Any lobangs for RB or Borla exhaust?
03-29-2006, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Emperor
Looking for RB's or Borla exhaust? Any one got good lobang?
some of the lao jiao mx5 drivers up north have a wide network of contacts for these stuff. just FYI, correct me if i'm wrong, certain Racing Beat parts are LTA approved if you have the specs and send it in for approval. Borla stuff are def not legal, unless you can prove to the utmost in regards to relating specs.
ask around, you might find a few contacts for imports on these two brands. IMHO, i would go for Racing Beat, because they have been consistently manufacturing various parts for Mazda vehicles for a long, long time.
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03-29-2006, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by watoke
Bro, why not consider FUJITSUBO Legalis-R? @ least they are approved? 
THe only difference u wil feel is the sound difference.
Racing beat is not too bad a choice, considering their expertise in mazda makes. However freight from US is a huge cost. Borla is another fantastic choice and is renowned. But y all the US brands?
rx8 being a japanese car, i feel shld go for japanese made exhaust as i always feel that no one else noes japanese cars more than the japanese themselves.
ultimately, ur choice. my 2 cents
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03-29-2006, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by coupe07
After consulting the manufacturer of fuijitsubo n knight sports, it is confirmed that the fujitsubo legalis R has NO IMPACT or EFFECT on the 4AT or 5MT. The setup is meant only for the 6MT.
THe only difference u wil feel is the sound difference.
Racing beat is not too bad a choice, considering their expertise in mazda makes. However freight from US is a huge cost. Borla is another fantastic choice and is renowned. But y all the US brands?
rx8 being a japanese car, i feel shld go for japanese made exhaust as i always feel that no one else noes japanese cars more than the japanese themselves.
ultimately, ur choice. my 2 cents
THe only difference u wil feel is the sound difference.
Racing beat is not too bad a choice, considering their expertise in mazda makes. However freight from US is a huge cost. Borla is another fantastic choice and is renowned. But y all the US brands?
rx8 being a japanese car, i feel shld go for japanese made exhaust as i always feel that no one else noes japanese cars more than the japanese themselves.
ultimately, ur choice. my 2 cents
bro, to answer this i guess you just have to know that one of Racing Beat's founders IS a japanese and his expertise comes back from nippon a long time ago. Racing Beat was founded by Takayuki Oku & Jim Mederer, and a simple look at the company's flag cars and achievements will blow you away: mostly RX7s and Protoges, then Miatas and now the company is gearing for the RX8s.
so quality wise, you will not go wrong with RB, not simply because they're an american based company, but you have to know their roots to vouch for their products. you ask any mazda owners (perhaps apart from the recent RX8 community) and Racing Beat would be a topic within discussions abt their rides.
now if they can turn some of those RX7s into works of wonders, why not the new Renesis models?
give them time and they'll impress with what they can come up with.....spread da lovin......
cheers!
03-29-2006, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jondog
lolz...best thing lar...lup HKS.....i stand by it with unfaltering faith.....=)
The problem with most rx8 exhaust is, most of them can only made for the 6MT. Only some of them are tried and tested and have gains on the 6MT.
In fact the HKS exhaust for the rx8 has been ridiculed by many jap tuners as having poor quality material and lousy welding. If only one says so maybe not true. But after speaking to many shops and tuners at the auto saloon, i'm starting to wonder...............
03-29-2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jondog
bro, to answer this i guess you just have to know that one of Racing Beat's founders IS a japanese and his expertise comes back from nippon a long time ago. Racing Beat was founded by Takayuki Oku & Jim Mederer, and a simple look at the company's flag cars and achievements will blow you away: mostly RX7s and Protoges, then Miatas and now the company is gearing for the RX8s.
so quality wise, you will not go wrong with RB, not simply because they're an american based company, but you have to know their roots to vouch for their products. you ask any mazda owners (perhaps apart from the recent RX8 community) and Racing Beat would be a topic within discussions abt their rides.
now if they can turn some of those RX7s into works of wonders, why not the new Renesis models? give them time and they'll impress with what they can come up with.....
spread da lovin......
cheers!
so quality wise, you will not go wrong with RB, not simply because they're an american based company, but you have to know their roots to vouch for their products. you ask any mazda owners (perhaps apart from the recent RX8 community) and Racing Beat would be a topic within discussions abt their rides.
now if they can turn some of those RX7s into works of wonders, why not the new Renesis models?
give them time and they'll impress with what they can come up with.....spread da lovin......
cheers!
03-29-2006, 10:37 PM
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for auto look at Blitz, they had designed exh. for auto, part no. should be 68023, Imperial Concepts 67481101; For 6spd go for Fujitsubo or KnightSport which both r same & LTA Approved (OEM Fujitsubo) with 76.3mm or 3Inch main pipe, RB main pipe should be 76.3mm also, & get a 3" Cat. PIPE, if don't F*care go for insane loud TurboXs Header-Back system
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03-29-2006, 11:02 PM
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coupe07: hehe...i'm also running a Racing Beat powerpulse CAI....am waiting for my 4-1 extractors now to complement my existing HKS......sighz.....
next time lemme take a look at ur setup bro.....next rounding session la...
next time lemme take a look at ur setup bro.....next rounding session la...
03-29-2006, 11:42 PM
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It doesn't matter whether the product is from the east or west, what really matters that it works or not. There are bad products from japan too.
Why i chose either RB or borla?
1) I love the look
2) They are tested both in-house and externally and it works.
3) Perhaps they work better with the 6sp as the 6sp actually produces more exhuast but my gut feel is that my car has some restrictions.
4) They form the basis for some other future mods that i am thinking about.
5) Not many people have it
6) Not so over priced
7) Lighter than stock
Its bad having a stuffy nose and worse when you have constipation...
Why i chose either RB or borla?
1) I love the look
2) They are tested both in-house and externally and it works.
3) Perhaps they work better with the 6sp as the 6sp actually produces more exhuast but my gut feel is that my car has some restrictions.
4) They form the basis for some other future mods that i am thinking about.
5) Not many people have it
6) Not so over priced
7) Lighter than stock
Its bad having a stuffy nose and worse when you have constipation...
03-29-2006, 11:59 PM
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seen like RB or Borla Exh. have been designed for 6spd only, but is always good for local 8 owner to spend & try it out & let other auto 8 to know e after result. IF really want less Exh. system restriction, put in e racing Cat. pipe or just e Catless pipe & ignore CEL.
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03-30-2006, 12:01 AM
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ok, i know its wrong for me to actually say this but...singapore cars will have restrictions def. resonators, rev cuts, etc. are all part of the whole package when you purchase a car. well, we wont go into the ferraris, lambos, astons or all the high-end cars, but typically you'd find all of these when you purchase one nowadays.
stuff which some of the cars have done in sg so far (at the risk of being pulled in for inspection!):
1) str8 thru exhaust system for MT rides
2) solder off the rev limitor cut
3) solder off the speed limitor cut
4) disable A/F meter and replace with MAP sensor (more accurate reading!)
changing the exhaust to either RB or Borla will not typically enhance your 8's performance unless you change the overall package. it is just one of the many components that needs to be changed to help give back what LTA has taken so dearly away from us. =)
one of the fellow Mazda3 owners once told me that an automatic transmission car cannot do a straight thru piping for exhaust because of certain required back pressure for AT rides, as compared to manual cars. so there's no point in spending a certain amount just to upgrade to a high end aftmarket product if you happen to own an automatic tranny car.
To your point 5, in actual fact, there has been news that Racing Beat is one of THE most sought for aftmkt components for most Mazda vehicles, esp Miatas and RX7s. Because the Renesis is relatively new, like the Mazda3s and 6s, most of the basic products have not been created yet. Soon i guess!
cheers!
stuff which some of the cars have done in sg so far (at the risk of being pulled in for inspection!):
1) str8 thru exhaust system for MT rides
2) solder off the rev limitor cut
3) solder off the speed limitor cut
4) disable A/F meter and replace with MAP sensor (more accurate reading!)
changing the exhaust to either RB or Borla will not typically enhance your 8's performance unless you change the overall package. it is just one of the many components that needs to be changed to help give back what LTA has taken so dearly away from us. =)
one of the fellow Mazda3 owners once told me that an automatic transmission car cannot do a straight thru piping for exhaust because of certain required back pressure for AT rides, as compared to manual cars. so there's no point in spending a certain amount just to upgrade to a high end aftmarket product if you happen to own an automatic tranny car.
To your point 5, in actual fact, there has been news that Racing Beat is one of THE most sought for aftmkt components for most Mazda vehicles, esp Miatas and RX7s. Because the Renesis is relatively new, like the Mazda3s and 6s, most of the basic products have not been created yet. Soon i guess!
cheers!
03-30-2006, 12:26 AM
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IF really want to feel WHP increase for Auto8 & F*care LTA, SC or TC & be prepared for unforeseen, to have it legally, bigger final gear ratio for auto8 will help, intake + exh. w/o ecu tuning, may or may not feel e WHP. For 6 spd just go straight to Feed final gear4.777
+ Sport Clutch/lighten flywheeel to feel e difference.
+ Sport Clutch/lighten flywheeel to feel e difference.
03-30-2006, 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tems900
for auto look at Blitz, they had designed exh. for auto, part no. should be 68023, Imperial Concepts 67481101; For 6spd go for Fujitsubo or KnightSport which both r same & LTA Approved (OEM Fujitsubo) with 76.3mm or 3Inch main pipe, RB main pipe should be 76.3mm also, & get a 3" Cat. PIPE, if don't F*care go for insane loud TurboXs Header-Back system
If u read this japanese rx8 magazine that compared between these 2 exhaust, the knight sports one actually perform better than the fujitsubo legalis R.
So performance wise, they are not the same....
03-30-2006, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by coupe07
oso no gain on the 4AT. Sound niah......
The problem with most rx8 exhaust is, most of them can only made for the 6MT. Only some of them are tried and tested and have gains on the 6MT.
In fact the HKS exhaust for the rx8 has been ridiculed by many jap tuners as having poor quality material and lousy welding. If only one says so maybe not true. But after speaking to many shops and tuners at the auto saloon, i'm starting to wonder...............
The problem with most rx8 exhaust is, most of them can only made for the 6MT. Only some of them are tried and tested and have gains on the 6MT.
In fact the HKS exhaust for the rx8 has been ridiculed by many jap tuners as having poor quality material and lousy welding. If only one says so maybe not true. But after speaking to many shops and tuners at the auto saloon, i'm starting to wonder...............
03-30-2006, 06:38 AM
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Actually i have heard bad reports about some HKS products. No doubt some a regood but not all; actually this applies to alot of other manufacturers as well.
Jondog: I cannot believe what the mazda 3 owner said. What has a auto trans got to do with back pressure. Its more to do with the engine than the trans. If all back pressure is remove; yup you get power but some sacrifice to low end. Some back pressure is require as the exhuast comes in pulses; if not all cars will come with 10" pipes. Its more like how smooth the exhaust can flow rather than how much allowance for the volume to flow.
The intake follows the same pulse and velocity principle. Alter the diameter too much or shorten the intake too much and HP will be affected, hard to say for better or worse.
Back to the main question. Any lobangs?
Jondog: I cannot believe what the mazda 3 owner said. What has a auto trans got to do with back pressure. Its more to do with the engine than the trans. If all back pressure is remove; yup you get power but some sacrifice to low end. Some back pressure is require as the exhuast comes in pulses; if not all cars will come with 10" pipes. Its more like how smooth the exhaust can flow rather than how much allowance for the volume to flow.
The intake follows the same pulse and velocity principle. Alter the diameter too much or shorten the intake too much and HP will be affected, hard to say for better or worse.
Back to the main question. Any lobangs?
03-30-2006, 07:30 AM
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I think its only valid is tested with a crank dyno at a controlled temperature.
If tested at 2 different times at different conditions then the results is not reliable.
Car engines itself can vary in power by as much a 4 percent up or down. And not changing engine oil or having it at different levels will also affect the difference.
So when advertisers quote dyno figures; i always ask in my mind "Did they change engine oil and air filter for the test?"
If tested at 2 different times at different conditions then the results is not reliable.
Car engines itself can vary in power by as much a 4 percent up or down. And not changing engine oil or having it at different levels will also affect the difference.
So when advertisers quote dyno figures; i always ask in my mind "Did they change engine oil and air filter for the test?"
03-30-2006, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by coupe07
dats y i ask him put time put place, no need to say anything more...
same time lor....
same place lor....
03-30-2006, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Emperor
Actually i have heard bad reports about some HKS products. No doubt some a regood but not all; actually this applies to alot of other manufacturers as well.
Jondog: I cannot believe what the mazda 3 owner said. What has a auto trans got to do with back pressure. Its more to do with the engine than the trans. If all back pressure is remove; yup you get power but some sacrifice to low end. Some back pressure is require as the exhuast comes in pulses; if not all cars will come with 10" pipes. Its more like how smooth the exhaust can flow rather than how much allowance for the volume to flow.
Jondog: I cannot believe what the mazda 3 owner said. What has a auto trans got to do with back pressure. Its more to do with the engine than the trans. If all back pressure is remove; yup you get power but some sacrifice to low end. Some back pressure is require as the exhuast comes in pulses; if not all cars will come with 10" pipes. Its more like how smooth the exhaust can flow rather than how much allowance for the volume to flow.
i really don't quite understand all the mechanics for automatic tranny cars so i didnt go into specifics with that Mz3 owner. but apparently, he's not the only one that tells me the same logic, many more have told me similarly when i teased them to change to a straight thru piping.
anyways, go look up the Malaysian Miata forum and ask around. i'm sure there's some lobang over there.......
