-8 HP? I don't think so, it's more like -20 HP

 

I doubt it - the 2001 Miata price wasn't revised AFAIK - if folks still wanted one at the revised power, they still paid the same price.

 

I second this, i have a deposit on one to arrive any day now and I'm trying to figure out my options. But I missed where "Tuesday" shows up in this thread. Can someone clarify?

 

Allegedly it has to be delivered by then for you to get the new deal.

 

250hp > 247hp > 238hp = 12hp...the dyno's are saying more, however...

 

Once I get my letter, I will have to think about it but not because the car is lacking, I like the car.

 

Don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but.. my "guess" is that if you have not yet purchased the car, you probably will not be included on the free service/$500 compensation package. You have the option of NOT buying the car, knowing this data now.

Just looking at this from a legal aspect. JMO

Also, I'm not holding my breath until I get this letter from Mazda. No offense to anyone here, but this IS just heresay at this point.

 

For the umpteenth time: they never claimed 250hp. The original estimate was 250ps - a Japanese standard which is the same as 247hp. The admitted deficit is 247-238=9hp, or 3.6%.

 

Here we go again, 3 threads talking about the exact same subject. But I agree with the other cloned thread that if it's due to an emissions adjustment, we can easily regain HP with a chip mod in the near future.

 

Im going to keep my 8. But my question is. Can $500 buy 9hp??

 

Hey gang, I'm back
First let me say I'm a little surprised at some of your reactions. It's the same car that you purchased and more than likely drove before you purchased and were obviously pleased with or you wouldn't have purchased it. You will be getting 4yrs or 50,000 miles of free service and $500 to boot. And if your really angry over the numbers, Mazda will buy it back from you. It's a no lose situation for you. This will also apply to anyone that has a vehicle on order and hasn't taken delivery. Just make sure your dealer gets your info to Mazda if its not in the Mazda system already. Personally, I think the car is a blast to drive whether they say it has 250 hp or 150 hp. Have fun with the car while your making your decision!

 

__________________________________________________ __Don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but.. my "guess" is that if you have not yet purchased the car, you probably will not be included on the free service/$500 compensation package. You have the option of NOT buying the car, knowing this data now.

Just looking at this from a legal aspect. JMO
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Depends on what "purchase" means, I'm going to my dealer when I get off work to do whatever I can to qualify.

 

I am slightly disappointed. Would I have like to have had more power there? Sure, who wouldn't. But, I feel the power is great enough for me. Although I haven't driven my car yet, their are plenty of owners that have said that the power available is plenty enough for them. Even with the missing hp, this car would be one of the quickest I have ever owned (along with my '69 Camaro). With that said, because of the performance already, I won't be selling the car back.

Would I have still bought the car if I would have known it would be 238 HP? Probably. I'm not into the numbers game anyway. Do I think that the car should have been priced lower because of that? Most definately. The free scheduled maintenance will help in that regard, although along with the $500 debit card, it is not enough, IMO.

I do think there is room for added HP from modifications. If I'm not mistaken, the concept RX-EVOLV with the same engine was 280 HP at the flywheel. So there is 42 HP that is obtainable in some fashion. If sometime in the future I feel I need more power, I'm sure there will be ECU, Exhaust, Forced Air, etc, mods out there if I need it.

 

I stand corrected.

Hey Buda, any idea on timeframe for these letters to start showing up?

 

You may be right Mr. Ultimate Pessimist.

At 238 hp their originally projected 17% rwhp loss comes out to 197.5 HP.

Add that extra 5% tolerance (22%) to that and you have rwhp @ 185.6, very close to the dyno results.

 

OK, I have a question how this will apply to me ( ).

I paid extra for the warranty, which I still want, but part of the "commercial" description for why we should get that warranty was that it came with free maintenance for the entire time.

Do you think I should expect to get extra $$ to cover the extra maintenance, get screwed, or get some $$ back from the warranty contract?

 

Aye aye to that!! Until I receive my letter I wont even think about this. All in all I just hope that this does not hurt Mazda or the possible birth of the RX-7.

 

I'm not overly concerned with the numbers either, but it seems odd now that a 238 or 189 hp dynoed car sucks gas as it does?

Come on, something is up with the ECU, I'm not sure why / how but I'm sure something could be done. I'm sure the lower HP from the Evolv is for emissions AND for longevity. This engine had to be SOLID and giving it 280Hp might be taxing it for the everyday user that won't use that power.


If we do get the same deal in Canada, we'll get screwed even more than the $500 cdn to USD difference (approx $200) because we only have 3 year warranty on the car!

And as someone else asked, does that include ALL maintenance. IE, replace / change of air filter at 40,000Km check fuel filter etc. The "BIG" services are rather expensive!

 

omg this is unbelievable. how the ****?!?!!? i would think with the miata fiasco, mazda woulda learn they lesson. guess not. now the reason for the 1-2 month for the delay was because they wanted to double and triple check the power of the rx8 because they didnt want another miata bust. and all that testing resulted to nothing. it went from 250 to 247 to 238, what the hell???

well i guess there is some good to come of this.

i get 500$ debit card(woulda prefered cash but whatevers)

and get free schdeuedled maintance for 4 years. whatever that means, oil change? tires? tune ups?

 

if you can see that (it's kinda blurry) it clearly shows 250hp...this is from Maxim Magazine, US...i also have seen 250hp on billboards and other publications...also the website was at 250hp when i ordered and suddenly went down to 247hp...so NO, i'm not hallucinating..

 

The letters should start going out Monday. As far as the extended warranties, those are not issued by MNAO, they are issued by private companies or in some instances mazda credit and the free scheduled maint. won't apply once the factory 4/50000 warranty expires.

 

Just got off the horn with the Parts and Service Manager at Mazda South, who had just got off the phone with one of his technical contacts at Mazda. Apparently, Mazda dyno'd 11 cars (or the engines from 11 cars - not sure) and has used the the average power outputs from those cars as the revised official specs.

Interestingly, he said that these numbers were as good or better than those achieved by the pre-production cars that were used by the various magazines and press days. So the production cars are still just as capable of the performance figures achieved by the testers - it's just the actual hp number that's down from what was claimed.

He also said that Mazda was obliged to do something because the claimed hp numbers are printed on the window stickers - if they had only been used in advertising material, they would have been subject to a wider margin or error. (Or words to that effect.)

 

Excuse my ignorance but who is "budaman" and why would Mazda corporate break this news to him in a conference call?

 

I get enough of this $hit from our politicians. I don't need it from my beloved car company as well!!!

I think this is absolutely rediculous! How can they do this AGAIN!?!

I love the car and will keep it regardless, but I'm incredibly disappointed in Mazda....

 

From their own documentation, Jon..............