WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Free maintenence for the life of my vehicle, and $500 to spend.

I am not complaining one bit, and was kinda HOPING this happened though the second time around I hope Mazda gets it right on the RX-7.... they need to stay successful in business. Fortunately they caught this problem early and since no ads were runnng on the cars, it's pretty simple to see that they didn't lose much cash (I'd think).

Anyhoo.... thumbs up to Mazda for first, stepping up to the plate and admitting the deficiency, and second giving me $500 and free maintenence.

I'm also happy because those people that RETURN the car will be quickly mentally noted because they are the type of people from the get-go who'd never know how to enjoy the car. So thanks Mazda, for getting rid of them too.

its not for the life of the vehicle only for 4 years 50,000 miles which ever comes first.

I think Herc meant for the life of the vehicle in his hands. He's leasing, if I recall correctly, and presumably doesn't plan on buying it out at the end.

Hmmm does this apply to leases?? hmm

Originally posted by Wing
Hmmm does this apply to leases?? hmm
yes it should apply to the lease as well.
though you will prbably loose money if you decide to give up the rx-8.

Originally posted by Hercules


I'm also happy because those people that RETURN the car will be quickly mentally noted because they are the type of people from the get-go who'd never know how to enjoy the car. So thanks Mazda, for getting rid of them too.

I totally agee! I LOVE my car, and that's with me not even driving it yet.

Originally posted by Hercules

I'm also happy because those people that RETURN the car will be quickly mentally noted because they are the type of people from the get-go who'd never know how to enjoy the car. So thanks Mazda, for getting rid of them too.

They also might be the people who get their MSRP money back and buy it back much cheaper too.:D

Yeah, but meanwhile they arent going to be driving the car, and I am :D

I am happy with the final word. it's pretty much what I expected for the situation and sicne my car drives exactly the same no matter what that little number says, am happy with the free addons I am going to be getting with that 500 bucks, as well as never having to lay out a single cent on the car besides my regular payments for the next 4 years.

Makes that cost to own a hell of a lot nicer if ya ask me :)

Lets see. Cost to own: Gas it up.

Yeah. I'm happy with that.

And like I said, the "free" window tints, fender strakes, ultra white lights, Zaino kit and hopefully air intake system sometime soon is just icing on a very pretty titanium gray cake.

Originally posted by Genom
Yeah, but meanwhile they arent going to be driving the car, and I am :D

I am happy with the final word. it's pretty much what I expected for the situation and sicne my car drives exactly the same no matter what that little number says, am happy with the free addons I am going to be getting with that 500 bucks, as well as never having to lay out a single cent on the car besides my regular payments for the next 4 years.

Makes that cost to own a hell of a lot nicer if ya ask me :)

Lets see. Cost to own: Gas it up.

Yeah. I'm happy with that.

And like I said, the "free" window tints, fender strakes, ultra white lights, Zaino kit and hopefully air intake system sometime soon is just icing on a very pretty titanium gray cake.

word, though i dunno what im gunna buy, i might just use it for a payment...though id really like some zaino...and some fly fishing gear...need a new reel after all..still have around 200 bucks left...wow, this is great!

plus, it really shows mazda actually DOES care, because they are not legally responsible for ANYTHING as the actual hp is within the 5% allowance, this is all out of good faith!

Actually, I've already bought all that stuff. Except for the intake. So this will go right to my CC bill. So all that stuff I was suffering to pay for is now free!

Originally posted by nk_Rx8
They also might be the people who get their MSRP money back and buy it back much cheaper too.:D That would be a nice thought if the dealers were selling them, but Mazda will take the repurchased 8s and do whatever with them (auction them, sell them to employees at a discount, etc.)

I for one am going to seriously consider the buyback. Don't get me wrong, I've had 3 rotary's (90 vert, 94 tt, and 04),and love the 8, but I lease a vehicle for work and was only planning to put 5K max on the rx8, so the added incentive for free upkeep is minimal. I'm leaning toward returning and waiting for a FI version as my payment could be put to other good use.

isn't the four years or 48,000 included with buying the car

Definitely a WOOOOO HOOOOO here too. I just effectively got $1500 off a car I've already paid for - and I always liked the performance anyway.

Originally posted by mikeb
isn't the four years or 48,000 included with buying the car Not the maintenence...

It's like owning a BMW now :p ... at least as far as upkeep and maintenence is concerned :D

They are still lying. 238 hp is still an "inflated" number. I am glad some of you are happy regardless of the number.

Originally posted by Hercules

I'm also happy because those people that RETURN the car will be quickly mentally noted because they are the type of people from the get-go who'd never know how to enjoy the car. So thanks Mazda, for getting rid of them too.
Too bad you had to make such a stupid-ass statement. Maybe some of the "RETURNS" are just thinking ahead more so than you.
If I bring it back I can buy another one later cheaper, newer, no miles, fresh tires, with any updates and fixes taken care of at the factory, new warranty etc. I will also be able to change my options or color (not that I would except maybe to add 6-Disc)and not lose any money but actually make out on the deal.

I can now be a buyer in a buyer's market and have the three local dealers compete for my business. For that matter I will probably be able to buy back my car as a used car and save more than you will on scheduled maintenance in the next 4 years.

There are enough outsider jerks to deal with here without slamming some of our own. Me making a business decision that may be best for me is the same as you buying this car because it is the best for you. If I sell it back it has nothing to do with the HP or not loving the car or knowing how to have fun enjoying the car.
The MPG is my only real complaint. Using premium and with gas prices reaching all time highs the 16 mpg will bankrupt me trying to have fun.

Peace Herc and enjoy your $500 spending spree. Buying a new watch are ya?

TurboSE:
Before you slam an excellent and "more than fair" offer from Mazda, why don't you get off your *ss and buy one so that your opinion counts. Right now, you're sideline material.
:mad:

Ok, I'll be the pessimist here...

Other than the 'short' term benefits you owners are going to receive, can you really say that you are happy with what is going on here?

Do you not see the possible adverse affects this scandal Mazda has again done? Do you really think that this is a good thing for the company especially since this is their flagship car?

Or more importantly to the whole rotary revival?

Sure, Mazda stepped up and offered a correction for their mistake. But what trust can you have in a company that makes the same mistake twice?

What if people continue to dyno there car and still get ~180 rwhp? Would Mazda continue to lower their advertised figures yet again just to make owners all giddy?

How will this translate to sales, support, or the production run of the car when there is already controversy to engine/fuel efficiency already in its early introduction.

Im just kind of suprised that owners are happy at Mazda for a mistake they have yet again made. All only because Mazda has offered short term compensation for their mistakes.

But hey, its still "fun" to drive right?


BTW, I agree with TJRX8. That comment by Hercules and the post above mines make it sound like your a bunch of elitist snobs.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TJRX8
[B]
If I bring it back I can buy another one later cheaper, newer, no miles, fresh tires, with any updates and fixes taken care of at the factory, new warranty etc. I will also be able to change my options or color (not that I would except maybe to add 6-Disc)and not lose any money but actually make out on the deal.

Yes, yopu will get a new car but... you will not get free Mainenance for the life of the Warranty nor will you get the $500 bucks.

I can now be a buyer in a buyer's market and have the three local dealers compete for my business.

There is no "buyers market" yet and ther won't be for along time. These cars are selling like hot cakes. Just think, since July 11th when the first customer deliveries took place and adding in just the pre-orders that haven't been delivered, three thousand cars ar affected by this proposition form Mazda. that's been in approximately 42 days. Be prepared to wait for a buyers market. your logic is flawed.

For that matter I will probably be able to buy back my car as a used car and save more than you will on scheduled maintenance in the next 4 years.

Only in your dreams...

Originally posted by Hercules
WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I'm also happy because those people that RETURN the car will be quickly mentally noted because they are the type of people from the get-go who'd never know how to enjoy the car. So thanks Mazda, for getting rid of them too.

Why do you have to put people down for thinking about returning their car, the buyers are not the ones who lied!? It's one thing be content with $500 MAZDA CREDIT (sorry, no Zaino or CAI/Exhaust), but it's just wrong to slam others who prefers the buy back. It's not necessary to attempt to bash on other owners to make yourself feel better. 'thans Mazda for getting rid of them?' Please~ get off your soap box alreay. :o

Anyhow, I agree with TurboSE that the 175-180whp dyno number still indicates 238hp is overrated. Also, if you chose the buy back~ that gives the choice to buy whatever you want for $30k. By choosing buy back, you have the option of buying another car, or buy a brand new / used RX-8 at a decent discount. (and I would imagine you'd be able to get more than $1500 off a RX-8 after this fiasco) That's money you can do whatever you want. Remember, if you decide to keep your RX-8 and have to sell it in a year~ they the free maintenance and $500 Mazda credit won't do any good for you. It's all about freedom of choice.

Let me think...

I could return the car and get my money back, then buy a new RX-8 with all the bugs fixed in, say, a year from now for invoice instead of MSRP, and hence save even more than the $1500 Mazda is currently offering. Of course I will have to walk or take public transport everywhere for the next year, or perhaps buy a beater car for that period to travel around in - none of those options are really free...

I know, I could return the car and get my money back, and then immediately buy another new car and haggle hard and maybe get $1000 off MSRP on that new car. Except that they may not have another car with all the items I want coming in soon (what will I do for transport until that car comes in?), and as the car is still selling like crazy maybe I won't get the $1000 off after all (and Mazda is effectively offering me $1500 right now to keep my car)...

Perhaps I should return my car and then try to buy it back immediately as a used car from the dealership for thousands less. Of course they may not be too happy with me for doing that and might make my car a demo vehicle for everyone to thrash for a while before putting it on sale...

Or perhaps I should buy a used car that someone else has returned, but many people here have said before they return their car they will thrash it as hard as they can - surely not good. And do I really want to spend over $25k on a used car? Will I get financing? Can I still lease it? I don't think so...


Or maybe I will be happy to be given free servicing and $500 to keep what is already the best car I have ever owned. Yeah - that sounds about right.

Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
BTW, I agree with TJRX8. That comment by Hercules and the post above mines make it sound like your a bunch of elitist snobs.

You should have stated "That comment by Hercules and the post above mines make it sound like HE is a elitist snob." Please don't generalize the RX8 enthusiasts here to be on the same level as a few very specific individuals. I agree though, don't put other people down just to make yourself feel more secure about the decision you are making. Either buy back or free maintenance~ the owners win in the end. See, making noise does get things done.

I was actually just referring to Hercules and Boowana. That "your" was for them and not intended for the whole board.

Now if I would of said "you all..."

Sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by boowana
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TJRX8
[B]
There is no "buyers market" yet and ther won't be for along time. These cars are selling like hot cakes. Just think, since July 11th when the first customer deliveries took place and adding in just the pre-orders that haven't been delivered, three thousand cars ar affected by this proposition form Mazda. that's been in approximately 42 days. Be prepared to wait for a buyers market. your logic is flawed.
Only in your dreams...
Funny how wrong you are but speak with such authority. I visited one of the dealers in my area and could have had my choice of 6 RX-8's at MSRP or below. I also didn't say there was a buyer's market yet, there will be though and I'm willing to bet you on that. I will be able to buy the same car for less money than I originally paid, people are already doing it. All this before Mazda even makes the official announcement.

In my dreams....only time will tell.

BTW Good luck to everyone in whatever choice you make. I won't be looking down at you if you decide to keep or sell back. I love the car and like that I am going to be given this choice.

Originally posted by pelucidor
Let me think...

I still have my old car because the dealer had no incentive to give me a fair trade since I preordered months before.

All of my scenarios are speculation and I really hope everyone makes out for what is best for them.

As for the "scheduled" maintenance, what exactly is "scheduled" that they will pay for? The way I read the manual (based on sched #2) you will be getting:

10 oil changes
1 air filter replaced
1 set of spark plugs replaced
1 replacement of; brake, trans and diff fluids
(surprised there was no mention of tire rotation)

How much is this worth? I'm not questioning your decision to keep the car just how much do we all think this will be worth. I guess we will know more when the official announcement comes out. The next few weeks could get interesting.

But I *am* an elitist snob.

*grin*

Originally posted by CarEnthusiast
Ok, I'll be the pessimist here...

Other than the 'short' term benefits you owners are going to receive, can you really say that you are happy with what is going on here?


Yes. Happy enough not to return my car. I agree with some others that the free schedule maintenance and $500 is icing on the cake for me.

Do you not see the possible adverse affects this scandal Mazda has again done?

Maybe. Only to some enthusiasts. I don't think the common consumer who will be shopping this car for the looks, functionality, and existing performance will care.


Do you really think that this is a good thing for the company especially since this is their flagship car?

Again, I don't think it will be a PR disaster. Mazda has revised this before the wide-scale release of this car to the market. Remember most dealers will not be fully stocked with RX-8's to sell till October or November, the normal release dates for this model year. I think Mazda has caught this in time.

Or more importantly to the whole rotary revival?
Maybe. If the car sells as projected, then only Mazda will determine it's future, not the market. Worst case, if this ends the production of RX-8 & the demise of the rotary once again, I have a "limited edition" vehicle which would be more marketable then before.

But what trust can you have in a company that makes the same mistake twice?

Yes, because I feel there wasn't a "cover-up" or blatant mistake. I believe Mazda had to detune the engine to meet US emissions, they revised their ratings because of it. I applaude them for that. If emissions was a factor, that wasn't their faut. Blame the US emissions.

What if people continue to dyno there car and still get ~180 rwhp?

Don't know yet. Besides if it is still performing similiar 0-60 times, what difference does the rwhp state. I bought the car for the perfomance, not the HP rating. Worst case, if the performance is slightly down, this car is still fast enough for me.

Would Mazda continue to lower their advertised figures yet again just to make owners all giddy?

Why would they? Hypothetical and highly unlikely. I believe the now revised HP is correct because of the detuned ECU being used to meet the emissions.

How will this translate to sales, support, or the production run of the car when there is already controversy to engine/fuel efficiency already in its early introduction.

Still to be determined. As I stated above, most consumers will not care about the stated HP. If the car sells, I see no problem. Then only Mazda will determine its future fate (production run, new RX-8 models, RX-7, other rotaries).

Im just kind of suprised that owners are happy at Mazda for a mistake they have yet again made. All only because Mazda has offered short term compensation for their mistakes.

But hey, its still "fun" to drive right?


I'm happy that they corrected their marketing and made ammends to those that already own the vehicle. It IS fun to drive (according to my wife). That is why people are satisfied with Mazda for the ammends and are keeping the car. Not surprising to me.

BTW, I agree with TJRX8. That comment by Hercules and the post above mines make it sound like your a bunch of elitist snobs. [/B]

I understand what Hercules and Bootwana are saying. First off we have opinions of those that have never driven the vehicle. Sure their opinions are welcomed, but to flame the performance of the car just because of a HP number is unfounded. Although I think Hercules was a little strong in his last statement, I understand what he was trying to say. If one is happy with the performance of the car before the revised HP rating, then one wouldn't be thinking of turning it in. If they didn't enjoy driving it then, it gives them the fortunate option of opting out of owning it. Now for those like my friend TJRX8 that was perfectly happy with the performance before this HP revision and Mazda giving him an option of buying it back so he can turn around and buy it again, then I say - greedy "bastage". ;)

Originally posted by boowana
TurboSE:
Before you slam an excellent and "more than fair" offer from Mazda, why don't you get off your *ss and buy one so that your opinion counts. Right now, you're sideline material.
:mad:
I'm just curious, why do you proclaim this "excellent and more than fair Mazda offer" as if it is a fact? Who made that decision? Judging from reading tonight there is a fair number of current and prospective owners like me that do NOT think this offer is "excellent and more than fair" Yes, horsepower is not everything but it is an important part of a sports performance car. I don't think that a 15 sec $38,000 car without leather interior is a fair price considering the competition. I already drive a 15 sec car that with a $1700 Cnd Tein coilover suspension probably outhandles the rx-8 right now, except for the rwd vs fwd dynamics. So yes for some here that are planning to upgrade from a Civic/Accord/etc the handling improvement will be enormous and they will/are happy with it. Others like me already have very good handling.. so that factor will not overshadow the hp deficiency for me.

I'm not saying that the 8 is off the list for me now considering this latest development but unlike some people here that cannot be objective about the situation because of their passion for the car, I need to be, because it's my very hard earned money and I would like to get full value for it.

Originally posted by Quick_lude
I'm not saying that the 8 is off the list for me now considering this latest development but unlike some people here that cannot be objective about the situation because of their passion for the car, I need to be, because it's my very hard earned money and I would like to get full value for it. If a HP number is THAT important to you, DON'T BUY ONE.

Really, it's quite simple. Either take it off the table because you know it has 237 HP or go ahead and buy it because it's fun and nothing revs like a rotary.

Mazda is offering people who've bought one a FULL REFUND - you could have racked up 6000 miles by now, it won't make a difference.

I don't see how you could possibly BE any fairer as a manufacturer than that: "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back."

Originally posted by pelucidor
Or maybe I will be happy to be given free servicing and $500 to keep what is already the best car I have ever owned. Yeah - that sounds about right.

Wow, that sums up my feelings EXACTLY! I have a feeling that a lot of the people whose first kneejerk reaction to the hp re-rating was "Those b**tards!!! There's no way I'm keeping this car those crooks sold me, I'll stick it to them!" will, after they've calmed down a little, get in their RX-8's, go out for a drive, then remember why they bought the car in the first place: the styling, the rotary engine, and most of all, the fun-to-drive factor. They didn't *really* buy it based on the 247hp number on paper.

Well I thought about this.

I paid $43,000 cdn after taxes for this car.

The only other car that was REALLY on my list was the Acura TSX.

I have heard the best price for that car would be $39,000 out the door taxes and all, I might not get that, but let's assume.

So differences in the car, well....

The TSX would have Leather..... good or bad, not sure, more luxury for sure.


Ummm, the TSX also has climate control, which is cool and a moonroof.

The gas mileage isn't really all that much better on the TSX according to the EPA ratings.

So for 4K I get a MUCH cooler looking car that I LOVE. And I get FREE maintenance!

$4k is a lot of money I suppose but the TSX is NOT an RX8, I never use the backseats, really I just wanted a sports car with a TRUNK! And I got one. I really would have bought a miata or something but only having 1 car that would be a real problem.

I think I'll keep her :) and apply some more wax now :)

Duplicate thread, closing...

---jps