dillsrotary

http://www.askmen.com/toys/cars_150/151_car_review.html

Seems like more of a personal rants then an actual automotive opinion. I can understand the pricing opinion on the BMW 3-series, and can see how the Porsche suv will enter the article, but having the Viper srt-10 on there is completely personal opinion based on the sales and the flare slowly leaving its name. As for the prius and the durango i could really care less about how they stack up, but i believe anyone of us would enjoy a range rover. You simple can't complain about its over 70K price, the average buyer for it doesn't.

therm8

I agree with #1 and #6. I also disagree with the Range Rover being on there. I hate SUVs, no I despise them. But the Range Rover is absolutely beautiful on the inside, looks good on the outside, and can actually perform off road. The Rover dealership in Jacksonville had their own offroad test drive course. A friend and I got a test run in one, and it performs well. Not many other SUVs can claim the same, particularly luxury ones. I'd feel much more comfortable taking the $70k RR offroading than a stinking H2. That's one that should've made the list.

DARKMAZ8

here's my list:

EVO 8+9
STI
SRT-4
Corvette z-06
All nissan cars + trucks
All Civics

unpocoloco

STI overrated?? How can you say that? It's just about the best performing car for the money that you can buy. It's ridiculously fast, rugged, handles well ... are you judging based on looks alone? Ike back me up here.

Hold on darkmaz, I just read your entire list. Now I think you're just kidding. The Z-06 overrated? hehe. The civic sti? I'd love to try one out, and would probably be very happy owning one. Heck, even the regular civics have their appeal. Interesting interior design, absurd resale value, good mileage, and I wouldn't feel guilty putting oodles of miles on it in a very short time. The SRT-4 isn't overrated, as it hardly gets any respect as it is. I've got a friend who has one and he gets ragged on all the time.

Please tell me you're joking!

DARKMAZ8

Haha me joke me joke

unpocoloco

hahah
you got me there for a moment. My mouth was open on that one (eddie murphy)

9291150

Actually, thats close to my list. Not a bad car among them, but overrated and overhyped IMO. I'd add;
-Most muscle cars, give me one that'll handle and I'll change my mind
-All modern Chrysler Hemis cars, again good cars, but overhyped as a "drivers cars"

Razz1

Actually the Honda Insight is the worst.

They claim 50 plus MPG best anyone can get is 40 to 42.

Japan8

Define how you measure this?

9291150

Muscle cars, anything pre 1971, any kind of handling test you want. I can't believe what they are going for.
And actually, anything with a live axle. Although the most recent Stang, having driven one, was surprisingly better.

Japan8

Yes and when modded with Ford Racing parts, it'll pull a .95 skidpad. It has also been winning many profressional races.

9291150

True, but you can mod nearly anything to pull .95g. Live axles are great for 4x4's or dragsters, otherwise they have no place in anything produced after 1980. To see them on the new GT500 is a joke...only in North America!

GulfCoast

I would agree that the Cayenne and Range Rover are overrated, the former because the concept of "Porsche SUV" just grates on me and the latter because they're very expensive for an ugly SUV (and I really dislike SUVs in general). I would round out my list with the Lexus ES300 (too much money for a gussied-up Camry), Mercedes C-Class (many, many problems for the money and marque), MINI (fun car, but weak unless you have the Cooper S), and any HUMMER (taking SUVs to an absurd extreme).

therm8

Did you know that many of those cars were originally designed for road racing (ala the Trans Am Series). If you look at 1960's tire technology you'll see poor handling. Tires mean more for handling than just about anything else.

Don't ever complain about wheel hop. Live axle, when done right, works just fine. And you can put serious power to the ground, effectively. The Mustang's handle pretty damn well stock. If it's not broken, don't try to fix it. Late model stock Fbodies pulled .9g regularly in skidpad #'s. And actually handle quite well if you know how to drive one properly. Spend a little in mods and they'll handle very well, with more power than most "great handling" cars, so its "seeyalater" on the road course.

nzarnow

Why the hell are you guys talking about pre 1980 muscle cars. This list is about current cars. Don't you realize that time has changed since 1980. The current muscle cars out today are pretty nice.

The corvette and z06, new mustang, and GTO all are great cars in my opinion.

Talk about current cars please, not old cars that hardly anyone owns anymore.

Japan8

nzarrow... we are... that's the problem. Some people are import car fanboys and can do nothing but insult the American auto industry. Nothing is ever good enough! The LS2 must suck... it's still a pushrod motor, this is 2006 so it had better have overhead cams. It doesn't matter if it's lighter and more compact than BMW's I-6 while putting out more power than even the e46 M3 with similar gas mileage.

DrDiaboloco

Re: The inclusion of the BMW 3-series....

Have you noticed that "worst of"-type lists done by magazine editors always, ALWAYS have at least one choice that doesn't make sense? Especially if they aren't specialist publications, or are music publications....

snizzle

Yeah, I think we need to get rid of the notion that "muscle" cars can't handle. Not to mention the fact that most of us drive on relatively straight roads 90% of the time anyway.

dillsrotary

i agree drdiablo, plus it being the first vehicle in the article seems to lead you to read the entire piece to see what else you don't agree with.

DrDiaboloco

Exactly. Just as a f'rinstance... VH1 did a list of the 50 "worst" songs ever. If you're a fan of relatively mainstream, non-rap pop music produced in the last 20 years, you'll find at least three or four songs on their list that will have you scratching your head going "uhhh, these are the WORST songs ever??"

Breakfast at Tiffany's is the SIXTH WORST song EVER? It's worse than Eddie Murphy's "Party All the Time"?

The BMW 3-series is the most overrated car there is?

I smell a bit of sensationalism.

Oh, here's the VH1 list, if you care. The list is similar, but slightly different from, the same list in the Too-Cool-For-The-Room music rag "Blender":

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/50_most...ountdown.jhtml

dillsrotary

ok, i clicked the link, here's what i don't agree with:
two princes - spin doctors (corny song but i loved it when i was little)
you remind me - r.kelly
mmm,mmm,mmm - crash test dummies (thats a great freakin song)

also i must admit it, "we build this city" was the first CD i ever bought, i was 12 i think.

DrDiaboloco

Well, I didn't say I disagreed with THAT one.

RX8-79

Too bad you joke, since except for the Z06 and civic, your list is just right. Instead of the z, Id put in the g35 coupe and sedan, and instead of the civic Id put all toyotas + lexus.