View Full Version : Racing Beat Gauge Pod Update
oryas 09-26-2006, 04:58 PM A couple of weeks ago I was bitching about racing beat taking so long to produce their gauge pod. It looks like they updated their website with an explanation as well as a preview of their gauge prototype. Looks great.
http://www.racingbeat.com/photos/11816L.jpg
zoom44 09-26-2006, 05:19 PM yeah thats nice! i talked to Jim Langer just a few days ago on the 20th and he said
"I received the final prototype of the gauge pod yesterday, I will be calling
the shop today with the "go-ahead" to product the final batch. I would
expect to see them within a couple of weeks." so they are just waiting for stock to arrive
http://www.racingbeat.com/photos/11816L.jpg
r0tor 09-26-2006, 05:25 PM looks a bit crowded down there
zoom44 09-26-2006, 05:27 PM i put money down that you would be the first to post a negative comment in this thread. thanks for contributing to my 7stock fund:)
I like it, I think I would use different gauges, though.
r0tor 09-26-2006, 06:12 PM i put money down that you would be the first to post a negative comment in this thread. thanks for contributing to my 7stock fund:)
glad to be of service.... for the record, i was actually looking forward to these though - oh well
zoom44 09-26-2006, 06:19 PM you just cant help yourself:)
therm8 09-26-2006, 06:24 PM What in the world would I do with all my pennies?? :) . Seriously though, isn't it a bit out of the preferred line of sight for driving? Digital gauges would likely be better in that location so you can just glance down and get instant information to your brain, rather than having to determine what the gauge is reading. I'm spoiled by the digital speedo, analog ones are now difficult to get used to.
Edit: I guess once you become used to the scales on each guage it probably wouldn't be an issue. You could get a ballpark # at a glance.
chr1s 09-26-2006, 06:28 PM i like them, but I had gauges down in the cd player slot in my old mustang, which was in a similar location to the ashtray on the rx8. It absolutely sucked ass for doing anything besides looking "cool". Driving and taking a quick "glance" at the gauges was downright dangerous.
DerWankels solution is much better. It looks stock and the gauges can be easily viewed without losing your peripherial vision of the road.
Moostafa29 09-26-2006, 06:32 PM Thought about doing something like that once upon a time, but didn't think it would fit. Looks like they really squeezed it in there.
r0tor 09-26-2006, 06:34 PM What in the world would I do with all my pennies?? :) . Seriously though, isn't it a bit out of the preferred line of sight for driving? Digital gauges would likely be better in that location so you can just glance down and get instant information to your brain, rather than having to determine what the gauge is reading. I'm spoiled by the digital speedo, analog ones are now difficult to get used to.
Edit: I guess once you become used to the scales on each guage it probably wouldn't be an issue. You could get a ballpark # at a glance.
a solution is the Defi-Link display which you can hook up to display any gauge you want and have it programmed to grab your attention if something goes wrong... i've looked at them and it would fit in the ashtray area but in its current state its a bit too archaic looking for my taste
not to mention the total for the defi-link II, link display, the the temp and pressure transducers is outrageous and then you still have to craft some sort of frame
edit-> just saw Blitz has a very nice setup in the MMd I color guage that does the same thing as the Defi-Link plus is a dyno all while looking goog... looks like about $700 for everything though
UFGator12 09-26-2006, 07:05 PM I want to see a pic of them when they are on. Are they going to move at all? I mean I know the pressure one on the dash is a dummie gauge and I hope this one would actually move. I wish one of them was oil level. I don't even know if that's possible though.
chr1s 09-26-2006, 07:30 PM yes they'll all move. There is no oil temp gauge, so thats a nice addition.
The water temp gauge will mimic the gauge in the car, it's really only there to get an actual temperature reading of the fluid.
The oil pressure gauge will move all the time, stepping on the gas and off, will produce changes in oil pressure.
The oil pressure gauge in our car is just "pressure? yes/no?" regardless of what the pressure actually is. If you've got it, the gauge goes to the same spot it always does.
I've been thinking of going with vacuum, oil pressure, and either oil or water temp. Not 100% sure yet, but I'm leaning towards oil temperature.
Umbra 09-26-2006, 07:34 PM DerWankels solution is much better. I'd agree, it's not a good spot and it looks crowded and like the panel doesn't fit quite right.
I think the best solution is a heads up display.
mikeschaefer 09-27-2006, 03:37 AM I would use the Autometer Nexus line of gauges. You can switch the colors of the gauges to match your daytime or nighttime dash. They also can be programmed to turn a certain color if you are approaching a preset danger value (ie. lean, overboost, oil pressure drop).
I would definitely place gauges that monitor more critical values up on the dash with the derwankel pod (afr, boost) and if I feel like I want to add more gauges later put them in the ashtray spot with the RB pod. You're talking about a lot of cash for gauges though. :p
foo77 09-27-2006, 04:33 AM finally the 3 gauge instrument cluster panel :cool: i like the look with glossy black pod,nice :) i know it seem crowded down there,but nobody ever made and install 3 gauge in it ;) kudos to Racing Beat :score:
olddragger 09-27-2006, 07:03 AM RB makes quality stuff. I am a little surprised they went this route. Definitely out of line of sight and believe me the back side of that panel is going to be more crowed than the front side. You would almost have to use electrical gauges with this setup as the mechanical ones line may not be able to take all the bends they would need to get to where they need to go.
I just dont understand why someone in the business does not make an affordable center pod gauge mount for this car.
olddragger
chr1s 09-27-2006, 09:31 AM I just dont understand why someone in the business does not make an affordable center pod gauge mount for this car.
olddragger DerWankel will be soon. He's already debuted it. If you know where to look you can find the price too. It's reasonable for what he's done and how it's perfect stock looking.
Red Devil 09-27-2006, 09:36 AM I really like this location. It is very stealthy and not at all distracting. Really something you can glance at every once in a while and leave it at that.
supergoat 09-27-2006, 09:44 AM I have gauges in the exact same location in my Probe. I wouldn't do it to the RX-8 as I use that area for storing stuff.
It looks like a quality product though, like everything from RB.
LiL BenNy 09-27-2006, 10:58 AM i want gauges the mount ontop of the nav screen, so when you need the nav it will still pop up (though you wont be able to see the gauges) but i dont need to see the gauges all the time nor use the nav all the time... to me thats the best idea..
XDEEDUBBX 09-27-2006, 11:20 AM dam thats a tight fit...
Jedi54 09-27-2006, 01:16 PM yikes, can't believe they got all of them to fit! If only they matched colors with our display, that would be SWEEEET!!
(goes in search of Derwankle's guages...)
mysql101 09-27-2006, 02:21 PM I like it.
I would not want something in the nav area since I have a nav, and I would NOT want something that attached to the top of the nav screen either.
It might be out of the line of sight, but if I had any problems it's not a big deal to look down. My main items are afr and boost, and they're already on my steering column.
right now I'm using the scangauge2, it has an LCD, so I'm using it for coolant temp, mpg, intake temp and some forth thing that I can't remember right now..
Jedi54 09-27-2006, 02:22 PM mysql101: these would look SWEET in your car...
Fanman 09-27-2006, 03:15 PM That looks pretty nice. I would definitely think about getting it. I currently have the A Pillar gauge pod, but that location is a bit more stealthy. With the cops cracking down on modified cars, this is a good thing. The problem with the gauge pod on the dash was that previous units were pricey ($450-$500). I tried ordering the R Magic gauge pod that was similar (but with 2 60 mm gauges) but they took forever, charged a butt load, and wound up flaking out.
devious12 09-27-2006, 05:19 PM It would be pretty cool if they could make flip-up gauges that were mounted flush with the dash on the sides of the navi. It would look something like the air vents that fold close.
Mazdaspeed RX8 ver2 09-27-2006, 05:23 PM a little too croweded for my taste, on the other hand, would perfer the mazdaspeed guages.. i just wont be able to have a nav after that...
Argento Otto 09-27-2006, 05:34 PM Racing Beat's gauges/location are PC: poor (even dangerous) location, guages don't have "look and feel" of interior. Looks kinda tacky to me, at least.
Derwankel's are nice and Mac: better location, guages and housing keep "look and feel" of a stock interior.
zoom44 09-27-2006, 06:52 PM i dont see where it says what guages come with the pod. they could be different in the final package- or they could offer it with a couple options or none at all and let you get your own. they look fien to me but im not picky about lighting color etc. id prefer electrical tho.
Mzdarx8 09-27-2006, 08:41 PM Well as far as location i just don't know? Why would you put them in the ash tray location down there? Can you imagine going down a straight at 110mph or a turn and have to take a quick look down there to see what your temps or pressures are doing!! Very scarry to me. Focus should be straight ahead if your racing.
I love Racing Beat products but this one i don't know!
Just my thoughts!
zoom44 09-27-2006, 09:30 PM where is everyone? there were tons of people begging for this to come out and now all i see is people who dont like the idea.
i remember how everyone was in love with the Rmagic one but didnt get it because it was hard to get and cost too much.
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21087&stc=1
so Racing Beat goes the distance even after having a supplier completly drop the ball, comes out with a better looking option, imho,
http://www.racingbeat.com/photos/11816L.jpg
that will undoubtedly be cheaper and easier to get. and still hardly any of you are satisfied.
i just dont get it.
please dont take this as anger- im not. im just at little taken aback by the reaction to a product that so many people were pushing for. its mind boggling
Trekk 09-27-2006, 09:35 PM The REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL question is!!!!
Where am I gonna put my coins now?
abbid 09-27-2006, 09:36 PM Put em in the coin holder on the left side right above the DSC off button...
mike1324a 09-27-2006, 09:41 PM I think its pretty cool. Any idea on if there will be a guage package available or if we have to find our own guages. The Autometer nexus guages are really cool but pretty expensive.
mikeschaefer 09-27-2006, 10:52 PM man who would use the coin holder to hold coins!? haha /sarcasm
Anyway I think this pod will look fine as long as you use gauges that match the factory gauges.
Include me in the side that doesn't care about the storage space. There is already plenty of storage space that I don't even use.
chr1s 09-28-2006, 09:12 AM where is everyone? there were tons of people begging for this to come out and now all i see is people who dont like the idea.
i remember how everyone was in love with the Rmagic one but didnt get it because it was hard to get and cost too much.
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21087&stc=1
so Racing Beat goes the distance even after having a supplier completly drop the ball, comes out with a better looking option, imho,
http://www.racingbeat.com/photos/11816L.jpg
that will undoubtedly be cheaper and easier to get. and still hardly any of you are satisfied.
i just dont get it.
please dont take this as anger- im not. im just at little taken aback by the reaction to a product that so many people were pushing for. its mind boggling maybe because it's ugly, is in a terrible position, looks cramped, and DerWankel has a much better solution for a reasonable price that looks stock?
Jedi54 09-28-2006, 09:48 AM Derwankle's product is designed for people who ACTUALLY want their pods up on the front mount. Zoom is right: I've read TONS of posts about people who actually WANTED guages down by the shifter. So in that case, no....derwankle's is NOT better for those people.
(or those of us who have a Nav system)
devious12 09-28-2006, 10:36 AM I'd buy one, rather than having it on the A-pillar which is just causes more blind spots than the car already has. I just wish they were more stealth.
Nemesis8 09-28-2006, 11:06 AM That looks OK, but I like this better
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33371
Jedi54 09-28-2006, 11:37 AM Nemisis: that looks HOT!
Renesis_8 09-28-2006, 11:46 AM Too bad we'll never get that...
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rotarygod 09-28-2006, 11:47 AM I don't see what the issue is with this location. At least it's not some tacky cheap crap ass a-pillar setup. Those things suck and are terribly ugly! This blends in nicely. I also don't see what the issue is with gauges being out of the way. I know someone complained that it wasn't driect line of sight. So what? If you are adding gauges that you don't have now, why do you need to have them in your direct line of sight? You don't have those gauges right now and are getting along just fine. 2 that I would put down there would be a boost gauge and an a/f gauge. Neither of which is useful for anything but reference or tuning and you don't tune by yourself while you are driving.
It is so typical for people to ask for a product and then complain about what finally comes out.
LostAngel 09-28-2006, 11:48 AM Too bad we'll never get that...
CarPC = you can get that...and if you go about getting software a company offers...chances are it's DLL's will be available that if you have any programming ability...you could use them to make your own front end...this is what I plan on doing once my CarPC is finished. :)
olddragger 09-28-2006, 11:59 AM This is a nice package--RB, quality is always exceptional. It's good to have choices. I think the people that were asking for pods are the ones that are really using their gauges(on the track) and with them(which I am one) this area is not good.
If I was on the street/autocross/show roster then this would be a serious contender.
olddragger
chr1s 09-28-2006, 12:15 PM If you are adding gauges that you don't have now, why do you need to have them in your direct line of sight? You don't have those gauges right now and are getting along just fine. By that logic, why do you need a intake, exhaust, blower, short throw shifter, etc.....? Plenty of people don't have those things and are getting along just fine, but why do they want them? There's really no need to have them? Right? The car runs fine without them. People don't *need* those extra gauges, so why do they get them?
We're getting into a discussion about personal taste, in which nobody wins. Some people will buy the RB gauge pod, some people will buy DerWankels, and some people will buy the a-pillar gauge pods. So what? It's true that in my previous posts I've been pushing Der's product, but it's mostly for people who are on the fence about which product to purchase.
Derwankle's product is designed for people who ACTUALLY want their pods up on the front mount. Zoom is right: I've read TONS of posts about people who actually WANTED guages down by the shifter. So in that case, no....derwankle's is NOT better for those people.
(or those of us who have a Nav system) I never said zoom was wrong. He was asking why people were bitching, I gave him what I thought was a reason.
mysql101 09-28-2006, 12:24 PM What will be nice about this is that RB already offers adaptors for water and oil. So now they can offer everything in one complete package. Gauges, pod and all hardware needed.
It's been said before, but I have the navi, so that location is out. A piller is too apparent and I prefer stealth. So this is a great addition.
If someone doesn't like it, just don't buy it. It's not creative criticism when it's just bitching.
r0tor 09-28-2006, 12:32 PM CarPC = you can get that...and if you go about getting software a company offers...chances are it's DLL's will be available that if you have any programming ability...you could use them to make your own front end...this is what I plan on doing once my CarPC is finished. :)
the only way your going to be able to get that with a car PC is you have an anolog input hardware adaptors on your computer to receive voltages from the oil P and T sensors and have the software to convert the signals... since they are not in our ECU to get through a CAN reader...
this would work though...
http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk/images/I-Color2-sm.gif http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk/images/I-Color-Screenshots.gif
LostAngel 09-28-2006, 12:51 PM http://www.mazdaparts.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=A0000-1151625265
nycgps 09-28-2006, 02:52 PM Now all I worry is the price.
How much does the whole thing going to cost ? (all 3 gauges, all the wires, water adapter, Oil adapter, and the Frame itself)
zoom44 09-28-2006, 02:53 PM the only way your going to be able to get that with a car PC is you have an anolog input hardware adaptors on your computer to receive voltages from the oil P and T sensors and have the software to convert the signals... since they are not in our ECU to get through a CAN reader...
i was actually looking into this last year /early this year. and someone on this forum knew a person who actually built a box to do it. i had pms with him and then lost them and los ttouch with him. but basically it had like 6 inputs for electrical senders. the box could mount on your firewall and then be conncected on th eother side to the car pc. a bit of software then translated that into guages or whatever on your screen. i even talked to one company (http://www.palmerperformance.com/)who makes a CAN compatible scanner software about adding support for the input so the data could even be logged alonside the input from the ecu. palmer had already added support for the LM-1/LC-1 sensor input so they thought it wouldnt be much more difficult to add more support.
but now i cant find any of the info i had on the box itself or who it was that was making it:(
Slick8 09-28-2006, 03:03 PM Anybody prefer red led digital gauges to match the dash?
r0tor 09-28-2006, 05:48 PM i was actually looking into this last year /early this year. and someone on this forum knew a person who actually built a box to do it. i had pms with him and then lost them and los ttouch with him. but basically it had like 6 inputs for electrical senders. the box could mount on your firewall and then be conncected on th eother side to the car pc. a bit of software then translated that into guages or whatever on your screen. i even talked to one company (http://www.palmerperformance.com/)who makes a CAN compatible scanner software about adding support for the input so the data could even be logged alonside the input from the ecu. palmer had already added support for the LM-1/LC-1 sensor input so they thought it wouldnt be much more difficult to add more support.
but now i cant find any of the info i had on the box itself or who it was that was making it:(
i've been waiting for some company to do a CAN reader + electronic guage setup... I'd buy that in a heartbeat
At some point in my college days we had analog input boxes and computer software to read them - i can't remember who made them though but they always had some proprietary software to operate. I also recently did some work with some new standalone PLCs that can talk to a PC through OPC and an ethernet cable, but those setups are in the $1k range and pretty bulky.
r0tor 09-28-2006, 05:53 PM http://www.mazdaparts.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=A0000-1151625265
Again, oil temperature and pressure are not inputs to the PCM - so they are not available to a program like the Scanalyzer... unless you have some secret info that Hymee is building an aux function into his software and supplying analog boxes for a computer that will interface with sensor outputs.
Raptor75 09-28-2006, 08:48 PM Personally I like it, very unobtrusive and flows with the three circular controls above it. Much better then something that looks like they glued it to the top of the dash I do think they should have carried the edges out a little, it would fit better. Nice to see it is available.
zenmoused 09-28-2006, 11:03 PM Sorry, but that gauge pod looks like a bad idea. Who wants to look at their ashtray long enough while they're driving to read three analog gauges? It looks nice, yeah, and it's probably easier to install/wire than a dash-mount, but I would never put that in my car. That's just asking for an accident.
Rx7Roadster 09-29-2006, 08:26 AM Analog gauges can be read at a glance. You know where the needle is supposed to be and if it isnt there then there is something wrong. The actual value isnt important.
chr1s 09-29-2006, 09:16 AM Analog gauges can be read at a glance. You know where the needle is supposed to be and if it isnt there then there is something wrong. The actual value isnt important. You're the reason we have dummy oil gauges.
*sigh*
dgrx8 09-29-2006, 09:53 AM i would buy this pod.
like rg said, we've all gotten along just fine all this time.
i also don't see the big deal w/ having to have them installed in the line of sight. they are there just for monitoring your vehicle. they are not to be looked at constantly as you drive. like RX7roadster said, if you notice the needle is not where it should be, then you just may be able to prevent or correct any malfunctions.
Rx7Roadster 09-29-2006, 10:37 AM No im not. It doesnt take more then half a second to read a gauge. I dont know why you would want to stare at it.
expo1 09-29-2006, 10:47 AM No im not. It doesnt take more then half a second to read a gauge. I dont know why you would want to stare at it.Plus you should install the gauges so that the needles all point in the same direction under normal conditions.
Trekk 09-29-2006, 12:56 PM Boost gauge is the only thing ive found worth watching.
Argento Otto 09-29-2006, 01:28 PM Analog gauges are easier for your brain to "process" than a digital number. That's why tachs are almost always analog even though they can easily (and less expensively) be made to be a digital number.
So, with that in mind, of course you should have gauges set up in a line-of-sight pattern. It's called ergonomics. Your peripheral vision can "glance" at analog gauges when their line-of-sight at the dash level. You'd have to "look" down (not "glance") to read RB's gauge cluster because they are out of your peripheral vision. That's not safe.
I think people are compaining about RB's product because it's not what they expected. I understand that RB's design is such that it won't alienate owners that have the factory NAV, but that's where compromise comes in. Those owners who don't have the factory nav have the freedom to use a gauge cluster mounted on the dash (like Derwankel's or whoever's).
mysql101 09-29-2006, 01:48 PM Boost gauge is the only thing ive found worth watching.+AFR
mahuna 09-29-2006, 04:54 PM where can one buy Derwankels pod........i`ve seen it, but never seen where to buy it.
zoom44 09-29-2006, 06:48 PM hes not selling it yet. he'll do a group buy after the puddle light etc group buy
Razz1 09-29-2006, 07:02 PM hes not selling it yet. he'll do a group buy after the puddle light etc group buy
Damn those puddles are in our way :tear:
Nemesis8 09-30-2006, 10:25 AM Nemisis: that looks HOT!Here is the old thread: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=44297
I never had an answer...
Trekk 09-30-2006, 05:28 PM +AFR
I'd watch EGT before AFR. Unless maybe you have a true wideban. Even then I'd think the EGT tells a better story
mysql101 09-30-2006, 05:34 PM I'd watch EGT before AFR. Unless maybe you have a true wideban. Even then I'd think the EGT tells a better storyI'd rather see that I'm hitting 15 AFR under boost than wait till the exhaust is hotter than normal.
nycgps 09-30-2006, 07:19 PM Enough !
How Much ?
bnr_rx8 09-30-2006, 08:06 PM i agree how much does this go for?
MrWigggles 09-30-2006, 09:44 PM Since most are complaining aboust something in this thread, I will add my own.
What the hell's wrong with you guys? Most posts in this thread dictate the "right way to do it" when the "right way to do it" won't be the same for everyone. And I think most of the posters know their logic is flawed even as they post. Some examples of the less than perfect logic:
"So-and-so is going to have a much better gauge set-up really soon." Sorry, but "really soon" doesn't usually mean "really soon" when it comes to RX-8 developement. So, I don't consider the "wait and see" a good approach for everyone.
"The only good place for a guage pop is up high." For someone who has nav or dislikes the a-pillar stuff, that isn't going to be the best sollution.
"I know this guy who has software that can interface your car-pc with your nav screen, blah, blah, blah...." I stopped reading after Car-pc and nav screen. If you don't have either it isn't a cost-effective option. And can we please stop posting the circa-2003 Mazdaspeed nav display? I don't think anyone even knows if that thing worked, but I still see that same exact picture over and over again (note the RHD in the picture.) Don't get people excited about something that really doesn't exist.
and to Racing Beat product itself:
"That's a great location because who needs to look a gauges on-the-fly anyways?" 1/4 milers or autocrossers maybe? If gauges were simply meant for tuning, then you wouldn't need permenant ones; temporary ones would be just fine. Different strokes...
For me personally the Racing Beat doesn't work because that is where my 5.1 audio processor controll goes, but I don't post: "That location sucks. Everyone knows that where you put your 5.1 audio processor controller. What were they thinking?" Now if I didn't have my controller there, the RB product would work O.K. for me provided I could find guages that had alarms, buzzers or really bright indicators when something went out of tollerance. I think you need something to grab your attention since the guages are not in the best visual location. But if you have good eye sight then maybe they are fine for you.
Now for the best quote of the thread:
Enough !
How Much ?
I couldn't have said it better.
-Mr. Wigggles
dgrx8 10-04-2006, 09:51 AM now now children...
Raptor75 10-04-2006, 05:29 PM No im not. It doesnt take more then half a second to read a gauge. I dont know why you would want to stare at it.
You are correct, a well set up instrument panel use to have all monitoring gauges set to point up if all was running normal so with a sweep of the eye a needle not pointing up and down would instantly alert the drive to a possible problem.
Edit:
As I finished reading this thread I see this was already covered. Sorry for the redundancy.
nycgps 10-04-2006, 06:22 PM Shut up ! all of you !
How much !?
TeamRX8 10-04-2006, 08:18 PM well if you're racing you'll probably want this:
http://www.aimsports.com/images/products/product_mxl_strada.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/images/auto/mxl-porsche-gt3.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/products/mxl-chooser.html
Razz1 10-04-2006, 08:39 PM That may be nice, but it's too small to see at a glance.
But then really you should listen and feel your car....... so it's practical.
TeamRX8 10-05-2006, 01:35 AM So you think real racers look down and stare at it during competition? FWIW, that's a Porsche GT3 that it's installed in for the pic above ....
let's just approx. $250 - $350 for the Derwankel pod plus $500 - $650 for three decent gauges and all you end up with are three gauges. The capability of the AIM display greatly exceeds this. The MXL Strada retails for $999 and all you have to do is tap several wires into the OBD2 plug wiring
Boris and Natasha 10-26-2006, 01:42 PM Any new word on the RB guage pod?
Renesis_8 10-26-2006, 04:56 PM well if you're racing you'll probably want this:
http://www.aimsports.com/images/products/product_mxl_strada.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/images/auto/mxl-porsche-gt3.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/products/mxl-chooser.html
Maybe you could mount this somewhere else? would the normal tacho and speedo still work with that connected?
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Paul_in_DC 10-26-2006, 07:16 PM well if you're racing you'll probably want this:
http://www.aimsports.com/images/products/product_mxl_strada.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/images/auto/mxl-porsche-gt3.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/products/mxl-chooser.html
Very nice, though a bit more than I want/need for the forseeable future. Right now all I want is the 3 gauges (Oil-P, Oil-T, H2O-T). Putting them in the ash tray is out - looking down is a bad idea at 100+ mph. I have a Nav, so the Der pod is out too, so I'll have to go A-pillar. If I don't find a 3-gauge mount for the 8 by next season, it'll just have to be 3 gauges mounted individually on the A-pillar.
Boris and Natasha 10-27-2006, 12:49 AM wow what does this have to do wirh racing beats guage pod in the tray?
this is worthless to me, and to anyone not racing.
Paul_in_DC 10-27-2006, 04:57 AM So you think real racers look down and stare at it during competition? FWIW, that's a Porsche GT3 that it's installed in for the pic above ....
let's just approx. $250 - $350 for the Derwankel pod plus $500 - $650 for three decent gauges and all you end up with are three gauges. The capability of the AIM display greatly exceeds this. The MXL Strada retails for $999 and all you have to do is tap several wires into the OBD2 plug wiringHow difficult is that thing to install/remove? Can you quickly "plug it in" when you get to the track, then remove it before driving home?
nazgul350r 10-27-2006, 11:36 AM well if you're racing you'll probably want this:
http://www.aimsports.com/images/products/product_mxl_strada.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/images/auto/mxl-porsche-gt3.jpg
http://www.aimsports.com/products/mxl-chooser.html
and from what I read if you get the Pista you also get datalogging capablies.
Boris and Natasha 10-30-2006, 06:59 PM Well, RB's guage pod is out.
Under:select category,oil system,RX8 guage panel kit.
mysql101 10-30-2006, 07:06 PM direct link: http://www.racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?PartNumber=11816
Price 449
So I'm going to assume we'll be able to get it for just under 400 plus shipping.
Kind of nice that it comes with everything you need to make it simpler, but I sort of wish they had the panel available without the gauges. I liked this but had other gauges in mind that I felt matched the rx8 stock gauges much better.
JB_Rotary 10-31-2006, 10:11 AM I'd pick one up.
dgrx8 10-31-2006, 10:52 AM function before form
rotarygod 10-31-2006, 11:01 AM I got to see it out at RB a couple of days ago. It's a nice piece. It looks really good in the car. I know some people want them higher up so just go buy something different. It isn't bad that low and if you absolutely must be able to see your gauges placed up high then without them with a stock setup everyone must be just sweating bullets. It looks good and ashtrays have no other use anyways.
Nemesis8 10-31-2006, 11:17 AM Can we relocate the lighter for power access to say the passenger air bag light plug next to the glovebox? Or does this kit use that as the power source? I think I saw this somewhere, and even posted in the thread.
Trekk 10-31-2006, 12:54 PM I'd like 1 but I first wanna know about the outlet. I need a place for my cell and radar to plug into... I've never tried the plug for the air pump. Would that work as a power outlet also?
JB_Rotary 10-31-2006, 01:11 PM I'd like 1 but I first wanna know about the outlet. I need a place for my cell and radar to plug into... I've never tried the plug for the air pump. Would that work as a power outlet also?
yes. That's where I plug my ipod into
t-run/8 10-31-2006, 01:18 PM I use both sockets for my radar and ipod
Jedi54 10-31-2006, 02:43 PM Saw this in person at SS9 and it looked really sharp! For someone whose non-turbo'd and just wants something cool in their car (that somewhat serves a small function) this isn't a bad option.
Red Devil 10-31-2006, 03:32 PM $450, I think that's a pretty good deal since it comes with everything including gauges. I'll be getting this during the upcoming winter.
JB_Rotary 10-31-2006, 03:43 PM $450, I think that's a pretty good deal since it comes with everything including gauges. I'll be getting this during the upcoming winter.
+1
zoom44 10-31-2006, 04:56 PM lets get the Dosdog in here since he is currently the one and only owner in the world:) he picked up the first one on the shelf at Racing Beat on sunday. moving the socket tot he airbag light position should be no problem
Nemesis8 11-01-2006, 03:31 PM the dosdog is a modaholic for sure :)
what about the lights dimming??
N rider89 11-01-2006, 09:51 PM it looks really nice in person totally blended in with the interior
Boris and Natasha 11-03-2006, 04:55 PM Yes they look really sweet, a definite buy. These 3 should have come standard with the car in the first place.
Nemesis8 11-05-2006, 01:13 AM repeat - do the lights dim?
nycgps 11-05-2006, 06:36 AM Im getting it in December ! Now my CC bill is a bit tight .... Im just going to pay it off this month and a brand new START ! :-D
Boris and Natasha 11-05-2006, 06:50 AM repeat - do the lights dim?
The Racing Beat Gauge Panel Kit comes complete and pre-assembled for quick installation, and includes provisions for connection to the instrument panel lighting.
Thats off the website.
So I guess so. :)
foo77 11-05-2006, 06:58 AM it'll be my next mod :)
TheDosDog 11-05-2006, 12:12 PM lets get the Dosdog in here since he is currently the one and only owner in the world:) he picked up the first one on the shelf at Racing Beat on sunday. moving the socket tot he airbag light position should be no problem
I'll be installing them this week so I'll give you an update.
It appears the gauge illumination connects to the lighter illumination ring circuit so it should dim with the rest of the dash lights.
Nemesis8 11-05-2006, 04:30 PM Cool - thanks
EXILE 11-05-2006, 05:50 PM When you install the racing beat gauge pod, can you relocate power outlet somewhere else to use?
EXILE
Jedi54 11-05-2006, 06:01 PM someone hurry up and install this: I want to see pics at night.
mikeschaefer 11-06-2006, 05:59 AM When you install the racing beat gauge pod, can you relocate power outlet somewhere else to use?
EXILE
With time and creativity you can do anything you want :)
fisherdn 11-07-2006, 02:45 PM For anyone interested I asked Jim Langer from Racing Beat about replacing a gauge from this set with a boost gauge when needed. Here's his response:
"Sure, you can swap out any of the gauges in this panel very easily. In fact, Autometer offers several different configurations of boost gauges in the Sport-Comp line. These will match the look of the other gauges exactly. (The gauges we offer are the 2-1/16" units - you can see the entire line at the Autometer website at www.autometer.com)"
expo1 11-09-2006, 03:31 PM Just thought I would post some pics of what came via UPS today. The thing that sucks is I can't install it for alomst two weeks due to a upcoming vacation. Stuff looks good by the way.
dgrx8 11-09-2006, 03:56 PM doesn't look like a good match to the piano black interior to me... but, i may be wrong...
Boris and Natasha 11-09-2006, 04:27 PM Very nice Expo, I'm sure someone here has the time to install it, but it might not be in the car ya had in mind. :)
Jedi54 11-09-2006, 04:39 PM dgrx8: I saw the production version in Racing Beat's car at SevenStock and the match is actually almost dead on. Must be the lighting in Expo's pics. Expo, can you confirm the color match for us? Perfect?, good? bad?
- oh, and for the record: Expo, I'm super jealous...
N rider89 11-09-2006, 05:49 PM yeah at 7 stock it looked dead on
expo1 11-09-2006, 09:23 PM dgrx8: I saw the production version in Racing Beat's car at SevenStock and the match is actually almost dead on. Must be the lighting in Expo's pics. Expo, can you confirm the color match for us? Perfect?, good? bad?
- oh, and for the record: Expo, I'm super jealous...
I would say the color match is very good. By the way the install has you going under the car to run the lines to the sending units. You route them under the shift boot and next to the trans to the engine bay. This will take a little time, more than I have in the next 24 hours.
Razz1 11-09-2006, 09:46 PM Damn it's pretty hot near the shifter and even hotter near to the tranny.
I wonder if those cables are heat shielded.
Wouldn't it be easier to run them straight behind the ash tray or behind the glove box.
All you need is rubber groments and silicone.
mikeschaefer 11-09-2006, 10:16 PM By the way the install has you going under the car to run the lines to the sending units. You route them under the shift boot and next to the trans to the engine bay. This will take a little time, more than I have in the next 24 hours.
hmmm i think I'll try that for my wb02 controller
r0tor 11-10-2006, 07:31 AM i've been waiting for some company to do a CAN reader + electronic guage setup... I'd buy that in a heartbeat
looks like my prayers have been answered... plop this in a JDM navi mount and you can have access to all the CAN guages, 2 additional guages you install, a performance monitor, datalogger, and the ability for a navi system... not bad
http://www.drewtech.com/products/dashdaq.html
california style 11-10-2006, 07:38 AM looks like my prayers have been answered... plop this in a JDM navi mount and you can have access to all the CAN guages, 2 additional guages you install, a performance monitor, datalogger, and the ability for a navi system... not bad
http://www.drewtech.com/products/dashdaq.html
How big is that sucker tho?
Would that fit in the cigarette lighter area the same as the RB gauge pod does?
r0tor 11-10-2006, 12:57 PM its more sized to fit in the OEM nav area... with the nice new navi mount thats available
TheDosDog 11-12-2006, 06:49 PM Put them in today. The install was simple and RB's instructions were dead on (as usual). It took about 2 hours including an oil change. I was a little concerned by the mechanical gauges but it was for nothing. The routing was simple and the tubes were no harder to route than wire. It seems odd to see gauge readings after the car is turned off but being mechanical they are always active. Day and night both the match is good to the OEM gauges and they do indeed dim with the rest of the instrument lights. For anyone looking for a little more information than the stock panel provides I think this is a decent solution.
mikeschaefer 11-12-2006, 07:00 PM oh wow, they look better at night than i figured they would
the only thing i would change is giving the gauges black bezels
btw i routed my LC-1 wire under the boot bracket and it works perfectly
EXILE 11-12-2006, 07:07 PM After seeing it installed, I like it more than that initial photo by Racing Beat. Good job with the install! Do you feel that the gauges are fairly accurate with what you expect?
EXILE
N rider89 11-12-2006, 10:06 PM well it seems like there will be a lot more people buying this now that der's is not happening
Jedi54 11-12-2006, 10:08 PM derwankle isn't going to make his pod cluster?
Razz1 11-12-2006, 10:15 PM Nope must use RB's
mahuna 11-12-2006, 10:30 PM i like it..............mabe for christmas to myself
nycgps 11-12-2006, 11:29 PM I like it too, but I think I might want it with new radiator, cuz theres almost no point of getting this gauge with N/A and almost everything stock.
r0tor 11-13-2006, 07:05 AM mechanical guages?!? Why in the world would they do that - all OEM's were forced away from those things years ago by their lawyers
Paul_in_DC 11-13-2006, 09:38 AM Looks great, but I need something closer to eye level.
Mechanicals are about 1/2 the cost of similar electrics.
Boris and Natasha 11-13-2006, 09:42 AM Mechanicals are about 1/2 the cost of similar electrics.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and 10 times more reliable
Paul_in_DC 11-13-2006, 10:23 AM Mechanicals are about 1/2 the cost of similar electrics.
Yes, and 10 times more reliableReally? I hadn't heard that before... *ponder ponder*
r0tor 11-13-2006, 10:59 AM Mechanicals are about 1/2 the cost of similar electrics.
Yes, and 10 times more reliable[/QUOTE]
and only a leak away from a car fire...
Jedi54 11-13-2006, 11:44 AM Went to the "other" site and looks like N Rider is correct. Derwankle has decided to part ways with his car next month and stopping development of his guage pod.
nycgps 11-13-2006, 11:46 AM Yes, and 10 times more reliable
and only a leak away from a car fire...[/QUOTE]
Im wondering about that part too, since its mechincal, its possible that it might leak someday.
Catching some fire not gonna be funny, especially its so close to all the HOT stuff.
Boris and Natasha 11-13-2006, 01:39 PM WOW: a fire really? Ive never heard of that happening from a broken oil gage line. All I've ever used is mechanical gages. Now I don't think I would like the idea of a mech. fuel press or NOS line coming into the cabin. hehe
Argento Otto 11-13-2006, 04:18 PM mechanical guages?!? Why in the world would they do that - all OEM's were forced away from those things years ago by their lawyers
I hadn't heard about the legal aspect of this, but since RB isn't providing this OEM part for this vehicle it's prolly legal.
Since you can choose to install RB's gauges the liability is not the same for a stock gauge for which you have no choice.
t-run/8 11-13-2006, 04:31 PM Is something like this really necessary for a N/A car??? I mean, don't get me wrong, it would be interesting to be able to moniter this stuff but unless you have some serious mods(F/I) would there really be anything to worry about that the gauges would monitor?
N rider89 11-13-2006, 04:58 PM Went to the "other" site and looks like N Rider is correct. Derwankle has decided to part ways with his car next month and stopping development of his guage pod.
yeah its a major bummer for a lot of people but i respect his decision
Boris and Natasha 11-13-2006, 05:00 PM Growing up almost all cars came standard with gages, now its's just idiot lights
"'they call them that for a good reason" . I prefer to see a problem as it slowly develops instead of waiting for the event to happen and the light come on to tell me I'm screwed. Also, to many times I've seen cars overheat, alternators quit, and complete loss of oil pressure with no idiot lights coming on. A small price to pay for a $30k sports machine, at least for me. :)
TheDosDog 11-13-2006, 05:12 PM Is something like this really necessary for a N/A car??? I mean, don't get me wrong, it would be interesting to be able to moniter this stuff but unless you have some serious mods(F/I) would there really be anything to worry about that the gauges would monitor?
Something a little different with rotary is 2 cooling systems. One for water and one for oil. If debris were to block your oil coolers, the oil could overheat and cause damage before it registers hot on the water side. With this setup you can see oil temp independent of water temp and take action before any damage is done. The likelihood of is happening is very low but for the cost of this set up its worth it just for the piece of mind.
r0tor 11-13-2006, 05:32 PM I hadn't heard about the legal aspect of this, but since RB isn't providing this OEM part for this vehicle it's prolly legal.
Since you can choose to install RB's gauges the liability is not the same for a stock gauge for which you have no choice.
was questioning the wisdom, not the legality
Is something like this really necessary for a N/A car??? I mean, don't get me wrong, it would be interesting to be able to moniter this stuff but unless you have some serious mods(F/I) would there really be anything to worry about that the gauges would monitor?
A true oil-pressure gauge is a useful tool. Once you are familiar with your vehicles normal opeation, it gives you a truer indication of when the engine has truly reached its normal operating temperature. This is because the oils viscosity changes (pressure drops) and then levels off when the engine is fully warm. It's certainly a better indication than the stock coolant gauge. This is especially useful in a rotary, which doesn't like to be revved hard until it's warmed up. The stock oil pressure guage is an idiot light gussied up to look like a gauge -- which makes it even less useful than an idiot light. Same basically goes for the stock coolant gauge. Mazda is afraid too many people would be confused by *real* pressure and temperature readings.
But if I understand the discussion, this thing is bringing the actual fluids up into the dash? If that is the case, count me out. I'd rather not add a potential point of failure to the systems I'm trying to protect. And I sure don't want hot oil, or worse, steaming coolant spraying inside my dash and over the electronics! :scared:
Boris and Natasha 11-13-2006, 08:29 PM B.S. NUBO ya close to my age any car we drove brought amp meters "which are dangerous" oil lines and god knows what in the cabin, did ya ever have a mishap?
nuff said
habinero 11-13-2006, 09:51 PM Hey is it just me, or would anyone else be interested in this product without the gauges? I like the product, but I would like to use the autometer nexus gauges with this.
B.S. NUBO ya close to my age any car we drove brought amp meters "which are dangerous" oil lines and god knows what in the cabin, did ya ever have a mishap?
nuff said
Go ahead and add a mechanical fuel pressure gauge to yours if you like. I'll stick with my BS.
Boris and Natasha 11-14-2006, 04:33 AM OK :) lol
Paul_in_DC 11-14-2006, 06:03 AM Don't panic over mechanicals until you read the details. For example, from the instructions for Autometer's Fuel Pressure Gauge:
Safety First
The Fuel Pressure Gauge with Isolator allows interior mounting of the gauge, without the danger of routing a line containing fuel into the driving compartment. This is accomplished by plumbing the isolator into the fuel system between the fuel pump and the gauge. The line between the fuel pump and the isolator is filled with fuel, while the line connecting the isolator to the gauge is filled with an incompressible non-flammable fluid. When pressurized, the fuel bears against a diaphragm inside the isolator, which transmits the pressure through the line connecting the isolator to the gauge. The corresponding fuel pressure is then displayed on the gauge.
Hopefully these other gauges are similarly isolated?
Jedi54 11-14-2006, 11:49 AM someone call RB and find out if they're isolated in a similar way. I'm N/A but considering getting this...
Boris and Natasha 11-14-2006, 01:21 PM After looking at the autometer site, the oil press gage comes with plastic tubing. You can get braided steel tubing for this application or get the hi press isolater with braided steel tubing. The 2 temp gages have no need for anything as they look to be nothing more than thermocouples. :)
r0tor 11-14-2006, 01:33 PM correct... and RB gives you plastic tubing for the oil pressure as seen in the pic posted before
I'd change that out :o:
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=88697
r0tor 11-14-2006, 01:35 PM the nexus guages would look so much better ... albeit more expensive, but less of a hassle
r0tor 11-14-2006, 01:44 PM Don't panic over mechanicals until you read the details. For example, from the instructions for Autometer's Fuel Pressure Gauge:
for the record they also say...
Notes:
Requires #4 braided hose and mounting cup. Must be mounted outside vehicle.
oryas 11-20-2006, 01:52 PM Do you have to drain the oil to install this kit. I was wondering that since the oil filter is at the top of the engine could you remove it and install the racing beat sensor without draining the oil?
mikeschaefer 11-20-2006, 05:51 PM No you don't, some oil will come out of the filter though so watch yourself :)
But since you're removing the filter to put in the sandwich adapter you might as well :p:
Installation tip ... you may want to secure the two outside gauges with 8-32 nuts and #8 washers (flat & lock) to keep them from excessive movement (for my liking, anyway) in the pod. Additionally, this allows you to slightly adjust the position of the outside gauges --- for my taste, the faces of all the gauges are now on the same plane.
expo1 11-29-2006, 04:39 PM I just installed mine yesterday. When I first tried to install it there was a very small leak behind the oil pressure gauge and I inadvertently kinked the plastic line in that area also. If your going to use the plastic line RB gives you pay extra attention to it while pushing the gauges into the console. To lower my concerns over the plastic line I replaced the plastic oil pressure line with Auto Meter part # 3236 a 6’ braided stainless steel line with connectors. While not hard the confined space in the engine bay made this a bit of a knuckle buster. But all is well now and I like having the extra data. Will be interesting to see the numbers while at the track next year. But on a 50 degree day my oil temperature at 70 mph was around 160, Water was 180-185 and the oil pressure was a about 65-70 psi. Attached are some photos that might be of use to others.
EDIT: Forgot to add, the RB instructions want you to install the oil filter adapter plate before you begin the gauge cluster install. If you do this there will not be any room for tools to tighten the fittings from the cables to the adapter. I recommend running the cables to the engine bay, attach them to the oil filter adapter then attach the adapter to the engine.
olddragger 11-29-2006, 05:44 PM smart move to replace that plastic line.
olddragger
Why would Racing Beat use mechanical gauges in the first place? Electrical gauges are much easier and less of a worry about pinching any lines. I really don't understand why Racing Beat even supplies the gauges. Yes it is nice for some people, but what if you want to use other gauges, or for example electrical gauges? They really should have an option of getting the kit minus gauges.
Jedi54 11-29-2006, 09:02 PM great job Expo! got some zoomed out pics?
expo1 11-30-2006, 07:38 AM great job Expo! got some zoomed out pics?Anything specific you wish to see? A zoomed out pic wouldn't show much more except my dirty engine.
Jedi54 11-30-2006, 10:09 AM no, zoomed out pics of the guages. maybe some night shots as well?
AggieLuke 11-30-2006, 11:54 AM The Racing Beat site has a nice pic of the installed panel:
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
I thought I saw some night shots somewhere as well, but not sure at the moment...
Jedi54 11-30-2006, 12:06 PM Thanks Aggie. I actually had the pleasure of seeing Racing Beat's car in person at SevenStock and the install looked pretty darn good.
Just figured not everyone had a chance to check it out so they might like some pics of a member's car with the guages.
Yeah, I remember someone posting night pics but now I don't know where... hmmm....
expo1 11-30-2006, 03:58 PM I thought I saw some night shots somewhere as well, but not sure at the moment...Best I can do.
Slick8 11-30-2006, 04:22 PM Is the gauge pod available without the gauges and gauge hardware? I prefer red digital led gauges such as Nordskog. These will be easier to read and better match the console.
http://www.nordskogperformance.net/images/products/auto/street_digital/m9008.gif http://www.nordskogperformance.net/images/products/auto/street_digital/m9014.gif http://www.nordskogperformance.net/images/products/auto/street_digital/m9013.gif
Best I can do.
Looks just like mine :-) ... and thanxs for the finding a stainless line for the pressure gauge, expo1 --- just ordered mine.
Another data point: 19F ambient @ 80 MPH ... water 178F, oil pressure 68 PSI, oil temp 150-155F.
oryas 12-01-2006, 02:48 PM I just ordered the gauge pod kit from racing beat. Looking forward to receiving it.
olddragger 12-01-2006, 03:13 PM guys --see what youre oil pressure is at 3K when your oil temps are 180F or above. If you are running 5W/20 oil you may be surprised.
olddragger
shinka213 12-02-2006, 07:56 AM yeah thats nice! i talked to Jim Langer just a few days ago on the 20th and he said
"I received the final prototype of the gauge pod yesterday, I will be calling
the shop today with the "go-ahead" to product the final batch. I would
expect to see them within a couple of weeks." so they are just waiting for stock to arrive
http://www.racingbeat.com/photos/11816L.jpg
i like em...i think they look at home right in that spot!!
goes to show you can put other gauges there too!
thanks for the pic
4 years to Supercharge 12-02-2006, 09:11 AM If only there was a choice of gauges.
Ultimately, I would like a heads up display like some GM products have where it kicks it up onto the windshield though.
Doesn't the Interceptor-X show sensor info if fed to a computer?
shinka213 12-02-2006, 01:17 PM If only there was a choice of gauges.
Ultimately, I would like a heads up display like some GM products have where it kicks it up onto the windshield though.
Doesn't the Interceptor-X show sensor info if fed to a computer?
me thinks it will be a got spot for those gauges needed when i get the petit.. :aroused:
shinka213 12-02-2006, 01:18 PM Is the gauge pod available without the gauges and gauge hardware? I prefer red digital led gauges such as Nordskog. These will be easier to read and better match the console.
http://www.nordskogperformance.net/images/products/auto/street_digital/m9008.gif http://www.nordskogperformance.net/images/products/auto/street_digital/m9014.gif http://www.nordskogperformance.net/images/products/auto/street_digital/m9013.gif
now i like them alot!!!
foo77 12-02-2006, 11:54 PM ^ +1 looks good to me too :cool: pls post a pic if anyone use it wit RB pod :)
4 years to Supercharge 12-03-2006, 06:30 AM What brand gauges was Derwankel going to use?
If I remember correctly they matched up very well.
4 years to Supercharge 12-03-2006, 06:47 AM Ahh found it the Nexus gauges from Autometer.
http://hp.autometer.com/products/nexus/index.html
Those would be nice down there with the color changing capability if something is out of the norm.
TeamRX8 12-03-2006, 12:28 PM guys --see what youre oil pressure is at 3K when your oil temps are 180F or above. If you are running 5W/20 oil you may be surprised.
olddragger
if it was a reciprocating engine I'd be concerned, but it's not .... :dunno:
olddragger 12-03-2006, 04:30 PM still-- it should be what the factory says is baseline---shouldn't it?
OD
oryas 12-14-2006, 01:46 PM I need instructions for the gauge pod installation. I originally was going to buy the gauge pod directly from Racing Beat but they were out of stock so I bought them from another vendor that had some in stock. However when I got them they were missing the instructions for the gauge pod installation.( I have the instructions for the sensors installation) Anyway I contacted them and they are going to get a set to me but I don't know how long that will take. I also contacted Racing Beat asking them for a pdf file of the instructions, but I'm still waiting.
Does someone have a set of instructions that they could scan and post on this thread or email to me, I would be grateful. Thanks.
expo1 12-14-2006, 01:56 PM I can get them to you in about three hours, wait for my PM.
oryas 12-15-2006, 02:52 PM I finally got a hold of the pdf instructions supplied by the company a bought the gauges from but I ran into a new problem. I was missing a few small components. It's no big deal because a can pick these up at the local store but could someone verify that I'm picking up the correct parts. The two small blue clips I think are "Wire T Splicers" I don't know if there is a particular type or size I need or if they're generic. The other thing is the brass fitting that fits on the edge of the oil pressure gauge line and connects to the oil adapter, I think it measures 5/16" but I'm not sure what its called. Can someone verify that is correct.
I called Racing Beat to ask but they don't seem to know there own parts, they were no help.
I attached and circled in red the parts I'm missing.
^ +1 looks good to me too :cool: pls post a pic if anyone use it wit RB pod :)
The Nordskog Street Digital gauges go well with the center display, give a clean look, and are easier to read. They're hooked up to dim 50% when I turn on the parking lights. IMO, the Autometer Sport Comp gauges that RB supplies work very well and look damn good too ... you can't go wrong with either ...
I'll take some day pics if anyone is interested ...
foo77 12-18-2006, 08:15 AM ^ thanks,it really goes well with the OEM light at night and turn out very nice with RB pod :icon_tup: should post some day pics :)
Jedi54 12-18-2006, 12:53 PM Wow, those digital guages are SLICK! A bit bright though, aren't they? Can they dim even more? (I'm a noob with guages, sorry.)
Wow, those digital guages are SLICK! A bit bright though, aren't they? Can they dim even more? (I'm a noob with guages, sorry.)
They're more intense than the rest of the car's dash lights, but only by a little, and certainly not distracting, especially where they're located. Those pictures make them appear brighter than they actually are --- the numbers are crisp and sharp with no halo (unless you've had several beers or something) as depicted in the pics. I'll take better night pics as soon as I can find my camera tripod :mad:
I don't see anyway to dim these gauges any further. There's a fourth wire on each gauge and if it's connected to a 12v source (like the astray light wire which is hot when the accessory/headlights get turned on) they dim by 50%. The main 12v source for the gauges I'm tapping from the cigarette lighter harness. These gauges are very stealth when they're off, just about as black as the trim's piano finnish. You can also recall the highest reading on the temperature gauges, and the oil pressure gauge can recall the low and highest readings.
The temperature/pressure values from the Nordskog gauges are identical with what I was getting from the Autometer Sport Comp gauges (within limits of what you can read of off an analog gauge).
... in the meantime, here's some bad daytime pics (gotsta get me a better camera) ...
shinka213 12-18-2006, 10:07 PM The Nordskog Street Digital gauges go well with the center display, give a clean look, and are easier to read. They're hooked up to dim 50% when I turn on the parking lights. IMO, the Autometer Sport Comp gauges that RB supplies work very well and look damn good too ... you can't go wrong with either ...
I'll take some day pics if anyone is interested ...
dayum....they are schweet!!!
did you just use the RB pod with Nordskog stree digital gauges?
if so, can you just buy the RB pod without the RB guages?
dayum....they are schweet!!!
did you just use the RB pod with Nordskog stree digital gauges?
if so, can you just buy the RB pod without the RB guages?
Hi Shinka,
Yeah, I'm using the RB pod. My brother bought the Autometer gauges that came with the kit and I used that $$ to get the Nordskog qauges. I don't know if you can buy only the pod from RB, but it would be foolish of them not to sell only the pod as I can sense (yeah, I can do that sometimes :) ) the demand is there --- they can probaby sell tons of these pods considering the small pickings we have for our car.
I'd like to see someone try the Nexus gauges with this pod ...
shinka213 12-18-2006, 10:29 PM Hi Shinka,
Yeah, I'm using the RB pod. My brother bought the Autometer gauges that came with the kit and I used that $$ to get the Nordskog qauges. I don't know if you can buy only the pod from RB, but it would be foolish of them not to sell only the pod as I can sense (yeah, I can do that sometimes :) ) the demand is there --- they can probaby sell tons of these pods considering the small pickings we have for our car.
I'd like to see someone try the Nexus gauges with this pod ...
thanks elf.....im just trying to get a little educated on this process for when im ready for FI.....im lookin to go with the pettit SC....prolly next winter unless i win the lottery...lol
SiLVeRE8 12-18-2006, 10:33 PM they look really clean but kinda pricey... especially with the combination of the RB gauge pod. but they sick! those pics make me want to get them but the $$$ makes me think.... hmmm
swoope 12-18-2006, 11:45 PM very clean. i like it..
beers :beer:
Just a side note: With "real" gauges to look at, it's amazing how quickly this engine heats up, especially in heavy stop-and-go traffic or waiting in a long line at a fast-food drive-thru. Water temp goes from around 178F to over 200F in no time ... and this is winter. By contrast, the stock RX-8 temp gauge barely moves (I think). This begs the question on what the water temp is when the stock gauge is in the hot region. It's going to be interesting to see what temps I get during the dead of summer.
olddragger 12-19-2006, 10:07 AM very nice!
Yep it gets hot fast--- coolant and oil---do search --lots of info.
olddragger
auzoom 12-26-2006, 07:34 PM Might seem a stupid question but one of the pictures looked to me as if the guages were angled slightly toward the LHD driver. Am I imagining things?
dannobre 12-26-2006, 07:50 PM I hink the water temp guage is pretty much an idiot guage like the oil pressure.
It sure doesn't react when the car is hot.....I think it would need to be running with no water pump...or coolant to see a difference ;)
If you wait for it to tell you you have overheated...you will be too late
4 years to Supercharge 12-26-2006, 10:15 PM Might seem a stupid question but one of the pictures looked to me as if the guages were angled slightly toward the LHD driver. Am I imagining things?
The one closest to the driver is facing the driver more, the center is centered, and the passenger's side goes slightly toward the passenger.
Can this be changed easily so all of them cheat towards the driver?
auzoom 12-26-2006, 11:23 PM I am "guessing" that its just the bezel thats angled, which makes me think that you can just rotate it so it does angle towards the driver. I just wanted to confirm this from someone who has them. Personally I would be buying the digital guages but its going to be a hassle to ship it to Oz, organise someone to buy the autometer guages and then buy the digital ones. Pity 'cause if they offered them with the digital I would buy them ASAP.
expo1 12-27-2006, 06:42 AM Can this be changed easily so all of them cheat towards the driver?On page 11 of this thread there are photos of the back of the unit. With some washers behind the thumb screws you could change the angle of the gauges.
auzoom 12-27-2006, 06:52 AM Thats great...cheers. Now just have to wait and hear from RB to see if they will sell without or with different guages.
Cheers
Andrew
MissyK 12-27-2006, 07:05 AM I am "guessing" that its just the bezel thats angled, which makes me think that you can just rotate it so it does angle towards the driver. I just wanted to confirm this from someone who has them. Personally I would be buying the digital guages but its going to be a hassle to ship it to Oz, organise someone to buy the autometer guages and then buy the digital ones. Pity 'cause if they offered them with the digital I would buy them ASAP.
50cents? :cwm27:
auzoom 12-27-2006, 07:10 AM For 50c you can get a short trip up a smelly creek ;)
oryas 12-27-2006, 02:11 PM I was installing the gauge pods this weekend but I got stuck. The instructions I have are only for a manual transmission and I have an automatic. I figured it didn't matter I could still install them with these instructions. However I can't figure out how to get the gauge lines to the engine compartment. On the manual transmission all you have to do is slip them under the rubber shift insulator to the tunnel. But on the automatic the assembly is very different and I need some reference.
Jedi54 12-27-2006, 02:24 PM Call Racing Beat and I'm sure they could give you some advice over the phone.
(714) 779-8677
DaveCM203 12-27-2006, 02:35 PM You're the reason we have dummy oil gauges.
I don't think you got what RX7roadster was saying. It is just like on my motorcycle. I can glance down at the speedo (which is analog) and know that my speed is ok for the road I am on. I could not tell you the exact speed. Just that I am close. Same for the gauges. Once you get used to it, a glance to see where the needles are is enough. Believe me. If you glance once and the needles are not in the range they are supposed to be in, you will notice it.
Boris and Natasha 12-28-2006, 01:16 AM Expo1 for president of the USA weeeeeeeeeeeeee he rocks the F1 couldna run from him weeee
Boris and Natasha 12-28-2006, 01:18 AM Doesn't work for an auto? thats sad no stick can shift as fast as an auto they better figure that out soon.
expo1 12-28-2006, 06:04 AM Expo1 for president of the USA weeeeeeeeeeeeee he rocks the F1 couldna run from him weeee Whould they let me have a bullet proof RX-8 in Yellow??
4 years to Supercharge 12-28-2006, 06:19 AM Whould they let me have a bullet proof RX-8 in Yellow??
Of coarse but you would have to ride in the back. :lol:
olddragger 12-28-2006, 09:21 AM Just drill the firewall it is not hard.
olddragger
oryas 12-28-2006, 02:13 PM Yeah, thats what I was thinking of doing. Would I need a rubber grommet to fill in the space once the hole is cut?
jskup1 12-28-2006, 03:43 PM I haven't seen it anywhere but has anyone been able to buy one of these minus the guages? If so, how much was it?
Alucard 12-28-2006, 05:00 PM Just ordered the kit. I was wondering if anyone has ever heard or used this company prosportgauges.com. They have digital gauges in 52mm. I might swap the auto meters that come with it for these.
Heres the link to the amber/white gauges. Obtw they switch between the two colors and dont need a controller.
http://prosportgauges.com/Performance%20Gauges-Amber.htm
mikeschaefer 12-28-2006, 06:11 PM reminds me of the crappy glowshift gauge i bought off ebay... it sucked horribly so I bought an Autometer Sport Comp
Boris and Natasha 12-29-2006, 10:31 AM Of coarse but you would have to ride in the back. :lol:
ROFLMAO
Thats just wrong :)
4 years to Supercharge 12-29-2006, 10:41 AM :D:
Does the President ever drive himself around?
mikeschaefer 12-29-2006, 11:29 AM Yeah, thats what I was thinking of doing. Would I need a rubber grommet to fill in the space once the hole is cut?
Definitely use a grommet. Over time the metal could slice up that vinyl oil line and then you'd have hot engine oil all over the place.
auzoom 12-29-2006, 07:05 PM I haven't seen it anywhere but has anyone been able to buy one of these minus the guages? If so, how much was it?www.racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?partnumber=11815 (http://www.racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?partnumber=11815)
Cheers
Andrew
mikeschaefer 12-29-2006, 09:10 PM I see something for $98.00 but what the heck is it?
auzoom 12-29-2006, 09:20 PM Considering what it was in response to I reckon it would be a good guess that its what he asked for...:p:
But you are correct in that it could do with a little more info, sorry. I emailed RB and asked if they are offering the pod minus the guages. The response I got was that they do, however it is just that...the pod. No guages, no sensors, no lines, nothing except whats needed to fit the pod in the ciggi' tray.
Cheers
Andrew
mikeschaefer 12-29-2006, 09:44 PM They didn't even respond to me :p:
I think I'm going to order it and see what happens
www.racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?partnumber=11815 (http://www.racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?partnumber=11815)
Cheers
Andrew
It was about time you posted that :D:
zoom44 12-29-2006, 10:02 PM I hink the water temp guage is pretty much an idiot guage like the oil pressure.
It sure doesn't react when the car is hot.....I think it would need to be running with no water pump...or coolant to see a difference ;)
If you wait for it to tell you you have overheated...you will be too late
seen mine take the jump before- you were there:D:. course then the coolant started steaming out of the hood:eek:
zoom44 12-29-2006, 10:06 PM Doesn't work for an auto? thats sad no stick can shift as fast as an auto they better figure that out soon.
trying to get a nomination in before the end of the year ? or do you really believe that no stick shift can be shifted faster than an auto?
auzoom 12-29-2006, 10:36 PM They didn't even respond to me :p:
I think I'm going to order it and see what happensWell the link is from Jim Langer so if it goes wrong then give him a call :)
It was about time you posted that :D:I posted it yesterday....just takes you guys 18 hours or so to catch up :rollingla No seriously I was just waiting for the right opportunity. Now all I have to do is get me some guages with real measurements and I am set ;)
dannobre 12-30-2006, 02:24 AM seen mine take the jump before- you were there:D:. course then the coolant started steaming out of the hood:eek:Didn't really want to mention that ;) thought it would bring back bad memories
jzrx8 12-30-2006, 02:43 AM For all the haters on the RB location here might be another solution $252
4 years to Supercharge 12-30-2006, 01:09 PM Who makes that setup jzrx8?
Tanaka826 01-01-2007, 03:36 AM nice setup jzrx8. looks expensive with the DEFI gauges! love them though!
foo77 01-01-2007, 04:40 AM Who makes that setup jzrx8?
Knight Sports with Defi gauges :) i guess gonna spend alot than RB ;)
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=86554&highlight=knight+sports
mikeschaefer 01-01-2007, 07:52 AM I'd be in if they could do that for 2" gauges, sans carbon fiber
jzrx8 01-01-2007, 11:19 PM that setup is from japanparts.com but i dont know if they make it for LHD cars. If they do it would be perfect for all those that dont want the a-pillar gauges(to common_ or the RB gauges(line of sight issue)
Phantom Menace 01-02-2007, 01:50 AM yeah thats nice! i talked to Jim Langer just a few days ago on the 20th and he said
"I received the final prototype of the gauge pod yesterday, I will be calling
the shop today with the "go-ahead" to product the final batch. I would
expect to see them within a couple of weeks." so they are just waiting for stock to arrive
http://www.racingbeat.com/photos/11816L.jpg
Looks cool. Lots of good things are comming from RB. What would be really cool, however, would be a digital guage that displayed it all?
oryas 01-03-2007, 02:13 PM Has anyone else had a problem with leaks? I was installing the gauges this weekend and both the thermostats for the oil and water were leaking at the adapters. I tried everything I could think of to seal them but was unable to. I don't know if I was missing something like a washer or if I just received a defective kit.
expo1 01-03-2007, 02:26 PM Nope, do your temp connections look like mine on page 11 post 161 ?
oryas 01-03-2007, 03:27 PM No they don't. I don't have that brass bolt that is inbetween the adapter and blue bolt on the water and oil sensors. It looks like I'm missing parts after all.
expo1 01-03-2007, 03:43 PM No they don't. I don't have that brass bolt that is inbetween the adapter and blue bolt on the water and oil sensors. It looks like I'm missing parts after all. Those come with the water & oil adaptor plates. Did you get your kit 2nd hand? If not DBL check the boxes. You should have gotten everything you see HERE. (http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=88696)
oryas 01-03-2007, 07:23 PM Yes, those 3 brass fittings are what I am missing. I did buy it from another vendor because at the time Racing Beat was out of stock. They look pretty standard I could probably get those from a local store. Thanks.
california style 01-05-2007, 02:12 PM Looks cool. Lots of good things are comming from RB. What would be really cool, however, would be a digital guage that displayed it all?
amen to that!
olddragger 01-05-2007, 06:00 PM oryas
be careful with the fittings--true they are standard sizes and are npt BUT the flanges/flares are differant. Make sure to check it all out.
olddragger
oryas 01-05-2007, 11:18 PM I couldn't find the right size at the local store so I bought the autometer brass temperature adapters online. They should be the same ones racing beat uses, and I should get them on Monday.
Boris and Natasha 01-06-2007, 02:29 AM trying to get a nomination in before the end of the year ? or do you really believe that no stick shift can be shifted faster than an auto?
I already have 2 jobs, town drunk and village idiot.
btw while ya push the clutch in, oh to late an auto already shifted.
N rider89 01-06-2007, 03:14 AM hahahaha autos are faster. i drive an auto and no.
mikeschaefer 01-06-2007, 06:02 AM I couldn't find the right size at the local store so I bought the autometer brass temperature adapters online. They should be the same ones racing beat uses, and I should get them on Monday.
yeah, considering they use autometer guages :p:
shinka213 01-06-2007, 09:33 AM that setup is from japanparts.com but i dont know if they make it for LHD cars. If they do it would be perfect for all those that dont want the a-pillar gauges(to common_ or the RB gauges(line of sight issue)
I contacted knightsports directly....that gauge pod is not available for LHC
unfortunately....
:sad:
N rider89 01-07-2007, 02:57 AM ^damn that sucks
Alucard 01-14-2007, 12:39 AM Just got my Racing Beat pod, ill be installing it hopefully on tuesday. Ill post pics then.
shinka213 01-14-2007, 07:47 AM Just got my Racing Beat pod, ill be installing it hopefully on tuesday. Ill post pics then.
cool Mike
definitely post pics and how the install was....
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