Lock & Load

KAS my motto is to always negotiate softly but always carry a big stick .

timbo

Kas -- I just saw this. Interesting. The 8 is my 6th *new* Mazda. From memory, I have never picked one up from the dealer with less than 20k on the clock because I am sure they are all supposed to have undergone at least a 10k test at factory before shipment. If your car missed that test.....!

Anyone else with views on this or similar experience with new Mazdas?

Timbo

Kev

My RX8 had about 7~9km I think at pickup time.

I'm not certain about 20km being the norm though.

My wife's Mazda 6 had over 50km on the odo. The car was sourced from a dealer in or near Gosford/Central Coast (NSW). I know my local dealer didn't take it joy riding - yes, I am casting doubt on the ethics of the Central Coast dealer.

Personally, I think the "throw on the trade plates and go for a whirl" game should be banned. It's not at all fair to the new car buyer. Who's to say a goon didn't drive KAS's car round the block and redline it cold? Hmm?

pricer01

Kas

My sympathies go out to you.. its a crappy situation but it seems that your approach is wise.

In the art of negtiation its wise to position your first claim so that there is some room to scale down your request to get what you really want but at the same time, not too big so as to provoke the other party to think you are greedy.

In this case, if you want free maintenance and loan cars for the life of the warranty then you would be best served asking for a bit more (window tinting, strakes, rotary accents or whatever). As the negotiations roll, you can show you are 'reasonable' by giving back a bit to show you will compromise.

The important part is to ensure that all parties are satified by 'leaving some cake on the table'

Greed is not good in negotiation

Good Luck Mate

Rob

Kas

Ok, a decision has been made.

In respect to confidentiality between Mazda and myself all I wish to say is that the result has been excellent and my two thumbs up to all involved at Mazda for their speedy and understanding approach.

Go Mazda! Zoom Zoom =)

timbo

Good shot, kas -- hope it is all making you feel good again about this great car

Timbo

Kev

This is what we like to hear!

Congrats kas

only don't tell us they shut you up by offering you a new engine with a super charger :D :D :D

Kas

haha I Wish.

I was actually talking to them how I will/would be doing the turbo conversion when the car hit 10,000kms and they insturcted me that the engine will not be able to handle that and it was never designed for it. They also said that the new RX-7 in 2005-2006 will be a tripple rotor 1.5lt making around 245Kw..

All in all, the result was great. Lets hope yours is with your car also Kev.

Lock & Load

Kas
Good to see your problem has been resolved , but why is mazda gagging you from telling us what happened to your engine.

Kas

They'd prefer confidentiality with the dealings we have had.

Hint: what engine?

sco

Good news... glad you are happy with the result. How soon will you be back on the road?

RobDickinson

Sorry that sounds wrong somewhere.

Current renasis is 2 rotor , 1.3 litre, 3 rotoes @ rx-8 size would be 2lt.

I heard it was going to be a 2 rotor, but slightly bigger - which may explain the 1.5ltr.

Kas

Thats arguable. You see, some call each rotor to be 1.3 lt, therfor a 13b would in theory be a 2.6 lt. However being a 1.5, would mean that its actually 4.5lt..make sense?

japfan

So will your refreshed RX8 make it to the meet on Sunday or are we going to see you fang around in a Mazda 2?

You can always "admire but dont touch" all our cars.

I also have an extra red leather coming as well as my poor blue one. I think that is 7 now

Kas

Nope, I wont be there. No car whatsoever at the moment.

I will wait for the next cruize scheduled for november/december when the new rx8 owners take delivery of the new shipment*

pricer01

Hooray for Consumer rights !!!

One tip, if they ask you to sign a release of any sort, its best if you doesn't impose any llimits on you re further and future claims.


The one nagging question this situation poses is if there were any symptoms of trouble in your 1400 km.

Rob

PS How long will you wait for your new car, I hear the current queue is 4 months long!

takahashi

IT is very wrong Kas. Each rotor of the RX8 only had 654 cc. Make it 1.3L in twin rotors. In fact it has 2 equv piston cycle to each rev. that equal to the capacity of 2.6L.

The way I think about that is one part of the rotary is exhausting - one piston action and on the other part of the rotary is injecting fuel - another piston... Am I right?

Kas

Each cycle is how much ? On erach cycle there is 3 explosions.

Kev

Don't forget there's a rotor spin to crank spin ratio.

So lets ask...

A) How many combustion cycles occur per actual crank revolution in a four cylinder 4 stroke engine???

I think it's 2

B) How many combustion cycles occur per actual crank revolution in a 2 rotor engine???

I think is 2 also (if the rotor to crank ration is 1 to 3.

Then the rotary uses all of it's displacement for every crank revolution, where the four stroke only uses half. So the scaling factor should be "2". (This relieves on the assumed 3 to 1 crank to rotor ratio)

Help me here, this is applied thinking, not acquired fact.

takahashi

You are confusing me..> It is only an academic excercise.

How can a piston has 2 combustion per cycle?... anyhow. I go and read the RX8 book again to understand the engine as people will ask me about how rotary engine works when they see my car

Kas

Imagine a triangle. It has 3 sides. Each side of the triangle has an action before completing a round trip. Meaning there is 3 explosions before a cycle is completed. Making sense?

Kev

A 4 stroke engine only produces power during the combustion stroke (induction,compression,combustion,exhaust)
or down,up,down,up - in this time, the crank shaft has turned twice.

A rotary goes bang,bang,bang in one revolution of the rotor and the crank shaft has been turned 3 times.

This is when I start turning to the white board

So for each bang (using the displacement of a "piston" area) one rotor in a rotary effectively turns the crank once, while a four stroke piston only gets a "bang" at the crank once every two revolutions.

Clear as mud?

takahashi

So how come people say the RX8 equv to a 2.6L four stroke then?

Kev

Because the maths works out that way.

Try imagining a four rotor wankel next to a four cylinder piston engine.

Both engines cranks are turning at the same speed. A stand alone piston fires once every two revolutions of the old four stroke, but on the rotary - each rotation of the crank shaft is only a one third movement of the rotor and one combustion.

Put simply, with the 3:1 rotor to crank ratio - the wankel is giving you twice as much use of your engine's displacement.

Hey, I'm not particularly good at explaining things - that's why I write software...

Hymee

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This is my 5th new Mazda, and none of them have had more than 10km on the clock. The first drive they get is out of the factory onto a ship. The second drive they get is off the ship. The marvels of modern quality production!

Cheers,
Hymee.