Thinking about it now~
RX-8 with only 238HP and auto one 197HP
and I am paying 46000CAN for it is a bit too much...

I have a Auto GT one with nav install..
it just have new and cool looking, more luxry and fancy stuff install. Performance wise it is like in the RSX type-S class.
Well, even type S has more HP then the AUTO RX-8 if i remenber correctly...

Dont be mistaken. I love the car. the way it look, but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh.... dont even want to mention it now....

with enough $ you can make a POS Geo Metro into a drag racing beast or an autoX threat but you can't put a price on STYLE.

Sure pay $ to put crap ass body kits that make a civic look like a Supra or Skyline or what have you but in the end, it's doesn't have any more true style than when it began cuz it will NEVER really be a Supra or Skyline...

If you wanted outright performance you might have purchased the wrong car, but for style NOTHING under $100,000 USD comes close to looking as good as a brand spankin new red RX8.

well i agree with u partly but not totally....
the g35c cost only a bit more but it does have more HP and it doesn't have the difference in HP btw auto and manual...
and the look is very good too... maybe not as young and cool looking as RX8 but it is a very nice car.

well i love the car. Its just like love the car so much want it to be better and faster. Dont want ppl to think it as a car with just style but no performance..

If you owned the rx8 you would know its WORTH it

u know what? i do have one......

I look at it this way.

There are several things on the car that can't be changed easily like the drivetrain layout (front - mid engine), transmission, exterior styling, interior styling/layout, and four functional seats.

There are many options to improve power if you so desire - NOS, turbo, supercharger, intake, just to name a few,

For $30,000 you have a pretty good package. If you find any deficencies in the power, there is always the aftermarket.

Besides there is about $2500 worth of room to negotiate in.



Magic8

$2500 room to negotiate?
they didn't give me any price drop when i bought the car~
it is like dead solid price~
and the car is going fast here at Vancouver when i bought my car there is only one other RX8 avilable~ when i pick up my car it is sold~
and few days ago i went back to take it in for question on AC( it is really not cold) saw 3 more RX8 all sold! (i only have the car for 3 weeks!)

anyway, it would be few more grands if adding turbo or super..
well i guess i can live with that...

just hope the car could be as it stated... then i can be talking to my frd "look at my car~ not expensive but very stylish and very powerful" and i would be sending ppl to Mazda dealers

You should not be so concerned over the HP issue alone.
If you wer a street racer, drag racer, and tracker then maybe be worried. For everyday fun, just enjoy it and forget about the missing ponies. In the spectrum of things it wont be the big issue later on in the progression of the 8. Plus I agree w/ other members, you will soon be able to upgrade many facets of your 8 with aftermarket components.

Me, I have 288 hp in my other car, but can rarely use them. So having near 200 on my A/T is ok for my type of daily driving and life.

Drive the G35c and you will see.

Anything else is just brain fodder.

Just stop thinking and drive the G35c and all will become clear!

Vince

I've driven the 350Z and the G35 C. Both are very nice cars and they have power. However, nothing gets the head-turning glances of the 8. AND, the interior of the the Nissan products do not even compare to the "Kensei" engineering from Mazda. In the Mazda you feel like you are in a cockpit.

I also second the notion about the power. Granted it would be great for a few more ponies for bragging rights. But my RX-7 is running around 280-290 RWhp and I never get to use it. It is scary fast and could easily put me in jail or in a casket. I do not want that kind of power out of a daily driver.

ONE MORE THING. It seems to me that most people bitching about power are not true rotorheads and they have not experienced rotaries before (especially NA rotaries). The FC RX-7 without turbos was a blast to drive. It was quick and nimble, but NOT FAST !!!!! If people think the RX-8 is a dog, go drive a 91 RX-7 and you will see the difference.

that can only be answered by each individual according their needs and preferences. Some people will say 'No', some will still say that it is underpriced, and some will never be happy no matter what the price is.

that can only be answered by each individual according their needs and preferences. Some people will say 'No', some will still say that it is underpriced, and some will never be happy no matter what the price is.

If you're even asking the question you should probably dump it while you can (Canadians do have the buyback option don't you?). If you have the buyback option you can dump it with no loss, and if you change your mind again you can always rebuy a new one.

Granted I don't have mine yet, but I've driven an 8 on four different occassions, plus I've driven all its competitors, and I think it's definitely worth the money. I actually think they could raise the price by 3-4k and probably sell just as many.

I don't know about anyone else on this board, but this horsepower issue is getting REALLY, REALLY, old. It's got 238hp, not 247, so get over it, that's life. Either sell your car back and buy something else or drop it!!!

I agree with afai,

This is a great looking car. I paid a lot of money under a lot of assumptions. Such as: it will be great looking, it will have good build quality, it will have respectable performance numbers.

It is great looking, but I put too much faith in Mazda on the other two.

The build quality is so-so...mine has developed several rattles already and I've only had it for 5 weeks. I got the first one on the way home from picking it up!

Also, to all of those that say the aftermarket can give us our horsepower back...why in the world should I have to pay more, and possible have warantee issues, to get what I paid for in the first place?

I will miss my car greatly, but no matter what I tell myself, I still paid too much money to not get what I paid for. Hopefully there will be a mazdaspeed in a couple of years after they have worked all of the bugs out.

The answer to your question is easily answered. Compare the prices of similarly equipped cars and look at the MPG too. I just finished hours of mulling through this again thinking about what to do. I came up with the same conclusion I did a month and a half ago - The RX 8 is the best value and it so happens to look the best too.

consider the cars I did:

350 Z
G35 Coupe and sedan
BMW 325 and 330
Acura CL
S2000
EVO

All of these cars are nice but they were either missing something or cost a lot more. I compared them to a GT RX. MPG figures were also not that different either. I would share my notes but it is too long. Now I also know that the RX likes regular 87 octane gas!!!

"Is RX8 worth the amount we paid?"

No. If that's what you wanted to hear.

We all think YES but obviously you are hoping to hear a NO answer, or else you wouldn't have started this thread.

actually i was hoping to hear some YES
Like i said I do love the car...
It is just like wanting your child to be perfect, because you love him soo soo much~

Originally posted by afai
actually i was hoping to hear some YES
Like i said I do love the car...
It is just like wanting your child to be perfect, because you love him soo soo much~
The only close priced competition i could find are the Q35C and the Mercedes C320 Sport Coupe
The RX-8 GT cost me $42K Canadian
The G35C would cost me $48,700 (with the dealer only charging me half the PDI/freight charge) and no color choice but black, or wait 5 months.
The C320 would cost me $44 Grand, but i would have to wait 6 months, and not get half the features, not to mention not nearly the cool factor.

350Z? 10 Grand more
WRX STi? 8 Grand, 6 months
EVO? Not available in Canada, did not pass crash tests, no luxury features, ugly
Audit TT GT? $20 Grand more
Others??

These is room to negotiate. It depends on your mind set. If you are hard set on getting the car now, then negotiation is not likely. There have been people that bought the RX-8 (at least in the U.S.) at $300 over Invoice (not MSRP.) Check this thread out.

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?threadid=8512

I am going into the dealership next week, with my finance check already in my hands. If I get the price I want, I buy, if not I wait for the MPS RX-8. Heck C&D speculate that the new Skyline GTR (450 HP on a twin turbo 3.5L V-6) within the next two years Yummmy....

Keep in mind this is NOT a special edition or limited edition, i.e. STI.

By the way, I in Winsor right now, visiting family. Damn its cold here and its only September.


Magic8

Originally posted by sjt
but for style NOTHING under $100,000 USD comes close to looking as good as a brand spankin new red RX8.
Hahaha.. talk about an overstatement of the year.. :D

It's hard to answer this question because of how much more unique the 8 is over other piston engine cars. To many people the rotary engine itself is worth the price of admission for this car.

Regarding similar priced competition what about the Acuras, TSX and CL?

I highly doubt you can negotiate in Canada. worth a try I suppose if you are prepared to walk and wait. But with only 700. Dealers are selling to people accross the country.

Originally posted by afai
but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh

Sorry, not much sympathy from this group - you bought the auto trans, and there were plenty of discussions here and elsewhere for a long time before anyone took delivery about how performance of the auto version suffered compared to the manual. If you wanted performance in terms of drag racing acceleration, you should have bought the manual trans or something else. Why not enjoy the positive attributes of the car, since there are so many?

Regards,
Gordon

Originally posted by Magic8
Keep in mind this is NOT a special edition or limited edition, i.e. STI.

Yes, it IS a limited edition - in Canada, where the original poster is from and where the dealers have no problems selling every one of the only 700 cars being imported this year for full MSRP.

Regards,
Gordon

Realize the original poster is from Canada but didn't realize that Canada only got 700 a year. I apologize.

Looks like you are right, it is limited. Any chance you can sneak into US to buy. I think Mazda was a little over zealous with it's sales projection of 30K a year, but this is discussed in another thread.


Magic8

When I bought the car a month ago I thought it was worth the price, so I bought it. After the problems that have have come up I have changed my thinking. I did not need the hassle. I just wanted a car to be reliable, no problems and just get in it and go.

Originally posted by 1fine8
When I bought the car a month ago I thought it was worth the price, so I bought it. After the problems that have have come up I have changed my thinking. I did not need the hassle. I just wanted a car to be reliable, no problems and just get in it and go.

"lemon law on the horizon"?? Why on earth would you go through that hassle and fight, when you can simply tick the "Please buy it back" box on the letter and return it with absolutely no hassle?

RodsterinFL, I would love to see your notes on MPG for the cars you mentioned. That is turning out to be the biggest issue for me with my long daily commutes.

NO!

30k for a car... you've gotta be nuts.

I'd give you a YEN for it.


Where are those damn yugo dealers when you need em.

Can someone fill me in (possibly direct me to the thread) on how it actually is OK for the 8 to use regular 87 octane gas??

Probably posted in another thread, I've used the 'Search' feature for the topic but it doesn't seem to be very friendly.

Originally posted by RodsterinFL
...

All of these cars are nice but they were either missing something or cost a lot more. I compared them to a GT RX. MPG figures were also not that different either. I would share my notes but it is too long. Now I also know that the RX likes regular 87 octane gas!!!

Originally posted by alfredo_mancho
Can someone fill me in (possibly direct me to the thread) on how it actually is OK for the 8 to use regular 87 octane gas??

Probably posted in another thread, I've used the 'Search' feature for the topic but it doesn't seem to be very friendly.



Welp, the manual says anything over 87 is fine, although 91 is recomended. once again guys, there's a manual with your car. Say it after me boys and girls.

Mmmmmaaaaannnuaaallll

:D Sorry. I still dont know how you fools havent read the manual from cover to cover 16 times (or so) like I have :)

woo hoo, that's one thing about the rotary I don't like is the gas consumption. Especially with my one-way 47km commute! Now I'll have some savings.

Oh believe me I will if I get the car and I'll read it 17 times through just to spite you :P

Originally posted by Genom


Welp, the manual says anything over 87 is fine, although 91 is recomended. once again guys, there's a manual with your car. Say it after me boys and girls.

Mmmmmaaaaannnuaaallll

:D Sorry. I still dont know how you fools havent read the manual from cover to cover 16 times (or so) like I have :)

Originally posted by Emsdad
I agree with afai,

This is a great looking car. I paid a lot of money under a lot of assumptions. Such as: it will be great looking, it will have good build quality, it will have respectable performance numbers.

It is great looking, but I put too much faith in Mazda on the other two.

The build quality is so-so...mine has developed several rattles already and I've only had it for 5 weeks. I got the first one on the way home from picking it up!

Also, to all of those that say the aftermarket can give us our horsepower back...why in the world should I have to pay more, and possible have warantee issues, to get what I paid for in the first place?

I will miss my car greatly, but no matter what I tell myself, I still paid too much money to not get what I paid for. Hopefully there will be a mazdaspeed in a couple of years after they have worked all of the bugs out.

what types of rattles have you experienced?
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Originally posted by alfredo_mancho
Can someone fill me in (possibly direct me to the thread) on how it actually is OK for the 8 to use regular 87 octane gas??



In the Canadian owners manual it says :
Section 4-2:

"You may use a regular unleaded fuel with Octane Rating from 87 to 90, but this will slightly reduce performance.
Fuel with a rating lower than 87 octane (91 RON) could cause the emission control system to lose effectiveness. It could also cause engine knocking and serious engine damage."

It also goes on to say that gasahol up to 10% ethanol is OK, but not more than 10%.

Thanks Can, I actually took some time to find it in the forum. I'm becoming more familiar with it now :) For some reason the search page didn't work too well the first few tries, now it does. Strange.

I don't think you can compare the RSX and the RX8. Completely different cars in every aspect.

RSX-S vs RX-8:

Similar power output
Both handle well
Both light weight
Both 4 passengers
Both look pretty sporty
Both price start under $30k
Both can use more power
Both have above average interior


so...... why not?

Well the RSX is about 10k less and FWD, but a good handler for FWD none the less.

Ike

The original post quoted $46,000 Canadian. That's obviously with taxes, so adjust accordingly (15%?)

I agree with most of the posts here, it is a great value when you compare everything available, and how they're equipped.

BTW I've been asked by all kinds of people how much the car was, when I say $41,000 (Cdn) most can't believe it!

I call on dealers for a living (all makes) and most salespeople / Managers wish they had something like the 8 to sell at that price!

For all you Americans, $41,000 Cdn is about $29,720 at today's exchange rates. That's for a GT 6 spd, Freight, PDI, and all options except Nav.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Well the RSX is about 10k less and FWD, but a good handler for FWD none the less.

Ike
In Canada the RSX-type S is $31,300, the base RX-8 is $36,700. So they are not that far apart in price. Similar interior size, the 8 might have more room in the rear. And of course the fwd vs rwd.

If price = HP, then rx8 may not worth the money.

If price = HP + handling + style, then rx8 is worth the money.

Originally posted by canzoomer

The RX-8 GT cost me $42K Canadian

350Z? 10 Grand more


Damn...Canada sure doesn't get the same deals do they?
Either that or I got a steal on my Z. Cost me $29k out the door which is practically the same price as the U.S. RX8. If they had charged $40k for Z in the U.S. theres no way in hell I would have bought it.

As for this thread, I believe everyone here knows what the 8 has to offer and no one should really give a Sh%$ whether or not others think its worth the money. It should only matter to yourself if it was worth YOUR money.....I have friends that blow their dough on stupid name brand clothes and etc. and I sure as hell dont think its worth it, but its worth it to them and it makes them happy...so if feel like the car is worth YOUR $30k or however much, then who cares if other people don't think its worth it?

Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
RSX-S vs RX-8:

Similar power output
Both handle well
Both light weight
Both 4 passengers
Both look pretty sporty
Both price start under $30k
Both can use more power
Both have above average interior


so...... why not?

Why not? Because the 8 is greater than the sum of it's parts. Most people won't look twice at the RSX, not so with the 8 (high "cool" quotient). Also, as mentioned before (and after), I think it is a great value considering the content of the car, so much so that Mazda may have under-priced it for some nefarious reason. I've owned several Benzes of recent vintage, CLK 320 (wife), CLK 430 (me), SLK, and a bunch more. The 8 has everything and more than my 2000 CLK 430 had. Look at the list of standard equipment for the 8 and then compare it to the others, RSX, 350z G35c, etc. Other than a few more HP, which most likely won't often come into play, I think the 8 beats them, "rotors" down.:cool: As often said on Miata.net, "if you can't drive fast with 90HP, 300HP isn't going to help you."

Originally posted by Quick_lude

In Canada the RSX-type S is $31,300, the base RX-8 is $36,700. So they are not that far apart in price. Similar interior size, the 8 might have more room in the rear. And of course the fwd vs rwd.
My dealer charged me Mazda sticker price, plus freight and PDI for a 6MT GT.
Only things I did not get are the roof and the NAV package.
List is $39,995, and with the freight, PDI, tank of gas, etc., they charged me $42,047

I paid an extra $595 for Mazda to extend the waranty to same as USA at 4 years.
Drove it away for $45,648.36 after taxes.

If you are getting charged much more than $42K before taxes find a better dealer.

Originally posted by zthang
Damn...Canada sure doesn't get the same deals do they?
Either that or I got a steal on my Z. Cost me $29k out the door which is practically the same price as the U.S. RX8. If they had charged $40k for Z in the U.S. theres no way in hell I would have bought it.


No, we get better deals on cars than the US. The equivalent-spec RX-8 is a few thousand dollars cheaper here - after you figure the conversion from US to Canadian dollars, or vice versa. You know, of course, that $40K Cdn is less than $29K US, right?

Regards,
Gordon

Originally posted by zthang


Damn...Canada sure doesn't get the same deals do they?
Either that or I got a steal on my Z. Cost me $29k out the door which is practically the same price as the U.S. RX8. If they had charged $40k for Z in the U.S. theres no way in hell I would have bought it.

Umm, the Canadian dollar is not at par with the US dollar!

One Canadian dollar is currently worth $0.7182 US Dollars

Therefore the Canada list price of $39,995 is equivalent to $28,723 in US funds..

Up here a 350Z Track Pack can be had for $50K Canadian, or $35,907 US

just to clear up few reading error of some of u~
the car is 46800 before tax but include PDI
the car is GT with moon roof and NAV
and rear spoiler and some other few little interior stuff in it....

OK, so you must have had about $2300.00 in accessories?

I just hope my insurance company appreciates the lower HP numbers. Honestly, for everday driving could you really feel ~9HP difference? Now, MPG is another issue...

Originally posted by rotorian
OK, so you must have had about $2300.00 in accessories?
The Canadian list price is $39,995.
Freight varies a bit by location, and I do not know where this person is.
For the sake of comparison, freight, PDI, and all other costs if it is delivered in Alberta runs at about $2,000
Assuming the same for this one there would be about $4,000 or more added to this particular car.

I would speculate it has the moon roof and the NAV package, as those cost about that.
Perhaps more..

Well, I have had a RSX-S for a year and a half now and it is a great car. It's quick and agile, but also has averaged 25.8 mpg over it's lifespan, with highway only trips consistantly giving me 33.5 mpg.

This being said, I can't wait until after christmas so I can go order my new RX-8!

I am an old rotary fan and love the looks and feeling behind the wheel. I will be using probably 50% more fuel to drive it and be paying more a month to own it, but I've been waiting 4 years for this car to be on the market.

The RSX is a great bang for the buck and probably a top 10 car overall, but I am not passionate about owning it. Life is too short to simply own a car because it makes financial sense.

The last of my 2 cents: Mazda could tell me that this car has 95 HP and I would still buy it. I drove it and I know what the power feels like and I love it. If I want it faster I'll have to boost it somehow, not whine that Mazda lied to me, who cares?

Finally, of course the car is worth what you paid for it. By definition in our economy, goods and services are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them. If you're like me, and refuse to pay MSRP for an auto, then wait until the supply gains some ground on the demand, then you'll be able to negotiate your price.

Originally posted by afai
Thinking about it now~
RX-8 with only 238HP and auto one 197HP
and I am paying 46000CAN for it is a bit too much...

I have a Auto GT one with nav install..
it just have new and cool looking, more luxry and fancy stuff install. Performance wise it is like in the RSX type-S class.
Well, even type S has more HP then the AUTO RX-8 if i remenber correctly...

Dont be mistaken. I love the car. the way it look, but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh.... dont even want to mention it now....

Of course is not worth what we paid.....I want my cars for free!

Originally posted by afai
Thinking about it now~
RX-8 with only 238HP and auto one 197HP
and I am paying 46000CAN for it is a bit too much...

I have a Auto GT one with nav install..
it just have new and cool looking, more luxry and fancy stuff install. Performance wise it is like in the RSX type-S class.
Well, even type S has more HP then the AUTO RX-8 if i remenber correctly...

Dont be mistaken. I love the car. the way it look, but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh.... dont even want to mention it now....

I think it's a very very cheap car, althougth in Spain it costs more than 37000 euros

1 euro = 1.6 CAN
1 euro aprox 1 USD

for that price it's not possible to buy another car as performance as RX-8

Originally posted by ZASKAR-RX8

I think it's a very very cheap car, althougth in Spain it costs more than 37000 euros

1 euro = 1.6 CAN
1 euro aprox 1 USD

for that price it's not possible to buy another car as performance as RX-8

Actually 1 Euro = 1.498 CAD$

37000 Euro is $55,353 CAD$

You are right, hard to beat at the price.

Originally posted by P00Man


what types of rattles have you experienced?

When I picked it up the on the 30 mile drive home I got a nasty rattle in the drivers door. It dissapeared and the passthrough started to rattle. That one dissapeared and the passenger door started to rattle. Its really wierd now that one is gone and the dash is rattling.

well i live in vancouver~~ so i suspect shipping shouldn't be alot~!
well the nav is 3000 moon roof is 1000 right?
so is 4000 added to 39995. therefor price is 43995 now.. plus the rear spoiler is around 550 so is 44545 plus 1000 PDI (estimate)
comes up to 45545
i get another 1300 i dunt really know where it go~~
wait, dealer give me front nose mask... that is 300 i estimate~
so now is 1000, by the way.. is that silver thingy around AC air holes also accesories added on???

If this car was 20g;s It would be worth it ,but to me at 30g's too expensive for what u get. If u bought this car to be cool good for u. B/c It's obvious u didn't buy it for performance or hp. If u did u should sell it back If u still can and go get something else.
I mean the car does look nice. But I don't buy a car b/c It looks nice. I buy it for performance, but hey I'm American and I have a stingray so take it or leave it. And yes u can make this car fast just like u can make any car fast just cost a lot of money. I would stay away from a 1st year model b/c they always have problems and usually they get worked out after the 1st year.

yo rx8-is-slow, i wonder what you say on the bmw sites with the 330Ci on generating 225 HP... man, that is weak huh??? and i guess a 0-60 in low six seconds is weak performance as rivals like the g35c with 40+ HP are barely quicker... and if your definition of performance is sports car like handling, what do you say to the mustang svts with globs of HP, but with kia like handling???

and yes, i am american too, and i ill leave it and take your opinion with a grain of salt

Originally posted by RX-8-is-slow
I would stay away from a 1st year model b/c they always have problems and usually they get worked out after the 1st year.

So you wouldn't want a 1953 Vette? :eek:
How about a 1963?
1968?
1984? wait... that WAS a bad year.
1997!

Vettes have their place... but I've never seen any vettes I've known to turn so many heads, to be constantly asked "what kinda car is that!" Muscle cars have their place, I love em. The 8 is not a muscle car... and I didn't want another. The 8 is unique... as are their RX owners. Once you fall for a Rotary... it's hard to get out of the cockpit.

Peace

I think pure speed is only part of what makes the car great. Granted, there are PLENTY of cars that'll whoop up on a stock RX-8 on 1/4 mile dash, but so what? I can buy a Civic, VW, or Neon and soup them up with 15k worth of rice parts and be able to beat out just about any stock 2004 American muscle car. Hell, I can spend $15000 on Ducati that'll blast past any car except for the Enzo. What makes the RX-8 great is its pure uniqueness; it's engine and design. I could have bought a Cobra or Camero for the same price I paid for the RX-8 but then I'd just be driving around in dull uninspired car. The RX-8 is the type of car that has soul, unlike the visually uninspired 330i, Mustang, or Camero. It's difficult to understand if you're looking at cars from only a numbers perspective. There's probably nothing we can say that'll change your mind. If you want pure speed without style, grace, or individuality, go with the Mustang Cobra. But for those who seek to stand out from the crowd nothing beats the RX-8.

Btw, if you bothered to read some of the older threads you'll see that the a slightly modified RX-8 beat out the S2000, RSX R, and a bunch of other cars on a real track.

Originally posted by chopsticker
I could have bought a Cobra or Camero for the same price I paid for the RX-8 but then I'd just be driving around in dull uninspired car.

If you want pure speed without style, grace, or individuality, go with the Mustang Cobra. But for those who seek to stand out from the crowd nothing beats the RX-8.


Hey! Thems fightin words! I live in FORD country... was offered a position at the engine plant here. (disqualified after physical for a bad back). I have friends and family that either work/ed at FORD or DANA and could've gotten me on some sort of "A" plan. I seriously considered a Cobra or Mach at one point. The 8 was excluded from any FORD discount programs... I still got HER!!!!

:D

hehe no offense intended. Mustang and Camero are traditional American muscle cars that have been around for decades. They're woven into Americana, but sadly neither has truely "reinvited" itself and as result no longer enjoys the respect they once had. I do like the new Mustang design though. My point was, the RX-8 truly stands out for both its design and engineering and to me that's refreshing and a reflection of the driver. The Mustang and Camero are no non-sense muscle cars for the no non-sense true-American drivers.

hey idiot learn how to spell since u told me I can't type correctly or make sentences on another post. This is how u spell Camaro ok. Glad I could help. The funny thing is that there is a $20k neon with a turbo that will beat u rx-8 guys in every category. I'm talking about 04 srt-4 vs 04 rx-8. The only thing u guys have on it is u can get laid easier. Hopefully nobody bought this car to get laid b/c that is just sad. I'm talking about handling, top speed, slaloms, 1/4 mile. What is the top speed of the rx-8 by the way. The srt-4 top speed is 153mph.
And these are facts not opinions go read any car review magazine. It's in black and white. Or whatever coloer they use. U can make any car fast. U could go buy a pinto in the yard and put a big block in it and run 9's so what. That point is invalid to me. I'm talking about cars stock vs stock.

Remind all of us here again as to why you're posting on this forum. It's quite obvious you're not a fan of the RX-8 and I doubt you've even test driven one. We've done more than our share to explain to you why we think the RX-8 is a superior sports car and I don't see the need to repeat myself yet again. Your endless droning of 1/4 mile times and top speeds speaks volumes about your completely one sided argument against the 8. I suggest you come back to this board once you develop and appreciation for design and uniqueness.

And who the fuck really cares about the top speed??? Are you seriously going to take the SRT-4 to 153mph??? Does anyone really trust the SRT-4 at 153 on anything but a straight track?

I actually have test driven this car. I test drove 1 at Bommarito Mazda in St.Peters,Mo off of I-70. It was a silver with the 6-speed. They wouldn't let me test drive it until I gave them a 3k deposit down. Right after that I left and test drove a 350z Track edition. It was that beautiful blue color. I liked it more than the rx-8. I'm not going to argue with you about the uniqueness and design. Mazda does good for having a rotary engine. There is no other car that looks like the rx-8 so it is very unique. Last time I checked a sports car by definition is a 2 seater like my vette. I believe the rx-8 has 4 seats right. So I don't think a rx-8 is a sports car. See I'm giving u facts at least. It's not like what i'm writing isn't true right. I will just leave at this. The RX-8 is the greatest handling car ever. Which is pure bs, but I will let it go.I'm not being 1 sided there are cars out that are cheaper and can outhandle a rx-8. STI, EVO8,SRT-4. Cool hopefully u guys paid less than sticker for this car or how much was the markup. The 1 I drove was $32k. So It was marked up a little bit.
Nope I don't like the early vettes. I like the 63's thru 76. After they stopped making the stingray they got slower and uglier. I like the Z06's. I was saying stay away from 1st year cars look at all the problems this car has.

This guy is a troll- just read his posts in the other forums. Ignore him and he'll go away. RX-8-is-slow, you've already had your warning. I suggest you don't push it. If you can't discuss things politely, then don't post anything.

Getting back to the original question, i.e., is the RX-8 worth the price. First start with reading the thread "Little things." (http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9437) You'll see about 100 cool things about the car that you may or may not have already noticed. Definitely way offsets the "missing" 9 hp. Secondly, everyone (including me) always guesses this car is up in the $40s (fully loaded GT with nav.) They're shocked to learn it was $34K out the door. I remember the first review I read of the '8 back in February or so; I remember thinking "Great car, too bad it's outta my price range." Then when I saw the expected price I literally wouldn't believe it; figured it was a typo or something. So yeah, in my opinion it is definitely worth the price I paid.

I think it's worth it , despite tha fact that
it's costing £22,300 ( red, cloth, manual)
and
I haven't driven one yet as there are none here
and
gas is £0.80 a litre
and
I'm waiting until December - hiring a car
So there!
Show me a queue and I'll get in it - it's tradition in these parts

Whoever said that they paid a $3,000 deposit to a dealer for a test drive is either lying or needs to have their head examined.

I've been buying cars for 25 years and have never heard of such a thing, or of any dealer who would actually ask for that (including Porsche when I test drove a 911 a few years back) or any consumer that would be willing to do it.

Just one word of advice....no more drugs for you.

To answer the original question, I have yet to find any car in the high $20K-low $30K range that I like even remotely as well as the RX8, and I drove a bunch of them before I plunked down my money for a winning blue example.

The only other car that's close to that price range (still $10K more) that I would consider would be a Corvette. For the same amount of money, I would consider the S2000, but would have to give up the utility that the RX8 offers.

I don't drive time slips nor numbers (like HP). I do drive the RX8 and it's the best sporting machine I've ever driven, period.

Originally posted by RX-8-is-slow
I actually have test driven this car. I test drove 1 at Bommarito Mazda in St.Peters,Mo off of I-70. It was a silver with the 6-speed. They wouldn't let me test drive it until I gave them a 3k deposit down. Right after that I left and test drove a 350z Track edition. It was that beautiful blue color. I liked it more than the rx-8. I'm not going to argue with you about the uniqueness and design. Mazda does good for having a rotary engine. There is no other car that looks like the rx-8 so it is very unique. Last time I checked a sports car by definition is a 2 seater like my vette. I believe the rx-8 has 4 seats right. So I don't think a rx-8 is a sports car. See I'm giving u facts at least. It's not like what i'm writing isn't true right. I will just leave at this. The RX-8 is the greatest handling car ever. Which is pure bs, but I will let it go.I'm not being 1 sided there are cars out that are cheaper and can outhandle a rx-8. STI, EVO8,SRT-4. Cool hopefully u guys paid less than sticker for this car or how much was the markup. The 1 I drove was $32k. So It was marked up a little bit.
Nope I don't like the early vettes. I like the 63's thru 76. After they stopped making the stingray they got slower and uglier. I like the Z06's. I was saying stay away from 1st year cars look at all the problems this car has.


A sports car by definition is a 2 seater like your vette? So does that mean the Porsche 911 Turbo, which has 4 seats, does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, that will outhandle and outaccelerate your vette, not really a sports car?

You need to ditch the dictionary you are using and go get yourself a new one! :D

I'm getting out of a 4 cyl. SUV---so I'm gonna think this thing is a rocket and have a blast HP issues or not......C'mon....gimme the keys.

man, i was about to post the same thing about the porsche have a 2+2... and also the supras that came 2+2, and also the previous generation 2+2 were sorry coupes cuz they had extra room... this guy needs to get a clue... and 3K for a test drive?? that is ridiculous... get real and stop trolling..

Originally posted by Tweety-nator



A sports car by definition is a 2 seater like your vette? So does that mean the Porsche 911 Turbo, which has 4 seats, does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, that will outhandle and outaccelerate your vette, not really a sports car?

You need to ditch the dictionary you are using and go get yourself a new one! :D

Amen to that....

Two seats is the definition of a ..... 2 SEATER, and nothing more!

By that definition a 1974 260Z would be a sports car, but a 1974 260Z 2+2 would not be a sports car?

Originally posted by RX-8-is-slow
hey idiot learn how to spell since u told me I can't type correctly or make sentences on another post. This is how u spell Camaro ok. Glad I could help. The funny thing is that there is a $20k neon with a turbo that will beat u rx-8 guys in every category. I'm talking about 04 srt-4 vs 04 rx-8. The only thing u guys have on it is u can get laid easier. Hopefully nobody bought this car to get laid b/c that is just sad. I'm talking about handling, top speed, slaloms, 1/4 mile. What is the top speed of the rx-8 by the way. The srt-4 top speed is 153mph.
And these are facts not opinions go read any car review magazine. It's in black and white. Or whatever coloer they use. U can make any car fast. U could go buy a pinto in the yard and put a big block in it and run 9's so what. That point is invalid to me. I'm talking about cars stock vs stock.

A Neon stock sucks...with al due respect. Don't call the SRT-4, stock....please. :o

May I add that I am not degrading the Neon -Im sure its great value for the money....but....well, I guess I have a lot of distrust for Detroit cars....entry-levels at least.

Originally posted by RX8-TX


A Neon stock sucks...with al due respect. Don't call the SRT-4, stock....please. :o

Actually I'll go one step further... please dont even mention that car on here. I don't care if they pump it up to 450 hp, it is still a DODGE NEON. If all you want is something fast, go buy one RX-8-is-slow and stop wasting your time on here.

BRAVO

Graphic guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You found what I did "IN THE PRICE RANGE" is a big factor here. THe 350 Z I test drove was a Touring model for $38K. I would NEVER pay $7K more for a Z. The closest thing I found was the G35 sedan.
look at these:

http://www.racv.com.au/Coporate/RoyalAutoArticle.asp?d_id=2354

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/a_1841/article.htm

oh and don't forget the torsional rigidity thread!

Car is our toy. If you can afford one, it's worth it. Only poor people think the car they can't afford is not worth it.

Originally posted by RodsterinFL
THe 350 Z I test drove was a Touring model for $38K. I would NEVER pay $7K more for a Z.

Good lord...you must live in L.A. or something b/c the touring model is only $32-33k...and thats MSRP...you can easily get a touring nowadays for under $32k...thats w/o navigation though. Just trying to give the correct facts about the Z...

....do you guys hate the Z b/c Blue350 or whatever his name was keeps bashing on this forum? I like both cars for different reasons...in the end i chose the z...i'm different from other pple on this forum

Originally posted by donald121
Car is our toy. If you can afford one, it's worth it. Only poor people think the car they can't afford is not worth it.

Now that is not nice, some people can not help their financial fortunes, or lack thereof

Originally posted by zthang


Good lord...you must live in L.A. or something b/c the touring model is only $32-33k...and thats MSRP...you can easily get a touring nowadays for under $32k...thats w/o navigation though. Just trying to give the correct facts about the Z...

....do you guys hate the Z b/c Blue350 or whatever his name was keeps bashing on this forum? I like both cars for different reasons...in the end i chose the z...i'm different from other pple on this forum

I dont believe the guys here hate Z'ers, I myself own (or will own) a 350Z Enthusiast and have been warmly welcomed by some of the folks here. It is not the Z they hate, its the trolls that constantly bash the RX-8.

That $38k price though is quite excessive. I remember seeing a USED 350Z touring last year that was only a month old and had 4000 miles on it and the salesman wanted $38k! Haha! What a rip-off.

Nowadays Zs are going for $1000 or more under MSRP. I even read on a forum that one guy got his for $500 over invoice. I am getting mine for $1000 under MSRP at $28k. No way am I going to pay $38k for a Z, might as well get its upscale brother the G35C fully loaded!

"its the trolls that constantly bash the RX-8."

Yup, that is just about right.

Originally posted by zthang


Good lord...you must live in L.A. or something b/c the touring model is only $32-33k...and thats MSRP...you can easily get a touring nowadays for under $32k...thats w/o navigation though. Just trying to give the correct facts about the Z...

....do you guys hate the Z b/c Blue350 or whatever his name was keeps bashing on this forum? I like both cars for different reasons...in the end i chose the z...i'm different from other pple on this forum

Zthang...actually, I like the Z/G cars. They came in 2nd on my list, but I did like them. I can certainly see why they've been a success.

I "tussled" with 350 blue for a while, but that's because I caught him lying about a bunch of stuff and his ridiculous statements.

Truth is, I don't mind anyone coming here who owns a Z/G to give us their impressions of their cars as long as it doesn't turn into stating stuff that's just a load of crap.

There are some trolls who come here to "trash talk". I, for one, consider that like having someone coming over to my house as my guest and then they trash my house.

This is the home for RX8 owners or those that are seriously considering the car. I don't like it trashed.

Before I bought the RX8, I perused this board as well as the 350Z board. I found those at the 350Z board to be accomodating, in general. I didn't go over there to trash their rides, however...even though the car ended up being my 2nd choice.

I really wonder if anyone can honestly say they can detect the difference in horsepower.

I based my descision on the handling and the ride, not just the acceleration numbers.

My main comparison was the S2000 which is routinely pegged as the best two seater in the 30-60k range. It beat the Boxster, the 350Z, the Z4 in a recent review I read.

I drove an S2000 and and the RX-8. I found they had a similar feel on the road, but I liked the smoothness of the rotary at the higher RPM's, (the S2000 sounded like it was really complaining at 8,000 RPM) I like the back seat.

And this way I can convince my wife to let me keep my Miata!

Oh, I also drove a g35...very nice, but it still feels like a sedan, not a go-cart like racer you can toss around corners.:D

Posted today on the Yahoo Forums RX-8 list:

"Am looking at getting a red w/ grand touring... Dealership is
willing to take $2500 off the MSRP - it that a good deal? They have
about 45 of them - in all the colors.

thanks in advance. Any options I should make sure and get and/or
stay away from?"

hmm. Well I went back to the Nissan dealer later. THey were closed and the window sticker says $38!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The "addendum sticker" is added on. They added dealer junk and a different 18" wheel of some sort.

At any rate, I would not buy one. I don't hate Z'ers (the people) just don't like the Z. Those of you that want one - go for it. It rides like a 60's vette to me. I say that only because of my own shock at a modern car riding like it does. TO stay on thread topic, the RX 8 doesn't need as much HP to perform with the big boys in normal driving situations. Drag racing? The difference would show up but... whatever.

I posted it above but look at this Z people:

http://www.racv.com.au/Coporate/RoyalAutoArticle.asp?d_id=2354

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/a_1841/article.htm

To get "like for like" equimpment levels with the Z/G, it would cost about 3K more than an RX8 (both cars loaded). And you can't even get a sunroof on a Z. Getting the sunroof as well as the back seat in the G and that figures to be over a $4K difference in prce vs the RX8.

Nothing against either the Z or the G, but for that amount of money, I'd add a few thou more and get a Corvette instead.