First, let me say that I will still take mine when it arrives in a few weeks...it's "on the water" as of two weeks ago.

But, I saw my first two this am at my dealer and make these observations.
There is nothing fake about my Miata. Sure it is "styled", but there are no fake vents, etc. The RX-8 has two unnecessary fake things IMHO. The fender vents are not vents, just plastic add-ons. The rear "diffuser"? is also fake...just solid with no holes other than the hole for the tie-down (which will be plugged).

Mine will have the GT package as did the two I saw. My other problem concerns the front passenger seat. It is not power and it does not have the lumbar support. Again, IMHO, any GT package should assume at least one passenger. The seat is heated, but the other comfort items are absent. It couldn't have been that much of a problem/cost since the Euro right-side seats will have it. I would've coughed up another $150-200 to have made my wife a little more comfortable.

That said, it really is a piece of work and I'll be delighted when I get mine!;)

I thought those vents are for the oil cooler(s). Thats what they are for in the FD.

My wife immediately brought up the cheapened seat to me. Sadly it is common, even in 'expensive', 'luxury' cars too that cost way more. Let's hope the weight saving makes it go faster, at least! I don't know how to fix it as Mazda doesn't even give us the option (How about it Mazda - are you listening?) Wifes and husbands, and friends everywhere write to Mazda! :mad:

I have to say that I don't care that much about my passengers. I mean its MY car. Oh and did I mention that I am single!

You have to realize that this is a sports car first and a luxury car second. For this reason you won't find all the comforts of a luxury car in the RX8.

Sure some of the amenities would be nice, but aren't necessary in a sports car which is what the RX8 is.

Originally posted by RotorBoy
I have to say that I don't care that much about my passengers. I mean its MY car. Oh and did I mention that I am single!

Hmmm, could it be that you're single because you don't care about your passengers??? :p j/k

Nope... I am single because I want to be!

:D

Originally posted by TybeeRX-8
First, let me say that I will still take mine when it arrives in a few weeks...it's "on the water" as of two weeks ago.

But, I saw my first two this am at my dealer and make these observations.
There is nothing fake about my Miata. Sure it is "styled", but there are no fake vents, etc. The RX-8 has two unnecessary fake things IMHO. The fender vents are not vents, just plastic add-ons. The rear "diffuser"? is also fake...just solid with no holes other than the hole for the tie-down (which will be plugged).

Mine will have the GT package as did the two I saw. My other problem concerns the front passenger seat. It is not power and it does not have the lumbar support. Again, IMHO, any GT package should assume at least one passenger. The seat is heated, but the other comfort items are absent. It couldn't have been that much of a problem/cost since the Euro right-side seats will have it. I would've coughed up another $150-200 to have made my wife a little more comfortable.

That said, it really is a piece of work and I'll be delighted when I get mine!;)
well the vents do work u know when the cold air goes through the eninge bay it cools the motor and exits through the vents why i know this is beaciuse after my test drive i put my hand near the vents and felt the hot air exiting the vents and yes it is true that the rear difusser is fake to bad it isnt real. Also one more thing the mazda rep even said so thats why the vents were put there. to let hot air escape.

Originally posted by cueball1029
You have to realize that this is a sports car first and a luxury car second. For this reason you won't find all the comforts of a luxury car in the RX8.

Sure some of the amenities would be nice, but aren't necessary in a sports car which is what the RX8 is.

Perhaps you missed the part about me owning a Miata? I know what a sports car is and isn't. But when you add a "Grand Touring" package, there are certain expectations for long term/trip driving comfort. Those are addressed for the driver, but not the front seat passenger, even though they elected to add a heated seat! The point is, they went part way. Why not all the way. Mazda went to the trouble to add fake vents! Why not add something that performs a function? MNAO are you listening?

Originally posted by eclps0

well the vents do work u know when the cold air goes through the eninge bay it cools the motor and exits through the vents why i know this is beaciuse after my test drive i put my hand near the vents and felt the hot air exiting the vents and yes it is true that the rear difusser is fake to bad it isnt real. Also one more thing the mazda rep even said so thats why the vents were put there. to let hot air escape.

Well, your still 19 and don't know s--t. There were no holes in the fender vents of the the two 8s I saw. I don't suspect you'll be an owner either.

Originally posted by TybeeRX-8


Well, your still 19 and don't know s--t. There were no holes in the fender vents of the the two 8s I saw. I don't suspect you'll be an owner either.

Ouch, was that really neccessary? At least he acts his age... :(

Originally posted by TybeeRX-8


Well, your still 19 and don't know s--t. There were no holes in the fender vents of the the two 8s I saw. I don't suspect you'll be an owner either.

Wow, nice attitude.
Are you sure it's not for the oil cooler(s)?

Originally posted by TybeeRX-8


Well, your still 19 and don't know s--t. There were no holes in the fender vents of the the two 8s I saw. I don't suspect you'll be an owner either.
lol very funny yeah im 19 so i dont know S--T whoo u real big now. well first my rx8 is comming in about 2-4 weeks and i saw the car 4 times and even talked to the mazda rep. Also why is my age have to be mentioned here we are talking about fake vents well what you think are fake vents, and im not one thast say ohh "your are 19 u dont know s--t". . man act your age .

If you read the previous posts, the vents are not fake. On the FD they had no use (although I plumbed an exhaust duct on the right side to help cool the turbos).

I don't think Mazda went 1/2 way at all. Forget the naming of GT, it's a light-weight sports vehicle and IMO, that's why there's no passenger power seat (along with cost savings). Another example is the seat belt system, I thought the floor rail concept of the front seat belt was a cheesy solution for rear door ingress. But then I realised how much more weight a full shoulder and lap belt integrated into the seat (a la 500 SL Mercedes) would have added and now engineering behind it can be appreciated.

There's still manual adjustments on the passenger seat no? So what's the big deal? Given the performance and engineering of this packages, the price is a great deal (at least in Canadaian dollars it is).

BTW, I'm happily married.

wwwwaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!! Please take your car back you obviously dont want it.

Something like this maybe?
http://www.rx7.net.nz/oilvent.JPG

Originally posted by FritzMan
If you read the previous posts, the vents are not fake. On the FD they had no use (although I plumbed an exhaust duct on the right side to help cool the turbos).

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They were functional in the FD. If it was an R1 model, they both vent hot air from the the oil coolers. If it's was a base or touring, the left (driver) side is functional.

i can care less if people tell me to act my age. I really think i act older but ohh well i guess there some people that are mad at the world and love to take it out on people that didnt even do a thing wrong ohh well i can care less what people say.

Now on another note
FritzMan you are right about the fd with the fake looking vents that worked just like the new 8 i dont think mazda wants to screw anything up with this car.

I stand corrected then! I had a base though, so the passenger's side (the only side I investigated) was eventually put to better use.

Originally posted by eclps0


Now on another note
FritzMan you are right about the fd with the fake looking vents that worked just like the new 8 i dont think mazda wants to screw anything up with this car.

They are functional. Check my posts above.
The FD is a pure sports car. Most if not all of its designs are functional.

Originally posted by FritzMan
I stand corrected then! I had a base though, so the passenger's side (the only side I investigated) was eventually put to better use.

Some people use it as a fresh air duct for the intake.

I ran a 3" aluminum heater duct from underneith the ABS circuitry to that vent. It worked well, I could feel heat coming out while parked with the fans on. Could have been even more effective at speed.

Ok. I stand properly admonished (you do know what that means?).
But, maybe I didn't look close enough (3-4" away) and I just didn't see any holes in the side vents...particularly the driver's side; assumed the same was the case for the right side. And, as for the rear diffuser, I got on the ground under Rotorboy's car (before he got it) to check out the muffler...which runs the full length of the trunk space...because another post talked about not putting cold stuff in the trunk because of the heat from the muffler...which I suspect is an accurate piece of advice.
Do I still like the car? You bet. It's not perfect, but it is a neat set of wheels.

the car comes with dual oil coolers...hence the need for the vents

Originally posted by TybeeRX-8
Ok. I stand properly admonished (you do know what that means?).

Actually, the proper term in this case would have been rebutted or rebuked, since admonished is to be reminded of something forgotten or to caution. BTW, I'm 24 since you seem to be stuck on age...

Originally posted by RotorMotor


Actually, the proper term in this case would have been rebutted or rebuked, since admonished is to be reminded of something forgotten or to caution. BTW, I'm 24 since you seem to be stuck on age...

Nah, I think he means he got OWNED! LOL! :D

Boy has this thread turned into a flamefest! Mods, please move it to the Lounge forum!

Originally posted by jtimbck2
Boy has this thread turned into a flamefest! Mods, please move it to the Lounge forum!

I thought my posts were educational.

I thought my posts were educational.

Me too.

Nah, I think he means he got OWNED! LOL!

Twice in one thread. Ouch .

Eh, they look functional to me. I still haven't been able to confirm this, but I think I remember reading (and by looking at the pictures of the engine) that this was a dry sump system, but I could be wrong..

http://media.mazda.ch/dossiers/RX-8/images/high/rx-8_35.jpg

http://media.mazda.ch/dossiers/RX-8/images/high/design04.jpg

Originally posted by jtimbck2
Boy has this thread turned into a flamefest! Mods, please move it to the Lounge forum!

You're right and I apologize for my behavior. I just can't stand to watch people get belittled for no reason whatsoever, especially when the person doing the belittling is grossly misinformed. I should've let the mods handle it...

It seems we all need to grow up a little. If you like the car; buy it. If you don't; don't buy it. Sure it's not perfect, but then no car will ever be. I think a change of attitude though can go a long way towards making the car more "perfect". I feel the car is perfect for me and I enjoy every aspect of it. The little quirks it has just makes it more unique. Ahhhh, some people will never be satisfied.

Originally posted by mantisflie
It seems we all need to grow up a little. If you like the car; buy it. If you don't; don't buy it. Sure it's not perfect, but then no car will ever be. I think a change of attitude though can go a long way towards making the car more "perfect". I feel the car is perfect for me and I enjoy every aspect of it. The little quirks it has just makes it more unique. Ahhhh, some people will never be satisfied.

I think the good outweights the bad in the 8.

Originally posted by RotorMotor


You're right and I apologize for my behavior. I just can't stand to watch people get belittled for no reason whatsoever, especially when the person doing the belittling is grossly misinformed. I should've let the mods handle it...

naw, i don't think you need to apologize for anything as you were just correcting someone that doesn't know his own terminology because you DO know what "admonished" means...

TybeeRX-8, you base your knowledge on what is and isn't a sports car on owning a Miata alone? i'm sure it's a fun little car but have you owned a sports car that had at least 200hp?

the car comes with dual oil coolers...hence the need for the vents

The Grand Touring package has always been listed with only the driver's seat having power. Shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone in the pre-order program.

Wow you can really see the gold flakes in that first picture! But not in the second, what's up with that?

Originally posted by neit_jnf
Wow you can really see the gold flakes in that first picture! But not in the second, what's up with that?

the first picture seems like an undoctored photograph, hence the cobblestone driveway it's on...the second is perhaps a Photoshopped image

Originally posted by neit_jnf
Wow you can really see the gold flakes in that first picture! But not in the second, what's up with that?

I'm pretty sure that the second picture has been photoshopped for press release, whereas the first picture is probably un-molested.

more here:

http://media.mazda.ch/dossiers/RX-8/Photo-RX8-D.htm

Originally posted by neit_jnf
Wow you can really see the gold flakes in that first picture! But not in the second, what's up with that?

The second image has been compressed to death and the resolution is so screwed that anything as small as a mica dot has blended into the red. Note the heavy moire patterning, this is a jpg too far!

Well, I don't feel "owned", "rebutted", etc. I started this thread as "Picky". That was meant to mean small nits that I found on inspection of the car. I was aware that the passenger seat wasn't powered, but I didn't know it did not have the lumbar adjustment.

I've seen lots of comment re the vents, but it is unclear if they are from anyone who owns one yet. maybe Rotorboy (who I know has his now) can enlighten me. It was his car I saw.

I don't know about the oil cooler(s) or a dry sump oil system. Just never seen it mentioned anywhere...brochures, MadzaUSA, the "Book", etc. I do know the oil filter is on top (under the plastic cover), but that's it.

As for the comment about owning a sports car and the Miata, of which I've had two, I started out with an MGB (horrible little car), several VWs (including a Formula V many years ago), two BMWs (sports sedans), five different Benzes (including an SLK, CLK 430). I autox my car and will do so with the RX8. And I do volunteer work for SCCA. So, I think my experience more than qualifies me to comment.

On another note, the cars I saw did not have the spare tire kit (which I didn't get either), but they do come with jacks and a complete set of towing/tie down rings! These are all neatly arranged in the trunk.:D

Originally posted by RotorBoy
Nope... I am single because I want to be!

:D
Yea, yea, that's what we all said when we were single.

lol

crap, i dont know what car to get...
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Originally posted by P00Man
lol

crap, i dont know what car to get...

Get the car that makes you smile.

Originally posted by TybeeRX-8
I've seen lots of comment re the vents, but it is unclear if they are from anyone who owns one yet.
How about this? In "The Book" sent to us, in the Exterior and Aerodynamics section on page 55 you will find the following words captioning a closeup of the vent behind the front left wheel:
"All ducts and opening[s] are functional."

The book's not exactly an owner, but seems authoritative on the subject. It certainly corroborates actual owner's statements found elsewhere in these forums that these vents really vent heat from the engine compartment.

THANKYOU jdl,all ducts and vents are functional.its in the book and on the mazda site (3d tour i think)jeeeezzzzzz.

It's also spelled out in great detail in the presskit. And that was 7 months ago!

I always wondered how exactly I would know where the fender strakes go, but as you can see from the first un-doctored picture there are 2 breaks in the functional part of the vent. I pick up my car at 9:30am tomorrow and I can't wait to play!!!!

Originally posted by mantisflie
It seems we all need to grow up a little. If you like the car; buy it. If you don't; don't buy it. Sure it's not perfect, but then no car will ever be. I think a change of attitude though can go a long way towards making the car more "perfect". I feel the car is perfect for me and I enjoy every aspect of it. The little quirks it has just makes it more unique. Ahhhh, some people will never be satisfied. How come whenever I read one of your posts, your voice sounds in my mind like that sidekick of Spaceghost?:D
[arms raised in defense from imminent comeback...errr]

LOL, yeah, that's good. I had a good laugh with that. Arms raised in defense?? You think poor little 'ol me would lash out in defense?! I actually thought most of my posts were lame questions and crap... :) You got to admit though, the Mantis on that cartoon is the Man!! er,.. Mantis, or MantisMan.... whatever. I do tend to agree with many of his thoughts. The world would be perfect and blissful.... if there wasn't any humans. :D

Well, I went back to the "Book" and I guess I just didn't look close enough at the vents...just at the top end. So, I now know they actually work. Great for Mazda!!!
And now I know about the dual oil coolers, but I think they are in the front...maybe behind the fog light air intakes? Someone mentioned a "dry sump", but the book says "wet sump".

Still would've liked the passenger seat to have had a lumbar support...my wife will no doubt give me some grief over that omission. The only reason I got leather was because she wanted seat heaters! WE live at the beach!!!!:cool:

Originally posted by Spin9k
My wife immediately brought up the cheapened seat to me. Sadly it is common, even in 'expensive', 'luxury' cars too that cost way more This is very true. Even in luxury cars it's not uncommon for the driver's seat to be 42-way adjustable with lumbar and memory while the passenger seat has a control for seatback tilt...