Are you concerned about mpg?
10-07-2003, 02:49 AM
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It seems important to get Mazda involved in this. I intend when purchasing to get their mpg figures confirmed and the keep a close tab as although the car is a beauty I cannot afford to spend that much money on gas using it every day. Especially as gas will nevr be cheap here, in fact the way the govt is taxing the driver it will become more expensive.
This may ruin a perfectly good car.
rael
This may ruin a perfectly good car.
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10-07-2003, 03:25 AM
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I'm getting more and more concerned about this a d-day (delivery day!) looms larger. I do 138 miles a day and can't afford to get less than 22mpg. The problem as I see it is that I don't think we have any chance of getting Mazda to take the cars back if the MPG is poor. They dealer may offer to buy th car back but they will only give us part ex values on it.
I'd really like to see something in Mazda addressing our concerns on this issue, maybe one of the members with contacts (MarkW?) could emial them about this?
I'd really like to see something in Mazda addressing our concerns on this issue, maybe one of the members with contacts (MarkW?) could emial them about this?
10-07-2003, 04:01 AM
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Why wouldnt they buy it back? They might take some convincing from a solicitor, but I can assure you if it is some way off what they sold it as, then they are going to buy back under the trades discription act.
10-07-2003, 04:29 AM
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I guess it depends on how you drive it.
If you want economy, dont go over 3k rpm type stuff.
But in the US/Canada, they stuffed the fuel map so it meets cali's emmisions (the CAT has to pass after 120000miles). So they ramped up fuel in low/high revs and leaned out the midrange.
From what canzoomer etc have seen, this is a quick fix which is likely not to have been done on the cars that were used to rate MPG in US.
The cars used for magazine testing were JDM 250bhp with 100octane fuel, not cali's 91 octane + US engine map.
Hopefully mazda have spent a little longer on our lowerpower fuel map that they did in the US, and this will show in fuel economy. Otherwise I may as well go for separate fuel/ignition control, engoy the extra HP and probably save fuel.
If you want economy, dont go over 3k rpm type stuff.
But in the US/Canada, they stuffed the fuel map so it meets cali's emmisions (the CAT has to pass after 120000miles). So they ramped up fuel in low/high revs and leaned out the midrange.
From what canzoomer etc have seen, this is a quick fix which is likely not to have been done on the cars that were used to rate MPG in US.
The cars used for magazine testing were JDM 250bhp with 100octane fuel, not cali's 91 octane + US engine map.
Hopefully mazda have spent a little longer on our lowerpower fuel map that they did in the US, and this will show in fuel economy. Otherwise I may as well go for separate fuel/ignition control, engoy the extra HP and probably save fuel.
10-07-2003, 07:24 AM
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You should be able to get 22mpg (imperial) if you are highway cruising in 6th gear. I was able to get 25mpig doing that at 100Km/h (60mph) average speed on a 400Km trip. But any mixed city / highway driving will be cutting it really close to 22mpig.
If you don't redline the car and always drive in the 3000 rpm range you'll be fine. Also if it's not cold you'll be good.
If you don't redline the car and always drive in the 3000 rpm range you'll be fine. Also if it's not cold you'll be good.
10-07-2003, 08:07 AM
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No 100Km/h speed limit is 80.
Canada speed limits are rather dumb, as are the US frankly, NY state is 55mph on an interstate!
Canada is such a large country it makes no sense to travel at 60mph to cross it, takes too damn long!
At 100mph you won't be getting 22mpg or 20mpg or 18mpg.
Canada speed limits are rather dumb, as are the US frankly, NY state is 55mph on an interstate!
Canada is such a large country it makes no sense to travel at 60mph to cross it, takes too damn long!
At 100mph you won't be getting 22mpg or 20mpg or 18mpg.
10-07-2003, 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by Edo
Why wouldnt they buy it back? They might take some convincing from a solicitor, but I can assure you if it is some way off what they sold it as, then they are going to buy back under the trades discription act.
Why wouldnt they buy it back? They might take some convincing from a solicitor, but I can assure you if it is some way off what they sold it as, then they are going to buy back under the trades discription act.
I'm hoping for at least 25MPG when motorway cruising at 80-90MPH and I think that should be a realistic expectation taking Mazda's published figures as a baseline (in fact I should get better using Mazda's figures but I'm being realistic!)
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10-07-2003, 08:35 AM
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There was a car show, tried to reproduce MPG by adding just a gallon to the fuel tank and driving, as carefully as they could.
Cant remember the exact results but none of them done well.
Cant remember the exact results but none of them done well.
10-07-2003, 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by RobDickinson
There was a car show, tried to reproduce MPG by adding just a gallon to the fuel tank and driving, as carefully as they could.
Cant remember the exact results but none of them done well.
There was a car show, tried to reproduce MPG by adding just a gallon to the fuel tank and driving, as carefully as they could.
Cant remember the exact results but none of them done well.
10-07-2003, 11:56 AM
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Re: Don't assume RX8 is like your past cars
Originally posted by Mitch Strickler
The advertised figures in the US are EPA figures on the sticker: 18-24 for high power, 18-25 for auto (we don't get the 5-speed). Many of us don't come close. Like you, I always matched or exceeded EPA highway figures. Not close so far (less than 2,000 miles) with my auto RX8, driven about the same way I drove my Acura GS-R and others. To be more specific, I recently filled up after about 170 miles on the road. The first half was done mostly with the cruise control on 80, a/c off, with a fair amount at speeds around 60 on slower roads. My estimate, based on the gas gauge, which has been consistent, was low 20s. On the way back, I drove mostly around 90, high 97, with more a/c, and redlined in first a couple of times. Overall, just short of 19 mpg. Temp in 70s, not humid.
The advertised figures in the US are EPA figures on the sticker: 18-24 for high power, 18-25 for auto (we don't get the 5-speed). Many of us don't come close. Like you, I always matched or exceeded EPA highway figures. Not close so far (less than 2,000 miles) with my auto RX8, driven about the same way I drove my Acura GS-R and others. To be more specific, I recently filled up after about 170 miles on the road. The first half was done mostly with the cruise control on 80, a/c off, with a fair amount at speeds around 60 on slower roads. My estimate, based on the gas gauge, which has been consistent, was low 20s. On the way back, I drove mostly around 90, high 97, with more a/c, and redlined in first a couple of times. Overall, just short of 19 mpg. Temp in 70s, not humid.
10-07-2003, 01:05 PM
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I'm in the US and so these are US figures. I've had my AT Winning Blue (GT package) RX8 since Aug 23. With 50/50 city/hiway I've been getting about 21+mpg.
I now have about 1500 miles on it. I took a 303 miles drive which took 12.5 USgallons to fill. That works out to 24+ mpg. It was 95% hiway driving with speeds mostly between 50 and 60mph with the tach at 2500rpm and the AC on. Most of the trip was on Canadian roads (a bit smoother than some in Washington).
Since the AT is "window stickered" at 18 to 25mpg, my RX8 seems to be right in there.
It seems that the consensus of those getting poor mpg is that the ECU may have been improperly set after being unloaded at port. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I've had no problems with mine.
Needless to say, I'm jazzed with my RX8. It's a head-turner where ever I go.
I now have about 1500 miles on it. I took a 303 miles drive which took 12.5 USgallons to fill. That works out to 24+ mpg. It was 95% hiway driving with speeds mostly between 50 and 60mph with the tach at 2500rpm and the AC on. Most of the trip was on Canadian roads (a bit smoother than some in Washington).
Since the AT is "window stickered" at 18 to 25mpg, my RX8 seems to be right in there.
It seems that the consensus of those getting poor mpg is that the ECU may have been improperly set after being unloaded at port. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I've had no problems with mine.
Needless to say, I'm jazzed with my RX8. It's a head-turner where ever I go.
10-07-2003, 02:47 PM
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I think you guys should look at the mpg in Asia and particularly Australia rather than North America.
As RobDickinson said, we in the USA and Canada are unusual in having the ECU messed around with at the last minute for emmissions issues (apparently emissions have to be insanely low until the end of time over here) which caused the very rich mixture and probably has a huge impact on the lower than expected fuel economy. I have averaged 17.1mpg (US gallons) over 3000 miles, which is 2mpg worse than my huge 4400lb SUV that carries 7 and hits 0-60 in under 8 secs with it's 3.5 liter ULEV engine.
As RobDickinson said, we in the USA and Canada are unusual in having the ECU messed around with at the last minute for emmissions issues (apparently emissions have to be insanely low until the end of time over here) which caused the very rich mixture and probably has a huge impact on the lower than expected fuel economy. I have averaged 17.1mpg (US gallons) over 3000 miles, which is 2mpg worse than my huge 4400lb SUV that carries 7 and hits 0-60 in under 8 secs with it's 3.5 liter ULEV engine.
10-07-2003, 04:30 PM
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Had a quick survey on the Oz site and they seem to be getting between 12 - 14 l/100km, which comes to 20 - 23 mpg. Someone said they managed 10, so its possible to get better, and thats with reasonably fast driving. And they were using 95 octane fuel, same as here. I would guess thats what we can expect. I seem to remember Autocar averaged better than 23, and they can't drive.
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10-07-2003, 05:34 PM
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erm........call me niave but yes, I'm expecting what the manufactures quote.
Combined (190) 26.2 mpg - (230) 24.8 mpg.
Why should we expect anything other
Combined (190) 26.2 mpg - (230) 24.8 mpg.
Why should we expect anything other
10-08-2003, 03:39 PM
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really cant understand why so many people on this list are so should i, shouldnt i, what if about this car. The fuel issues, are for me pretty much non issues. The Mazda figures claimed for the 8 WILL BE AS REAL as those claimed for any other vehicle. THEY are a representative guide ONLY, and i would only use them as indicative of what a particular vehicles potential is. Yes, u can possibly get more, much more generally expect slightly less. Our Vtec Honda dosnt get what Honda claims, and our Accord only got as much as our TII Rx7 when driven under similar conditions.
For me, if you are really that indecisive about a car, then why, oh why did u sign up so far ahead?. Why not wait and see it in teh flesh, and drive it before stomping up with the readies?. Me thinks many people who preordered just wanted the latest toy, and where looking more to be one up, rather than having any genuine desire or passion for what the 8 surely is, a great new choice in an over crowded market. I beleive it will do very well, and having owned 4 Rotary Mazdas, its none to soon to see the return of the Rotary in a great package.
Viva le Rotary!!
For me, if you are really that indecisive about a car, then why, oh why did u sign up so far ahead?. Why not wait and see it in teh flesh, and drive it before stomping up with the readies?. Me thinks many people who preordered just wanted the latest toy, and where looking more to be one up, rather than having any genuine desire or passion for what the 8 surely is, a great new choice in an over crowded market. I beleive it will do very well, and having owned 4 Rotary Mazdas, its none to soon to see the return of the Rotary in a great package.
Viva le Rotary!!
10-08-2003, 03:52 PM
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Cant speak for anyone else, but;
Every car I have owned has been close to the manufacturers claims for mileage. I didnt buy an RX8 for economy, but I expect it to be somewhere near the claims. Hopefully the economy of the European cars will not be as bad as those experienced by the US/Canadian folks.
I pre-orered the car on the expectation that it would be here July/August. That has slipped to November.
I think people are just pissed off with being messed about and constantly let down.
If the car is as good as it appeared in my brief test drive, I will be happy.
Every car I have owned has been close to the manufacturers claims for mileage. I didnt buy an RX8 for economy, but I expect it to be somewhere near the claims. Hopefully the economy of the European cars will not be as bad as those experienced by the US/Canadian folks.
I pre-orered the car on the expectation that it would be here July/August. That has slipped to November.
I think people are just pissed off with being messed about and constantly let down.
If the car is as good as it appeared in my brief test drive, I will be happy.
10-08-2003, 04:17 PM
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Mileage for me is not really an issue. This is really not the car to be buying if this is one of your major concerns.
Ive never got that close to getting advertised mileage on any car (heavy right foot :D), even when I had diesel company cars I was way off.
I would be pleased if I could average 20 or above from the RX-8, as this would be an improvement for me.
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Ive never got that close to getting advertised mileage on any car (heavy right foot :D), even when I had diesel company cars I was way off.
I would be pleased if I could average 20 or above from the RX-8, as this would be an improvement for me.
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Mark