Hood Ventilation Ideas
08-01-2007, 09:46 AM
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Hood Ventilation Ideas
After a day elaborating on the topic, and with MM's help, I settled on an inexpensive, or rather completely expense FREE solution:
1. Remove the rubber seal in the back of the engine compartment.
2. Install a pair of 3/4" tall by 1/2 wide plastic blocks (I just glued them into the two off center holes on the panel where the rubber seal used to be mounted)
Close the hood. There will be a very slight resistance as you are locking the hood. That is because the rear portion of your hood cover is pushed up to enlarge the opening. If you look at the hood from inside the car you'll see now that there is about a half inch tall opening all across the width of the hood. If you look at it from the outside, you'll see no difference, and no misalignments.
This hefty little mod helps to reduce your under-hood temps by quite a bit and costs nothing.
Happy modding everyone.
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I was looking into the vented hood ideal lately.
i really do like the looks of stock RX8, and don't want to change anything, especially the hood. I also am reluctant making permanent changes to the stock parts. (cutting holes in the hood). somewhere on the forums here i had read that people install a bunch of washers under the hood hinges, thus raising the back side of it, and creating an opening there, so the hot air could escape. But that creates a permanent opening. probably looks ugly too.
What i am thinking is to fabricate a little servo mechanism, that is tied into the my Int-X auxiliary output or just the temp sensor, and razes the hood hinges automatically based on the coolant temperature. as soon is the temp gets above a predefined threshold, the servo lifts up the rear portion of the hood, creating an opening to let the hot air out, thus increasing the airflow through the hood and the radiator.
when the engine is back to normal temp, the hood lowers itself. engine off: and the car is back to normal. no misalignments.
Basically what i am looking for as far as your guys input is concerned is the following.
Do you know of any ready to go parts, that can be used for something like this? if not, then i am open to ideas as far as what i need for a motor, and what other electronics i may want to consider using to get the thing working.
So far this is just my idea. I have not given it any more thought than what I had done to this point, so it is not a certainty that this can even be done, but on the other hand why not?
1. Remove the rubber seal in the back of the engine compartment.
2. Install a pair of 3/4" tall by 1/2 wide plastic blocks (I just glued them into the two off center holes on the panel where the rubber seal used to be mounted)
Close the hood. There will be a very slight resistance as you are locking the hood. That is because the rear portion of your hood cover is pushed up to enlarge the opening. If you look at the hood from inside the car you'll see now that there is about a half inch tall opening all across the width of the hood. If you look at it from the outside, you'll see no difference, and no misalignments.
This hefty little mod helps to reduce your under-hood temps by quite a bit and costs nothing.
Happy modding everyone.
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Original post
************************************************** *********
I was looking into the vented hood ideal lately.
i really do like the looks of stock RX8, and don't want to change anything, especially the hood. I also am reluctant making permanent changes to the stock parts. (cutting holes in the hood). somewhere on the forums here i had read that people install a bunch of washers under the hood hinges, thus raising the back side of it, and creating an opening there, so the hot air could escape. But that creates a permanent opening. probably looks ugly too.
What i am thinking is to fabricate a little servo mechanism, that is tied into the my Int-X auxiliary output or just the temp sensor, and razes the hood hinges automatically based on the coolant temperature. as soon is the temp gets above a predefined threshold, the servo lifts up the rear portion of the hood, creating an opening to let the hot air out, thus increasing the airflow through the hood and the radiator.
when the engine is back to normal temp, the hood lowers itself. engine off: and the car is back to normal. no misalignments.
Basically what i am looking for as far as your guys input is concerned is the following.
Do you know of any ready to go parts, that can be used for something like this? if not, then i am open to ideas as far as what i need for a motor, and what other electronics i may want to consider using to get the thing working.
So far this is just my idea. I have not given it any more thought than what I had done to this point, so it is not a certainty that this can even be done, but on the other hand why not?
Last edited by rotorocks; 08-02-2007 at 08:44 AM. Reason: Updating the content of the original post with the resolution
08-01-2007, 10:06 AM
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you have skills, so i won't say it'll be impossible but i'm not sure it'll be worth your time... i don't know where you're going to find lifting mechanism that'll allow the hood the open properly and flush the hood with stock fender heights. obviously something custom... imho, i think the best way would be to use two tiny airbags that's hooked up to the wastegate or bov with some sort of timer/pressure valve. for example, it'll go up only when you're boosting into 7psi+ 
if you can do it, please make us a solid (not airbag) actuated lift to raise/lower the car a few inches. i know two things that'll happen then... you'll make tons of money, and you'll be our hero!
if you can do it, please make us a solid (not airbag) actuated lift to raise/lower the car a few inches. i know two things that'll happen then... you'll make tons of money, and you'll be our hero!
08-01-2007, 10:11 AM
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I was looking into the vented hood ideal lately.
i really do like the looks of stock RX8, and don't want to change anything, especially the hood. I also am reluctant making permanent changes to the stock parts. (cutting holes in the hood). somewhere on the forums here i had read that people install a bunch of washers under the hood hinges, thus raising the back side of it, and creating an opening there, so the hot air could escape. But that creates a permanent opening. probably looks ugly too.
What i am thinking is to fabricate a little servo mechanism, that is tied into the my Int-X auxiliary output or just the temp sensor, and razes the hood hinges automatically based on the coolant temperature. as soon is the temp gets above a predefined threshold, the servo lifts up the rear portion of the hood, creating an opening to let the hot air out, thus increasing the airflow through the hood and the radiator.
when the engine is back to normal temp, the hood lowers itself. engine off: and the car is back to normal. no misalignments.
Basically what i am looking for as far as your guys input is concerned is the following.
Do you know of any ready to go parts, that can be used for something like this? if not, then i am open to ideas as far as what i need for a motor, and what other electronics i may want to consider using to get the thing working.
So far this is just my idea. I have not given it any more thought than what I had done to this point, so it is not a certainty that this can even be done, but on the other hand why not?
i really do like the looks of stock RX8, and don't want to change anything, especially the hood. I also am reluctant making permanent changes to the stock parts. (cutting holes in the hood). somewhere on the forums here i had read that people install a bunch of washers under the hood hinges, thus raising the back side of it, and creating an opening there, so the hot air could escape. But that creates a permanent opening. probably looks ugly too.
What i am thinking is to fabricate a little servo mechanism, that is tied into the my Int-X auxiliary output or just the temp sensor, and razes the hood hinges automatically based on the coolant temperature. as soon is the temp gets above a predefined threshold, the servo lifts up the rear portion of the hood, creating an opening to let the hot air out, thus increasing the airflow through the hood and the radiator.
when the engine is back to normal temp, the hood lowers itself. engine off: and the car is back to normal. no misalignments.
Basically what i am looking for as far as your guys input is concerned is the following.
Do you know of any ready to go parts, that can be used for something like this? if not, then i am open to ideas as far as what i need for a motor, and what other electronics i may want to consider using to get the thing working.
So far this is just my idea. I have not given it any more thought than what I had done to this point, so it is not a certainty that this can even be done, but on the other hand why not?
What about putting in mesh style vents - ala Lancer Evolution - where the triangle rotor shape is? Was actually discussing that about 2 months ago with another 8 owner...reason being is that when it rains all the water remains stagnant in the indentation, so maybe that would be a good place to promote airflow from the engine bay and over the hood...but I may be thinking about promoting airflow there wrong...
08-01-2007, 10:20 AM
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Man, this sounds overly complicated...
What about putting in mesh style vents - ala Lancer Evolution - where the triangle rotor shape is? Was actually discussing that about 2 months ago with another 8 owner...reason being is that when it rains all the water remains stagnant in the indentation, so maybe that would be a good place to promote airflow from the engine bay and over the hood...but I may be thinking about promoting airflow there wrong...
What about putting in mesh style vents - ala Lancer Evolution - where the triangle rotor shape is? Was actually discussing that about 2 months ago with another 8 owner...reason being is that when it rains all the water remains stagnant in the indentation, so maybe that would be a good place to promote airflow from the engine bay and over the hood...but I may be thinking about promoting airflow there wrong...
Also, regardless of where you install the vents on the hood, when moving at speeds, the ventilation will likely work, as there is positive air pressure inside the engine compartment due to the air pushed in through the front. and off course it will freely escape when the car is not moving.
Stick, what is the point of raising the car? what are you trying to accomplish? turn it into an off road? :-)
08-01-2007, 10:41 AM
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i'd love to pull into a new restaurant one evening and not worry about cracking my bumper... so would about thousands of others. +million other reasons but i'm afraid off-roading wasn't what i had in mind hehe
if you do make it, please make sure that it won't affect the handling.
but i'm afraid off-roading wasn't what i had in mind heheif you do make it, please make sure that it won't affect the handling.
08-01-2007, 10:58 AM
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I've seen in the past some hoods come with a vaccum controlled ram air. It might not be totaly what your looking for, but it was pretty cool cause it only popped open when you were on the throttle and when you let off it the throttle the Vac of the motor pulled it closed.
08-01-2007, 10:59 AM
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I do like the idea of using a vac or pressure actuator(s) to raise the hood.
Never thought of it that way, but it most sertanly is much more elegant than trying to fit a motor into this.
Never thought of it that way, but it most sertanly is much more elegant than trying to fit a motor into this.
08-01-2007, 11:11 AM
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I mean it does not over hit, but it sometimes gets close, and that is what I am trying to eliminate.
08-01-2007, 11:53 AM
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Yeah I know, was just bringing it up. You could use something like that and over ride the system to bleed the vac off at temps but that might be alot of work.
I for along time have been looking into cutting the hood up to lower temps. I record over 160deg under hood temps all the time in 85-90deg weather after sitting for a few min. I'm still n/a I want to go forced but not till I can bleed off some of that heat.
I for along time have been looking into cutting the hood up to lower temps. I record over 160deg under hood temps all the time in 85-90deg weather after sitting for a few min. I'm still n/a I want to go forced but not till I can bleed off some of that heat.
08-01-2007, 12:01 PM
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Also as I put in the other thread.
"Get a bunch of yarn and cut it in to like 6inch pc then tape them all over your hood, tape towards the glass, yarn towards the headlights and go for a drive. Then you can really see what the air is doing over the hood of the car."
I'd really suggest that before anyone goes to buy a vented hood or add vents unless they just want looks or cooling while sitting.
I've also been looking into the idea of getting something like those e-turbos and using them to force air out of the bay.
"Get a bunch of yarn and cut it in to like 6inch pc then tape them all over your hood, tape towards the glass, yarn towards the headlights and go for a drive. Then you can really see what the air is doing over the hood of the car."
I'd really suggest that before anyone goes to buy a vented hood or add vents unless they just want looks or cooling while sitting.
I've also been looking into the idea of getting something like those e-turbos and using them to force air out of the bay.
08-01-2007, 12:08 PM
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if you lift the hood at speed, air will go in (because of the high pressure area at the base of the windshield with leads to things historically like "cowl industion" intake systems) rather then air go out of the engine compartment... which would probably hurt things more then help
...not to mention if it would work somehow, you'll be venting engine comparment air into your HVAC system
...not to mention if it would work somehow, you'll be venting engine comparment air into your HVAC system
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08-01-2007, 12:23 PM
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Anyone have any ideas how high the pressure gets at the base of the windshield?
I will do the experiment today. i will disconnect my boost gauge from the throttle body, and leave the hose loose in the engine compartment, and monitor the air pressure inside there while driving home.
If anyone could do the same but affix the boost gage hose at the base of the windshield and drive 80 mph and report, I'd appreciate that. if not, I'll do that myself on another day.
Basically I want to compare the pressure on the outside (at the base of the windshield, and on the inside) with the idea, that if the inside pressure is higher, I've got myself a project, otherwise there is no point in trying that.
Meanwhile, I looked at the hinges, and how they are setup on the car, and i think given the amount of space there, I could possibly get away with two little hydrolic actuators, and a solenoid.
The idea is to use the engine oil pressure to lift the hood, while controlling it with the solenoid.
I am also considering to make it a Kit, if there is enough interest off course.
I will do the experiment today. i will disconnect my boost gauge from the throttle body, and leave the hose loose in the engine compartment, and monitor the air pressure inside there while driving home.
If anyone could do the same but affix the boost gage hose at the base of the windshield and drive 80 mph and report, I'd appreciate that. if not, I'll do that myself on another day.
Basically I want to compare the pressure on the outside (at the base of the windshield, and on the inside) with the idea, that if the inside pressure is higher, I've got myself a project, otherwise there is no point in trying that.
Meanwhile, I looked at the hinges, and how they are setup on the car, and i think given the amount of space there, I could possibly get away with two little hydrolic actuators, and a solenoid.
The idea is to use the engine oil pressure to lift the hood, while controlling it with the solenoid.
I am also considering to make it a Kit, if there is enough interest off course.
08-01-2007, 12:34 PM
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So what.....
The pressure won't even MOVE a boost gauge!
You would need a much more sensitive gauge like a magnehelic, it will be in the "millimeters of water" area.....
The "high" pressure area is only at the center of the hood, once you get outside the wipers, it is a low pressure again, so lifting the rear of the hood would allow air out at the edges, but air would flow in around the middle.....
S
You would need a much more sensitive gauge like a magnehelic, it will be in the "millimeters of water" area.....
The "high" pressure area is only at the center of the hood, once you get outside the wipers, it is a low pressure again, so lifting the rear of the hood would allow air out at the edges, but air would flow in around the middle.....
S
08-01-2007, 12:42 PM
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I am pretty sure that at 80 MPH, I'll see that arrow move a little. Think of all that air being pushed into your engine compartment with nowhere to get out...
Besides, i don't have a gauge like that anyway, but I would appreciate the input from anyone who does.
08-01-2007, 12:51 PM
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No problem, I have 3, I'll try the pressure inside and out, when I get a chance.
Ram air IS mostly hype, you won't gain even 1/2 a psi.....
The air being rammed thru the rad has LOADS of space to get out, thru the bottom, past the tranny. The only advantage to a vented hood would be in slow traffic or at a stop, to prevent the exhaust heat coming up to the top of the compartment and just soaking there.
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Ram air IS mostly hype, you won't gain even 1/2 a psi.....
The air being rammed thru the rad has LOADS of space to get out, thru the bottom, past the tranny. The only advantage to a vented hood would be in slow traffic or at a stop, to prevent the exhaust heat coming up to the top of the compartment and just soaking there.
S
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It's hard to even hit 1 psi blowing into a pipe hooked to the boost gague and thats giving the air no other place to go.
If you look at Nascars they all (unless they changed it) get the air for the motors intake right off the the center of the windsheild, but thats at alot higher speeds.
If you look at Nascars they all (unless they changed it) get the air for the motors intake right off the the center of the windsheild, but thats at alot higher speeds.
08-01-2007, 12:59 PM
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No problem, I have 3, I'll try the pressure inside and out, when I get a chance.
Ram air IS mostly hype, you won't gain even 1/2 a psi.....
The air being rammed thru the rad has LOADS of space to get out, thru the bottom, past the tranny. The only advantage to a vented hood would be in slow traffic or at a stop, to prevent the exhaust heat coming up to the top of the compartment and just soaking there.
S
Ram air IS mostly hype, you won't gain even 1/2 a psi.....
The air being rammed thru the rad has LOADS of space to get out, thru the bottom, past the tranny. The only advantage to a vented hood would be in slow traffic or at a stop, to prevent the exhaust heat coming up to the top of the compartment and just soaking there.
S
I'd appreciate the results of that.
well yes this is actually the main thing that bothers me. at idles, in FL sun and hit, it just gets too hot. Once I start moving the temps reduce. When i turn up the AC, the temps also stay at bay, as the AC on the position 2 and 3 will activate the cooling vents with it. But I don't want to run my AC on high speed all the time. it is annoying.
Plus just want to build something cool :-)
It's hard to even hit 1 psi blowing into a pipe hooked to the boost gague and thats giving the air no other place to go.
If you look at Nascars they all (unless they changed it) get the air for the motors intake right off the the center of the windsheild, but thats at alot higher speeds.
If you look at Nascars they all (unless they changed it) get the air for the motors intake right off the the center of the windsheild, but thats at alot higher speeds.
You might be right. Cant argue with you as i just don't have the facts.
We won't know for sure until we do. Won't we? :-)
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08-01-2007, 01:30 PM
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What about venting/ducting the base of the hood where the wipers seat? Instead of raising the hood just provide some ducting out at the back. You can locate it based on your pressure readings and where the stagnation pressure is lowest. You may have to do some cutting in your firewall and fab up some ducting or just mesh screens to keep the leaves and rodents out.
My second thought is you can buy a vented hood for around 600-700 from the forum vendors and swap it out and measure the differences to see if the straight venting helps any vs. stock. That way you can keep your pretty stock hood.
My second thought is you can buy a vented hood for around 600-700 from the forum vendors and swap it out and measure the differences to see if the straight venting helps any vs. stock. That way you can keep your pretty stock hood.
08-01-2007, 01:46 PM
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What about venting/ducting the base of the hood where the wipers seat? Instead of raising the hood just provide some ducting out at the back. You can locate it based on your pressure readings and where the stagnation pressure is lowest. You may have to do some cutting in your firewall and fab up some ducting or just mesh screens to keep the leaves and rodents out.
My second thought is you can buy a vented hood for around 600-700 from the forum vendors and swap it out and measure the differences to see if the straight venting helps any vs. stock. That way you can keep your pretty stock hood.
My second thought is you can buy a vented hood for around 600-700 from the forum vendors and swap it out and measure the differences to see if the straight venting helps any vs. stock. That way you can keep your pretty stock hood.
08-01-2007, 03:10 PM
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Honeywell makes several damper motors and a modulation motors. Check a boiler supply company or building controls supplier. Some of the torqes go to 300psi. There are all types of input drivers for them also. Get a Honeywell tradeline cat. and look in there. Please post your results.
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