Tein Suspension (those can be adjusted with a controller)
 

I believe that some of the members here have those Tein Suspension that u can adjust the spring tension from within the car with an Electronic control.

May I know whats the model name of it?

Price?

Good?

Useful? or waste of money cos paying extra for the Electronic controller.??

Just found out its Tein Flex and EDFC.

Hope that any members who had install them can give me some feed backs

Thanks

I've been asking about this coilover...damn ex with the pillow ball mounts and EDFC, so cool, but wondering about the performance and if it will enable enhanced cornering by itself without the autoexe braces, sways and struts?

EDFC is surely expensive enuff to get you autoexe braces. Tein will give better handling in the corner, but Autoexe braces gives u less body flex. Combination of these two will give a killer effect!!! So why bother to get EDFC? Unless you think its cool. But after a while you'll regret...... :o

tein coilovers have always been the value for money suspension for many years......

the most common one for our make is the tein super street and the tein flex. EDFC allows u the control the damping height from the cabin..... for normal strret comfort drive, u can set to ur comfort setting.... for aggressive driving, u can give it a tighter setting...... why do pple say its a waste of money? I wld tink this is a very good feature where u can set it electronically rather than manually.........

suspension and braces complement each other, but they will work juz fine individually..... changing of coilovers reduces body roll, esp during cornering...... putting on braces reduces the flex of the car body..........

however, the change of coilovers will affect the comfort of ur ride......

edfc gv 1s the convenience of adj the dampin force of the coilover;particularly the rear set s its nt reachable w/o som strippin.tein is the pioneer @ tis,other makes like cusco & tanabe cam up wif their own 'edfc' for their coilovers 2.hence,demand is tere.
sgrenesis can gv a gd feedbk since he hv them in his ride.
a pt to note,coilover wks will gv a harsher ride(softest settins) then our oems.so,if u had a habit of dashin thro humps,aft tis upgrade,gotta chg drivin style abit. sgrenesis gt his 'xperience' on tis,u'l nt like it...

My 1st time down to ST powered yesterday wanted to find out more about the suspension.
After standing 50cm infront of the Boss (older one) for 15mins , try to get some responds from him , but no luck, no "HI" non please wait or anything.

Till I said excuss me 15mins later . then he said "Yes"
Wanted to find out the Tein suspension that allow u to raise the height (5cm) of the car by using a controller in the car, but he told me its only for MPVs.

Try to find out more about Flex, be he just bush me off stating its very expensive as He thinks that I can't afford it or I would not buy it from him.

So sad (for him) why is it when business is big the attitude towards customer will changed? I guess he would be more customer friendly if he is in need of business.

A friend just told me the EDFC is $600-700

Anyone knows the price of the Tein Flex?

sgrenensis bout 2.3k 4 the flex...som correction here bro,the height adj coilovers(called the type wagon) r air operated & r onli 4 MPVs.type flex;street or occasional track usage,is both dampin & ht adj...juz tat the ht adjment require hoist & nt press of a button like type wagon.

Dont't quite understand. so just to confirm

So the Type Wagon can be height adjusted (90 to 140 mm) using a controller.

The Flex is only spring tension adjusted (no height adjustment) using a different controller.

Right???

ok...let mi go simple...pai seh huh...
most tein made coilovers r both ht & dampin force adj.type wagon r able to adj ride ht by the press of button.whereas,type flex,wich is a so-called 'performance' coilovers adj the dampin force,nt spring tension, thro the edfc.the ride ht will need to unload the 4 wheels & adj the springs seat thro a special bolt tat coms wif the set.

got it?

kuay chim liao lah, bro......... i help u summarise

Morgan,

edfc = only adjust the damping force, not the springs tension. (this one oso bro cusco teach me one) :D

to adjust springs tension, u need to remove ur 4 wheels, use the tool provided for u to adjust manually. edfc merely let u adjust the damping niah.

type wagon can do the adjusting by juz a push of the button.... this feature cannot be found on the type flex and super street series.... only the wagon series.........

alternatively u can get the type CS, which i wanted initially..... this comes originally with the pillow mount and shld be more comfy for street use. Was rated rather high on the blue colour rx8 magazine........

flex and super street shld actually suffice though...

FYI, st powered and garage r are the authorised distributor for TEIN in spore... if ST powered cun give u the service u wan, u can try garage R....

just to add that you can also try gary engineering for tein susp.

My next poison....

looking at wat brand????

or go for the full RE stuff ai mai??? :D :D

Thats S$7000 over for the RE suspension. :eek:

bo lah... not so kua zhang lah..... aragosta oso not so ex leh....
:)

But they state Yen 464100 = S$ $7192

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/new_part...rx_8_quan.html

If not how much ?

Hi, i using Flex. Got it cheaper than 2.3K definitely. From ST also. C how close u know him and how u bargain lor...:):)

EDFC - its good IMO. Just take note if u want it install 2gether with coilovers cuz to install after - u need to literally take out the whole coilover just to install the motorised controller on top and they charge a couple for dat service....

Cheers

My colleague uses the EDFC/FLEX on his CL7R. Its a good combo but most users seem to experience sound so please bear that in mind. The older guy at ST is SAM. He's like that usually. U can try GR. The whole setup shld cost maybe $2.6-$2.7k. The advantage is u can play the damping for everyday use and when ua re on track. If not, there are other coilovers like the Hypermax II to consider.

Cheers

Is the Hyermax 2 adjustable from with in the car using a Controller.

Apart from Tein Flex is there any other brand that has the same function?
(hopefully around the same price)

Thanks

One more question.

Spring Rate

Does it mean that the higher the spring rate the better the Spring it is?

No, only Tein has the EDFC and certain Tein coilover can use with the EDFC. Other brand dont have this. The question is do u adjust it that much ? If u can do without the EDFC, there are other, much better choices than Tein (Aragosta for example around $3.6k). If u die die must have 'internal' control, the EDFC is the only choice.

bro correction....

Cusco has come out with its version of EDFC... Tanabe has oso come out with their version as welll........

HKS Hipermax2 does not have the EDFC lookalike, as with most suspension. U seriously dun tweak with it as much... most likely u will use one setting all the way driving ard singapore.....

that is the big problem with flex and super street..... they dun have the pillow mount and that causes the sound........ type CS has the pillow mount, but the price is higher.....

now,to promote hks abit....althou 1 cant 'twist' the settin thro press-of-a-button in the case of hipermax,but the design 4 the rear allows 1 to adj the settins w/o the need to strip anytin.tere's a cable xtended out to the boot space whereby u can play wif the 'twist',juz tat u need to walk out of ur 'cockpit' whenever u wan the chg.

Who is the dealer for Cusco and Tanabe Suspension in Singapore?

it depends on usage. generally the harder the springs the lesser the roll. for track, generally tarmac assumed to be flat hence hard springs are suitable. for street use, however, hard springs may not be appropriate as road is uneven. while roll is reduced, the car will jerk frequently due to the not so even roads, thus causing loss of tire contact (ie traction) and more importantly, passengers and driver can puke under those conditions...

it's a balance. if i were to choose, i will go for the slightly softer springs (but of cos it must be harder than stock) among the available range of coilovers, so as to strike a good balance between comfort and minimising roll.

I think Jeep Chee is the dealer for Tanabe in Singapore. Correct me if I'm wrong....

Stamford tyres too... i think

cuscorex....how's the ride with the hipermax? Have you found a setting that nicely minimizes body roll during cornering, but not too harsh on straights...the so called perfect balance?

yo gene...hmm,generally,hipermax is still a street suspension;spring rate of 8f/5R(kg),slightly harder then flex.due to the ride ht tat im hvin,i gotta set it @ bout 3/4 2wards the stiffest.if nt,the rear wil rub the mud-gaurd passin thro humps or wif loads.mi settins is bias 2 handlin & looks, nt comfort. :)

YEH . Tanabe has a Electric Active Suspension controller . TEAS

http://www.carnews.com.tw/option/opt...le_No=00002479

And best of all is that the time to change 1 setting is only 0.013 Seconds, total of 16 seconds.

I guess Tein is much slower right??

But anyone can advice me hows the Tanabe suspension? IS it good?

add on to bro morgon quote,TEAS is able to adj the dampin force accordin to the speed of the vehicle automatically;presetted by the user.suppose its 1st in the mkt so far.
interesin....

Hopefully its not too expensive. BEST if the price is around the price of tein ..

Keeping my finger cross :D

Just got a Quote from JeepChee, The price is $4500...:( :(

I though can get around $3900, then I will go for it immediately.

Haha... You guys still talking about it ?
Morgan, May be you should think about just driving a honda instead. Haha... But anyways i will give you a little low down on this here shit.

From what i can gather you are more interesting in a Height Adjustable Coilovers rather than Damping Adjustable Coilover .



Height Adjustable Coilovers
3 Types
Air bag type-
It uses a compressor and a airtank to adjust ride height by limiting the amount of air going to the "Bag" . The "Bag" takes the place of the coilsprings, usually made out of plastic and can take some abuse.
Air strut type-
Basicly the same as the Air bag type but the main difference is that "bag" is replace with a metal cylinder that holds the air .
Hydraulic Type-
No bag , not even a strut is left . Every thing is controlled throught hydraulic actuctors .Note very expensive and very heavy
All of these systems are for adjusting ride height for that slammed look. All of these systems are heavy. Take up boot space cause you need a compressor and a air-tank. And would require special installation and servicing as not local shop does this sort thing well.

Than you have your Damping Adjusting Coilover
Manual Adjustable-
Not too bad. Been around for a long time. Adjusting damping rates are usual done by a knob on the top of the strut. You would see why it would be a pain to adjust the coilovers in the back now huh ... Unless you have a Coilover with a remote reservoir/adjustor , than you might be about to place it in a more reachable place.
Electronic Adjustable-
It make use of small actuators on the top of the strut in place of the knob for adjustments. Controlled by a mirco-processor, it adjusts the damping with of each strut independent of each other while displaying the damping rate.
The EDFC or whatever you wanna call it, is not a real need. It just a new toy that you will use for a while after which you will stay at one setting. So you are actually paying just to play with it for awhile. Yes, you might say you can tune it and get the exact damping rate when you track the car. But with it being so expensive and with other options like just marking out the adjustable setting . It leaves you wondering why get one in the first place.


add-on
Spring rates
Spring rates is the amount of pressure need for the srping to compress. Choosing the right spring rate is very important . It will affect your handling and ride comfort. To hard a spring rate you might from yourself have too much oversteer with ride comfort with the likes of racing a camel. Too soft a spring rate you you will find understeer as the body of the car might roll a bit too much but it won't break your back if you got over bump or a pothole. Most aftermarket suspesions have similar spring rates and depending on what kinda ride you want. So you can get a Flex but don't be suprise if the same car goes faster than you around a track. But you would be the one laugh on the ride home from malaysia after the track day.


There are lot of other things related to this subject. I have only touched on a few things. Some Engineerings spend their whole careers dedicated to just this topic alone.

ps; As with all things , take my posting with a pinch of salt .

Oh and also ... auto.hotstuffworks.com
that website is your friend ..haha... :D

Why did u said that, cos I do not want to spend Money$$ on the expensive suspension?

Very sad ,,:( , that u make such remarks. Just because that I'm trying to save $$$

According to Jeep Chee .

The Tanabe Active Suspension system only works with the new Tanabe Pro Seven .
Can't be used on the rest of the Tanabe suspension.
and they are currently only 5 car models that can use this.

Evo, DC5, STI, Lexus, Rx8.

They consider this to be too expensive for the Spore Market, so they will be bringing them in and keep stock.
They will only bring it if an order is make and waiting time is 1-1.5 mths.

If that is the case , There is a malaysian company doing their own suspension . They only have ride height adjustment . The brand is called TiTan. Heard not bad things about it ....

http://www.titansuspension.com/

And , dude If you wanna do some thing , do it right the first time. We all like to cheap, but it not good to be that way all the time. There are not ghetto mods for suspensions ..haha..

I dont understand what u meant..??

Please advice me what is it u are trying to said.

Thanks

OF cos everyone love cheap and good stuffs.

Some / or most of the people in this world can afford to buy very expensive things , its just that they do want to.
There are people who can spend $300K on a Car but do not want to spend $1000 on a Watch.
Same goes for people would are willing to pay $50K for a Watch but do not wish to drive a car.
(same goes for u, would do not wish to pay 1.50 for bottled water and 2 bucks for a canned drink)

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And this is what u said in thread

Thread: EVO 9 show in SG

"There was a drink stall there in side on the left near the hanger...but at 1.50 for bottled water and 2 bucks for a canned drink ... i think they can go fuck'emselves ...
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$3900 budget??
bro... with this budget u can get many good suspension.... u may want to try roger's aragosta suspension...... one of the best names around for suspension....

Have i been too stressed lately that my eyes are playin tricks on me.

OR maybe its the latest trend now to type gibberish.

WOW I have been gone a long time... :D

It has been suggested in the usuage and cars.

I believe SG has very smooth roads. But if you have slightly indulated roads, beware!
The harder spring will actually give too much bounce and create some unstability in high speed.

I am sure some of you play games and try to play GT4 and get a sport car with wide spring rate adjustment. If you go over 14kg in the Nurburgring, your car probably bounce and will not keep on the road along that long straight at the end.
The compensation is get more down force - but that comes rare for a simple sport car like the RX-8.

The Japanese have stated the RX-8 will go well on the road anything less than 10kg for the front. Rear is around 4-6kg for most shocks.

Aragosta and Quantum suspension is TOO hard for road, they are design for track adn track only.

Flex, Hypermax, R Magic's Ohlin's, Fujita's HKS made FM801 are for part time street and part time circuit. Seriously, some of you might have brought a Jap mag talking about suspension on the circuit サーキット or on the street ストリート.

Treat them seriously.

My concern is having too much consideration to the spring rate by itself. A softer spring rate in same damper may be better than a harder one. I am trying to research some at present and I see how I go with that for a person who mainly drive highway and track his car 4x/year.

knight sports aragosta is in the middle of the graph, meaning ideal for all purposes, as with cusco zero-2.....

for the downforce to take effect wouldnt you have to be at a considerable speed.

I played GT4 plenty of times and have to say that nurburgring is a interesting track to test out some of those points that you stated. Another track i would point out would be circuit de la sarthe.

Roads here aint what they used to be in the old days.
If they dig a hole to do road works and patch it up later on, they will just fill it up till it looks like a little lump so it will not be leveled with the existing road.

yes it is like the old days in here down under :o. have you been here?