Possible further developments with Alfa Romeo for Mazda
10-03-2013, 12:44 AM
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Possible further developments with Alfa Romeo for Mazda
Mazda Engineers Push for a Return to Rear-Wheel Drive | Edmunds.com
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Mazda engineers are lobbying for revival of rear-wheel-drive models, saying that the strategy would help the Japanese automaker to better differentiate itself against its rivals, Edmunds has learned.
Top management is said to be resistant to the idea, citing the high cost of redesigning its mainstream models.
Mazda might find a partner in Alfa Romeo as it rethinks rear-wheel drive.
LONDON — Mazda engineers are lobbying for revival of rear-wheel-drive models, saying that the strategy would help the Japanese automaker to better differentiate itself against its rivals, Edmunds has learned.
The push is coming from many of Mazda's senior and middle-ranking engineers. Products like the rear-wheel-drive Mazda RX-8 have been discontinued as the automaker focuses on front-wheel drive models. Mainstream models such as the 2014 Mazda 6 are front-wheel-drive.
Insiders at the company believe that this rear-wheel-drive strategy would produce more distinctive cars that are more fun to drive and would align more closely with the visual and dynamic character of the company's successful MX-5 Miata and RX series.
However, Mazda's top management is said to be resistant to the idea because of the cost of designing fresh architectures for its mainstream models.
Mazda might also find a partner in Alfa Romeo as it mulls the benefits of rear-wheel drive. The two are already collaborating on sports cars, including a new Alfa Spider to be derived from the next-generation MX-5.
The Italian brand is also said to be investigating rear-wheel drive for some of its mainstream models. However, there's no evidence yet of a deepening collaboration, and given the success that Mazda is enjoying with its current, predominantly front-drive range, a major switch to rear-drive looks unlikely in the immediate future.
Edmunds says: Rear-wheel drive could give Mazda the distinctiveness it needs to be successful and profitable as a relatively small player.
i think this is the right move for Mazda to go upstream.
i must say that here in Italy rumors about RWD Alfas (D segment and E segment) are increasing, and the development is NOT scheduled on new Maserati Quattroporte/Ghibli platform.
Just the Facts:
Mazda engineers are lobbying for revival of rear-wheel-drive models, saying that the strategy would help the Japanese automaker to better differentiate itself against its rivals, Edmunds has learned.
Top management is said to be resistant to the idea, citing the high cost of redesigning its mainstream models.
Mazda might find a partner in Alfa Romeo as it rethinks rear-wheel drive.
LONDON — Mazda engineers are lobbying for revival of rear-wheel-drive models, saying that the strategy would help the Japanese automaker to better differentiate itself against its rivals, Edmunds has learned.
The push is coming from many of Mazda's senior and middle-ranking engineers. Products like the rear-wheel-drive Mazda RX-8 have been discontinued as the automaker focuses on front-wheel drive models. Mainstream models such as the 2014 Mazda 6 are front-wheel-drive.
Insiders at the company believe that this rear-wheel-drive strategy would produce more distinctive cars that are more fun to drive and would align more closely with the visual and dynamic character of the company's successful MX-5 Miata and RX series.
However, Mazda's top management is said to be resistant to the idea because of the cost of designing fresh architectures for its mainstream models.
Mazda might also find a partner in Alfa Romeo as it mulls the benefits of rear-wheel drive. The two are already collaborating on sports cars, including a new Alfa Spider to be derived from the next-generation MX-5.
The Italian brand is also said to be investigating rear-wheel drive for some of its mainstream models. However, there's no evidence yet of a deepening collaboration, and given the success that Mazda is enjoying with its current, predominantly front-drive range, a major switch to rear-drive looks unlikely in the immediate future.
Edmunds says: Rear-wheel drive could give Mazda the distinctiveness it needs to be successful and profitable as a relatively small player.
i think this is the right move for Mazda to go upstream.
i must say that here in Italy rumors about RWD Alfas (D segment and E segment) are increasing, and the development is NOT scheduled on new Maserati Quattroporte/Ghibli platform.
10-03-2013, 04:43 PM
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I've been saying that rear wheel drive is the way to go for Mazda for some time. Rear wheel drive cars are seen more as performance cars. They're definitely more fun. Most front drivers are not.
Mazda needs to make attainable rwd performance cars that have good gas mileage. Americans would buy them. Look at how many Chargers are sold, and they're heavy, slow and can't handle.
Alfa could be a good fit as they are more upscale, which is the direction Mazda should go.
Mazda needs to make attainable rwd performance cars that have good gas mileage. Americans would buy them. Look at how many Chargers are sold, and they're heavy, slow and can't handle.
Alfa could be a good fit as they are more upscale, which is the direction Mazda should go.
10-03-2013, 04:50 PM
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I'm not knocking Chargers. I like them and looked at one, but they don't have enough handling for me. What would be cool if Mazda made a muscle car, that also had good handling. Make a small sky-active v8 with lower power (compared with other v8s) but great mileage. Say 310-340 hp but give it 34-35 miles on the highway with cylinder deactivation. Put it in a 3400 lb lightweight sedan or 3100 lb lightweight coupe.
10-03-2013, 05:40 PM
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Seems like a lot of money for a change that won't make a big difference in helping them move product in the majority of their line up. Non-sporty models like the 3 and 6 have no need for RWD due to their mass market target consumer, who doesn't know or care (and probably can't even tell the difference between) what wheels the power is going to. There are some people, I know because I've met plenty of them, who actually think RWD is a bad thing, as it makes the car hard for them to drive in the snow.
I'm all for RWD cars, but I just can't see this making financial sense. Mazda is already a niche manufacturer, and with no economics of scale to play with it seems like one hell of a bold move.
I'm all for RWD cars, but I just can't see this making financial sense. Mazda is already a niche manufacturer, and with no economics of scale to play with it seems like one hell of a bold move.
10-04-2013, 04:52 AM
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/\ Agree, and more RWD won't happen, FWD is way cheaper to make and has too many benefits that outweighs the negatives, having said that I will always personally go for a RWD.
There will only be two platforms (models with RWD) the Miata and possible RX.
Anymore and it is going to take some time....they are just not huge/volume sellers.
However, MMC are finally going in the right direction, you don't want to underestimate just how much Ford was a millstone around their (Mazda's) necks @ boardroom level and development, FORD was always protecting Ford.
Now Ford are almost gone Mazda can put their own plans in place, the biggest being their new venture with Sumitomo Bank (Mazda's banker and big shareholder for over 50 years) and the all new Mexico Car and Engine Plant next year, with all the North American production for Mazda 2 and 3 this will free up a huge amount of space at their 4 Japan plants, about 350,000 extra units for Europe and Asia/Australasia.
Mazda just recently venturing into Burma, (Myanmar) and other smaller Asian countries, plus taking over total distribution (from Ford) in South Africa..
...It is all good/great positive news for Mazda in the next 3-5 years, I just hope there is not another 'world catastrophe' which might plague their growth with all their new class leading new models.
There will only be two platforms (models with RWD) the Miata and possible RX.
Anymore and it is going to take some time....they are just not huge/volume sellers.
However, MMC are finally going in the right direction, you don't want to underestimate just how much Ford was a millstone around their (Mazda's) necks @ boardroom level and development, FORD was always protecting Ford.
Now Ford are almost gone Mazda can put their own plans in place, the biggest being their new venture with Sumitomo Bank (Mazda's banker and big shareholder for over 50 years) and the all new Mexico Car and Engine Plant next year, with all the North American production for Mazda 2 and 3 this will free up a huge amount of space at their 4 Japan plants, about 350,000 extra units for Europe and Asia/Australasia.
Mazda just recently venturing into Burma, (Myanmar) and other smaller Asian countries, plus taking over total distribution (from Ford) in South Africa..
...It is all good/great positive news for Mazda in the next 3-5 years, I just hope there is not another 'world catastrophe' which might plague their growth with all their new class leading new models.
10-04-2013, 06:59 AM
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a RWD sporty sedan (see a Lexus IS, a 3 series etc...) could boost brand image and catch some new customer as well helps to keep the old customer.
about money: yes, Mazda is small..develop a RWD platform for one model is not financial sustainable , that's why they are talking with some other manufacturer for sharing some platform.
you guys don't like a sporty sedan/ 4 seats coupè maybe with a rotary engine option?
i'm not talking about next rx7 2 seater hardcore sports, but another model with the possibility of both rotary and piston engines.
for me 3&6 are ok with a FWD, no needs to change for those models...i'm talking about some UPPER than the 2 big selling models..something in "Cosmo" area...
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10-04-2013, 09:12 AM
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Okay, I'm going to point out something that no one has picked up on as of yet.
The CX-5 offers AWD.
This means that it has a tunnel to the rear axle area.
The Mazda 6 is a modified version of the same floor plan as the CX-5.
There have been minor rumblings of an AWD version of the Mazda 6 being possible, should they ever decide to produce one.
Shouldn't it be feasible that a RWD variant of the Mazda 6 should be possible for Mazda to make and produce, if they so desired? Since the SkyActiv engines are going to be put into the Miata, which is RWD, that means that they can produce a RWD engine and transmission still.
The biggest problem is the engine.
2.5 4 cylinder isn't usually what people want in a RWD sedan.
How large could Mazda punch out the 4 cylinder engine to, without NVH issues?
BC.
The CX-5 offers AWD.
This means that it has a tunnel to the rear axle area.
The Mazda 6 is a modified version of the same floor plan as the CX-5.
There have been minor rumblings of an AWD version of the Mazda 6 being possible, should they ever decide to produce one.
Shouldn't it be feasible that a RWD variant of the Mazda 6 should be possible for Mazda to make and produce, if they so desired? Since the SkyActiv engines are going to be put into the Miata, which is RWD, that means that they can produce a RWD engine and transmission still.
The biggest problem is the engine.
2.5 4 cylinder isn't usually what people want in a RWD sedan.
How large could Mazda punch out the 4 cylinder engine to, without NVH issues?
BC.
10-04-2013, 09:40 AM
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BMW is offering in EU mainly 4 banger versions in its 3 sedan and 4 coupè cars...gas&diesel
Mazda has it without turbo on gas, but is not a problem.... turbo gasoline engines were not ruled out by Yamanouchi ,spaeking about skyactiv.
Next gen rotary (mated with electric motor maybe) could be the hi-spec option (like a straight 6 for BMW)
@BC: AWD version of 6 are under consideration (speak of a Mazda engineer in a Skyactiv tech speech ). BTW Mazda Atenza (JDM version of 6) had always offered AWD version since I gen model...
Mazda has it without turbo on gas, but is not a problem.... turbo gasoline engines were not ruled out by Yamanouchi ,spaeking about skyactiv.
Next gen rotary (mated with electric motor maybe) could be the hi-spec option (like a straight 6 for BMW)
@BC: AWD version of 6 are under consideration (speak of a Mazda engineer in a Skyactiv tech speech ). BTW Mazda Atenza (JDM version of 6) had always offered AWD version since I gen model...
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10-04-2013, 01:00 PM
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Okay, I'm going to point out something that no one has picked up on as of yet.
The CX-5 offers AWD.
This means that it has a tunnel to the rear axle area.
The Mazda 6 is a modified version of the same floor plan as the CX-5.
There have been minor rumblings of an AWD version of the Mazda 6 being possible, should they ever decide to produce one.
The CX-5 offers AWD.
This means that it has a tunnel to the rear axle area.
The Mazda 6 is a modified version of the same floor plan as the CX-5.
There have been minor rumblings of an AWD version of the Mazda 6 being possible, should they ever decide to produce one.
Good point about the driveshaft tunnel.
I think the main problem is going to be making space for the transmission and re-orienting the engine block. Currently, they are all space-saving transaxles with a Haldex-type transfer for AWD models. I'm not sure the platform has enough space for a longitudinal transmission tunnel to convert existing models to RWD.
10-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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Jeez calm down guys it is not going to happen 
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This started by a journalist putting 2 and 3 together and making 7...
As for Mazda trying again for another premium brand like Eunos of the 90's, also will not happen, Mazda are trying premium now with their current new crop...the only thing missing are 'large engines'.
As for Mazda's focus changing, again what a load of crap, they are still making the MX-5 and a clone for Alfa, yes, the RX-8 has finished, that is all they had in the first instance...
The thought and idea is just lame, Mazda can not keep up with production allocation demand now!!!, so what exactly are they not going to make for some other ultra low volume model???
Below is another article on this same rubbish and just how writers and the internet turns gossip into facts..
Mazda Engineers Looking to Persuade Execs to Focus More on RWD Models - Carscoops
While Mazda’s new line of front- and all-wheel drive models has seen its fair share of success, Edmunds reports that many engineers from within the company are not pleased and want to shift focus more towards rear-wheel drive. Apparently, management is not too pleased by the idea, especially now that they’re doing well as is with the current crop. The engineers’ wish is to have Mazda make sportier rear-driven cars that are closer in philosophy to the MX-5 and RX series.
It’s not an entirely unreasonable demand, especially since the Japanese automaker is already working with Alfa Romeo – the latter being the subject of an interminable number of rumors regarding its sedans going rwd. Perhaps they could work out an understanding in this area, as well, and make the shift along with the Italians.
Whichever way they go, it will be completely understandable. We of course, would like to see to see them go for it, as the Mazda range has been rather empty since the RX-8 was retired from production in July of 2011.
.This started by a journalist putting 2 and 3 together and making 7...
As for Mazda trying again for another premium brand like Eunos of the 90's, also will not happen, Mazda are trying premium now with their current new crop...the only thing missing are 'large engines'.
As for Mazda's focus changing, again what a load of crap, they are still making the MX-5 and a clone for Alfa, yes, the RX-8 has finished, that is all they had in the first instance...
The thought and idea is just lame, Mazda can not keep up with production allocation demand now!!!, so what exactly are they not going to make for some other ultra low volume model???
Below is another article on this same rubbish and just how writers and the internet turns gossip into facts..
Mazda Engineers Looking to Persuade Execs to Focus More on RWD Models - Carscoops
While Mazda’s new line of front- and all-wheel drive models has seen its fair share of success, Edmunds reports that many engineers from within the company are not pleased and want to shift focus more towards rear-wheel drive. Apparently, management is not too pleased by the idea, especially now that they’re doing well as is with the current crop. The engineers’ wish is to have Mazda make sportier rear-driven cars that are closer in philosophy to the MX-5 and RX series.
It’s not an entirely unreasonable demand, especially since the Japanese automaker is already working with Alfa Romeo – the latter being the subject of an interminable number of rumors regarding its sedans going rwd. Perhaps they could work out an understanding in this area, as well, and make the shift along with the Italians.
Whichever way they go, it will be completely understandable. We of course, would like to see to see them go for it, as the Mazda range has been rather empty since the RX-8 was retired from production in July of 2011.
10-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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They don't need fantasy if they want to success their sales build mx-5 piston engine turbo and lightweight like alfa romeo 4C nearly 900 kgs and more powerful then 4C. MX-5 must be 300 hp range
And build your RX-7 or RX-8 or RX-9 whatever you called product it quickly, lightweight and must be powerful than MX-5 400-500 hp.
That gives Mazda great sale numbers if they managed to produce pure sports car both Piston and Rotary Engines..
And build your RX-7 or RX-8 or RX-9 whatever you called product it quickly, lightweight and must be powerful than MX-5 400-500 hp.
That gives Mazda great sale numbers if they managed to produce pure sports car both Piston and Rotary Engines..
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They don't need fantasy if they want to success their sales build mx-5 piston engine turbo and lightweight like alfa romeo 4C nearly 900 kgs and more powerful then 4C. MX-5 must be 300 hp range
And build your RX-7 or RX-8 or RX-9 whatever you called product it quickly, lightweight and must be powerful than MX-5 400-500 hp.
That gives Mazda great sale numbers if they managed to produce pure sports car both Piston and Rotary Engines..
And build your RX-7 or RX-8 or RX-9 whatever you called product it quickly, lightweight and must be powerful than MX-5 400-500 hp.
That gives Mazda great sale numbers if they managed to produce pure sports car both Piston and Rotary Engines..
My MX-5 dyno'ed at 197wtq 202whp and even though it is one of the heaviest MX-5's ever made (weighed in at 2,590lbs), it shocks people with how fast it is. I'm not saying it's blindingly fast or scary fast or setting any records, but it's far faster than you can legally use on the roads. The ND Miata will be smaller and lighter, and doesn't even need that much power to have equivalent acceleration.
99+% of consumers that buy cars never need more than about 130hp. NEVER. They don't desire to, they don't need to, etc...
Mazda is already selling out on every SkyActive model. I think they already figured out the "sales success" part. Adding hugely powerful cars that their customer base won't ever use and won't like the noise, emissions, and fuel consumption of.... that won't make them successful at all.
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10-04-2013, 03:52 PM
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Agree M8...
As Paul from Mazmart said and he is 100% on...
Today in most of the world,
Apart from the USA the rest of the world can not afford gas guzzlers, sadly, including RE.
Even in the US, the number one question by most non car enthusiast new car buyers today when they first look into a showroom is how many MPG does it get.
As Paul from Mazmart said and he is 100% on...
Today in most of the world,
MPG (KPL) Miles Per Gallon is the new HP today...
Even in the US, the number one question by most non car enthusiast new car buyers today when they first look into a showroom is how many MPG does it get.
10-04-2013, 03:55 PM
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Called Power to Weight....something Mazda is very good at..
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10-04-2013, 03:59 PM
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Yeah. My tuner tunes a lot of track cars, typically in the 300-450whp range (usually class limited), some street and drag cars, 800whp+ Evos, STIs, GTRs
He said that the most scared he has ever been in a customer's car from power alone was in a 273whp Miata.
He said that the most scared he has ever been in a customer's car from power alone was in a 273whp Miata.
10-04-2013, 04:05 PM
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...and this post is entirely made up in fantasy land.
My MX-5 dyno'ed at 197wtq 202whp and even though it is one of the heaviest MX-5's ever made (weighed in at 2,590lbs), it shocks people with how fast it is. I'm not saying it's blindingly fast or scary fast or setting any records, but it's far faster than you can legally use on the roads. The ND Miata will be smaller and lighter, and doesn't even need that much power to have equivalent acceleration.
99+% of consumers that buy cars never need more than about 130hp. NEVER. They don't desire to, they don't need to, etc...
Mazda is already selling out on every SkyActive model. I think they already figured out the "sales success" part. Adding hugely powerful cars that their customer base won't ever use and won't like the noise, emissions, and fuel consumption of.... that won't make them successful at all.
My MX-5 dyno'ed at 197wtq 202whp and even though it is one of the heaviest MX-5's ever made (weighed in at 2,590lbs), it shocks people with how fast it is. I'm not saying it's blindingly fast or scary fast or setting any records, but it's far faster than you can legally use on the roads. The ND Miata will be smaller and lighter, and doesn't even need that much power to have equivalent acceleration.
99+% of consumers that buy cars never need more than about 130hp. NEVER. They don't desire to, they don't need to, etc...
Mazda is already selling out on every SkyActive model. I think they already figured out the "sales success" part. Adding hugely powerful cars that their customer base won't ever use and won't like the noise, emissions, and fuel consumption of.... that won't make them successful at all.
Major problem is Power Weight ratio on Mazda RWD products both MX-5 & RX-8
If they want a real sports car, they must remember the philosophy of what sport car is.
MX-5 is a product which has low powered not give sense people but it is a cult product for over 30-40's age guys fun toy for daily and weekend car.
Teenagers and Market needs another s2000 or 200sx s14a or s15 silvia
Rotary Guys and Specialist needs a car want to build, dream it and fun with it. Nobody wants a rwd platform car slow and heavy if RWD means driving pleasure why don't they give power on their RWD products.
We are going to see Alfa Romeo 4C breaks sale numbers on market. Not many people have lots of money to buy Ferrari or Lamborghini but they want to dreaming Japaneese toys keep 90's sale strategy's and produce cheap lightweight time attack tuning machines for pure rwd cars both piston and rotary engines MX-5 & RX-8.
Renesis engines reliable on twin screw sc's 1.6 renesis & sc & skyactiv hybrid powerplant gives down the emissions, fuel economy on low rpm range and give easily 400-500 hp's.
Honda works on next NSX and Turbo Typer 2015, Toyota works another 2 RWD car MR-2 & SUPRA why Mazda waits low powered cars why ?
Built it or DIE it again !
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10-04-2013, 04:13 PM
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You act like Mazda is desperately trying to figure out how to build a 'real sports car'. They aren't. They know how to. I could even see a very good argument for saying that they are one of the few companies left that actually know how to (rather than how to make muscle cars). They are just busy digging themselves out of a financial hole caused by the US car industry problem. And they are doing it in spectacular fashion, having zero problems being able to sell cars.
Once the finances line up, they will make a sports car again. It won't be high power though, and it won't set acceleration records. Mazda doesn't follow the herd, it doesn't pursue the power game. It is going to be lightweight and stellar to drive though. It's going to win hearts, and it's going to win championships in the process.
Once the finances line up, they will make a sports car again. It won't be high power though, and it won't set acceleration records. Mazda doesn't follow the herd, it doesn't pursue the power game. It is going to be lightweight and stellar to drive though. It's going to win hearts, and it's going to win championships in the process.
10-04-2013, 04:22 PM
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No i don't act like that Mazda knows what sports car is and how they can build it. I am not sure but Nissan build R35 GTR's with financial problems they play a gamble and they won that game but Mazda not playing any gamble or game they always wait and see. They don't know their fan boy capabilites and popularity over the world about ROTARY SPIRIT..
If i were a CEO of Mazda i must build a rich guys toy 3 rotor turbo sports car like FURAI limited 500 like Lexus LFA what Toyota did.
Maybe Mazda needs a luxury brand for Rotary cars which Honda did for Acura,Lexus,Infinity as i say summary of my words Mazda must seperate Rotary cars and other cars on their factory.
If i were a CEO of Mazda i must build a rich guys toy 3 rotor turbo sports car like FURAI limited 500 like Lexus LFA what Toyota did.
Maybe Mazda needs a luxury brand for Rotary cars which Honda did for Acura,Lexus,Infinity as i say summary of my words Mazda must seperate Rotary cars and other cars on their factory.
10-04-2013, 04:38 PM
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..exactly...I get SO FREAKING BORED when I hear Clarkson, TG USA, and others, ALL they ever talk about is POWER, POWER, POWER!!.............tedious!!!.
They are motoring bogans!
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The LFA was made at a HUGE loss. $375k for each x 500 = $187 million in sales money back. The development costs are estimated to be in the billions, with the actual production cost of each car over $1 million. The lightweight hand crafted dry carbon fiber body panels by themselves are reportedly more than the $375,000 total car price tag.
Could Mazda make a halo car at some point? Sure. But it will be really far off, and it should never be used as a reason why they should make "300hp MX-5s" or "500hp RX7/8/9"
Yes, I want them to make another rotary sports car, and I will buy it when it gets here. I don't want them to make supremely limited halo car, because then I won't be able to buy it.
Could Mazda make a halo car at some point? Sure. But it will be really far off, and it should never be used as a reason why they should make "300hp MX-5s" or "500hp RX7/8/9"
Yes, I want them to make another rotary sports car, and I will buy it when it gets here. I don't want them to make supremely limited halo car, because then I won't be able to buy it.
10-04-2013, 05:08 PM
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The LFA was made at a HUGE loss. $375k for each x 500 = $187 million in sales money back. The development costs are estimated to be in the billions, with the actual production cost of each car over $1 million. The lightweight hand crafted dry carbon fiber body panels by themselves are reportedly more than the $375,000 total car price tag.
Could Mazda make a halo car at some point? Sure. But it will be really far off, and it should never be used as a reason why they should make "300hp MX-5s" or "500hp RX7/8/9"
Yes, I want them to make another rotary sports car, and I will buy it when it gets here. I don't want them to make supremely limited halo car, because then I won't be able to buy it.
Could Mazda make a halo car at some point? Sure. But it will be really far off, and it should never be used as a reason why they should make "300hp MX-5s" or "500hp RX7/8/9"
Yes, I want them to make another rotary sports car, and I will buy it when it gets here. I don't want them to make supremely limited halo car, because then I won't be able to buy it.
They don't need to produce LFA build a car like GTR what Mizuno said handmade cars not means special or good products.
Mazda can or cant produce a car like GTR ? Really they have a capability or not ?
Year ago i read about next RX-7 2017 document the Mazda Ceo said that using carbon is the expensive way of producing next rotary's price. If they can't use any carbonfiber parts on their next platforms RWD cars how can they dream or producing and thinking future and going forward ?
If they have an economic problems don't produce a simple rotary or rwd platform has anybody say to me and everybody which MX-5 series is
excite people ? NA MX-5 maybe ? Retro producing of roadsters mg midget
We need Alfa Romeo 4C rotary version for everybody and Mazda should produce 3 rotor turbo dream rotary hypercar for rich guys ! I am saying these both MX-5 and RX-8, if you produce rwd platform put it a boss engine not worker one.
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10-04-2013, 05:13 PM
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Here is a quote by GM on the new Corvette/production , they (GM) will make 160 a day....
We've seen this again and again. You bring out a new Corvette and the demand is sky-high at the beginning, and then it tapers off," said Corvette Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter. "It's not worth making that investment [of a second shift], even though for awhile we make a lot more money getting those cars out there."
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...#ixzz2gnHJ5XSZ
Just like any new RX.....
We've seen this again and again. You bring out a new Corvette and the demand is sky-high at the beginning, and then it tapers off," said Corvette Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter. "It's not worth making that investment [of a second shift], even though for awhile we make a lot more money getting those cars out there."
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...#ixzz2gnHJ5XSZ
Just like any new RX.....