Does anyone know how to fix this problem in my RX8 2004 GT 6 speed???
10-11-2010, 01:52 PM
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Ya I just called Mazda as I was reading your notes, I asked them about the warranty they said Cat is covered 75Kmiles/120Kms or 8yrs... so im covered! I asked him if i changed plugs and put the wrong wires would that ruin the warranty, he said ya that would prolly ruin the warranty! lol then i was like, ok well i was just assuming, don't put that in my file! lol he asked for my name and VIN number at the beginning, hope he didn't mess up my file.... anyways...so how should i go around this when i take it to the dealer... I changed the plugs and all that, and I have no idea what the other owner before me did to the car! ah man, Im pretty stressed now!
10-11-2010, 02:02 PM
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I called US Mazda customer service cuz the Canadian one is closed! (Customer Assistance Center U.S.A Phone Number : 1-800-222-5500) warranty on the cat in Canada and US: 750000miles/120000Km or 8 yrs whichever comes first....
I called US Mazda customer service cuz the Canadian one is closed! (Customer Assistance Center U.S.A Phone Number : 1-800-222-5500) warranty on the cat in Canada and US: 750000miles/120000Km or 8 yrs whichever comes first....
10-11-2010, 02:03 PM
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Before taking it in. Get those coils changed out. At that time you can double check your spark plugs and wires. Stay within the warranty miles for the CAT and take back to the dealership to have it inspected after your sure everything you did is correct.
10-11-2010, 02:17 PM
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ya thanks man, thats what im gonna do!... ah man im just worried if i did a bad move telling the US Mazda customer service guy on the phone about the "putting the wires in the wrong wires would void the warranty" would updated my file with those notes!... 
damn it, i should have kept my mouth shut! he said he wasn't gonna put that in my file but iunno man... ah...
damn it, i should have kept my mouth shut! he said he wasn't gonna put that in my file but iunno man... ah...
10-11-2010, 02:21 PM
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i think he just took the initial information down to see if you had any history. I dont think he can put that in the notes considering its not solid proof evidence.
10-11-2010, 02:30 PM
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Yeah, it's good news about the CAT! 
Don't exceed that number without getting it in there!
Don't sweat the remark you made to him, just get the new coils and make sure that firing order is correct!
Then take it in and get the new CAT! They'd want to do the coils anyway and would charge you too much! Get them from a vendor here as already stated.
If they give you any static about the CAT, then have them call as your call will be on record.
Don't exceed that number without getting it in there!Don't sweat the remark you made to him, just get the new coils and make sure that firing order is correct!
Then take it in and get the new CAT! They'd want to do the coils anyway and would charge you too much! Get them from a vendor here as already stated.
If they give you any static about the CAT, then have them call as your call will be on record.
10-11-2010, 10:36 PM
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Yeah, it's good news about the CAT! Don't exceed that number without getting it in there!
Don't sweat the remark you made to him, just get the new coils and make sure that firing order is correct!
Then take it in and get the new CAT! They'd want to do the coils anyway and would charge you too much! Get them from a vendor here as already stated.
If they give you any static about the CAT, then have them call as your call will be on record.
Don't exceed that number without getting it in there!Don't sweat the remark you made to him, just get the new coils and make sure that firing order is correct!
Then take it in and get the new CAT! They'd want to do the coils anyway and would charge you too much! Get them from a vendor here as already stated.
If they give you any static about the CAT, then have them call as your call will be on record.
so before i take it to mazda, plugs and coils are going to be all replaced and right wiring order and have them just look for cat to see if its fried to have replaced under warranty!
btw you know im abit worried if Mazda tells me since u changed ur coils and sparks ur warranty on cat is void!
ps. I bought the car last january from a car dealer, its under my name and everything, but as the new owner I would still be able to use the warranty right?
10-12-2010, 01:58 AM
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Guys, someone wrote me this, what do you think?
"Omid,
The situation that you present is not uncommon and is not mysterious. Lets break it down in steps.
Firstly, this sounds like an old age tale of bodyshops and flooding the engine. People simply don't understand that this car likes to be treated well. A simple 30 second warmup is enough to prevent this problem however, places like bodyshops who don't much care for your car will turn them on and off to move them a few feet big no no. For these kind of movements you could just push a car but then again I guess people are too lazy (and the car is very light, super easy to push makes you wonder why). So they just probably flooded the engine which was the reason for some pricy new spark plugs.
Secondly, The Rx-8 coils are crappy, not only are the located on the engineblock just ready to be cooked to death but they also do not have a heatsink, and have a very small surface area not to great for dissappating heat. Yukon coils such as those sold in the BHR kit are the way to go, much more powerful spark and also much better in terms of durability and if you choose to go turbocharged one day they have the potential to have a much higher dwell than the OEM's (a base requirement of FI Rx-8).
Lastly, The rotary engine generates large amounts of heat which can break down the cat, cause it to clog and in turn cause enormous backpressure which will see your engine out. Now, the Exhaust Gas Temperature EGT, follows a J curve with AFR. That is to say that extremely lean temperatures will cause very high EGTs but very rich condition can also cause similar high temperatures which could lead to the breakdown of your catalytic converter.
In summary, the CAS (Crank Angle Sensor) should be the first thing you change because it is the base for everything your car does, if it is not working properly, then your ignition is off and you risk blowing your engine. It can be tested for resistance to see if it is still within the Factory Service Manuals operating order. Next you would want to check all your codes to make sure that the ignition is sorted. Then BHR ignition kit, and lastly something like an RP Supercat or a Dual Resonated midpipe, your engine will be happy you let it breathe, and if you get a dual resonated midpipe you won't have to worry about it getting clogged in the future.
Word of caution I do not think anyone here has ever heard of this so called KNS Autosports so I would stay away.
Hope this helps."
"Omid,
The situation that you present is not uncommon and is not mysterious. Lets break it down in steps.
Firstly, this sounds like an old age tale of bodyshops and flooding the engine. People simply don't understand that this car likes to be treated well. A simple 30 second warmup is enough to prevent this problem however, places like bodyshops who don't much care for your car will turn them on and off to move them a few feet big no no. For these kind of movements you could just push a car but then again I guess people are too lazy (and the car is very light, super easy to push makes you wonder why). So they just probably flooded the engine which was the reason for some pricy new spark plugs.
Secondly, The Rx-8 coils are crappy, not only are the located on the engineblock just ready to be cooked to death but they also do not have a heatsink, and have a very small surface area not to great for dissappating heat. Yukon coils such as those sold in the BHR kit are the way to go, much more powerful spark and also much better in terms of durability and if you choose to go turbocharged one day they have the potential to have a much higher dwell than the OEM's (a base requirement of FI Rx-8).
Lastly, The rotary engine generates large amounts of heat which can break down the cat, cause it to clog and in turn cause enormous backpressure which will see your engine out. Now, the Exhaust Gas Temperature EGT, follows a J curve with AFR. That is to say that extremely lean temperatures will cause very high EGTs but very rich condition can also cause similar high temperatures which could lead to the breakdown of your catalytic converter.
In summary, the CAS (Crank Angle Sensor) should be the first thing you change because it is the base for everything your car does, if it is not working properly, then your ignition is off and you risk blowing your engine. It can be tested for resistance to see if it is still within the Factory Service Manuals operating order. Next you would want to check all your codes to make sure that the ignition is sorted. Then BHR ignition kit, and lastly something like an RP Supercat or a Dual Resonated midpipe, your engine will be happy you let it breathe, and if you get a dual resonated midpipe you won't have to worry about it getting clogged in the future.
Word of caution I do not think anyone here has ever heard of this so called KNS Autosports so I would stay away.
Hope this helps."
10-12-2010, 07:20 AM
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Guys, someone wrote me this, what do you think?
"Omid,
The situation that you present is not uncommon and is not mysterious. Lets break it down in steps.
Firstly, this sounds like an old age tale of bodyshops and flooding the engine. People simply don't understand that this car likes to be treated well. A simple 30 second warmup is enough to prevent this problem however, places like bodyshops who don't much care for your car will turn them on and off to move them a few feet big no no. For these kind of movements you could just push a car but then again I guess people are too lazy (and the car is very light, super easy to push makes you wonder why). So they just probably flooded the engine which was the reason for some pricy new spark plugs.
Secondly, The Rx-8 coils are crappy, not only are the located on the engineblock just ready to be cooked to death but they also do not have a heatsink, and have a very small surface area not to great for dissappating heat. Yukon coils such as those sold in the BHR kit are the way to go, much more powerful spark and also much better in terms of durability and if you choose to go turbocharged one day they have the potential to have a much higher dwell than the OEM's (a base requirement of FI Rx-8).
Lastly, The rotary engine generates large amounts of heat which can break down the cat, cause it to clog and in turn cause enormous backpressure which will see your engine out. Now, the Exhaust Gas Temperature EGT, follows a J curve with AFR. That is to say that extremely lean temperatures will cause very high EGTs but very rich condition can also cause similar high temperatures which could lead to the breakdown of your catalytic converter.
In summary, the CAS (Crank Angle Sensor) should be the first thing you change because it is the base for everything your car does, if it is not working properly, then your ignition is off and you risk blowing your engine. It can be tested for resistance to see if it is still within the Factory Service Manuals operating order. Next you would want to check all your codes to make sure that the ignition is sorted. Then BHR ignition kit, and lastly something like an RP Supercat or a Dual Resonated midpipe, your engine will be happy you let it breathe, and if you get a dual resonated midpipe you won't have to worry about it getting clogged in the future.
Word of caution I do not think anyone here has ever heard of this so called KNS Autosports so I would stay away.
Hope this helps."
"Omid,
The situation that you present is not uncommon and is not mysterious. Lets break it down in steps.
Firstly, this sounds like an old age tale of bodyshops and flooding the engine. People simply don't understand that this car likes to be treated well. A simple 30 second warmup is enough to prevent this problem however, places like bodyshops who don't much care for your car will turn them on and off to move them a few feet big no no. For these kind of movements you could just push a car but then again I guess people are too lazy (and the car is very light, super easy to push makes you wonder why). So they just probably flooded the engine which was the reason for some pricy new spark plugs.
Secondly, The Rx-8 coils are crappy, not only are the located on the engineblock just ready to be cooked to death but they also do not have a heatsink, and have a very small surface area not to great for dissappating heat. Yukon coils such as those sold in the BHR kit are the way to go, much more powerful spark and also much better in terms of durability and if you choose to go turbocharged one day they have the potential to have a much higher dwell than the OEM's (a base requirement of FI Rx-8).
Lastly, The rotary engine generates large amounts of heat which can break down the cat, cause it to clog and in turn cause enormous backpressure which will see your engine out. Now, the Exhaust Gas Temperature EGT, follows a J curve with AFR. That is to say that extremely lean temperatures will cause very high EGTs but very rich condition can also cause similar high temperatures which could lead to the breakdown of your catalytic converter.
In summary, the CAS (Crank Angle Sensor) should be the first thing you change because it is the base for everything your car does, if it is not working properly, then your ignition is off and you risk blowing your engine. It can be tested for resistance to see if it is still within the Factory Service Manuals operating order. Next you would want to check all your codes to make sure that the ignition is sorted. Then BHR ignition kit, and lastly something like an RP Supercat or a Dual Resonated midpipe, your engine will be happy you let it breathe, and if you get a dual resonated midpipe you won't have to worry about it getting clogged in the future.
Word of caution I do not think anyone here has ever heard of this so called KNS Autosports so I would stay away.
Hope this helps."
Even if you put the stock coils back in, you need to be very aware down the road that they could go bad again and not to wait when/if they do. If you are going to keep the car for a long period of time, then I would eventually think about the BHR ignition.
We all know your CAT is toast, and we pretty much no why.
Crank Angle Sensor...............well, since the rest of what Mr. Mystery wrote was spot on, I'm not going to challenge that either.
You could certainly have it tested if you think it's needed or just opt to by a new one. Don't think they are real expensive. Look at it this way............since you CAT is apparently covered, you saved $2500 or so!
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10-12-2010, 08:01 AM
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I have no argument with anything he wrote. The ONLY reason I suggested OEM coils was just to get you all sorted out so you could get in and get the new CAT.
Even if you put the stock coils back in, you need to be very aware down the road that they could go bad again and not to wait when/if they do. If you are going to keep the car for a long period of time, then I would eventually think about the BHR ignition.
We all know your CAT is toast, and we pretty much no why.
Crank Angle Sensor...............well, since the rest of what Mr. Mystery wrote was spot on, I'm not going to challenge that either. You could certainly have it tested if you think it's needed or just opt to by a new one. Don't think they are real expensive. Look at it this way............since you CAT is apparently covered, you saved $2500 or so!
Even if you put the stock coils back in, you need to be very aware down the road that they could go bad again and not to wait when/if they do. If you are going to keep the car for a long period of time, then I would eventually think about the BHR ignition.
We all know your CAT is toast, and we pretty much no why.
Crank Angle Sensor...............well, since the rest of what Mr. Mystery wrote was spot on, I'm not going to challenge that either.
You could certainly have it tested if you think it's needed or just opt to by a new one. Don't think they are real expensive. Look at it this way............since you CAT is apparently covered, you saved $2500 or so!Do you know whats the part number for "Crank Angle Sensor"? and where to get it? I tried to find it online couldn't find anything!
10-12-2010, 08:36 AM
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my car is currently getting maintenance at the dealer today. P0302 issue, light keeps comin back on and starts flashing at 5000rpm. So they will be checkin the plugs and wires today. They already put in new coils. Also they are gonna get the crank angle sensor and injectors. Also do a Carbon Cleanup in the motor and redo the compression test "Cause they claim they lost my test results" which I think they lied and never even did a compression test...
10-12-2010, 08:55 AM
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my car is currently getting maintenance at the dealer today. P0302 issue, light keeps comin back on and starts flashing at 5000rpm. So they will be checkin the plugs and wires today. They already put in new coils. Also they are gonna get the crank angle sensor and injectors. Also do a Carbon Cleanup in the motor and redo the compression test "Cause they claim they lost my test results" which I think they lied and never even did a compression test...
how much the dealer is going to charge u? i hate it how the dealers making us replace this and that without even inspecting the part... anyways, about the Crack angle sensor, i think this is the part number: N3A1-18-221A but im not sure,.... does that work for rx8 04?
coils + plugs + crank angle sensor.... ok what else do i need to get?
hey last question, since u live in Canada just like I do, we do have that 8 yr/120000km warranty on our catalytic converters right? can u double check it with your dealer for me plz? thx man
10-12-2010, 09:03 AM
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it will, i had it replace when i bought the car last year. But they will only replace it if it needs to be replaced. I had a P0410 and it was a cat issue, and then they replace it. So far they havent been charging me for checking stuff so I dunno what they will find today. I feel like they arent doin much. Last thing i was charged for was the coils.
10-12-2010, 04:20 PM
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car is back from the shop, they said an unusual amout of carbon came out of my motor compared to other 8's they have seen. They claim to have checked plugs, wires, crank angle sensor, injectors and they say they are fine... He says he took the car for a drive and took it over 5000rpm and couldnt get the light to come on. He says the car seems to run better (more power). I dunno, im at work and the dad is pickin up the car for me. I will see how it is over the next few days to see if i can get the light back on. They didnt charge me a cent for havin my car in the shop all day. Hope this is the issue that was causing the misfire.
10-12-2010, 07:02 PM
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Leave them on the dash whenever you leave you car with someone.......even your parents, roommate, friends, wife, whomever!
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10-12-2010, 07:11 PM
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N3A1-18-221A Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor
Yes, that is correct if it's needed.
Here is one source........... http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...&siteid=214264
Here's another and cheaper......... http://www.finishlineperformance.com...cat=338&page=1
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Yes, that is correct if it's needed.
Here is one source........... http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...&siteid=214264
Here's another and cheaper......... http://www.finishlineperformance.com...cat=338&page=1
Dave
10-12-2010, 08:33 PM
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Mazurfer, LOL those are nice! What I was referring to, the Toronto people area would know because I busted it out fully laminated double sided at one of our meets locally. It's posted on facebook. Check it out:
I made it when I dropped the car off to the body shop to repair the rear bumper after I got hit by a truck.
Anyways, we all got a really good laugh at the meet!
I made it when I dropped the car off to the body shop to repair the rear bumper after I got hit by a truck.
Anyways, we all got a really good laugh at the meet!
10-12-2010, 10:02 PM
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N3A1-18-221A Eccentric Shaft Position Sensor
Yes, that is correct if it's needed.
Here is one source........... http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...&siteid=214264
Here's another and cheaper......... http://www.finishlineperformance.com...cat=338&page=1
Dave
Yes, that is correct if it's needed.
Here is one source........... http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...&siteid=214264
Here's another and cheaper......... http://www.finishlineperformance.com...cat=338&page=1
Dave
Thx, Mazurfer, hey do I really have to get Eccentric shaft position sensor too? or just give it a try with coils first and if not order that? like what do u suggest! im getting the "P0300 random missfire detected" error on the computer.... .
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hey btw i like the sign!! "WARNING ROTARY ENGINE!!"
DAMN IT! i should have printed like 20 of those and put on my windshield and hand them to all those idiots who painted my car.
They also did a shitty painting job man! Im finding out new freakin scratches on my car everytime, they painted on dust! you could see the paint on the dust!
Man like im so mad I just wanna go there and beat the **** out of every single one of those idiots ruined my car. Im going to call up insurance tomorrow ask them whats going to happen with this, cuz im not going to give them the check the insurance sent them!
anyways, sorry, im just abit frustrated with the situation....
DAMN IT! i should have printed like 20 of those and put on my windshield and hand them to all those idiots who painted my car.
They also did a shitty painting job man! Im finding out new freakin scratches on my car everytime, they painted on dust! you could see the paint on the dust!
Man like im so mad I just wanna go there and beat the **** out of every single one of those idiots ruined my car. Im going to call up insurance tomorrow ask them whats going to happen with this, cuz im not going to give them the check the insurance sent them!
anyways, sorry, im just abit frustrated with the situation....
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