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Old 03-14-2017, 04:23 AM   #26
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Still have my 05

For me it's a Viper, tho I'd take a Vette as well
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They're way worse replacements for the rx-8. The C7 GS is a great all rounder of a vette. Congrats.
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I replaced the RX-8 with a C7 too. You'll not miss the RX-8. The C7 is such an effortless car to drive. You can drive it fast, you can drive it slow, it is very analog and mechanical feeling. Like a bigger ND Miata.

I get 26 MPG in city and 30 on the highway.

I test drove the new Gen 6 Camaro before buying the Corvette. IMO this is the sports car to get if you're looking for a cheap modern replacement for the RX-8. There are insane amount of rebates from GM right now ($8k+ off on the Camaro SS). Even the base Camaro with the 2.0T engine will make you completely forget about the RX-8. Great chassis, great steering, great gearbox. Okay visibility is rubbish. You'll learn to trust the backup camera after the first week.
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Climacus, are those rebates on corvette for Canada? I know there are tons of deals in the US.
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Climacus, are those rebates on corvette for Canada? I know there are tons of deals in the US.
C7 prices are still stupid high in Canada. GM only imported 1200 units/year into Canada in 2014 and 2015, and around 2000 units since then. They kept the MSRP low in Canada after our dollar tanked, so there are no incentives on them, otherwise our cars will be cheaper than in the US.

There were some crazy deals last September when they were clearing out the 2016 models. A lot of these were optioned out automatic 3LTs with navigation, PDR, transparent roof (some cars were ordered with 2 roofs?!), stripes, etc. in the $90k range. So yes you could get a hefty discount, but the car was overpriced to begin with. That $63k base manual Corvette is basically a unicorn. Apparently only 25% of the C7 vettes are manual, but it feels even lower when you start shopping around, because the manuals are spread across the Z06, Grand Sports and convertibles.

Apparently there is a 3 months factory shutdown this summer to retool for the mid-engine Corvette. The 2017 will finish in June and then there will be no new cars until late September. IMO if you're thinking about scooping a 2017 deal, keep a close eye on the inventories at all the local dealerships and be ready to pounce. They will have received most of their 2017 by now, so you already know which dealership have which car. The manuals will go first, and then the low option LT1s and the Grand Sports. From what I heard if you can pull off a 10-15% discount during the end of year sale, you're doing very well. Unfortunately we don't get the crazy deals like they do in the US.

I opted to buy new instead of used because I can't figure out the used market here. The prices are all over the place. These cars are still crossing the block at fairly high prices due to their low mileage (most used models have < 4k miles). Once you add back the dealer profit + CPO, it is not that much cheaper than a brand new one.

I think the prices are going to crash eventually in Canada because most old geezers are buying Audi A7 or Tesla as toys nowadays. Most vettes are optioned out to $80k+ on the lot, but the traditioanl sports car market is more like $50k. So GM will have to start closing that gap to move the units.

IMO there is a pent up demand for these cars on the used market since a lot of C6 owners are dying to upgrade to the C7, but nobody is willing to pay over $40k for an used one. Also there are a lot of interests coming from younger owners this time around. A lot of 370Z, RX-8 or FRS owners would consider one if the price is right.

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I replaced the RX-8 with a C7 too. You'll not miss the RX-8. The C7 is such an effortless car to drive. You can drive it fast, you can drive it slow, it is very analog and mechanical feeling. Like a bigger ND Miata.

I get 26 MPG in city and 30 on the highway.
I'm only a couple of weeks in (just passed break-in) and I am amazed by it, not a creak anywhere, the suspension is so compliant (even in sport mode and 335/25/20 rear tires) yet the damn thing doesn't seem to have limits. Corners that make the 8 get all loose doesn't even phase this thing. I used to say the 8 has no understeer, but I have no words for this. Seats are amazing, brakes incredible, stupid power...

But I'm not getting your fuel economy, but then again I've always had it in sport mode to hear the dual mode exhaust and rev-match downshift on the 7M so it never sees 4cyl. mode. That new small block exhaust noise is over the top, but I will miss the engine noise from the 8 - nothing like that either.

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[QUOTE=climacus;4819130]C7 prices are still stupid high in Canada. GM only imported 1200 units/year into Canada in 2014 and 2015, and around 2000 units since then. They kept the MSRP low in Canada after our dollar tanked, so there are no incentives on them, otherwise our cars will be cheaper than in the US.

The US does get all the deals, but we now have 0%(48 months) and $1500 rebates as a starting point, which is good compared to previous years. Last year in the fall people were getting 10% off inventory on cash deals here too. Problem is, either path is only on existing inventory that's optioned to the max in most cases.
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yeah I saw the recent drop in finance rates too, interested in the Grand Sport 1LT to start... but looks like won;t be able to order one and get discounts at the same time.
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yeah I saw the recent drop in finance rates too, interested in the Grand Sport 1LT to start... but looks like won;t be able to order one and get discounts at the same time.
I've seen 2017 GS 1LTs but with the Z07 package (which is about 10G) with carbon brakes and cup 2 tires that wouldn't last 2 summers. So if you can find a 2017 GS 1LT without the Z07 package and these deals I'd say dive in.

Otherwise your waiting to order a 2018 which has no deals right now, but likely will in the winter again.
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Anyone who thinks an Rx-8 is better than a Grand Sport (or any C7 Vette) is full of themselves.

If they could afford one, they'd get one too..

I'd say get it, I've driven a C7 and it's an amazing car, handles great, sounds great, fast as hell.

In regards to your other question... I'm not an original Rx-8 owner but I've owned this one for roughly 6 years, invested 10s of thousands into it, and owned an '04 for 2-3 years.

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The C7 has been received very well by the public. And there's no doubt its a very capable sports car. I have a huge problem with the price though. Yes, we get shafted here in Canada, that's a given. But even in US pricing, I find the Vette very expensive.
I don't blame all these guys jumping on the Vette train.

If I was going to be in the market for a modern sports car, I'll wait till they debut the mid-engine Vette. I know for a fact the vehicle will have proper suspension all around. And there's very good insight they're going to do away with the push rod engines.
GM has to compete with Ford and their fabulous GT.

Things will turn interesting in the sports car front.

I'll be trading in my daily driver for a Tesla Model 3 in the near future.
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The C7 has been received very well by the public. And there's no doubt its a very capable sports car. I have a huge problem with the price though. Yes, we get shafted here in Canada, that's a given. But even in US pricing, I find the Vette very expensive.
I don't blame all these guys jumping on the Vette train.

If I was going to be in the market for a modern sports car, I'll wait till they debut the mid-engine Vette. I know for a fact the vehicle will have proper suspension all around. And there's very good insight they're going to do away with the push rod engines.
GM has to compete with Ford and their fabulous GT.

Things will turn interesting in the sports car front.

I'll be trading in my daily driver for a Tesla Model 3 in the near future.
Tesla eh? A friend of mine traded his 911 for a model S and loves it. I've driven both and think he's crazy. But to each his own.

If price is your issue than you'll hate the upcoming mid engine vette - if it happens at all - it certainly wont be at current prices. And I think the Ford GT that you're referring to is like 450$US...they got some ***** to ask that.

Considering where tested C7 lap times are, you'd have to spend tons more to beat it. In the case of the Z06, bring hypercar money.
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Tesla eh? A friend of mine traded his 911 for a model S and loves it. I've driven both and think he's crazy. But to each his own.

If price is your issue than you'll hate the upcoming mid engine vette - if it happens at all - it certainly wont be at current prices. And I think the Ford GT that you're referring to is like 450$US...they got some ***** to ask that.

Considering where tested C7 lap times are, you'd have to spend tons more to beat it. In the case of the Z06, bring hypercar money.
Not really fair to compare a 911 to a 4 door luxo barge. But for daily street use, I can see why he did the change over.
You gotta remember, to approach the same level of enjoyment you can get out of the 911, you'll have to risk yours and everyone elses lives on the road. You really need to take it to a track. Where as the Model S can be enjoyed for what it is. Never have to worry about maintenance.
Still not a very fair comparison.

Price and tech were always my issue with any version of the Vette. C7 included. Yes, the mid engine Vette is a long time coming, and I can confirm it's on the way since our company makes the dies that make the rear engine support/rear quarter panels.

Yes, the Ford GT is going for an extraordinary amount of money. But seeing as how its a halo car and a proper one since its raced and won, I think they can get away asking for 1/2 a mil for a copy.

Granted, bang for the buck, hard to beat the Vette for what it is. At that level of the game, you basically buy a car according to your preferences. Not to say any car you choose is "wrong", but personal preference places a considerable roll.
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Not sure why you think the Vette is overpriced. Have you checked how much a Lexus RC-F cost? That's basically the Japanese Corvette. The C7 was $57k in Canada in 2014 before our peso dropped 30%.
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Not really fair to compare a 911 to a 4 door luxo barge. But for daily street use, I can see why he did the change over.
You gotta remember, to approach the same level of enjoyment you can get out of the 911, you'll have to risk yours and everyone elses lives on the road. You really need to take it to a track. Where as the Model S can be enjoyed for what it is. Never have to worry about maintenance.
Still not a very fair comparison.

Price and tech were always my issue with any version of the Vette. C7 included. Yes, the mid engine Vette is a long time coming, and I can confirm it's on the way since our company makes the dies that make the rear engine support/rear quarter panels.

Yes, the Ford GT is going for an extraordinary amount of money. But seeing as how its a halo car and a proper one since its raced and won, I think they can get away asking for 1/2 a mil for a copy.

Granted, bang for the buck, hard to beat the Vette for what it is. At that level of the game, you basically buy a car according to your preferences. Not to say any car you choose is "wrong", but personal preference places a considerable roll.
Agreed 911 to Model S is apples to oranges, but I know which I'd rather drive. That's not to say the Model S wasn't impressive - if real world range wasn't an issue I'd take it over its competition (5 or 7 series, E or S class). But I think my friend pays an annual maintenance fee to keep his warranty valid - like 600 or 800 a year. BMW is free by comparison.

Both the vette and GT are raced (vette's leading this year) Team | WeatherTech SportsCar Championship I saw them last year at Watkins Glenn and only the small block chev sounded right to me - pure nascar - while the GT sounded blah, the Viper sounded like the truck engine that it is, even Ferrari (now that it's FI) sounded plain. The NA flat 6 always sounds good - that's my runner up, followed by the V10 Lambos.

I love the look of the Ford GT, but I hate that they're using the 3.5 ecoboost. Give me a bigger Voodoo engine in that thing and I'd see it differently!
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Not sure why you think the Vette is overpriced. Have you checked how much a Lexus RC-F cost? That's basically the Japanese Corvette. The C7 was $57k in Canada in 2014 before our peso dropped 30%.
57G's?!?! Ha!! That's rich. That's the super base model. Basically 4 tires and the steering wheel. On the road you're still looking at 65-68G's (depending on "fees" and taxes of course). Since then our peso has dropped considerably.

And again, you can't compare the RC-F to the Vette. 2 completely different vehicles. The RC-F is a grand tourer where the Vette is all out sports car.
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Agreed 911 to Model S is apples to oranges, but I know which I'd rather drive. That's not to say the Model S wasn't impressive - if real world range wasn't an issue I'd take it over its competition (5 or 7 series, E or S class). But I think my friend pays an annual maintenance fee to keep his warranty valid - like 600 or 800 a year. BMW is free by comparison.

Both the vette and GT are raced (vette's leading this year) Team | WeatherTech SportsCar Championship I saw them last year at Watkins Glenn and only the small block chev sounded right to me - pure nascar - while the GT sounded blah, the Viper sounded like the truck engine that it is, even Ferrari (now that it's FI) sounded plain. The NA flat 6 always sounds good - that's my runner up, followed by the V10 Lambos.

I love the look of the Ford GT, but I hate that they're using the 3.5 ecoboost. Give me a bigger Voodoo engine in that thing and I'd see it differently!
Clearly we're of a different mindset.
Yes, both the Vette and the GT race. However only the GT has ever won LeMans (at least from what memory serves me...)
And no, the Vette has the worst sound on the track. Sounds like a bunch of rumbling. Granted the Ecoboost doesn't sound any better, but nothing compares to the sound Ferrari's make. You can clearly make them out miles away.

I'm not sure how the new generation of "millionaire/billionaire"'s feel about Fords decision to make the new GT with their eco-boost. But with these trying times, I guess they had no choice.
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Yes, both the Vette and the GT race. However only the GT has ever won LeMans (at least from what memory serves me...)
The GT40 won the overall race back in the 60's, which is the last time Ford or any North American manufacturer did that.

Otherwise yes, the new Ford GT won its class in Le Mans last year (I think it's the GTE class) but the Corvette has won the same class at Le Mans several times (8 times I believe) since the factory started racing Corvettes again in 1999. It's actually unbelievable to me, since the vette is restricted to running about 150 less hp than the street car (Z06), plus the front engine configuration still seems competitive vs. all the exotica it's up against.
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The GT40 won the overall race back in the 60's, which is the last time Ford or any North American manufacturer did that.

Otherwise yes, the new Ford GT won its class in Le Mans last year (I think it's the GTE class) but the Corvette has won the same class at Le Mans several times (8 times I believe) since the factory started racing Corvettes again in 1999. It's actually unbelievable to me, since the vette is restricted to running about 150 less hp than the street car (Z06), plus the front engine configuration still seems competitive vs. all the exotica it's up against.
I'm sorry, I should've been more specific. I meant the GT (meaning the GT40) was the only one to ever win LeMans outright. Just to stick it to Ferrari since they backed out of the acquisition back in the day.

Nowadays a regular car can't win LeMans outright since the prototype class has gotten so good at finishing races. Wasn't the case all the time back in the day, but nowadays...
The Corvette ran their class because they were the only ones in that division for the longest time. I found it kinda funny they didn't compete in the lower class since alot of their main rivals were in that field. Alas, I don't know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of rules and regulations and what the car manufacturer wants to achieve.

Ever since the rules changed again to let more cars compete in certain divisions, the new GTE class now holds alot of main rivals. And all I see are Ford GT's along with the solo Ferrari in that class be in their top form time and time again.
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And no, the Vette has the worst sound on the track. Sounds like a bunch of rumbling. Granted the Ecoboost doesn't sound any better, but nothing compares to the sound Ferrari's make. You can clearly make them out miles away.
Just came across this...
Listen to a Corvette C7.R Shout Patriotic Songs at Monza
...sounds like rock n roll.

Yours...
...sounds like a gay bee.
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Just came across this...
Listen to a Corvette C7.R Shout Patriotic Songs at Monza
...sounds like rock n roll.

Yours...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_SUadPJGh8
...sounds like a gay bee.
Wait, hold up. Are you openly admitting the rotary sounds like a "gay bee"???

Yep, that c7 video you posted confirms exactly what I was saying. Sounds absolutely horrendous. Engine sounds stressed and doesn't rev anywhere near high enough to make an impact. Just sounds like a very badly tuned instrument. Might as well shout out " umerica!!!!"

On the other hand, the Ferrari soundtrack, although muffled a little due to the turbos, sounds more like a proper race engine.

I know its super hard to get the full impact of what these cars sound like over a video. Nothing beats the live soundtrack. But let me assure you, when you hear these suckers live, I guarantee you'll lean more and more towards the proper race engine.

Here are 2 examples of proper race engine soundtracks


(Hear how far out you can make out the 787b before you even start to see it. She sounds glorious!!!)
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But I'm not getting your fuel economy, but then again I've always had it in sport mode to hear the dual mode exhaust and rev-match downshift on the 7M so it never sees 4cyl. mode.
Hey there is a sale on the MGW short shifter this weekend (US memorial day), I'm ordering one.

As for MPG, I never use 4cyl mode either. You just need to go into 7th as soon as possible and watch the real-time MPG meter. In 6th gear I'd see 7-8L/100km, but go into 7th and suddenly you're getting 5-6L/100km. No acceleration to speak of in 7th, but it will cruise at 800 rpm all day long. It also turns you into an old dude in a Corvette and makes you drive really slow and calm, lol. I'm constantly being tailgated by impatient asso in SUVs while hypermiling in 7th.
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Hey there is a sale on the MGW short shifter this weekend (US memorial and day), I'm ordering one.

As for MPG, I never use 4cyl mode either. You just need to go into 7th as soon as possible and watch the real-time MPG meter. In 6th gear I'd see 7-8L/100km, but go into 7th and suddenly you're getting 5-6L/100km. No acceleration to speak of in 7th, but it will cruise at 800 rpm all day long. It also turns you into an old dude in a Corvette and makes you drive really slow and calm, lol. I'm constantly being tailgated by impatient asso in SUVs while hypermiling in 7th.
Cool! As a now former RX8 and Miata owner I can say the C7 tranny feel is stunningly good. So far other than a good cargo net there's nothing screaming at me in terms of needs. Yet. Just a tint and Expel so far.

Re. economy it's shockingly good for what it is, I agree.

I'm likely to go to the IMSA races at Mosport July 9th, maybe I'll see you there.
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Yep, that c7 video you posted confirms exactly what I was saying. Sounds absolutely horrendous. Engine sounds stressed and doesn't rev anywhere near high enough to make an impact. Just sounds like a very badly tuned instrument.
You and I clearly don't agree on anything...racing, sounds, gayness...

The engine sounds like the complete opposite of stress.

As for racing, you're getting a lot of wonky info - this is the pic of the Vette last week that was leading the top production based class (GT Pro) going into the last lap at Le Mans before getting a puncture. Aston Martin then the Ford GT ended up passing it for 1st and 2nd.



On the season in NA the Corvettes are still leading the top class this year.
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yeah that damn gravel pit done it in good in the last lap.
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