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Old May 12, 2004 | 03:39 PM
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what are my rights ? High mileage upon delivery

I am ready to get the car from the dealer next week and she told me today that it has 140 km on the odometer.

It was never driven once it got to Burlington and the 140 km were put on the car in Japan or in transit.

I am very concerned because the first 1000 km are very important for the proper break in of the engine and who know who drove it and how.

What should I do ? The dealer is not concerned but understands my concern.

Anybody else in Canada has received the car with these many kilometres upon delivery ?
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Old May 12, 2004 | 03:43 PM
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Something is VERY wrong with this story. The cars aren't driven in Japan or in transit except for loading. Most cars should arrive at the dealer with less than 15 km on them! My car had 8 miles (sorry, too tired to convert to km) on it when I picked it up. There have been several threads about people getting new cars with significant mileage on them.

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Old May 12, 2004 | 03:46 PM
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I'd be worried if they're telling you the car was driven around on the boat :P
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Old May 12, 2004 | 03:49 PM
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Yeah they can't get too far in the containers. Mine had 7.5 miles on delivery. That is significantly less. Did they drive it from port to the dealer?
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Old May 12, 2004 | 04:00 PM
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mine had 76, about 40 of it was my test drive, then it went home with me
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Old May 12, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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41km on mine...

Dealer said it was PDI + port transit + lot rotation. I still think they BS'd me...

Ask for a discount... no way in hell I'd buy if it were higher than 50km.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 05:15 PM
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Burlington Mazda is now trying to get me another car with less than 10 km. I appreciate their effort.

I think that they were as surprised as I am since nobody knows who drove the car.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 06:04 PM
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mine had 29 km cuz they bring there cars from the ports (its near silvercity in riverport if anyone has seen it)
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Old May 12, 2004 | 06:06 PM
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I don't think that's a Mazda port in Silvercity.. pretty sure that's Fords. Unless they share lots like they do the business.

Anyway, I'm glad you also had some miles on your car Hitmann.. I was worried with my 41km.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 06:08 PM
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look at it carefully usee the 8s 3s and the miatas
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Old May 12, 2004 | 06:30 PM
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My pre-order had about 25 km, I suspect the dealership took it out for a pre-delivery inspection drive, I don't believe any customer test drove it as the dealer had 2 demo units at the time.

With a 140 km.....perhaps a your dealer acquired it from another dealer's inventory, but you would think they would inform you of that.

Last edited by Roadrunner; May 12, 2004 at 06:48 PM.
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Old May 12, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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mine had 34km, dealer said pdi/transport and after some updates bla bla to test the car after flashing and stuff..
no problems tho..
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Old May 12, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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I went to Mazda Gabriel in Montreal, and I got screwed. At least your dealer is telling you ahead of time.

People can still update the poll

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=22939
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Old May 12, 2004 | 11:12 PM
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Re: what are my rights ? High mileage upon delivery

Originally posted by halfon
What should I do ? The dealer is not concerned but understands my concern.

Anybody else in Canada has received the car with these many kilometres upon delivery ?
What are your rights? None, there are no rights to you as a result of more mileage than expected, UNLESS you had it written in your purchase agreement that the car would be delivered with no more than X km, AND had a penalty for mileage over that amount (monetary discount, get you an alternate car, etc). If you didn't have this written in your contract, you have 3 choices:

- You can refuse to accept delivery and cancel the deal, try to get your deposit back;
- you can accept delivery as-is and as agreed;
- or you can threaten to cancel delivery because of the higher mileage and try to negotiate a compromise, such as money back (unlikely) or a discount on accessories (maybe 15% off; likely)

IIRC, my car had something like 60 km on it when I picked it up - I was annoyed, but no more. It was nearly the first RX-8 in Alberta, and I had to phone around to find it, 2 hours away from Calgary. I made the deal over the phone on a Friday (the day the dealer received the car), but couldn't pick it up until the following Tuesday - I suspect the dealership owner drove the car over the weekend. What could I do? Turn down the car, and wait another 4 or 5 months to line up another one... or take delivery and not worry about it. Needless to say, I chose the latter - hell, I put 200 km on it in the next 2 hours on my way back to Calgary! Now, 18,000km later, I'd completely forgotten about those 60 km. I seriously doubt that they could do any significant harm to your car - but IF they did, that's what the warranty is for, right?

(Break-in is over-rated... if anything, driving hard during the first 1000 km is better for engine longevity than babying it for the first 1000 km!!! Yes, I'm serious)

Regards,
Gordon
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Old May 13, 2004 | 12:07 AM
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I had 180 on mine minus my test drive (about 20Kms).I did not take note of the odo on the test drive.(Too excited!).I was upset though when I saw it on delivery day.In my case I took the chance but It was not easy to swallow.My car was ordered by someone else who dropped out of the deal because he could not sell his RX7 for the downpayment.No BS here I saw the cancelled contract and Mazda Canada still had the car registered in his name when I picked it up.The car now has over 3000Kms and no problems to speak of.It's a bit of a gamble but a clutch can also be burned without putting any mileage on a car.Couldn't say I'd do it again though.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 08:23 AM
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My car had 5km on it when I picked it up in Hamilton at Mountain Mazda. That's with all the loading on the train, shipped to the dealer and PDI'd. If a new car had that many km's on it then someone defineatly took it for a test drive or home for the weekend.

Personally I wouldn't accept the car and wait for another, but it's totally up to you as Gord96BRD said.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 08:26 AM
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Don't know if this is helpful, but my wife and I bought a Maxima from a Nissan dealer in Welland, On. When the car arrived, it had about 120 km on it. The dealer told me that he drove the car from the depot in Burlington to Welland.

I bitched and moaned and got him to implicitly write on the contract that the car was properly driven during this transport and that my warranty would have another 120km put on this.

I know this was ****, but it was more the principle of the thing. If he's too cheap to pay for transporting the car, the least I could do was make his life alittle harder.

In the end, the car ran fine and I got rid of it at the end of the lease and never came close to hitting the warranty.

Craig
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Old May 13, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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Re: Re: what are my rights ? High mileage upon delivery

Believe it or not, I got screwed like this before: when i bought my last car new, It had 120km. I was a little upset since I WAS paying for a new car, and obviously not getting one.


This time when i bought my 8, when i looked at the car, it had 11km. On the contract, i specically said "Car has 11km right now, I am not taking delivery and will receive full refund if upon pickup the car has more than 12km"

made me feel good that my car won't be abused by anyone before taking delivery.


Originally posted by Gord96BRG
What are your rights? None, there are no rights to you as a result of more mileage than expected, UNLESS you had it written in your purchase agreement that the car would be delivered with no more than X km, AND had a penalty for mileage over that amount (monetary discount, get you an alternate car, etc). If you didn't have this written in your contract, you have 3 choices:

- You can refuse to accept delivery and cancel the deal, try to get your deposit back;
- you can accept delivery as-is and as agreed;
- or you can threaten to cancel delivery because of the higher mileage and try to negotiate a compromise, such as money back (unlikely) or a discount on accessories (maybe 15% off; likely)

IIRC, my car had something like 60 km on it when I picked it up - I was annoyed, but no more. It was nearly the first RX-8 in Alberta, and I had to phone around to find it, 2 hours away from Calgary. I made the deal over the phone on a Friday (the day the dealer received the car), but couldn't pick it up until the following Tuesday - I suspect the dealership owner drove the car over the weekend. What could I do? Turn down the car, and wait another 4 or 5 months to line up another one... or take delivery and not worry about it. Needless to say, I chose the latter - hell, I put 200 km on it in the next 2 hours on my way back to Calgary! Now, 18,000km later, I'd completely forgotten about those 60 km. I seriously doubt that they could do any significant harm to your car - but IF they did, that's what the warranty is for, right?

(Break-in is over-rated... if anything, driving hard during the first 1000 km is better for engine longevity than babying it for the first 1000 km!!! Yes, I'm serious)

Regards,
Gordon
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Old May 13, 2004 | 02:50 PM
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A friend of mine works at a Mazda dealership and I know pretty much every mechanic there has taken an 8 out for a rip or 2... I wouldnt be suprised if everyone on the sales staff has too .
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Old May 13, 2004 | 06:32 PM
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Sounds like a old Leggat Jr. (Burlington people like Halfon know who I'm talking about) took it up north for the weekend. The rep would never tell you if he or someone else did.

I'd say there's nothing wrong with the car, and ask for them to trim a grand off the price or something.

Then again, I think the whole "breaking in the engine" bit is horse manure anyway....I've never met anyone who had to bring any car, sports or otherwise, back to the dealer for not "breaking it in" properly.
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Old May 14, 2004 | 03:13 PM
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Well, Burlington Mazda ordered another car from Mazda headquarters and it will be shipped by truck.

Once it arrives I will check the VIN number and check that the Flash version is M or N plus the checklist, etc.

The interesting fact that I discovered is that the dealrship does a PDI as soon as the car arrives. However, if the car sits there for a while, service will not do an update unless he receives a work order from the salesperson. However, the salesperson is not a technician and therefore does not know that for the RX-8 things evolve almost daily and that a work order is almost mandatory to keep the car up to date to the latest bullettin.

Indeed if I did not read this forum I would not have known how to direct the salesperson and service to check everything before delivery.
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