40 cent gas tax hike coming?
06-02-2009, 01:56 PM
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40 cent gas tax hike coming?
Political suicide for anyone who supports this. It's not the answer.
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06-02-2009, 02:21 PM
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I have no doubt that there will be a mileage tax at some point in the future. The real question is that when they do it, will they completely absolish the gas tax? I seriously doubt it. Until then they may resort to raising the gas tax. If they raise it 40 cents a gallon, there would literally be rioting on the streets. They'd probably calculate the maximum that they could get away with and still have nothing more than crying to deal with. Then in less than 4 years when this administration has gone the way of the dodo, it'll be up to the next group to figure out how to fix everything that is currently going wrong and getting worse everyday.
06-02-2009, 02:25 PM
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how about they just stop awarding Over-Priced construction contracts to Unionized builders with MASSIVE overhead who are the reason the fund is running out of money. 
06-02-2009, 02:40 PM
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If this were to happen you can kiss any little sliver of economic recovery goodbye. The only way I would ever accept this increase is if they cap the price of gasoline, which will never happen, or you have to stop the speculation that causes unnatural swings in oil prices not based on economic reality, like what is happening now. Or...like Jedi said you could actually give the contracts to the lowest bidder like they should be doing rather than to the people who bought them into office. If it must happen, it needs to happen gradually, like a few cents per year. You can't keep shocking the entire economy with these sudden changes. No good will come out of it. I can't even imagine what will happen to the economy if that cap and trade crap ever happens.
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06-02-2009, 03:13 PM
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....force GM and Chrysler to make the 50mpg tin can econoboxes he wants everyone to drive. Nevermind the fact that between the US and Canada there is probably 100 years worth of oil in the ground but thats a whole different story.
But i agree if the gov't insists in sticking its nose in everyones business, they should have started with oil companies rather than the auto industry. They could have found a way to keep gas prices down and just by doing that the american auto industry would be a lot better off than they are now. I think there is a lot more corruption in the oil business than there is at GM.
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06-02-2009, 03:42 PM
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There's no commodities trading of blood from blood banks, I don't see why gasoline should be different.
06-02-2009, 03:50 PM
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And just an FYI, the last time a barrel of oil was priced near $65 like it is now was in 2006 and the average price of a gallon of regular gas...$1.91...just in case you wanted to know how much you are getting gouged right now.
06-02-2009, 04:00 PM
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I agree with that 100%. Too bad common sense isn't in the governments vocabulary.
And just an FYI, the last time a barrel of oil was priced near $65 like it is now was in 2006 and the average price of a gallon of regular gas...$1.91...just in case you wanted to know how much you are getting gouged right now.
And just an FYI, the last time a barrel of oil was priced near $65 like it is now was in 2006 and the average price of a gallon of regular gas...$1.91...just in case you wanted to know how much you are getting gouged right now.
There is too much of a central control of blood to allow trading.
06-02-2009, 04:02 PM
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We as a nation are in the position we are because of our own greed and smugness. We complain that we don't make enough but then think that we are too good to do menial jobs. Seriously, ever think why major corps are going overseas? Maybe because overseas, they only care about the fact that they have a job. They do better work and do it for less. The American automaker is a prime example of what has happened in America. GM use to be the focal point of the auto industry, but after years of some sense of entitlement from their employees they have fallen from that perch. I have no remorse for union workers that find themselves out of jobs right now. I have worked along side some union workers in the past few months, and I am ashamed of what I have seen. The UAWA was given a chance to restructure their contract with GM and refused..... they can be seen as a partial reason why GM has failed.
Mods, I am sure you will delete this... but if it must go please be fair and remove the other "political" biased opinions as well
We as a nation are in the position we are because of our own greed and smugness. We complain that we don't make enough but then think that we are too good to do menial jobs. Seriously, ever think why major corps are going overseas? Maybe because overseas, they only care about the fact that they have a job. They do better work and do it for less. The American automaker is a prime example of what has happened in America. GM use to be the focal point of the auto industry, but after years of some sense of entitlement from their employees they have fallen from that perch. I have no remorse for union workers that find themselves out of jobs right now. I have worked along side some union workers in the past few months, and I am ashamed of what I have seen. The UAWA was given a chance to restructure their contract with GM and refused..... they can be seen as a partial reason why GM has failed.
Mods, I am sure you will delete this... but if it must go please be fair and remove the other "political" biased opinions as well
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06-02-2009, 04:06 PM
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bye bye thread...
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06-02-2009, 04:53 PM
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The real complaint is, GPS a big no no for tracking purposes, period. I'm sorry but I almost equate that to them putting a computer chip in my hand to use as an ID card. It's MY vehicle, find another way. GPS will not only show where and when you go somewhere in case they want to tag you for something, but also your average speed. Can you say state revenue via police? KASHING!
06-02-2009, 06:36 PM
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Don't buy in to that. Commodities traders were demonized to deflect the truth. They reflect the price of the product at that moment. And the news only post the spot price because it is the highest therefor the most sensational.
There is too much of a central control of blood to allow trading.
There is too much of a central control of blood to allow trading.
The price of gas at the pump is not determined by demand, it is not determined by supply, how much oil we have in reserve, or our refining capacity. It is determined by investment bankers dumping Billions of dollars that only exist if their other risky investments actually pay off; into an imaginary thing called "oil shares".
They are absolutely Demonic in nature and they deserve all the **** they get. Are they the only cause? no. Of course not. That doesn't mean they aren't key instruments in keeping expensive what would be dirt cheap if it wasn't managed by profiteering ********.
Maybe we need greater centralized control over the flow of oil.
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06-02-2009, 06:49 PM
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As expected. Just think, if we are all going to switch to fuel efficent vehicles that get 30 to 40 mpg either the gas tax is going to soar, or they are going to want to put gps in every car to track how many miles you drive to get their money. If I remember they were trying to do this in Washington state(or Oregon) just about 6 months ago. Reduced driving + cars getting up to 40 mpg means the government is still going to get their dime.
06-02-2009, 07:20 PM
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The price at the pump really doesn't seem to be tied to current oil supplies and production. But that does not mean there is some nefarious scheme to control the price. The price is a pretty straightforward result of what investors or speculators think supplies will be in the future. It is pretty easy to see:
Democrats gained congress in 2006 and opposed all North American drilling. Prices steadily rose until summer 2008 when gas reached over $4 gallon, enough Democrats crossed party lines that new offshore drilling was approved in congress and signed by Bush. Prices fell by half within a couple months. Obama came in and has used executive power to basically cancel any new drilling. Now prices rise as fast as ever.
Where is the mystery or conspiracy? I don't see it. Price is a direct result of the policy on how much oil is going to be available in the future. If politicians want to force us to use less oil - which is excatly what they tell us - then of course the price will go up. If you don't like it then don't vote for someone who wants to control how much oil you use.
Democrats gained congress in 2006 and opposed all North American drilling. Prices steadily rose until summer 2008 when gas reached over $4 gallon, enough Democrats crossed party lines that new offshore drilling was approved in congress and signed by Bush. Prices fell by half within a couple months. Obama came in and has used executive power to basically cancel any new drilling. Now prices rise as fast as ever.
Where is the mystery or conspiracy? I don't see it. Price is a direct result of the policy on how much oil is going to be available in the future. If politicians want to force us to use less oil - which is excatly what they tell us - then of course the price will go up. If you don't like it then don't vote for someone who wants to control how much oil you use.
06-03-2009, 11:50 AM
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It will not get to 5 a gal. Hell I doubt it will get to 4.5 or maybe got forbid 4 again. People will rebel if it does. Forcing people to change not their habits, but their cars alone by jacking the price that high in one season people will definitely rebel and it won't be pretty. Obama is not that stupid, at least I give him benefit of the doubt.
That being said, it IS summer, more cars on the road and they know what they can get away with. I expect it to drop again come fall and winter. Doubtfully as far as it fell last year, but it won't stick at the pump. If it does count on crime skyrocketing.
That being said, it IS summer, more cars on the road and they know what they can get away with. I expect it to drop again come fall and winter. Doubtfully as far as it fell last year, but it won't stick at the pump. If it does count on crime skyrocketing.
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06-03-2009, 12:43 PM
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gas prices always go up in the summer... and premium did rise into the 5's over here. you drive less and spend more time at home.
Honestly guys people are just trying to make money and make more of it, enough is never enough. Same with our cars we are always trying to do something to it to upgrade the looks or performance its never enough and when it is we buy a new car.
Nothing will change until big business is destroyed, the longer large corporations run the planet the worse things will get. Big business could give two ***** about the environment or paying people **** wages or destroying small business in communities. They just want to make the next dollar and they don't care who they run over in the process.
Honestly guys people are just trying to make money and make more of it, enough is never enough. Same with our cars we are always trying to do something to it to upgrade the looks or performance its never enough and when it is we buy a new car.
Nothing will change until big business is destroyed, the longer large corporations run the planet the worse things will get. Big business could give two ***** about the environment or paying people **** wages or destroying small business in communities. They just want to make the next dollar and they don't care who they run over in the process.