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We've also had some official stats released about the concept and they are as follows:

Dodge Challenger Concept Specifications

Specifications:
Length: 197.8" (5025 mm)
Wheelbase: 116.0" (2945mm)
Front Overhang: 38.9" (989mm)
Width: 78.6" (1997mm)
Height: 57.0" (1449mm)
Track, Frt/Rr: 64.0"/65.1"
Couple: 31.5" (800mm)

Color:
Exterior: Challenger Orange
Interior: Black

Key Performance Attributes
0-60 mph: 4.5 seconds
60-0 ft: 133 ft.
Standing ¼ mile: 13 seconds
Top Speed: 174mph
Range: 300 miles
Powertrain and Suspension:
Engine: 6.1L Hemi (425hp@600rpm/420ft.-lbs@480rpm)
Drivetrain: RWD/ 6-speed-manual
Suspension: Short/long-arm Independent

Front Tire Size: P255/40R20
Wheel Size: 20"X 9"
Outer Diameter: 29.76" (777mm)

Rear Tire Size: P265/45R21
Wheel Size: 21"X 10"
Outer Diameter: 29.76" (756mm)

nice but i hope it dosnt cost as much as a vette.

dam retro styling

nice but i hope it dosnt cost as much as a vette.
No way in hell oculd it and sell, wont match power, and wont even come close to quality and interior...if they do, they are idiots :spank:

Id take it over a GTO though

Id take it over a GTO though

Meh, i like the 05+ GTOs

im def gunna get a new camaro now!!! new pics and article to ocme in other thread...

New Camaro > New Mustang = New Challenger (styling and reliablity goes to Mustang, engine to Challenger) > GTO... and I don't mind the GTO... just kinda dull. I'd probably get a G35c instead of a GTO even if it's "only" a V6 and a little slower.

I'm getting really tired of the retro look. Americans don't have much creativity anymore. We redo old car styles to make them look new. We redo old movies over and over again to make them new again. How about a new idea? How about exciting new cars? This looks OK. The new Camaro concept looks OK. The new Mustang looks OK. That's it though. Just OK. I wouldn't even trade in my little Civic on any of these. If this is anything like all of the other powerful american cars, it will be fast in a straight line but lose to an overloaded schoolbus in the handling department. Either that or it will handle wonderfully but be priced like the Vette. It's OK but that's as inspiring about it as I can be.

New Camaro > New Mustang = New Challenger (styling and reliablity goes to Mustang, engine to Challenger) > GTO... and I don't mind the GTO... just kinda dull. I'd probably get a G35c instead of a GTO even if it's "only" a V6 and a little slower.

The mustang is not styish, terrible interior and reliability, the mustang has never really been too reliable, i dont kno about the new ones, but they would have to be so much more reliable than the previous ones to even come close to reliable

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

'79 Mustang Pacecar with the Turbo I-4. Had turbo problems, but otherwise all good. Supposedly these turbo issues were cleared in the 1984 Mustang SVO.

'83 Mustang GT. Other than the heater core, not a single problem with the car.

'87 Mustang GT. Not a single problem with the car.

'90 Mustang LX 5.0. Purchased well-used in 1998. Other than age issues (the car IS 16 years old now afteral) and the heater core... not a single problem with this car. Never been stranded. Never got fu&%ed for $1,000 and stranded because the damn timing belt broke... bending valves and requiring the head to be remachined (my POS '89 Honda Prelude Si.. R.I.P.). Some of the best $4,000 I have even spent. Better than the $5,000 I spent on my POS Suzuki SV400 motorcycle (bought with 6,000km)... now... R.I.P. (bad crank bearing).

Yep... unreliable alright. :rolleyes:

You might not like the styling, but look at your name... you're reeeal objective. Besides... Ford's sales of the car say more than enough about its styling. The car's past sales tell quite a story as well.

Reliability in the current car. Well go talk to the Mazda6 guys. Tell them their cars are unreliable POS, because the new Mustang is built at the same plant.

im waiting for the model T to come back with 400HP.

^LOL

It will probably cost too much and be heavy...

I too am "meh" with the retro styling, give us something NEW dag nabit.

Here is the link to the other Camaro thread...fyi:

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=56071

Give me the green one's butt with the red and black one's front and it would be sweeeettttt!

Oh by the way, I like this car better than the Mustang but they will probably over price it and make it a poor 2+2...why the extra 2 if it's unusable?

im waiting for the model T to come back with 400HP.
So if this car had 400HP instead of 250 it would have been a hit??

Someone please correct me in case I'm wrong, but this car has 425 horsepower.

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

'79 Mustang Pacecar with the Turbo I-4. Had turbo problems, but otherwise all good. Supposedly these turbo issues were cleared in the 1984 Mustang SVO.

'83 Mustang GT. Other than the heater core, not a single problem with the car.

'87 Mustang GT. Not a single problem with the car.

'90 Mustang LX 5.0. Purchased well-used in 1998. Other than age issues (the car IS 16 years old now afteral) and the heater core... not a single problem with this car. Never been stranded. Never got fu&%ed for $1,000 and stranded because the damn timing belt broke... bending valves and requiring the head to be remachined (my POS '89 Honda Prelude Si.. R.I.P.). Some of the best $4,000 I have even spent. Better than the $5,000 I spent on my POS Suzuki SV400 motorcycle (bought with 6,000km)... now... R.I.P. (bad crank bearing).

Yep... unreliable alright. :rolleyes:

You might not like the styling, but look at your name... you're reeeal objective. Besides... Ford's sales of the car say more than enough about its styling. The car's past sales tell quite a story as well.

Reliability in the current car. Well go talk to the Mazda6 guys. Tell them their cars are unreliable POS, because the new Mustang is built at the same plant.

I got my info from that brittish dude when he test drove the mustang...everything he said about it was terrible (not including the new 1) and he ripped the engine apart, especially the fact that it is made from pumis. But i asked around on LS2, from owners, and not many considered it unreliable, most who did modded it...so i guess i was wrong :spank: and as far as sales....Ford does an amazing job with the stang, they ALWAYS have. They are a key part to keeping Ford alive and they are very respectable b/c of that

So if this car had 400HP instead of 250 it would have been a hit??

nah, the model T has more interior room. :)

'83 Mustang GT. Other than the heater core, not a single problem with the car. Arg..... had to take entire dash out of car to replace the damn thing if you had air. Reliable car up until about 100k miles then fell apart.

Reliable car up until about 100k miles then fell apart.

...as was most American cars I've ever seen, worked on, rode in, ect. from about '00 and earlier.

Everytime one of the "big 3" intros a "retro" designed new car it just proves that they are completely out of new ideas. That Camaro looks like complete FUCK. The Challenger looks like someone gave the front end of a 300C a mammagram and the new Mustang looks like it has down syndrome.

In case you guys haven't noticed...Retro is in. The Big 3 don't create the fad, they just fulfill it. Countless $$ are spent on market research before the design phase.People want retro, so Detroit gives it to them.

Not a bad looking car, but I'd never buy one over the Camaro. LS >> "Hemi," Zeta >> Chrysler's chassis, and the Chevy looks better. Not to mention being quite a bit smaller.

The only reason it's in is because the manufacturers build them and give others no choice. People don't just randomly say they want the od styles back. The car manufacturers throw the idea out because that's what they have. Then they build it based on the results. If no manufacturer came up with these ideas, there'd be no fad.

The only reason it's in is because the manufacturers build them and give others no choice. People don't just randomly say they want the od styles back. The car manufacturers throw the idea out because that's what they have. Then they build it based on the results. If no manufacturer came up with these ideas, there'd be no fad.

A lot of times, the manufacturers are wrong, though, and have to chew on their financial losses.

A fad only ensues when markets love what the corporation has produced - whether what they've produced is objectively good or bad (even if that can be defined).

I would argue that the market (i.e. the sheep) fuels the fad, not the producer.

I know one thing. If I was going to buy some American muscle, this Challenger would be the one. It's about time Chrysler built something to compete with the Mustang and Camaro.

I got my info from that brittish dude when he test drove the mustang...everything he said about it was terrible (not including the new 1) and he ripped the engine apart, especially the fact that it is made from pumis. But i asked around on LS2, from owners, and not many considered it unreliable, most who did modded it...so i guess i was wrong :spank: and as far as sales....Ford does an amazing job with the stang, they ALWAYS have. They are a key part to keeping Ford alive and they are very respectable b/c of that


Sorry if I get over-the-top, but there is much domestic hate that floats around this forum. If you don't like the styling or it just isn't that car for you... that's fine. That's why there are other cars out there... to each his own. All the domestic makers made major screw ups over the last 20 years and made some crummy cars, but now isn't then. And through this all... the Mustang has been remarkably reliable. Flexing chassis in the FOX platform? Yep. Better, but not still much room for improvement in the updated FOX (FOX-4? SN95)? Yep. The interior... well the '93 was the same as the '87... and again the '04 was the same as the '94... so you gotta cut it some slack... not to mention the platform was in use since 1979 when taken from the Fairmont. All this taken into account... it has been a pretty good car and like mine and my father's experience... quite reliable. The fact that the 302 V8 is just a "blown" 289 from the original '64 Mustang probably helps too... lots of years to fix the bugs. :)

I agree... Ford could have done better with the interior... and it looks like they are making up for it in the GT500. I'm not into "billet" anything, but apparantly the Mustang market is... ever been Mustang & Ford events? The door speakers look horrible and the interior plastic could be better... but hey... for $25k you get 300hp. The GTO will cost you a bit more, as will an Evo or an STi (whose interiors everyone complains about). THe 350Z's interior is complained about too, it's slower, has less luggage space and no back seats. Don't forget slower too. The difference in handling is easily addressed by a handling package from Ford Racing (order by web or at the dealer) or one of the many aftermarket companies (Saleen, Rousch, Steeda, etc.). All in all... that's a lot of bang for the buck.

We'll see what happens now if/when GM and Chrysler release their new pony cars. 2009... that's a lot of time... enough for a facelift and Ford to drop in even more power....

BTW... that British guy's article... he may have had a few points, but it was entirely lost in his obvious hard-on he has for American cars. :rolleyes: Take it with a grain of salt...

Arg..... had to take entire dash out of car to replace the damn thing if you had air. Reliable car up until about 100k miles then fell apart.

Yep... damn thing. Which it why it wasn't ever fixed in the '83 or the '90. Living in Florida helps too (although I had the '90 in NC before giving it to my father when I came to Japan).

'90 Mustang LX 5.0... 16 years old 150,000+ miles and still going strong.

A lot of times, the manufacturers are wrong, though, and have to chew on their financial losses.

A fad only ensues when markets love what the corporation has produced - whether what they've produced is objectively good or bad (even if that can be defined).

I would argue that the market (i.e. the sheep) fuels the fad, not the producer.

Exactly. Sorry RG... you're off the mark on this one.

Example... Ford Thunderbird. Retro design and it flopped.

Chrysler Crossfire. Flop.

Chrysler PT Cruiser. Seems to be doing alright (even see some here in Japan).

Chrysler 300. Seems to be doing quite well.

Ford GT. Doing very well.

Ford Mustang. Doing VERY well.

In the Mustang's case... everyone loves the original Mustangs... '64 - '71. I have said it before... the whole Mustang II eyesore with the oil crisis and then resorting to the FOX platform in '79 lead the Mustang away from what it was. Lee Iacocoa moving up to President of Ford (away from produce design) and leaving in 1978 may have had something to do with that... Anyway Ford had been trying to bring the styling cues back in '94 and '00 (?) when they revised the FOX platform and gave it a facelift. Now with the chance to redo it from "scratch"... they took heavy doses of it. Remember the Ford Probe? It had been proposed to be the next Mustang, but got rejected. The market outright rejected that idea. The concept cars for the new mustang... they were raved over. So Ford built it. Could have translated better in my opinion, but hey...

Now we have Chrysler and GM trying to do the same thing with the Challenger and the Camaro. You don't like it? don't buy it. What... you want it to look like a Kabura or G35 coupe? :rolleyes: Enough following. It's time to redefine and set your own trends for US automakers.

If it has the name Mustang or Camaro on it, it doesn't matter what it looks like. It'll sell. You could take a dump on a log, badge it as one of those and it would still sell. I'm not an american car hater. I've owned a few. I never will again though. Not because I hate them though.

^^ I can say the exact same about Honda cars... :dunno:

Exactly. Sorry RG... you're off the mark on this one.

Example... Ford Thunderbird. Retro design and it flopped.

Chrysler Crossfire. Flop.

Chrysler PT Cruiser. Seems to be doing alright (even see some here in Japan).

Chrysler 300. Seems to be doing quite well.

Ford GT. Doing very well.

Ford Mustang. Doing VERY well.

In the Mustang's case... everyone loves the original Mustangs... '64 - '71. I have said it before... the whole Mustang II eyesore with the oil crisis and then resorting to the FOX platform in '79 lead the Mustang away from what it was. Lee Iacocoa moving up to President of Ford (away from produce design) and leaving in 1978 may have had something to do with that... Anyway Ford had been trying to bring the styling cues back in '94 and '00 (?) when they revised the FOX platform and gave it a facelift. Now with the chance to redo it from "scratch"... they took heavy doses of it. Remember the Ford Probe? It had been proposed to be the next Mustang, but got rejected. The market outright rejected that idea. The concept cars for the new mustang... they were raved over. So Ford built it. Could have translated better in my opinion, but hey...

Now we have Chrysler and GM trying to do the same thing with the Challenger and the Camaro. You don't like it? don't buy it. What... you want it to look like a Kabura or G35 coupe? :rolleyes: Enough following. It's time to redefine and set your own trends for US automakers.

Actually it does amazing here, its a VERY good selling car...so well selling, in fact, that GM made a car like it to try to get some sales, the HHR i believe

Looks like I may be purchasing a new car come 2009... the Challenger or the Camaro. American Muscle Cars are re-born!

Challenger camaro.... they both look the same. :rolleyes: I agree with transam kid I get a 05+GTO anyday.

I test drove an 05 GTO. Didn't excite me. However, if you get to ride in the back seat with someone stomping on it, you'll get a nice vibrating back rub!

I test drove an 05 GTO. Didn't excite me. However, if you get to ride in the back seat with someone stomping on it, you'll get a nice vibrating back rub!

What was lacking from it? I really hope you dont say power....

I test drove an 05 GTO. Didn't excite me. However, if you get to ride in the back seat with someone stomping on it, you'll get a nice vibrating back rub!

A 400HP V8 didn't excite you?

There isn't much out there that will.....

No, there was PLENTY of power. I like exterior styling, not the looks of a bland GTO or Grand Prix. The interior, though classic muscle car-ish, left me wanting more buttons to push, and gadgets to fiddle with (not while driving of course!). I didn't want to buy something that I had to spend more $$ just to get the things I wanted in it. The RX-8 had everything I wanted, and when I test drove it (twice!), it just felt like it fit. Don't get me wrong, my husband and I had a 69 Pontiac Firebird sitting in our garage before the RX8. I love classics and muscle cars! My favorite car of all is the 57 Chevy Bel Air 2 door hardtop. :)

No, there was PLENTY of power. I like exterior styling, not the looks of a bland GTO or Grand Prix. The interior, though classic muscle car-ish, left me wanting more buttons to push, and gadgets to fiddle with (not while driving of course!). I didn't want to buy something that I had to spend more $$ just to get the things I wanted in it. The RX-8 had everything I wanted, and when I test drove it (twice!), it just felt like it fit. Don't get me wrong, my husband and I had a 69 Pontiac Firebird sitting in our garage before the RX8. I love classics and muscle cars! My favorite car of all is the 57 Chevy Bel Air 2 door hardtop. :)
Cant go wrong with a 4th gen t/a or camaro :bowdown:
or get an STI or something

or just wait for 09 to roll around and treat urself to a camaro

I was trying to hold out for a new Camaro, but the current state of our beaters made me decide to buy this year (not that I'm complaining!).

Here's a pic of my husband (years ago) with his 79 Trans Am 400 small block, solid cam, solid lifters, 411 rear, 400 turbo trans, & stall speed torque converter.

:ylsuper:

I know if we had the opportunity to buy a car like this in the near future, we would take it....

I seriously doubt that Dodge will be able to bring this car to the market with 425hp for less than $40K. Look at the other Chrysler products that have the 425HP HEMI (300 SRT8, Charger SRT8, Jeep Cherokee SRT8 and Magnum SRT8) they are all over $40K out the door.

I was trying to hold out for a new Camaro, but the current state of our beaters made me decide to buy this year (not that I'm complaining!).

Here's a pic of my husband (years ago) with his 79 Trans Am 400 small block, solid cam, solid lifters, 411 rear, 400 turbo trans, & stall speed torque converter.

:ylsuper:

I know if we had the opportunity to buy a car like this in the near future, we would take it....

My first car was going to be a 4 spd 1978 t/a with bandit decalts (not bandit edition) and t-tops in great condition for 12.5 ...God it was beautiful!!!! but i emailed the guy from his hours and told him i would come see it on a sat (he is in ohio...im in NJ) and the next day, it became 18.5k....that asshole :spank:

They should have called this Challenger the Charger. It looks a lot more like the General Lee than the Charger does. I don't think the styling looks too bad, but just by looking at the pics it does look like it is really heavy. That's why I stick to foreign cars. They seem to care a little more about finesse than raw power in their designs and performance. I'll just wait for the MS8.

My first car was going to be a 4 spd 1978 t/a with bandit decalts (not bandit edition) and t-tops in great condition for 12.5 ...God it was beautiful!!!! but i emailed the guy from his hours and told him i would come see it on a sat (he is in ohio...im in NJ) and the next day, it became 18.5k....that asshole :spank:


The Bandit edition is on my all-time favorite cars list. I WILL have one in my lifetime.

The Bandit edition is on my all-time favorite cars list. I WILL have one in my lifetime.
Ur better or with a 78 or 77 cuz they were faster and better than the bandit and you can always get them with bandit decals...unless ur goin just for the bandit edition....and yes they kick ass!!

Ur better or with a 78 or 77 cuz they were faster and better than the bandit and you can always get them with bandit decals...unless ur goin just for the bandit edition....and yes they kick ass!!

True....but if I ever do acquire one of these, I would keep it forever hoping the value appreciates into that relm of unbelieveable $$$. For that it would have to be a true Bandit Edition. By the way, since your the Transam kid, do you know how many Bandit Editions were sold? I am really interested in getting one in the next few years.

I don't know if you saw that commercial (I think it was last years Super Bowl, don't remember what the commerical was for) but Burt was driving a Bandit Edition that looked brand new......it was the blackest paint I've ever seen. I must have backed up the TiVo like 50 times to see that car.

it may not have been bandit edition...there are so many 2nd gens with those paint jobs...personally...my fave 2nd gen in a 76 w/the 455 that does 0-60 in 5.7 STOCK...but gets 7 miles to the gallon lol...ill go check....1 sec

and no i ddnt see that comercial...i think i should though:)

btw....link to thread i made...sign up to view it
http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=333780

it may not have been bandit edition...there are so many 2nd gens with those paint jobs...personally...my fave 2nd gen in a 76 w/the 455 that does 0-60 in 5.7 STOCK...but gets 7 miles to the gallon lol...ill go check....1 sec

and no i ddnt see that comercial...i think i should though:)

btw....link to thread i made...sign up to view it
http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=333780


It might not have been....but since Burt was driving, I thought that maybe it was. Damn I wish I could remember what that commerical was for. I am going to google the Super Bowl commericals for last year....I'll see if I can find a clip.

That '76 sounds nice. I like the '74 TransAm's a lot also.

Well, technically the answer is "0" because there really was not a model called a "Bandit Edition", it was a "special edition" model, but wasn't specifically called a "Bandit".

Production in 10s of thousands, they were fairly common. How many circulating, who freakin knows. "Decent" condition is subjective, so I'll say anything from $500 to $20,000.

Well, technically the answer is "0" because there really was not a model called a "Bandit Edition", it was a "special edition" model, but wasn't specifically called a "Bandit".

Production in 10s of thousands, they were fairly common. How many circulating, who freakin knows. "Decent" condition is subjective, so I'll say anything from $500 to $20,000.

Special Edition!! was that name only used for Bandit look-alikes or other colors and trim? 10's of thousands...I was hoping they were numbered cars like my Contour SVT was :( But your right, getting one in decent condition is the key. I know that up here in Michigan, most have frame rot and need a lot of work.

Thanks for the info.

Rare are the mid 90's raptors...not many super rare t/a's....some early 2nd gens can be valuable...ive seen late 2nds go for 30k in IMACULATE condition

EDIT: Firehawks, raptor is the hood that it has