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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 12:01 AM
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there is an audi centre near work here in the city.
my mate works at an audi dealership in sydney
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 02:27 AM
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http://www.discountnewcars.com.au/Audi/

http://www.discountnewcars.com.au/Jaguar/
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 06:35 PM
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interior or exierior..
i have been in that 929 and the A4 is about the same size on the inside, and the A4 has a higher build quality.
I have been on the inside of both the A4 and the Mazda 6, and they seem similar in size to me. Meh, maybe I'm wrong about that.

Maybe Kall's Dad is just assuming the Mazda 6 is too small because he's thinking the 6 is the same size as the old 626. However, like most models, there is dimension creep over the years. Compare a current 3 series Bimmer to an older 5 series these days!
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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u mean to tell me my dad was right? that the jag is american?? he told me that and i didnt believe him lol
Well, owned by Americans anyway with quite a lot of Ford product in it from memory. As you go up the range it's more Jag than Ford, but it doesn't sound like he wants to pay for the bigger Jag's anyway.
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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the 929's *** is a bit longer which gives the misrepresentation that its bigger i think
That's what I'm getting at. The 6 actually has quite a big boot in the sedan, so he might to better to compare them side by side.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 04:29 PM
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Just getting back to the original topic Sorry Nick, but I came across Clarkson's review of the 335:

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...522579,00.html

As usual BMW claims that it’s an all-new car and that every panel is different from the saloon’s. But it still looks dull. You’d only really want to get inside it if you were being chased by an armed gang from Shining Path.

And then, when you did get inside, you’d want to get right back out again. In other coupés, from say, Alfa Romeo and Audi, you get all sorts of fancy bits and bobs, but not in the Beemer. Here you get exactly the same dash that you find in the saloon. It’s as dull and as featureless as the inside of a Cheeky Girl’s head.

At first glance, then, I could not — and would not — bring myself to buy this car. And certainly not for £33,420, which is a damn sight more than you’re asked to pay for a Mazda RX-8.

Yes, the rear seats in the BMW are as big as a sofa, and yes, the days when BMW made you pay extra for windows are gone. But even so, £33,420 for a car that doesn’t even look as good as a Hyundai? You’d have to be mad.

And there’s more to worry about, because although it says 335 on the back it doesn’t have a 3.5 litre engine. What you get instead is a 3 litre straight six, which is force-fed its diet of air by two small turbochargers.

On paper this sounds fine. Because they’re small, they don’t take an age to reach operating speed, which means there’s no turbo lag.


But because each one is feeding only three cylinders, you still have loads of power and loads of torque.

The worry is that BMW may have fallen into the same trap as Volkswagen, which tried a similar two-stage system on the Golf GT I reviewed recently. That didn’t work at all. It was horrid and jerky and pointless.

In the BMW, though, there are no problems at all. If you really, really concentrate you still cannot tell it’s turbocharged. Put your foot down and immediately there’s a meaty, almost diesel-esque shove in the back. But where a diesel would be out of puff after a moment or two, the Beemer just keeps on accelerating in a wall of subdued fury — for about nine and a half weeks.

This engine is little short of a masterpiece. There’s so much low-down grunt that even the BMW traction control system — a good one normally — is regularly woken from its electronic slumber by the wave of torque.

And of course it’s all fitted to a perfectly balanced chassis with the usual array of excellent steering, fine brakes and a nicely chosen balance between comfort and handling.

As a driver’s car, then, this is yet another winner. But I still wouldn’t buy one.

You need to think of it as a painting by the world’s greatest artist. Yes, the brush strokes are magnificent. Yes, the texture is superb. Yes, the perspective is world class and the detailing is better than you’d get from Leonardo.

But what he’s actually painted in this case is big dog turd.
Oh dear!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 04:56 PM
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In other words, great if you don't look at it too hard but love driving.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 05:01 PM
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move on Clarky.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
In other words, great if you don't look at it too hard but love driving.
I thought he was saying "why bother spending the extra cash when you can get an rx8 instead ... ".
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dbb
I thought he was saying "why bother spending the extra cash when you can get an rx8 instead ... ".
Umm, for the engine, chassis, steering, brakes and balance?

I think his reference to the RX8 was more a dig at the 335i's poor value for money and (in his opinion) dowdy looks (i.e. it's not twice as good as the RX8). Further, note the words "At first glance...".
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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I kind of like the way he writes about it! After all, he is the one person who has the ability to make or break a car in the UK ... he was probably a contributing factor in the fall of Rover. At the end of the day though, it's his opinion, I have my opinion, and y'all all have your opinions.

I reckon he's definately right about the styling, he's right about why people buy BMWs, and he's most definately right about that dashboard. But has anyone here actually driven a perfect car before? I severely doubt it even if you think you have. Even your upper echelon of cars have their drawbacks (apart from the abhor able cost of owning one).

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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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abhorable
abhorrent???
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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Well Clarkson has done a lot over the years to put automotive journalism on the map. I like the guy and enjoy his stuff. He thrives on being controversial and provocative, and loves a good throwaway line. The secret is that -almost always - there is at least a grain of truth in his most provocative statements.

I'm fine with the fact that he doesn't like the look of the car - there are plenty of people out there who feel coupes should look bolder (and let's not forget on Top Gear he trashed the appearance of the RX8 too, criticising its tail lights and calling its back window reminiscent of a Ford Anglia!!). Otherwise it seems to me he's been overwhelmingly positive about the 335i.

Clarkson does appear to make one factual error though. Like quite a few other journos before him, he implies its turbos are sequential. They are not, though they do each get fed by 3 cylinders. And I'm pretty sure the new Golf GT uses a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger. So not much of a point of reference then....

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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
abhorrent???
Either way it's repugnant ...
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NickG
Well Clarkson has done a lot over the years to put automotive journalism on the map. I like the guy and enjoy his stuff. He thrives on being controversial and provocative, and loves a good throwaway line. The secret is that -almost always - there is at least a grain of truth in his most provocative statements.

I'm fine with the fact that he doesn't like the look of the car - there are plenty of people out there who feel coupes should look bolder (and let's not forget on Top Gear he trashed the appearance of the RX8 too, criticising its tail lights and calling its back window reminiscent of a Ford Anglia!!). Otherwise it seems to me he's been overwhelmingly positive about the 335i.

Clarkson does appear to make one factual error though. Like quite a few other journos before him, he implies its turbos are sequential. They are not, though they do each get fed by 3 cylinders. And I'm pretty sure the new Golf GT uses a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger. So not much of a point of reference then....
He's not a tech wizard, and yes, that review is a positive. The thing about being human is that we always highlight the negative before the positive ... when we should always do brackets of addition before subtraction

All that matters is that you enjoy your car It's a sweet car!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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I think in Clarkson's case, this review is another of his "praised by faint damning"

When he really doesn't like a car, he never really writes about it until the last paragraph :D
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by timbo
I think in Clarkson's case, this review is another of his "praised by faint damning"

When he really doesn't like a car, he never really writes about it until the last paragraph :D
LOL so true!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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And I'm pretty sure the new Golf GT uses a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger.
Correct.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 09:38 PM
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and its 1.4 litres from memory.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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I thought you'd find it an interesting choice.

It actually occupies a very similar niche in the market to your Dad's 929 (when it was current). Upmarket largish Japanese car with an assortment of gadgets and styling that is reasonably appealing in a safe kind of way.
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