2004 S2000 on AutoWeek - Page 2

Oct 6, 2003 | 05:48 PM

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I think the car is improved overall, except perhaps certain track/lapping situations and personally I'll take that trade off. If I could afford it and a winter beater/4 door car for practical reasons, the S2K would be in my garage next spring.. Alas since I can only afford one car the 8 might have to be it.

Oct 6, 2003 | 06:14 PM

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Keshav

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You know, dropping the redline by 800 rpm only lost 300 rpm off the power band. Here's a quote from that article I linked to that explains why.

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To improve acceleration, the old adage "there's no replacement for displacement" was applied. Through the use of a longer stroke (increased to 90.7mm from 84mm), the motor's displacement was increased from 1997cc (2.0L) to 2157 cc (2.2L), resulting in basically a 500rpm shift of the horsepower curve (to the left, on the rpm scale), meaning the new motor basically makes the the same power as the older F20C, simply 500rpms sooner at basically every point on the curve. Compression has been bumped up a tenth of a point to 11.1 (from 11.0:1) and the valve timing has been altered to further enhance mid-range performance. On paper, the numbers translate to 240hp at 7800 rpm (vs 240hp@8300 rpm) and 162 lb-ft @ 6500 rpm (vs 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm).

Oct 6, 2003 | 10:57 PM

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Lee Chun

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everyone likes to argue hp/tq numbers to death. they never say all that much. i'll wait for the Best Motoring guys to have a comparison with the old/new s2000 and see what they have to say

Oct 7, 2003 | 05:53 AM

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Hanzo

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In BestMotoring they usually run at Tskuba and since it is somewhat of a small circuit the shorter first 4 gear ratio with more torque down low will be better suited for the new S2000.

I have no doubt the new S2000 will come ahead of the old one.

Oct 8, 2003 | 05:35 PM

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Well, IMO I think the old one will be up to par with the newer one. There's a reason why Japan and Europe kept the F20C motor. But in the looks department...I'm not too fond of it either. :o

Oct 8, 2003 | 06:18 PM

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blizz81

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Just reading the last few sentiments touched on in the article tells me that anyone worried about the soul of this car being softened needs to take a drive before they make any conclusions.

Oct 9, 2003 | 05:42 AM

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Hanzo

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Quote:

Originally posted by Totoro
Well, IMO I think the old one will be up to par with the newer one. There's a reason why Japan and Europe kept the F20C motor. But in the looks department...I'm not too fond of it either. :o

If I remembered correctly the Japanese is also getting the new engine.

Oct 9, 2003 | 05:27 PM

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No more 120 hp/L

No more 9000 rpm redline...

So they're actually making the RX-8 look even better!

Oct 10, 2003 | 03:45 PM

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Quick_lude

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Quote:

Originally posted by neit_jnf
No more 120 hp/L

No more 9000 rpm redline...

So they're actually making the RX-8 look even better!

If such numbers are THAT important to you.. Personally I don't much care if the engine has an 8K or 10K redline.. Ultimately it's the performance that matters to me, no matter what the redline or hp/L.. And right now the S2K is still a better pure sports car than the 8. As it should be though since each car has a different mission/target audience imo..

Oct 11, 2003 | 02:12 AM

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wakeech

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Quote:

Originally posted by neit_jnf
No more 120 hp/L

No more 9000 rpm redline...

actually, metrics like BMEP (brake mean effective pressure) and horsepower per kilo/pound/whatever of motor, and the old standard of peak horsepower are far better metrics by which to compare engines.