Sway Bars for our cars
Anyone interested in Sway Bars for our cars?
Its an australia products and its almost 1/2 price of what the US And Japan companies are offering. Sway bar thread Whiteline sway bars By the way can any one please advice me on what is the use of the Sway bars, is it like anti roll bars? :confused: :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by morganoh
Anyone interested in Sway Bars for our cars?
Its an australia products and its almost 1/2 price of what the US And Japan companies are offering. By the way can any one please advice me on what is the use of the Sway bars, is it like anti roll bars? :confused: :rolleyes: One of the negative aspect of the 8's handling is that it has too much bodyroll (too pampered by my previous car which was the Miata). I've the RacingBeat sways, they does a great job of minimizing the sway/roll! A very worthy mod I must say! I think if were to top it off with the Autoexe underchassis braces, the 8 would drive like a dream!! |
Originally Posted by M-ster
One of the negative aspect of the 8's handling is that it has too much bodyroll (too pampered by my previous car which was the Miata). I've the RacingBeat sways, they does a great job of minimizing the sway/roll! A very worthy mod I must say! I think if were to top it off with the Autoexe underchassis braces, the 8 would drive like a dream!!
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Originally Posted by morganoh
so I guess its a must for us?
Ask yourself before doing any mod, especially performance related. Do you really needs it or benefit from it.
Originally Posted by morganoh
So should I get adjustable or non-adjustable ones?
Does it means that I need to adjust the sway bar according to the stiffness of the Suspension that I had? The adjustable sways are not easy to adjust. Unless you track alot, dont think you gonna be benefiting much from the adjustable ones. As for if it compliments different suspension set-up, that I'm not sure. Do a search on whiteline in the Australia forum, there was a thread much earlier discussing on whitline sways. |
Originally Posted by M-ster
Well,its not a must. It all depend on individuals. One coming from a typical family sedan driver, would probably find the 8's handling to be superb! As compare to one coming from a roadster owner eg Elise. Their concept of handling would be different.
Ask yourself before doing any mod, especially performance related. Do you really needs it or benefit from it. This taken from your other thread. The adjustable sways are not easy to adjust. Unless you track alot, dont think you gonna be benefiting much from the adjustable ones. As for if it compliments different suspension set-up, that I'm not sure. Do a search on whiteline in the Australia forum, there was a thread much earlier discussing on whitline sways. Would the effect of this Sway bar be the same as the Autoexe Undercarriage Bace? Or both are a total different things.? Actually I do not race, just wanted to turn around a bend at higher speed with out braking. Ivan just help me to buy a Rear Floor cross bar from RE. so looking for something for the bottem of the car. If money is the main concern, Is the Sway Bar a better choice or the Autoexe ? Cos it will be too much for me to install both of them. Thanks |
if money is tight and you have to choose :mad: go for the Autoexe underchassis braces :D you won't regret it.
i can give you a ride to prove my point and a little advertising on behalf coupe07 for recommending this excellent piece of mod. :cool: |
I agree with jetblast... our 8s already have stock sway bars so you won't benefit that much from aftermarket ones, at least not as much as the undercarriage brace from Autoexe.
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Originally Posted by sqflyer
our 8s already have stock sway bars so you won't benefit that much from aftermarket ones
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Originally Posted by sqflyer
I agree with jetblast... our 8s already have stock sway bars so you won't benefit that much from aftermarket ones, at least not as much as the undercarriage brace from Autoexe.
I have MazdaSpeed strut and sway bar. Yes we have strut and sway already, but it is nowhere near good and the lean is too much for comfort. When I took the stock sway out and I bent them slightly with my arm. Everyone I know who had a sway bar loves them, and I am sure you do too. Accordng to your theory, then you should jack your car up... you DO have a undercarriage brace ... in fact 2! ;) although it is just a small one. |
Hi Guys,
Braces and sways are 2 completely different things. Braces strengthen the car body to reduce body flex. It is passive. The effect is not noticeable in everyday driving, only when driving and turning hard. Handling benefits when the body is braced so all the steering inputs and suspension reactions are "true" wrt the body. When body is flexing the handling wll become "lose". Sways (or anti-roll bars or stabilizers) are active. It's a U tube connecting the 2 wheels of the same axle. When taking a corner and the car rolls, it acts to flatten the attitude of the car. The effect is clearly noticeable. Our 8 is equipped with stock sways front and back and stock front top brace. If you change the stock brace (I did) and/or add bottom and rear braces the effect will be noticeable in hard driving especiallly the sharpening in handling. Car would generally feel more solid and confident inspiring. Maybe even quieter. If you change the sways to a much larger calibre than the stock the effect will be noticeable anytime you make a turn. Believe me it will feel like the car is on tracks. This kind of effect can be achieved with changing to stiffer coilovers but sways adds another dimension. The ideal is change both and in a balanced fashion to achieve your objectives. -Ringer- |
Thanks Takahashi san for spotting the stock bottom braces.
-Ringer- |
Good posts here you guys....sways and braces are next on my shopping list :cool:
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Originally Posted by Ringer
Hi Guys,
Braces and sways are 2 completely different things. Braces strengthen the car body to reduce body flex. It is passive. The effect is not noticeable in everyday driving, only when driving and turning hard. Sways (or anti-roll bars or stabilizers) are active. It's a U tube connecting the 2 wheels of the same axle. When taking a corner and the car rolls, it acts to flatten the attitude of the car. The effect is clearly noticeable. -Ringer- So can I conclude that the Brace will only be useful if I drive "hard" and FAST. Racing Fast And the Sway bar will be more for everyday driving? Everyday Fast??/ If yes, guess I will get the Sway bar instead.. |
Originally Posted by Ringer
Hi Guys,
Our 8 is equipped with stock sways front and back and stock front top brace. If you change the stock brace (I did) and/or add bottom and rear braces the effect will be noticeable in hard driving especiallly the sharpening in handling. Car would generally feel more solid and confident inspiring. Maybe even quieter. -Ringer- Is there any other brand in the Market that are offering a replace brace for our stocks one? Hi Ringer, is your brace not Autoexe brand? Can u advice me on what brace have u added and where can I get them? Thanks |
Anyone tried aftermarket sway bars vs undercarriage brace to be able to give us a better insight? I'm not suggesting that stiffer sway bars are not noticeable, but rather that undercarriage brace helps handling more than aftermarket sway bars since we already have stock sway bars. Anyone with 1st hand experience, pls share with us.
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Originally Posted by morganoh
Apart from the Autoexe Brace.
Is there any other brand in the Market that are offering a replace brace for our stocks one? Hi Ringer, is your brace not Autoexe brand? Can u advice me on what brace have u added and where can I get them? Thanks Think there's a little confusion. The braces I mentioned (as well as what Jet and Sq) are the Autoexe UNDER CHASSIS braces. Its a 12pt, 4 pcs braces. Not many options in the market. And wat Ringer refered to are the front and rear Tower strut. the 8 originally comes with front tower strut (found in the engine bay, sitting on the 2 shock mounting pts). Most aftermarket offers either stiffer 2pt front tower strut or 4 pts strut, and you'd have the option to get the rear strut as well. the 8 doesn't come with rear strut (goes into the boot). Alot of choice in this case. I would suggest you pay www.japanparts.com a visit. they have quite an extentsive range of MS and Autoexe stuffs. You would get a better idea wat goes where.... |
Originally Posted by morganoh
Ivan just help me to buy a Rear Floor cross bar from RE. so looking for something for the bottem of the car.
If money is the main concern, Is the Sway Bar a better choice or the Autoexe ? Cos it will be too much for me to install both of them. Thanks if money is a concern, tink undercarriage brace is far more value for money than sway bars.... our car stock oredi has sway bars..... no doubt stock oso has undercarriage, but its no where near the autoexe ones... |
Originally Posted by morganoh
Apart from the Autoexe Brace.
Is there any other brand in the Market that are offering a replace brace for our stocks one? Hi Ringer, is your brace not Autoexe brand? Can u advice me on what brace have u added and where can I get them? Thanks |
Originally Posted by jetblast
if money is tight and you have to choose :mad: go for the Autoexe underchassis braces :D you won't regret it.
i can give you a ride to prove my point and a little advertising on behalf coupe07 for recommending this excellent piece of mod. :cool: |
Originally Posted by Genesis
Good posts here you guys....sways and braces are next on my shopping list :cool:
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Originally Posted by M-ster
Think there's a little confusion.
The braces I mentioned (as well as what Jet and Sq) are the Autoexe UNDER CHASSIS braces. Its a 12pt, 4 pcs braces. Not many options in the market. And wat Ringer refered to are the front and rear Tower strut. the 8 originally comes with front tower strut (found in the engine bay, sitting on the 2 shock mounting pts). Most aftermarket offers either stiffer 2pt front tower strut or 4 pts strut, and you'd have the option to get the rear strut as well. the 8 doesn't come with rear strut (goes into the boot). Alot of choice in this case. I would suggest you pay www.japanparts.com a visit. they have quite an extentsive range of MS and Autoexe stuffs. You would get a better idea wat goes where.... |
Looks like there's still some confusion. At the next meeting I'll explain graphically how sways work. Actually I don't like the term sway- don't want to be sway lah! I prefer the term stabilizer.
Strut tower bars are braces. Braces are pieces of metal to re-inforce or stiffen the bodywork. In a sports car you can have bracing over the front and rear strut towers as well as under the body between the wheels of each axle - objective is to keep the wheel/suspension mounting static wrt the body. I have only changed the front strut tower brace to Carbing (with brake stopper). I am thinking of next project to change the stabilizers to Whiteline solid swaybars. I always felt the RX8 stock, rolls too much for a sports car, almost as much as a saloon car, kinda conduct unbecoming. I heard/read that MS makes only a marginal difference. Autoexe a bit more noticeably flat. RBs are very flat and Whilteline solids flattest of all. It's all to do with the calibre and quality and quantity of the material used in the U tube. I'll go for Whilteline. I am sure there is a downside. Weight is one. Ride quality likely adversely affected?? No one seems to be able to enlighten me on the effect on ride quality. Anyone? Another question is effect on unsprung weight. Does it add to the unsrung weight? Help, anyone? -Ringer- |
Originally Posted by coupe07
bro, bumper? text u tmr! :)
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Originally Posted by Ringer
I am thinking of next project to change the stabilizers to Whiteline solid swaybars. I always felt the RX8 stock, rolls too much for a sports car, almost as much as a saloon car, kinda conduct unbecoming. I heard/read that MS makes only a marginal difference. Autoexe a bit more noticeably flat. RBs are very flat and Whilteline solids flattest of all. It's all to do with the calibre and quality and quantity of the material used in the U tube. I'll go for Whilteline.
I am sure there is a downside. Weight is one. Ride quality likely adversely affected?? No one seems to be able to enlighten me on the effect on ride quality. Anyone? Another question is effect on unsprung weight. Does it add to the unsrung weight? Help, anyone? -Ringer- Most bars in the market i believe they are heavier than the OEM ones since they are made thicker, I guess if you ain't tracking with your 8, dont think the little extra weight is gonna affect much. And what do you exactly meant affecting the 'ride quality'? As in you dont want the ride to be more harsh? |
The ride quality is ok. Although you will feel the road more from the shock. Most feel like the body is becoming one. It is not necessary a harisher ride.
Good quality strut bars are the same as the stock one. MazdaSpeed is only 2-3kg over the stock. The Autoexe underbrace is 11kg cf stock which is less than 500g. but it is so low under the gravity point so it won't affect handling. Slower acceleration :rolleyes:... I will loose 10kg for that brace :p |
Originally Posted by Genesis
Good posts here you guys....sways and braces are next on my shopping list :cool:
I will be making a trip to Brisbane, and will be buying a set of the sway bars. Anyone one interested can catch a free ride. no shipping charges. but must pay for the GST in Spore. but not too many sets cos it will be too heavy for me. If interested please contact me 90707074 Thanks Morgan OH |
Originally Posted by morganoh
ATTENTION Genesis and Ringer. or any members would are interested in the Whiteline Sway bars.
I will be making a trip to Brisbane, and will be buying a set of the sway bars. Anyone one interested can catch a free ride. no shipping charges. but must pay for the GST in Spore. but not too many sets cos it will be too heavy for me. If interested please contact me 90707074 Thanks Morgan OH |
Originally Posted by Genesis
Morgan...many thanks bro for picking up those sway bars for us! Hats off to you on that one :)
2 Taken, but 1 left. anyone interested? Cos initially I only ordered 2 but I end up ordering more and more after members showing their interests one by one . so I ordered 1 more after afew more days and another 1 more and 1 more. Till the australia guy got confuse and order 6 sets for me , which ends up 1 more extra sets. So if any guys who are interested please call me or pm me, I will be back in Spore from 24 aug night till 26 aug. and will be back again on 2 Sept night. |
Just interested... what does the sway bar comes with?
Does it have their own brushings? :) |
Originally Posted by takahashi
Just interested... what does the sway bar comes with?
Does it have their own brushings? :) |
can anyone tell me where I can get the whiteline swaybar in singapore? and how much does it cost? Also the autoexe brace as in how much does it cost? thanks in advance......
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Originally Posted by CURRENT9
can anyone tell me where I can get the whiteline swaybar in singapore? and how much does it cost? Also the autoexe brace as in how much does it cost? thanks in advance......
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Thank you very much Genesis.
Morganoh, Can you let me know how do I get my hands on the whiteline sway bar ? Thanks in advance.... |
Guys wif whiteline installed. Go 4 ur inspection/ tightening after 100K.
Went straight to track after installation. Luut till cow comes home.... While leaving Sepang, funny sound came from front n back while gg over humps n uneven road. A pretty worrying "slow" drive back to sin. Had it tightened, alls well now.... Apperantly, Jetblast had the same problem....... (Luuuut n Driiift too much!!) :D |
Just a small note... when Orr-Beh said 100K, he meant 100 kilometers and not 100,000 kilometers. Have you guys installed the extra clamps on your whiteline swaybars? They're good and once installed, no more slipping/moving. Inspected twice liao, no problems.
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Originally Posted by sqflyer
Just a small note... when Orr-Beh said 100K, he meant 100 kilometers and not 100,000 kilometers. Have you guys installed the extra clamps on your whiteline swaybars? They're good and once installed, no more slipping/moving. Inspected twice liao, no problems.
Yes, installed the clamps about 1000 km's after install of the sways....my rears had moved by an inch (fronts were totally fine). I thought the rear endlinks were bent as a result, but they're ok. If you get whiteline sways, def want to clamp 'em down near the bushings as flyer says...a necessity for these sways really. I'm also considering getting solid (and front adjustable) endlinks because the stock links are a bit soft. |
Originally Posted by sqflyer
Just a small note... when Orr-Beh said 100K, he meant 100 kilometers and not 100,000 kilometers. .
Pai Seh, Pei Seh... Hopefully, din konfuse too many ppl.. :o |
Originally Posted by CURRENT9
can anyone tell me where I can get the whiteline swaybar in singapore? and how much does it cost? Also the autoexe brace as in how much does it cost? thanks in advance......
The Actually price of the Swaybars is AU$380 = S$487 Shipping with in Australia is AU$30 = S$39 Singapore GST is S$24.4 Total price is S$560 ----------------------------------------------- If u order it directly from Australia it will cost u S$250++ in Shipping. https://www.whiteline.com.au/store/freightinter.htm |
Originally Posted by CURRENT9
Morganoh,
Can you let me know how do I get my hands on the whiteline sway bar ? Thanks in advance.... Got another Trip coming. so another 7 sets is coming in on the 14th NOV. Mostly taken up in advance 1-2 mths ago. Left only 1 SET remaining. if anyone interested please sms 90707074 or pm me. cos always not around in Spore. Thanks |
hi
morgan,
counted me in ? |
Originally Posted by canman42
morgan,
counted me in ? So theres still one more set LEFT |
Originally Posted by morganoh
One of the seven sets belong to u.
So theres still one more set LEFT If not, I would like 2 hv it, but any1 hv a pic? |
Originally Posted by Yellow Cab
I'm so temped and poison by all the +ve commends. Just a little confuse, I hv installed a "sturt bar" from Cusco with brack stopper, are these the same things as "sway bars"? :confused:
If not, I would like 2 hv it, but any1 hv a pic? Theres nothing much to see for the swaybars cos they look actually like the original ones but its just made of tougher material whiteline are solid rod original are tubes. They are very good. one way of reducing car body roll during high speed corner is to change Suspension. another is change the sway bars Changing of Suspension is expensive $1.7 to 2-3K and our original 6MT suspension is consider as very good. so just change the Swaybars and u will feel the immediately differences. I stay in Bishan and will be in Singapore till sun after. and back in Spore in Tue afternoon. if u are interested do drop by my place and I will show u. Morgan OH |
Originally Posted by Yellow Cab
I'm so temped and poison by all the +ve commends. Just a little confuse, I hv installed a "sturt bar" from Cusco with brack stopper, are these the same things as "sway bars"? :confused:
If not, I would like 2 hv it, but any1 hv a pic? -Ringer- |
Originally Posted by morganoh
Just visit www.whiteline.com.au
Theres nothing much to see for the swaybars cos they look actually like the original ones but its just made of tougher material whiteline are solid rod original are tubes. They are very good. one way of reducing car body roll during high speed corner is to change Suspension. another is change the sway bars Changing of Suspension is expensive $1.7 to 2-3K and our original 6MT suspension is consider as very good. so just change the Swaybars and u will feel the immediately differences. I stay in Bishan and will be in Singapore till sun after. and back in Spore in Tue afternoon. if u are interested do drop by my place and I will show u. Morgan OH |
Originally Posted by Yellow Cab
Thks for the offer, will PM u my contact.
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Hi, All. Understand there is another thread talk about mod that affect warranty. How about this Sway Bar mod? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Yellow Cab
Hi, All. Understand there is another thread talk about mod that affect warranty. How about this Sway Bar mod? :confused:
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One set of Whiteline Sway bar(F +R) available, SG$560, pls PM Morgan or SMS 90707074
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That's really tempting...especially since Christmas is coming! hehehe! :p:
For those of you who bought this recently, any feedback/comments/regrets? |
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