Quick_lude

Since a lot of people are speculating that the drop in hp is due to port ECU remapping to meet California emission standards, did the Canadian cars go through the same process? There is too much havoc in general to sift through it..

Anyone here has dynoe'd their car or taken it to the drag strip for curiosity? Please, don't post up your 14.0 sec GTECH measured numbers.. :p

mdmaclean

Is there any way to tell without using a Dyno?

It would be nice if Canadian cars were faster than the US ones... we usually get less of everything instead of more!

Quick_lude

Well there are those "port" modification stickers right? It would be nice to know what they mean. Other than a Canadian car dyno plot I don't think there is any way to compare. If the Canadian cars "poop" out on the dyno after 6200 rpm and produce only about 180whp then we'll know it's the same ECU map as the US cars.

Wing

How much is a dyno run? I have GS so it would probably be the best type to run since there is no TCS or DSC.

I'm out of $$$$ right now but I might get around to it.

Although today I had 4 adults in the car and it STILL hauls ***, I am not overly concerned.

Quick_lude

Typically dyno time is around $60 an hour.. a bit more of you want to have an O2 plot.

canzoomer

Oh, don't worry, we did, as usual.
RX-8 in USA has 48 month/50K mile warranty.
We get 36/80k kilometer.

In the sense of the offer to compensate the shortage of horsepower with "free service" that translates into 1/4 less of compensation too.

canzoomer

The Canadian cars do not have the Port Campaign stickers like they do in the USA.
But that does not mean they did not do the port modifications.

For example, we have had the new oil dipsticks installed.
Not by the dealer, as my dealers service manager knew nothing about it.
I had to call Mazda Canada to confirm that the dipsticks hade been changed.

agisd

We need to dyno a couple Rx-8s. Soon some cars will have 3-4k km on and will be available for dyno.

Gord96BRG

I've got 7600 km on mine now. But, I'm happy with the power as is, and am not too interested in having a dyno test. Time and money, you know! If someone else wanted to pay for it, I'd consider - but the variables are significant - Calgary is at a higher altitude than most other cities in Canada, do you trust the compensation corrections, what make and model of dyno are used and how they can be compared to results from other dynos (they can't), etc... so any dyno results will be less than conclusive .

Regards,
Gordon

MadJoker

Someone told me that its normal to get around 35 % loss in the HP from engine to wheel , since this car is rear wheel , not front wheel drive ( which is 10- 15 % loss )
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Just wondering

Redshift

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35%?
That would be an extremely inefficient drive train.

For a modern RWD car, with goodies such as a Carbon Fibre driveshaft etc such as the RX-8, about 15% loss would be good.. maybe as high as 20%.
Anything higher then that would be unheard of.

I have about 3300km on mine, and my altitude above sea level is...well.. I just looked out my window and saw the ocean, so not much.

I'm thinking about getting my car dynoed, but the guy around here is kind of expensive. (About $50 per session, or usually about 3 runs.) so I'm kinda holding back.

I was course-working with the guy who owns it for 2 days at the Solo 2 Eastern Regionals first weekend of August, so maybe I'll see if he will cut a deal to settle this question.

Quick_lude

That is a normal price, you will not find it any cheaper.

If I was the owner I would like to know.. it's not a matter of "my car feels fast enough" it's getting full value for your hard earned money. Because if I paid for near S2000/350Z acceleration but got RSX-S acceleration that is not right. Sure hp isn't everything.. but it's an important part of any sports car.

On a rotary car the dyno loss should not be more than 20%, maybe even less. This car should dyno at least 200-205 whp.

Wing

Since we are in the Canada forum here I'll ask this simple question though.

What cars in the SAME price range of the base RX8 can be had in base form with more power and similar handling etc.

I can't think of any.

The Nissan Altima is close, but handling bites on that car and it feels HUGE

The Acura TSX, doesn't have more power it has a lot less 200Hp and it's FWD and it weights more.

The Mazda 6 is getting close at 220Hp, great handling not sure about the weight.


The US members seem to always compare to teh S2000 or the G35c, but in Canada it's not comparison.

I paid $43 out the door for the Base RX8, the S2000 is 48 MSRP, the G35c is over 43 MSRP the 350Z is 43 MSRP.

The TSX is 34 MSRP so that's close and the fully loaded Mazda 6 is 32 MSRP.

I'm worried we won't get compensated because there is nothing out there in the same price range.

Seriously if I wanted to return the RX8 I would have to think long and hard as the only other car on my radar was the TSX and it won't be as fun to drive.

The only thing that even has me THINKING about selling is the gas guzzling.

agisd

Even rated at a lower HP the car is at a good price in Canada.

From my market search (final prices with all taxes):

S2k: 53k
G35C 6mt Brembos 53k
350Z Performance 53.x k
350Z Track 55.6k
STi 55.6k

RX-8 GS 43k
RX-8 GT 46.xx k
RX-8 GT/SR 48k

GS has no DSC (huge minus imo).

Hence, there is a considerable price diff but we also need to factor in the additional gas the 8 will need.

Finally, all the other more expensive cars in the list are faster than the 8.

What is better value is hard to tell.

Wing

Why would no DSC be a huge minus when we only have 180 hp?

WankelWannabe

What about the WRX (not the STi)...I think that is pretty close in performance and price. Of course the RX-8 looks much better and probably handles better too.

Other than that, nothing else really appeals to me.

canzoomer

I agree with you.
One car that has about the same performance and price is the Toyoto Celica TRD GT-S:
It is selling in Edmonton for $32,515 Canadian.

I know I am going to get some flame as it is different than the RX-8, but from a features and performance point of view it is actually pretty similar.
As far as compensation goes, I just spoke to Mazda Canada, and as of now they still have no response, and have not made the offer in Canada.

The RX-8 is still a nicer car, IMHO, but at least this gives us a reasonable comparison.
The Infinit Q35 coupe is also a very fair comparison.
It is well equipped, will beat the RX-8 on a track, and is comparably priced.
It sells here in Edmonton for 47K, ready to drive away.
4K more than my 8, but by the time I add parts to get the performance back, a pretty fair comparison.

canzoomer

It is actually apretty fair comparison.
Same power, actually better handling, and the bonus of 4 wheel drive.

Much less in the way of luxury items, and much less "gee whiz" factor, however, as it has been out for a while, and the STi is faster, of course.

Still, looking more attractive all the time.

The earlier comment that said an RX-8 6 speed GT is $48K is all wet.
I bought mine at sticker, with freight and PDI, Ming, and all fees for just over $42K at my local dealer.
I suspect once word gets out the waiting list will shrink pretty fast.

Wing

canzoomer your forgetting 1 thing.

the $3k+ in taxes! Because your in Alberta you don't have the pay the PST, and your LUCKY! But every other province has a provincial sales tax. I paid $43k for the GS after tax, would have been under 40 in Alberta

So for the majority of canadians the G35c is way over, as the difference in tax alone is close to a grand!

agisd

Because with the huge 18" wheels and RWD it is not that difficult to lose it in a turn and then you write it off. Or do a 360 on the highway. It's easy. With DSC on, a write off will never happen (well, almost unless you go straight for a wall).

ZoomZoom

How about insurance! I got a quote on the WRX and it was over twice the cost of my RX-8.

RX-8 $1,300.00 (tax included)
WRX $2,600.00 (taxes not included)

canzoomer

NEWS FLASH!!

I just received a call back from Mazda Canada.
I had enquired Friday and this morning to see if they were downgrading the claimed HP in Canada too.
They are. Same as USA

I asked what they were offering, and they tell me that is similar to the USA:
Free scheduled maintenance for the warranty period.
$500 cash back.

You should note that I said "similar"

In the USA they are offering $500 back, in US dollars.
In Canada they are offering us $500 Canadian

In the USA they have a 4 year warranty.
In Canada it is a 3 year warranty.

Taking their $1,200 claimed value for the service in USA as true, that means we are being screwed to the tune of about $400 on the service and $175 on the credit.

Wing

Good stuff!

Although I agree we are getting screwed, at least we are getting SOMETHING!

I need winter floor mats, and winter wheels. The $500 will be MOOCHOO help for this, and the $30 savings every 8000Km will help for oil changes.

You know what else sucks? Apparently in the US they get free loaners and a free tank of gas, we get neither .

Rx8Mango

Damn, had too much fun driving the car to notice this thread. So I take it we only have 238 HP in our car now? Just a quick question, so how do I go about and get this free maintenence and 500 bux Canadian back? Do I call my salesman? Or do I talk to the dealership manager? Help would be appreciated! Thanks a lot!

Quick_lude

Although you are comparing sedans, imo you should also consider cars like RSX-S and Celica GTS. Yes they are fwd but with top notch handling, especially the Celica. Both cars have smiliar acceleration, about 14.9s in the 1/4. They are cheaper but have more luxury amenities like leather, sunroof when compared to the base RX-8.
Also WRX is in direct competion with the base RX-8 wrt to performance and interior design/amenities.

Now don't get me wrong, I still think that the 8 is a better overall car than those 3 but when you factor in the much worse fuel economy and $4-6K price differential, some people might now look elsewhere.