After calling Mazda Canada (see http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9535 ) Richard just called me back to informe me that so far Mazda Canada didn't decide anything so far :mad:

If they ever decide something, all 8 owners will be contacted via 1st class mail explaining Mazda Canada decision!

Once again... Canadians will get less than the US :mad:

We'll get nothing I bet!

Remember there are only 700 in Canada, probably only 20-30 are going to find out about this issue.

And heck they could easily sell those cars to others right?

I don't think that fare.... and Mazda shouldn't take advantage of the fact that "people won't know"

Well, I think that the best thing to do right now is to phone Mazda and let them know that "we know"... and we'll see!

Do you have a phone number that we ALL could use to let them know that we want a fair deal like the US ?

Mazda Canada called me back this morning.

Letter going out this week.

Same idea as USA:
"free" service for warranty life.
$500 credit

When you think about this for a second, we are getting screwed:

Canada has 3 year warranty, while USA have 4.
So we get one year less "free" service

$500 US is worth about $700 Canadian

Originally posted by f1michel
Do you have a phone number that we ALL could use to let them know that we want a fair deal like the US ?

1-800-263-4680

Then press 4 for customer relations

Just got off the phone with Mazda Canada customer service a little while ago.
They took my name and updated my address. He said they were doing a pull on the customer information database tonight, and will be sending out the offer letters by the end of the week.

I added some questions to the list for them to address (what about Mazda options added after the time of purchase etc.)

I tried to bait them by asking what happens if I keep the car, then in another couple months Mazda admits that the cars only make 228hp (as the dyno's seem to suggest) but he used that as his cue to end the call. :)

I would encourage everybody to call today, and confirm your information. I left them with the definite impression that I would be returning the car (hopefully that will scare them into giving us a good offer to keep it.)

On that note, the person I talked to admitted that they were following the goings-on with the RX8 forum.

I did the same. I did get confirmation that it is an emissions issue, and they have to bring the car to emissions spec to sell it.

They will buy back Original Mazda Accessories, even if imported. Installation costs will be covered.

If you don't choose either option, within a time frame, well we can contact the Legal department, or wait for aftermarket mods. But it doesn't look like a "fix" is coming from Mazda.

They state that any information regarding modifications done at port (ie was engine detuned) is none of our business.

None of our business?
That's the point.. it is our business. (See my rant in your other thread.)

Wow... just when you think they are starting to get the point, they find a way to miss it.

Mazda, wake up.


Ohh... and they'll buy back all accessories? Even my JDM imported corner markers?

Think they'll just buy back my standard corner markers if I keep the car? :)

I called Mazda Can this morning ...CSR verified my mailing address, etc.
** She stated that Canadians are receiving $500 CDN in the form of a cheque (not a debit card, voucher, etc)
**I've already paid for an oil change (i get my first one done around 2500km) -- she wasnt sure if i'd get this expense credited
** She verified that the letters are getting out in the mail by end-of week

Redshift, I was told today by MazCan that they will refund the cost of accessories (if Genuine Mazda Parts) and installation. I specifically asked if that included imported parts (Genuine Imported Parts) and they said yes- just provide a valid recipt. They first asked if the accessories were part of the sales contract, and of course they were not. After a few seconds on hold, the above response was made.

I guess I'll be out for the $200 tint, and thats about it.

How sad. I really had my hopes on this car and on Mazda. Ouch ......this hurts.
:( :mad:

Hey there is one thing that could be FUN :D

Take your letter with you to other dealers (nissan/infinity/BMW/Acura whatever). Show the sales guy this letter (to get his confidence). Tell him if his car WOWs you more than the RX8 and the price is comparible you'll buy it and take the buy-back.

They GOTTA know your serious because here's proof you have the $$$ to buy the car and proof you are ready to buy SOON.

I just may have some fun :D

My issue is most dealers shrug me off (as i'm only 25 and look younger). I have a hard time to get test drives etc.

But I really don't think there is ANYTHING out there that will WOW me like the RX8 for the same $$$ $43 tax in.

Originally posted by Thunder
Redshift, I was told today by MazCan that they will refund the cost of accessories (if Genuine Mazda Parts) and installation. I specifically asked if that included imported parts (Genuine Imported Parts) and they said yes- just provide a valid recipt. They first asked if the accessories were part of the sales contract, and of course they were not. After a few seconds on hold, the above response was made.


Well, good to see the CSR people actually look into what they say.
I was talking to them about 9:30 Atlantic Time this morning and asked them about buying back the accessories.
The CSR didn't know, but said he would take that question down and add to to the list of questions they needed to have answers for. They worked quick. :)

I did forget to ask about my JDM parts though, so good to see somebody else did.


Wing: Great idea. I was actually thinking the same thing. The Subaru dealer has a couple STi's sitting on the lot calling my name for a test drive. :) (I already drove the G35c before I bought my RX).
I know your feeling, I'm only 27, so I get strange looks when I come in asking about the $50K cars....

I'm going to take advantage of the service and cash back. I was just reading about this issue in the Discussion board.

The 8 has 238HP.

Whats the big deal with 9 HP. I'll take the $500 and save on service fees, and drop in a supercharger.

That's gonna give me more then 9hp ;) . I've waited some time for this car, and so did the rest of you. This is a great car. The look and feel of the ride it increadible. Don't let 9hp change your mind !

BTW . I did called Mazda Canada, and the CSR told me that we will be recieving a letter in the mail regarding this issue.

We do have 2 options i'm sure your all aware of

1. buy back
2. $500 CDN 3 year 80,000KM service costs paid for.

I asked about the steady decrease in HP from 250HP to 247HP to 238HP. My question was if it's going were to keep dropping from all the tests, and will mazda re-open the issuse and send out another letter.

She said I assume so. I then told her that kind of answer is not good enough for me. I just purchased a $43,700 (tax in) car.

She kept bringing up the october 1st deadline, and continued to avoid most of my questions. Sorry I couldn't get more information everyone. I'll call again in a couple of days.

Although the power issue does not concern me, I do feel cheated. Mazda has always been a well regarded company in my family. However, now that this has occured, I can guarantee that this outlook will change. I will never buy a Mazda product again as I cannot trust them any more. I called Mazda Canada and the representative stated that about 460 automobile owners will receive "letters". Many of my questions were not answered, and although the representative was sympathetic, I am not satisfied. I do not want any compensation, I want what I paid $44,000 for. MAZDA HAS RIPPED ME OFF!!

Aren't you over-reacting a tiny bit here? You will get your money back if it's what you want. Don't you love the car? How many times in the next 4 years will you say: " damn... i wish i had those 9 HP right now" ?

This is a great car and Mazda will give you about 1500$ to accept the fact that emission control regulations forced them to cut on power. Are they guilty of hiding it? YES. Will i return the car? NOT A CHANCE, unless a major problem occurs in the next 5 weeks.

The vehicle was mis-represented! It's plain and simple, this is not what I paid for. Trying to compensate us with $500 and free service (worth how much to Mazda?) is silly. Perhaps a lawyer should be contacted because according to my calculations Mazda owes us about $1950. This is the amount Mazda should pay us and give us free service for putting up with their nonsense!

Originally posted by Pete
I'm going to take advantage of the service and cash back.

I've waited some time for this car, and so did the rest of you. This is a great car. The look and feel of the ride it increadible. Don't let 9hp change your mind !

Ditto! I love this car. Yes, Mazda goofed up where they should have known better from the Miata eposide. Their way of apologizing may not sit well with some people, but for me, hey BONUS. I get to keep the car I fell in love with and bought sight unseen, and get free servicing for three years along with $500 towards my winter tires. I'm still a happy camper.

No this was misrepresentation. If they can't fix it, why cant they let us do it????

MAZDA QUICK YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE BIG HERE. DO US A FAVOR AND

1) Allow us to fix the car. Post information and ECU codes on http://www.mazdatechinfo.com/home/ecmDetail.asp
and let our dealers remap our ECUs. I want to feel what this car should have been, and I will deal with my local emissions regulations on my own.

or

2) Take your offer and stick it in your sooty wankel....

Could you do this before October 1st please?

<edited for syntax>

More good news.. ( some sarcasm here)
A friend has had an RX-8 on order and he gets it tomorrow.
He ordered with the NAV package.
Today his dealer called him, and they were trying to set it up, and discovered that there are no maps for it for anywhere in Alberta north of Red Deer. As we are in Edmonton, this makes it a rather useless $3,000 conversation piece.
What Mazda is apparently saying about this:

1) They claim they will have maps for the area "in about 6 months"

2) They are offering some compensation:
He may buy $1,000 worth of accessories at "dealer cost".
So, basically a $350 credit on the purchase of accessories..

He asked if he could change his mind and decline the NAV package. The dealer informed him that if he did so he would have to wait for another car, maybe until next year.

This is a little frustrating to my friend, as he ordered his car in 2001!! Probably one of the first ever ordered, right after Mazda first announced the plans to make the car.

I suggested to my friend that he take the car, and start shopping for another and at least drive it for a month for free, then return it to Mazda on the horsepower buy back offer.

Canzoomer: I think they call that poetic justice (for Mazda)


Edit: Added (for Mazda) to resolve ambiguity. Sorry to hear about your friends misadventure. At least if he tries to buy again, he'll be told what he's getting and NOT LIED TO....Oh, perhaps he will be lied to ......seems like a trend.

I for one am gonna keep my baby!:D I love this car so very much hehe. Although I was dissapointed at first to hear the loss of 9 hp, I just went out and drove it, and said to myself "nah" Im a keeper! With the 500 bux they are giving me I ordered the Side Strakes for 350.00, and 2 sets of extra keys. Hehe good deal for me!
By the way, does anyone know when the letter was sent out? I heard that we have a deadline and was wondering what the deadline is?

I was thinking strakes and front and rear rotary crest :)

Either way I'll use the money now for winter floor mats and tires.

And get the strakes and crests later..... I think.

*Rear Fog Light(F15-V7-250/#09-006-006): 24,000 JPY

++This part number you described is for thr RX-8 w/ DSC(Dinamic Stability Controll)++

*MAZDASPEED Rear Wing in Sunlight Silver(QSE15-69-Z/09-012-004): 122,100 JPY

*Rotary Crest for Frt./Aluminium(F152-V4-350): 8,500 JPY

*Leather Shift Knob w/ Illumination in Black,6M/T(F151-V8-170-04/091-009-001): 26,400 JPY

*JDM Genuine Stock Clear Frt. Indicator Housing,RH/LH: 6,200 JPY(@3,100 JPYx2)

*Aluminium Scuff Plate,a pair(F151-V1-370/091-007-001): 24,000 JPY

*Steering Switch Panel in Piano Black(F151-V8-140/091-008-001): 9,100 JPY

++This part number is for the RX-8 TypeS & 5 M/T++

*Leather Console Box Lid in Black,Frt.(F151-V0-630-04/091-010-001): 14,400 JPY

These are my accessories.......(not all installed)

And right now, I plan on handing my car back.

LOOK AT THE DYNOS PEOPLE!
*Leather Console Box Lid in Black,Rear(F152-V0-630-04/091-010-002): 14,400 JPY

*Sports Gear Case(F151-V0-940/091-017-005): 15,600 JPY

*Inner Handle Bezel, a pair in Piano Black(F151-V1-440/091-008-003): 10,400 JPY

Originally posted by Rx8Mango
By the way, does anyone know when the letter was sent out? I heard that we have a deadline and was wondering what the deadline is?

I talked with CS at Mazda Canada today. He said I should be receiving my letter this week due to the fact I'm not that far away from the office. Don't know if it's Canada Post or Purolator. I believe the deadline is October 1.

Thunder, denial or not I'll buy your accessories from you if you don't mind.

At least the rotary crest :) and the fog light! And maybe the clear indicators. Oh and maybe the stearing wheel after I see pics and the shift knob sounds cool!

You must have gotten a great deal on the X-Plan!!! These babys don't come cheap.

You might get them at discount from Mazda Canada, cause they'e soon going to own them. :(

The lady, ( very nice and speaking french perfectly ) said the letters were to be sent tomorrow and were supposed to be very explicit on what was going on and the 2 option we have. I expect mine to be here by friday, monday at max.

Originally posted by Rx8Mango
...
By the way, does anyone know when the letter was sent out? I heard that we have a deadline and was wondering what the deadline is?
Mazda Canada told me the *hope* to be mailing the letters today.
I do not know if we have the same deadline, for certain.

HUmmm... just wondering... If ford owns ( or owns lots of ) Mazda, why not start giving ford head office some bad words to, maybe they can put mazda back in there place ??

does anyone know if they also overated the AUTO RX-8?
if yes, am i getting the same deal as you guys do?

Yes auto is now 197hp or something

Wow, there are a lot of people jumping ship here over a little less horsepower than spec. Most of you seemed to love the car until someone put a Dyno in your face telling you it was underpowered!

I for one think Mazda is being accomodating with this offer, and wouldn't give my 8 back for all the Tea in China because I am so in love with it.

It's fast, gorgeous, innovative....and just fun as hell to drive around in.

LONG LIVE THE RX-8!

:)

Why don't people understand that we can still love the car and NOT LOVE what MAZDA did to us.

Think it's easy to have the car bought back-- NO.
Did I get what I paid for -- NO.
Am I pleased with the way Mazda is handling evidence that the car is WAY UNDER SPEC -- NO
Do I trust Mazda anymore -- NOT Entirely
Do I want another Mazda product-- NOT yet


Love is a fickle thing....and breaking up is hard to do.



Edited to update today's feelings on the issue. *

* Post details may change at any time

Originally posted by Thunder
Why don't people understand that we can still love the car and NOT LOVE what MAZDA did to us.

Think it's easy to have the car bought back-- NO.
Did I get what I paid for -- NO.
Am I pleased with the way Mazda is handling evidence that the car is WAY UNDER SPEC -- NO
Do I trust Mazda anymore -- NO
Do I want another Mazda product-- NO


Love is a fickle thing....and breaking up is hard to do.

Thunder, out of curiousity, what is the exact reason you want to give the car back? Do you find it slow, or are you just unhappy that the numbers don't line up to spec?

Further...to your points above:

Think it's easy to have the car bought back-- NO.
-->You can certainly "think" it is not easy, but not entirely fair to judge Mazda on this until you have tried going through the motions.

Did I get what I paid for -- NO.
-->Definitely an individual opinion, as I'm sure many people didn't pay with only horsepower in mind. I'm not thrilled that the spec is off, but the "utility" I get out of driving the car covers my financial costs, so I think many would feel they did get what they pay for.

Am I pleased with the way Mazda is handling evidence that the car is WAY UNDER SPEC -- NO
-->Mazda Canada hasn't exactly had a lot of time to even formulate a response or game plan, given that this issue has only come up recently. So far they have offered to buy back the car and refund your accessories (granted, the aftermarket ones could be difficult), or give you cash and/or free service. What *should* they do? Hand out $10K to all 500 owners?

Do I trust Mazda anymore -- NO
-->While trust is anotherr personal thing, this incident does not seem to be intentional or pre-meditated, as they are now dispersing cash and free service to a lot of people, which equals financial losses.

Do I want another Mazda product-- NO
-->Aside from the horsepower spec being wrong, is there a problem with the quality, or overall drive of the car?

This is meant as friendly debate only, I certainly don't want to attack anyone...I just want to ensure people are looking at this from the right angle, as incidents like this lend to people gathering in groups like this and making an issue into something bigger than it actually is.

Here's How I see the "Right Angle"

The car lacks kick.
There is no way its getting the claimed mileage.
I thought it was a break in issue
Proof of being WAY BELOW SPEC began appearing on this board
MAZDA offers buy back, admitting that they sold us something that they CANT DELIVER without any decent explanation or evidence.
I take it the offer. *
End of story.

Right for me. Not right for you. OK.

Do you think I'm going to enjoy giving this car back? NO
Am I going to do what I think is the right thing? YES
As for the general satisfaction with everything else questions--- THAT IS NOT THE POINT. AND ITS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE 9 hp (or should I say about 25 hp) . Its not about buyers remorse. Its not about needing the money back. Its about believing in something (NEW ROTARY SPORTS CAR FROM MAZDA), learning about it['s history, the design, the whole friggin thing (BTW I had that PRESS KIT BOOK laser printed for $100 and obsessed over that for a few months). Its about $2000 deposit sight unseen, buying the car essentially with faith that Mazda would deliver all that they had promised and they didn't. ON A 50 grand purchase....with no explanation. UNACCEPTABLE.

I had faith in Mazda, and they blew it.


edited for clairty

* edited again. See later posts to see what offer I'm taking today.

Originally posted by Thunder
The car lacks kick.
There is no way its getting the claimed mileage.


How do you know it lacks kick? All the reviews before release mentioned it wasn't very torquey. Yes, Mazda has revised the rated hp numbers, but they haven't revised the performance numbers. They insist that the cars will still hit the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers that they did before the ECUs were reflashed. So has it lost any real performance? NO.

My car did get close to the claimed mileage on my 6600 km road trip. No problem.

Regards,
Gordon

I said "It lacks kick". Mazda agress with me. The DYNOs agree with me too.

I mean, how many times do I gotta say it? Read my posts. I don't think I can explain it any better than I have.

Haven't revised the performance numbers because they are LEGALLY MEANINGLESS. Are they admitting that they reflashed the ECUs now, cause I've only read that and Mazda canada wont confirm it.


Has it lost performance.....yes in HP and in PR. This car is not as worth as much when I bought it (not depreciation) and I want my money back.

I understand why you want to keep the car. I don't. Not what I paid for. Simple. <edit not so simple...>

Originally posted by Gord96BRG
They insist that the cars will still hit the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers that they did before the ECUs were reflashed. So has it lost any real performance? NO.

Your car is broken in after your trip. Could you please go to a drag strip and do about 10 runs and post your best please? I'll be VERY SURPRISED if you come anywhere close to the 14.4-14.5 1/4 mile. :(

I'd be very surprised if anyone on this forum can produce the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times that those professional drivers produce, even with the old ECUs. And that goes for any of the cars that they review, not just the 8... it's simply not a fair comparison. I'll wait until C&D retests the car, none of the crap with forum members that: A.) don't know how to get the absolutely best out of the car, and B.) are not willing to push their car to the limit to see what their car can really do. Personally I'll admit to both.

And who cares anyhow!

I wouldn't have bought this car if I was intrested in straight line performance numbers. There are a lot of less expensive cars that can post much better times if that is what you are looking for! If you are really hung up on those numbers, you really are looking at the wrong car or you just don't get it!!!

Giving it back is not an option....I am getting the free stuff.

This car is a Keeper!

They can have it back when they pry it from my cold (very cold!) dead hands!
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Originally posted by ZoomZoom
I'd be very surprised if anyone on this forum can produce the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times that those professional drivers produce, even with the old ECUs. And that goes for any of the cars that they review, not just the 8... it's simply not a fair comparison. I'll wait until C&D retests the car, none of the crap with forum members that: A.) don't know how to get the absolutely best out of the car, and B.) are not willing to push their car to the limit to see what their car can really do. Personally I'll admit to both.


I agree.. but I'm still curious to see a dyno and maybe some 1/4 mile times from a Canadian car to see if they are the same as the US cars. The big mags will be testing the US versions of course.

Btw Bill if YOU are unwilling to push the car then I'll be perfectly willing to do it for you. Hehe.. :p

Am I pleased with the way Mazda is handling evidence that the car is WAY UNDER SPEC -- NO
-->Mazda Canada hasn't exactly had a lot of time to even formulate a response or game plan, given that this issue has only come up recently.


Game plan?? Mazda knew about this from day one!! They screwed us over BIG-TIME!! Mazda is trying to squirm their way out of this disasterous situation. They owe us a lot more! :mad:

Originally posted by Quick_lude

Btw Bill if YOU are unwilling to push the car then I'll be perfectly willing to do it for you. Hehe.. :p

Hey Jarek!

If I ever decide to destroy my ride to get the best possible 1/4 times you will be the first I'll call. :D :D :D

That's because I don't have the heart to do it. BTW... don't hold your breath. ;)

Game plan?? Mazda knew about this from day one!! They screwed us over BIG-TIME!! Mazda is trying to squirm their way out of this disasterous situation. They owe us a lot more! :mad: [/B]

How can they owe you a lot more than refunding your purchase or paying you cash and scheduled service?

What is "a lot more"? Seriously....would you expect any automotive manufacturer to just pay out 5, 10...15K to owners just because the horsepower and the fuel economy were off spec?

Some of you lot make me laugh...always expecting a handout.

If you don't like the car, take it back, so we can get back to having a forum where people who love this car can continue meaningful discussions.

Originally posted by Thunder
I eat my words....I am NOT GIVING THIS CAR BACK!!!!!
[/B]

Thunder...I'm glad you're back ;)

...ok the hazards work well.
...quick window down hides tint (just in case)...
Police: Good evening....
Me: Good evening Officer.
Do you know why I'm pulling you over?
Yes, sir.
How many k you got on this thing?
3k
Do you like it?
Yep. But mazda lowered the HP rating. I'm driving around to decide if I want to keep it or take the buy-out.
Licence and registration please (looks around car through window).
...Do you know how fast you were going.
...Yep...about [edited]
...Yep....thats about what I was pacing you at.
Do you know what the fine is for that?
Nope.
[states outrageous fine amount] and 3 points. Wait here.
...goes to car....returns....
This is a ticket for 52.50. Read the instructions carefully and choose one of the three options within 15 days. Nice car. Have a good evening.
Thank you sir. You helped me make up my mind.

Originally posted by Deep Blue


How can they owe you a lot more than refunding your purchase or paying you cash and scheduled service?

What is "a lot more"? Seriously....would you expect any automotive manufacturer to just pay out 5, 10...15K to owners just because the horsepower and the fuel economy were off spec?

Some of you lot make me laugh...always expecting a handout.

If you don't like the car, take it back, so we can get back to having a forum where people who love this car can continue meaningful discussions. A "lot more" equals approx. $2000. Let Mazda pay the price for pulling a stunt like this. I just want what I paid for!! You are still on your post-purchase honeymoon. Wake up and realize you were ripped off just like the rest of us!!

QUOTE]A "lot more" equals approx. $2000. Let Mazda pay the price for pulling a stunt like this. I just want what I paid for!! You are still on your post-purchase honeymoon. Wake up and realize you were ripped off just like the rest of us!![/QUOTE]


I don't know....3 years of free sched maint...have you priced out that 5w20 oil yet??

And before I hear anyone say it, see my previous post in which i say "Love is fickle...and breaking up is hard to do"

This post is starting to get wierd... mostly on account of Thunder's about-face.

What happened to your self-righteous indignation? Will TiRX8 follow suit? Why are some of you convinced Mazda was DELIBERATELY trying to RIP YOU OFF? The way some of you are talking you'd think that Mazda was guilty of feakin' mass murder... or hiding a freakin' Ford Pinto fiasco... PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE GUYS! This ain't the freakin' cargo door on a DC-10!

Sh--t, you'd think they were beating puppies or something. THE CARS HAVE BEEN OUT IN CANADA FOR A MONTH! A problem was identified, and a response was formulated. Most of you who complain that the problem is not being fixed are the same people who would end up bitching that (had they actually taken TIME (God forbid!) to FIX the problem) "MAZDA ISN'T RESPONDING FAST ENOUGH!"!!!

Those of you whining about DISHONESTY and Mazda's PURPOSEFULNESS in being dishonest: HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH DO YOU HAVE A CLUE WHAT MAZDA'S MOTIVATION ON THIS PROBLEM WAS??? SELL YOUR CARS BACK AND GOOD-RIDDANCE! That way some other poor sap car company can deal with a customer who is unhappy no matter what is attempted to make them happy.

I am not condoning what has HAPPENED. I just hate it when some of you guys sit there and talk about what Mazda has "DONE TO US" like they freakin' bent you over and... well you get the idea. Save some of your self-righteous indignation for when a REAL cover-up/problem shows up.

Originally posted by Thunder
QUOTE]A "lot more" equals approx. $2000. Let Mazda pay the price for pulling a stunt like this. I just want what I paid for!! You are still on your post-purchase honeymoon. Wake up and realize you were ripped off just like the rest of us!!


I don't know....3 years of free sched maint...have you priced out that 5w20 oil yet??

And before I hear anyone say it, see my previous post in which i say "Love is fickle...and breaking up is hard to do"
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Canadian Tire, Quaker State, $3.99 a liter
5 liters a change, service interval recommends 8K per change.
Let's say 6K.

About $120 of oil.
Add filters, etc. and I figure about $300 value.
And if you don;t like the rip-off dealers too bad, because that will be your only "free" choice.

After Weber Motors just smashed up my friends car prior to delivery today and offered him nothing..

Breaking up just became REALLY EASY!

You guys have talked me into it.

Forget trying to get blood from a crooked stone.

Tomorrow we are calling the Mercedes dealers and negotiating on C320 Sport Coupes.

215HP, 221ft./lbs. torque, 6 speed, with bi-xenon lamps, same Bose, same 8 airbags, nice wheels and 225/45 Michelins, and so on.. $42,500 Canadian.

Made in Germany.
Higher resale value.

And Mercedes integrity.

Bye-bye, y'all!

Originally posted by Gord96BRG


How do you know it lacks kick? All the reviews before release mentioned it wasn't very torquey. Yes, Mazda has revised the rated hp numbers, but they haven't revised the performance numbers. They insist that the cars will still hit the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers that they did before the ECUs were reflashed. So has it lost any real performance? NO.

My car did get close to the claimed mileage on my 6600 km road trip. No problem.

Regards,
Gordon

Thank you Gord for saying what was somewhere in my head but I just couldn't get it out: EXACTLY!!!

If the car meets the same specs it was supposed to have had at the "Horsepower Formerly Known As 247", where is the big "rip-off"?

I will admit I might get a little torqued if magazines review the production cars and get 0-60 times that are off by half a second or so... but if they are within .1 to .2, I mean really guys, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? And if you say "I plan to race it", I know full well you are going to mod it anyway. So take your free maintenance and run with it.

And congrats Gord on getting the claimed mileage. I rarely get the claimed mileage from my Accord for crying out loud (for those of you whining that 'it doesn't get the claimed mileage'), but I am honest enough to know it is because of the way I drive. So I have NO expectation of getting the claimed mileage on my 8... (if it ever gets here...)

Bye 'Zoomer, we will miss ya.

Should have bought the Merc you were looking at in Germany?

See ya round the 'City of Champions'!
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Originally posted by canzoomer


Breaking up just became REALLY EASY!

You guys have talked me into it.

Forget trying to get blood from a crooked stone.

Tomorrow we are calling the Mercedes dealers and negotiating on C320 Sport Coupes.

215HP, 221ft./lbs. torque, 6 speed, with bi-xenon lamps, same Bose, same 8 airbags, nice wheels and 225/45 Michelins, and so on.. $42,500 Canadian.

Made in Germany.
Higher resale value.

And Mercedes integrity.

Bye-bye, y'all!

LOL!!! Ever heard of a little Mercedes car known as the A Class? Check out that Mercedes integrity!! LOL. Good riddance, buddy.

Well when the going gets weird the weird turn pro!!

Hype works both ways boys!

Thunder

Originally posted by Thunder
Well when the going gets weird the weird turn pro!!

Hype works both ways boys!

Thunder

:D

Originally posted by Thunder
This is a ticket for 52.50. Read the instructions carefully and choose one of the three options within 15 days. Nice car. Have a good evening.

Was the ticket still for speeding? 15km/hr over or something like that? You should STILL fight it, any ticket on your record, even the ones without points can be used by your insurance company to jack your rates come renewal time. ANY speeding ticket, even 2km over is a ticket on your insurance record.

Originally posted by Quick_lude

Was the ticket still for speeding? 15km/hr over or something like that? You should STILL fight it, any ticket on your record, even the ones without points can be used by your insurance company to jack your rates come renewal time. ANY speeding ticket, even 2km over is a ticket on your insurance record.

Yeah, $52.50? I don't think I've EVER had one that cheap!:p

Na I got away nice and easy....


(Oh I forgot to mention that I did the clutch drop peeling away from the cop.)*




* Specifications of this story may change at any time.

Man I'm actually surprised you were able to get a speeding ticket. I mean, with all of the talking ('thundering', I guess I'll call it ;) ) you were doing before, you woulda thought the car wasn't powerful enough to reach illegal speeds... :p

Hey... this is what fanatical enthusiasm is all about- intensity of emotions and obsessing with detail! Get used to it!!!

You want fans Mazda, you got em right here......just be good to us and do the right thing- let us tune our cars....if we can squeeze more outta the ECU let us!!!

I just have to Laugh at a few things,
thunders turn around, and the fact that canzoomer is going to trade his RX8 for a Merc C320 LOL

I test drove that car, nice I guess, heavy as hell, electronic problems out the ying yang, and not really much of a car for the money.

Schizophrenia anyone? :p

Originally posted by canzoomer

Made in Germany.
Higher resale value.

And Mercedes integrity.

Bye-bye, y'all!

It has been my experience that people with the opinion above have never owned or driven a Mercedes, BMW, etc.

Zoomer, see my (and other members) postings here:
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9743

In addition to talking about quality...you actually think a Benz or Beamer has a higher resale value? Wow, get ready for a rude awakening. I drove my 330Ci for about 1 yr and 8 months, and lost a total of $18,000 in depreciation. My dad has lost well over $40,000 on his E320 that he's driven for 4 years.

Expensive German cars = massive depreciation hit...so the resale value item you have here simply isn't accurate.

Take a read of my posts in that thread I link to above about what "made in Germany" is worth these days.

73JPS - Glad to see someone else is willing to defend Mazda/ the Rx-8 on this one.

i'm thinking that a C 320 is an ok car that will never ever get the attention the Rx-8 gets, never ever will it be as fun to drive, never ever will you not regret your move.

keep the 8 and have fun... or buy the 320 and get older instantly.

Originally posted by Doctorr
Bye 'Zoomer, we will miss ya.

Should have bought the Merc you were looking at in Germany?

See ya round the 'City of Champions'!
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Funny thing you mention that.
My wife and I were looking ast one back in 2001, and as we were going to Germany as part of a vacation.
But at that time Mercedes Canada was not participating in that program where you pick up your car there, as I recall..
And to do it on our own would have been a lot more expensive.

Thanks Ray, see you too!

Originally posted by Wing
I just have to Laugh at a few things,
thunders turn around, and the fact that canzoomer is going to trade his RX8 for a Merc C320 LOL

I test drove that car, nice I guess, heavy as hell, electronic problems out the ying yang, and not really much of a car for the money.
As far as weight, it is about 180lbs. more than the 8.

Thanks for the warning
What have you heard about the electrics?
I would really appreciate if you could point me to some info on that problem..

I was also looking at the Infiniti Q35 6 speed coupe, but it is around $6K more, and I do not really want to drop another big chunk of cash at this point.

More like crazy for this car.

Not so crazy for mazda.

Thanks for tolerating the vent folks.

Mazda, you're not off the hook with me yet- you got some 'splaining to do.

canzoomer, I have read many mags and website with owners that complain about mercedes electronics problems.

I can't give you a link specifically but I am being honest about what I have read.

Frankly the amount of electronics in that car scare me (and I'm a techy!) The thing is cool to play with those, gadgets out the ying yang and I had a huge smile on my face playing with them on my test drive.

But something with THAT much software is never good..... take it from a software tester :)