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07-19-2009, 08:57 PM
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Brake Pads
My brake pads are getting worn, so time for some new ones.
After a couple of sets of EBC Red Stuff Ceramics, which I've been pretty happy with, I thought it was time for a change, so I've ordered some MazdaSpeed units from OnlineMazdaParts. See how they go...
Anyone else use them?
After a couple of sets of EBC Red Stuff Ceramics, which I've been pretty happy with, I thought it was time for a change, so I've ordered some MazdaSpeed units from OnlineMazdaParts. See how they go...
Anyone else use them?
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07-19-2009, 10:06 PM
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I use the JDM Mazdaspeed ones from way back (when there is nothing good available). They are ok. Just very dusty.
US MazdaSpeed ones are likely not be the same as JDM MazdaSpeed. I wonder what they are.
MazdaSpeed JDM ones are non abestos pads with heat rating up to 600 degree.
US MazdaSpeed ones are likely not be the same as JDM MazdaSpeed. I wonder what they are.
MazdaSpeed JDM ones are non abestos pads with heat rating up to 600 degree.
07-20-2009, 01:29 AM
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I am running project Mu front disc and pads and rear discs are stock and PMu pads. So far they seem fine however, no extra ordinary jump in performance from stock. I guess it will withstand the track conditions better.
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07-20-2009, 01:57 AM
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I think your idea is a good one Dave! See how they go, I'm sure you'll report back with an analysis of what they're like.
Just for the record, I wasn't very happy with Project Mu. I think their operational capacity makes the experience too digital to be effective in situations outside of the track.
EBC Red Stuff is much better, but I'm not convinced they're the best match for our stock brake setup. I find for road use, they don't bite enough until they warm up ... and they squeel and shudder when reversing.
Just for the record, I wasn't very happy with Project Mu. I think their operational capacity makes the experience too digital to be effective in situations outside of the track.
EBC Red Stuff is much better, but I'm not convinced they're the best match for our stock brake setup. I find for road use, they don't bite enough until they warm up ... and they squeel and shudder when reversing.
07-20-2009, 02:06 AM
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My brake pads are getting worn, so time for some new ones.
After a couple of sets of EDC Red Stuff Ceramics, which I've been pretty happy with, I thought it was time for a change, so I've ordered some MazdaSpeed units from OnlineMazdaParts. See how they go...
Anyone else use them?
After a couple of sets of EDC Red Stuff Ceramics, which I've been pretty happy with, I thought it was time for a change, so I've ordered some MazdaSpeed units from OnlineMazdaParts. See how they go...
Anyone else use them?
07-20-2009, 02:28 AM
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I wouldn't bother replacing the rotors or calipers. Although not the prettiest examples of either, they work bloody well IMHO (and not just for OEM, I mean work well period) and have stood up well to repeated track days and hard driving over nearly 5 years now. I'd only replace them if they became worn or warped or something like that...
07-20-2009, 02:33 AM
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I think your idea is a good one Dave! See how they go, I'm sure you'll report back with an analysis of what they're like.
Just for the record, I wasn't very happy with Project Mu. I think their operational capacity makes the experience too digital to be effective in situations outside of the track.
EBC Red Stuff is much better, but I'm not convinced they're the best match for our stock brake setup. I find for road use, they don't bite enough until they warm up ... and they squeel and shudder when reversing.
Just for the record, I wasn't very happy with Project Mu. I think their operational capacity makes the experience too digital to be effective in situations outside of the track.
EBC Red Stuff is much better, but I'm not convinced they're the best match for our stock brake setup. I find for road use, they don't bite enough until they warm up ... and they squeel and shudder when reversing.
Having owned two sets of them, I've also never noticed any squeal or shudder from them at all, in either direction.
To be honest I would have been happy to get another set but thought it might be interesting to compare the MS units for a change. As you say, in the interests of discussion, I'll report back - probably after the Nats...
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07-20-2009, 03:00 AM
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I understand the point about Red Stuff's not biting too well when cold. However, as I tend to drive conservatively while still warming the engine up, I find this isn't a problem. By the time the engine is warm enough to allow more pace, the pads have also warmed up and are fine.
Having owned two sets of them, I've also never noticed any squeal or shudder from them at all, in either direction.
To be honest I would have been happy to get another set but thought it might be interesting to compare the MS units for a change. As you say, in the interests of discussion, I'll report back - probably after the Nats...
Having owned two sets of them, I've also never noticed any squeal or shudder from them at all, in either direction.
To be honest I would have been happy to get another set but thought it might be interesting to compare the MS units for a change. As you say, in the interests of discussion, I'll report back - probably after the Nats...
I know EBC Greenstuff performs much more evenly over a larger spectrum of temperatures and is suitable for track work but I don't like replacing rotors more often than my brake pads.
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07-20-2009, 04:20 AM
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not sure why, then you can go back to stock.I am look at the pad that is opposite to EBC, which is crap when they are cold, score your rotor and finish the last 20% awfully quickly (on the track).
What do I know about brake pads really
Nate,
Greenstuff has a lower temp range and will melt on the track. My mate finished a brand new set within 2 laps of Sandown in his R34 GTR - his lesson was learnt.
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07-20-2009, 05:44 PM
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Be careful assuming that ALL project Mu's are really good. I got a set that were relatively cheap project Mu's (Bespoke something I think they are) and they are hardly better than stock. The Project Mu's that are the good ones are the HC+ Pads I am told.
07-20-2009, 06:57 PM
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B spec matt... They are road use only.
HC+ is good all rounder while similar pad like the new Co-mu pads are for radial tyres only and more leaning towards street driving. They are 0-650 degree carbon metal pads but give less dust and noise compare with HC+
More hardcore pads are available. I have a set of Racing 999 that I never use - or ever use because they are just too hardcore - for showroom only ^^
The slightly hardcore version is the Level max and 900 is the one to get although Level max 700 I suspect will be enough.
HC+ is good all rounder while similar pad like the new Co-mu pads are for radial tyres only and more leaning towards street driving. They are 0-650 degree carbon metal pads but give less dust and noise compare with HC+
More hardcore pads are available. I have a set of Racing 999 that I never use - or ever use because they are just too hardcore - for showroom only ^^
The slightly hardcore version is the Level max and 900 is the one to get although Level max 700 I suspect will be enough.
07-20-2009, 07:08 PM
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Look at what you have started Dave............
Will be interested in what you think of the Mazdaspeed ones and interesting Taka's comment that the JDM probably different to the USA spec - I thought they would have been the same.
For the record I use Endless MX72 temp range 50 - 600C friction .37 - .47. I quite like them perfectly OK for road and allow confidence when tracking. Only really dusty at the track. Used to have Endless ceramics which I think only went up to 500C but nowhere the initial bite as the MX72 and very very clean - hardly had to clean the wheels . Being Endless neither one are cheap though.......
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Will be interested in what you think of the Mazdaspeed ones and interesting Taka's comment that the JDM probably different to the USA spec - I thought they would have been the same.
For the record I use Endless MX72 temp range 50 - 600C friction .37 - .47. I quite like them perfectly OK for road and allow confidence when tracking. Only really dusty at the track. Used to have Endless ceramics which I think only went up to 500C but nowhere the initial bite as the MX72 and very very clean - hardly had to clean the wheels . Being Endless neither one are cheap though.......
Cheers
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07-20-2009, 07:14 PM
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i've had the mazdaspeed on for a few events now and feel like they do perform better than stock. they're dusty but not more than oem i'd say. i've tried them on both autox and track and was happy enough. 
expensive though.. 265 shipped for front and rear
expensive though.. 265 shipped for front and rear
07-20-2009, 11:23 PM
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You have to be careful with pads that run hotter as the stock discs may wear out faster or warp. I had a bad warp in my rear discs just from track use. I was also very careful and did not apply the handbrake after each track session.
Someone, recently told be to roll the car forward occasionally so the hot pads don't warp the discs.
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Someone, recently told be to roll the car forward occasionally so the hot pads don't warp the discs.
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07-20-2009, 11:56 PM
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As for being crap when cold, they do pull you up ok but just not as well when warm. Mind you, the same goes for the oil in my gear box and my tyres. When they all warm up, the car is great - till then you're dumb to push it anyway (dafty's aside, lol).
As for the "last 20%", I've found them very progressive and to be honest I'd have thought if you're not stopping by the last 20% you'd want to! This is the sort of analysis which is subjective in my view. Different people like different things, depending on how they drive.
07-21-2009, 12:01 AM
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I'm not that bothered by dust - it's nearly unavoidable. My wheels are black after a track day with EBC's, so if the MS pads produce similar, c'est la vie - I'm more interested in performance and avoiding squeal, etc.
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You have to be careful with pads that run hotter as the stock discs may wear out faster or warp. I had a bad warp in my rear discs just from track use. I was also very careful and did not apply the handbrake after each track session.
Someone, recently told be to roll the car forward occasionally so the hot pads don't warp the discs.
skc
Someone, recently told be to roll the car forward occasionally so the hot pads don't warp the discs.
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07-21-2009, 02:09 AM
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Yes they have been different from many products.
For start the front strut bar is 2 point in US and 4 points in Japan. And they have cold air intake that Japan does not have in their inventory. I am talking about MazdaSpeed department.
Also the MazdaSpeed aero kit is prepainted in Japan and not painted in US.
07-21-2009, 02:12 AM
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As for the "last 20%", I've found them very progressive and to be honest I'd have thought if you're not stopping by the last 20% you'd want to! This is the sort of analysis which is subjective in my view. Different people like different things, depending on how they drive.