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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by spas2k
The Mazda 6 can't hold a candle to either the Accord or TSX. The level of refinement in either car far outweighs the 6. I was very dissapointed after driving the 6. It just felt cheap and it was overly loud for a non sportscar. And the engine felt like every other mazda engine, about 20hp short of the advertised power.
The 6 is more of a drivers car, and feels far more sporty to drive than the Acura or Honda, at least around turns... The 6S is also considerably less expensive than the Accord V6, TSX, or TL.
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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dIkeWRX,

What is a Subaru owner doing here? Causing trouble? What a total jackass.
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by spas2k
The Mazda 6 can't hold a candle to either the Accord or TSX. The level of refinement in either car far outweighs the 6. I was very dissapointed after driving the 6. It just felt cheap and it was overly loud for a non sportscar. And the engine felt like every other mazda engine, about 20hp short of the advertised power.
The 6 doesn't hold a candle to the Accord or the Accord; it holds a flame-thrower and blows them both away. The 6 manages to haul families while looking far better and actually being fun to drive. That's two things you'll never hear uttered about either Accord, which are both cushy, boring, soft-hearted bland-mobiles, period.
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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 11:25 AM
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The mazda 6's V6 powertrain is seriously outmatched by honda's.
The Ford engine only makes 217 hp and 192 ft-lbs of torque (even with cam phasing that the honda V6 does NOT have). Coupled with the JATCO transmission (bad ratio distribution) means that the car is marginally faster than a 4 cylinder manual accord + worse mileage.
The manual shift V6 runs as fast at the automatic accord V6, at the expense of mileage and the fact you are doing the work. 19/28 vs 21/30
The 6 does have better braking performance (stock) but new tires and brake pads on the accord will bring it back in the game.
NVH and BSR sucks in the Mazda 6
The steering lacks communication in the 6, and so does the brakes.

Maybe with the new 3.5 V6 from ford and the 6 speed automatic the mazda 6 will vie for the top position. But here comes the hybrid V6 Accord (you didn't think that honda left all that empty space in front of the gas tank for nothing?)
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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 12:08 PM
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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by scorp76
The 6 doesn't hold a candle to the Accord or the Accord; it holds a flame-thrower and blows them both away. The 6 manages to haul families while looking far better and actually being fun to drive. That's two things you'll never hear uttered about either Accord, which are both cushy, boring, soft-hearted bland-mobiles, period.
I'm telling you, take the TSX for a spin. After a few seconds, you'll forget that it's a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder. Honda knows how to make good stuff.

Edmunds.com staff don't like anything that doesn't have serious kick-in-the-pants performance, and they were really enthusiastic about the TSX in their review.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 06:39 AM
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The mazda 6's V6 powertrain is seriously outmatched by honda's.
And? The Renesis is seriously outmatched by the VQ, big deal.
The Ford engine only makes 217 hp and 192 ft-lbs of torque (even with cam phasing that the honda V6 does NOT have). Coupled with the JATCO transmission (bad ratio distribution) means that the car is marginally faster than a 4 cylinder manual accord + worse mileage.
The manual shift V6 runs as fast at the automatic accord V6, at the expense of mileage and the fact you are doing the work. 19/28 vs 21/30
First off, it's not a Ford engine, it's a Ford block. And the 6 is no more about acceleration than the RX-8 is. Neither is the Accord for that matter. EPA ratings mean jack these days: I want to see someone get 24 mpg in an RX8, or even 30 mpg in an Accord.
The 6 does have better braking performance (stock) but new tires and brake pads on the accord will bring it back in the game.
The dorks that buy Accords aren't going to waste money trying to make it perform better. Even if they did, new tires and brakes on the 6 would KEEP it ahead of the game.
NVH and BSR sucks in the Mazda 6
And yet both is comparable to the Accord. The 6 has been measured quieter at idle and the same dBA on the highway by some mags, so I guess the Accord "sucks" too. And the 6 is close in backseat dimensions (with MORE headroom and hiproom), so again, a marginal advantage by the Accord in some measurements doesn't mean the 6 sucks.
The steering lacks communication in the 6, and so does the brakes.
Utter bullshit. Enough said.

Maybe with the new 3.5 V6 from ford and the 6 speed automatic the mazda 6 will vie for the top position.
It's already tops in performance and fun-to-drive, but I guess power-and HP-obsessed Americans will finally be pleased.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 06:41 AM
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I'm telling you, take the TSX for a spin. After a few seconds, you'll forget that it's a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder. Honda knows how to make good stuff.
Been there, done that. Most boring 15 minutes of my life.

No way I'd ever waste $27k on a slow, dressed-up Accord.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 07:27 AM
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Drive the 6 speed, it felt to me like it pulls a little harder than the RX-8...
Sorry Ike, your 'feelings' aren't working well. March 04 R&T comparo has Accord 6 sp at 6.3 sec 0-60 mph, Feb MT had Accord AT at 6.5 sec.

Maybe your were thinking of your WRX?
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Spin9k
Sorry Ike, your 'feelings' aren't working well. March 04 R&T comparo has Accord 6 sp at 6.3 sec 0-60 mph, Feb MT had Accord AT at 6.5 sec.

Maybe your were thinking of your WRX?
What're the best 0-60 mph achieved in the RX8 by anyone that posts here?
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Spin9k
Sorry Ike, your 'feelings' aren't working well. March 04 R&T comparo has Accord 6 sp at 6.3 sec 0-60 mph, Feb MT had Accord AT at 6.5 sec.

Maybe your were thinking of your WRX?
I'm talking about at highway speeds, or from a roll at even lower speeds for that matter. 0-60 it's going to be a drivers race with the Accord being more consitent but having torque steer, the RX-8 will have to have a hefty rev and clutch drop to attain those times. Those times are about what I've seen since the couple 5.9s 0-60 the pre production model did.

Familyguy, you're not going to find anyone with accurate 0-60 times, stick to 1/4 miles times.

Ike
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