The myth of the DSC OFF switch
07-12-2006, 09:08 PM
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WOW, 6 pages of this stuff and you guys are still confused about it...
Who cares? Really!
Just drive the car. And if you want total control with no computer imput, just hold the button down for 7sec. or so and let her scream. End of story.
no abs, ebc, etc...
GOSH!
Who cares? Really!
Just drive the car. And if you want total control with no computer imput, just hold the button down for 7sec. or so and let her scream. End of story.
no abs, ebc, etc...
GOSH!
07-12-2006, 09:14 PM
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Oy. This thread reminds me of a lousy math teacher I once had. I'd go into class understanding the material, but by the time he finished explaining, I didn't understand it any more.
I track and autox with the DSC switch off (1 sec). I haven't noticed any interference from "the system" at that setting. At my next autox I'll try it both ways and see what happens.
I track and autox with the DSC switch off (1 sec). I haven't noticed any interference from "the system" at that setting. At my next autox I'll try it both ways and see what happens.
07-12-2006, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dillsrotary
one of the best things about this forum is when relatively new members post threads stating something that everyone else knows. Its obviously not a major offense but it does kinda **** people off, especially when the new member doesn't listen to the opinions of say the autox's who know the answer. Its like me running into an ER surgery and saying,"Hey ********, you're doing it wrong."
This is EXACTLY how I felt reading the first post!!!
07-13-2006, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Razz1
Funny thing I swear that when TCS is on I can get the wheels to spin but the brakes kick in on the side that is spinning. Hence, controlling traction in a forward movent.
The traction control systems are set up to compare the non-drive (front) tire speed with the driven (rear) tire speed... not right rear tire to left rear tire speeds.
07-13-2006, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NGTMRE
WOW, 6 pages of this stuff and you guys are still confused about it...
Who cares? Really!
Who cares? Really!
--kC
(PS: Your post was on page 2... n00b settings... sheesh)
07-13-2006, 09:08 AM
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If you have an LSD, the LSD will do its damndest to make both rear tires spin at the same rate during acceleration. Its a mechanical system and could care less about what setting your DSC is on.
This is soooooo dumb. If you only press it once it does still interfere at some points, you don't have to autox or push the car all that hard to feel that, just go thrash the car on some twisty farm roads in the middle of nowhere. If you press it for 7 it does go away. Personally I think it's way way easier to notice the differences in the settings on the way the front end of the car acts vs. the back end.
Personally when I'm really thrashing the car in public I leave it on in full mode so I don't eat a tree or another car by making a mistake but that's just me using something called common sense.
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07-13-2006, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Umbra
...Personally when I'm really thrashing the car in public I leave it on in full mode so I don't eat a tree or another car by making a mistake but that's just me using something called common sense.
07-13-2006, 01:30 PM
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If you have an LSD, the LSD will do its damndest to make both rear tires spin at the same rate during acceleration. Its a mechanical system and could care less about what setting your DSC is on.
The traction control systems are set up to compare the non-drive (front) tire speed with the driven (rear) tire speed... not right rear tire to left rear tire speeds.
The traction control systems are set up to compare the non-drive (front) tire speed with the driven (rear) tire speed... not right rear tire to left rear tire speeds.
07-13-2006, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dillsrotary
one of the best things about this forum is when relatively new members post threads stating something that everyone else knows. Its obviously not a major offense but it does kinda **** people off, especially when the new member doesn't listen to the opinions of say the autox's who know the answer. Its like me running into an ER surgery and saying,"Hey ********, you're doing it wrong."
(Heh)
07-13-2006, 02:19 PM
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I've had a similar experience in snow. The car would not move because of the TC. I pressed the DSC button once, problem was the same, TC was still preventing me from moving. I had to press the button for 7 sec to be able to move again by generously spinning the driving wheels.
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07-13-2006, 03:22 PM
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Yes.... After 91 posts, nobody has shown me imperical data on how this system behaves when you press the button vs. when you hold the button.
Also, there seem's to be a lot of confusion along our fellow rx8 members about how the system operates and what system does what. I mean it is taking 91 posts and it is still going.
In any event, I will shut up now and go ahead an try it for myself... maybe..... and just enjoy the 8.
Also, there seem's to be a lot of confusion along our fellow rx8 members about how the system operates and what system does what. I mean it is taking 91 posts and it is still going.
In any event, I will shut up now and go ahead an try it for myself... maybe..... and just enjoy the 8.
07-13-2006, 03:54 PM
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I love how some people will simply dismiss an issue when the data stacks up against them.
I guess he doesn't like the empirical data beause it is Imperialist?
Puch96, I assume that you dismiss the practical data presented because all those presenting it are liars? That would be the only reasonable explanation for you suggesting that there has been no data.
I guess he doesn't like the empirical data beause it is Imperialist?
Puch96, I assume that you dismiss the practical data presented because all those presenting it are liars? That would be the only reasonable explanation for you suggesting that there has been no data.
07-13-2006, 04:02 PM
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PuchGuy....
"The empiricism of the empirical is a tautological tautology." - Alexei Sayle.
Empirical evidence has been presented in many of these posts - once you write it down it becomes unacceptable to you?
People have said "I feel the difference..."
You reply "It doesn't SAY that in the manual..."
You are both right.
S
Empirical evidence has been presented in many of these posts - once you write it down it becomes unacceptable to you?
People have said "I feel the difference..."
You reply "It doesn't SAY that in the manual..."
You are both right.
S
07-13-2006, 04:17 PM
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I don't plan to park on any beach sand - but if some one does do this with an 8 what is the sequence for getting yourself out of the situation? ( for the old 323, you throw stuff in front the wheels, or carry a couple of blankets that can be fed under the wheels and you get your self slowly out of the situation - for the neighbors SUV, you put chicken wire under the wheels and keep him from digging himself in deeper, and finally get a god tractor to pull him out)!
07-13-2006, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I love how some people will simply dismiss an issue when the data stacks up against them.
I guess he doesn't like the empirical data beause it is Imperialist?
Puch96, I assume that you dismiss the practical data presented because all those presenting it are liars? That would be the only reasonable explanation for you suggesting that there has been no data.
I guess he doesn't like the empirical data beause it is Imperialist?
Puch96, I assume that you dismiss the practical data presented because all those presenting it are liars? That would be the only reasonable explanation for you suggesting that there has been no data.
2) NO.
3) I am not calling anybody a liar. The only thing is that I get mixed explanations on how DSC/TCS really works. Furthermore, I don't really know who to follow because there will always be someone that contradicts somebody else.
07-13-2006, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by puch96
Yes.... After 91 posts, nobody has shown me imperical data on how this system behaves when you press the button vs. when you hold the button.
Also, there seem's to be a lot of confusion along our fellow rx8 members about how the system operates and what system does what. I mean it is taking 91 posts and it is still going.
In any event, I will shut up now and go ahead an try it for myself... maybe..... and just enjoy the 8.
Also, there seem's to be a lot of confusion along our fellow rx8 members about how the system operates and what system does what. I mean it is taking 91 posts and it is still going.
In any event, I will shut up now and go ahead an try it for myself... maybe..... and just enjoy the 8.
07-13-2006, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by puch96
1) No... The data is not stacking up against me.... I just didn't see any data yet. All I heard was personal experiences and opinions
2) NO.
3) I am not calling anybody a liar. The only thing is that I get mixed explanations on how DSC/TCS really works. Furthermore, I don't really know who to follow because there will always be someone that contradicts somebody else.
2) NO.
3) I am not calling anybody a liar. The only thing is that I get mixed explanations on how DSC/TCS really works. Furthermore, I don't really know who to follow because there will always be someone that contradicts somebody else.
So are so caught up in 'how' the system works, you refuse to learn 'what happens'.
Follow MazdaManiac - he's right 98% of the time.
Zoom44 - he's right 98% of the time.
rotarygod - he's right 103% of the time - just ask him. :D
dmp - he's right 95% of the time - but doesn't always know 'why' he's right...but he usually is.
07-13-2006, 05:17 PM
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No logic at all...
"I just didn't see any data yet. All I heard was personal experiences "
...that, my logic impaired friend, would be the empirical data you asked for.
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*cough*moron *cough*
...that, my logic impaired friend, would be the empirical data you asked for.
S
*cough*moron *cough*
07-13-2006, 05:33 PM
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I appresiate everybody's input on this. To conclude this never ending thread, I must go out there and try it for myself....
By the way StealthTL.... thanks for the insult.
By the way StealthTL.... thanks for the insult.