Took my car to the dealer for oil and filter change. I asked them to give me the N flash. As I was reviewing the bill there was no mention of ECU upgrades. I asked the service mgr and he told me he couldn't do it because he didn't have the flash yet. When I asked him to get it he said as soon as an RX8 owner comes in with a complaint that is addressed by the flash he could do a RO for it. Once the 1st 8 owner has it done at the dealer for a legitimate performance issue, he could then do it for anyone else if they request it.

So what is the "problem" that the N flash is supposed to correct?

Thanks!

Wow, you'd think Mazda charges them some rediculous fee to download the latest software to their shop equipment. That can't be right, can it?

Come down to Olympia - my tech said he could do it in 15 minutes. Which dealer was this?

Ummm, if you have your car in for ANY service, it's supposed to be flashed. That's what Lee Johnson's service mgr said, any way.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the "N"-flash still falls under the MSP04 campaign. M-flash was the first flash released under this campaign, so I imagine that if you've got a fully functioning M-flash (ie. no problems), they won't flash you with the N.

unless of course your car suddenly starts "running rough"....but only intermitently....on every other Tuesday morning ...wink wink nudge nudge say no more...... or....change service agent

Come down to Olympia - my tech said he could do it in 15 minutes. Which dealer was this?

I took it to Parr Ford/Mazda in Bremerton, same place as always. . . When I asked why I didn't have to ask for the M flash which they did at my last oil change it was because another owner had already had it done to correct his "problem", so they could automatically provide the upgrade to subsequent customers.

Nemesis, I finally got my CZ unit and Harrison CANscan. Would like to meet up one weekend with you and dmp if he's available to discuss tuning or perhaps a dyno pull. I could probably hit another dealer for the N flash in Tacoma or near you

. . .and I even told my guy that it was "Flash Friday" and he had to hook me up. He still declined. . .apparently not a fan of Tom Leykis :D

N flash is a placebo.... It does nothing.

It's only there to fix a small bunch of buggy M flashes some dealers had installed.

buggy M flashes? There is a checksum that is ran when you flash. No such thing as a small buch of buggy M flashes. Just not possible. All M flashes would be the same. If there is a problem with the flash, you can always re-flash the M, no need for a different flash.

I complained of hard starts and poor fuel mileage, and I got it. I don't know if it was due to the flash, or just because my car has more miles on it and better fuel economy (only about 4,000 miles), but it seems to have improved my from about 15.5 mpg to about 18.2 mpg.

N flash is a placebo.... It does nothing.

It's only there to fix a small bunch of buggy M flashes some dealers had installed.


you're dumb.


on topic: i love my N flash. To get the N flash i had to bring in papers showing it existed and such. If you're not under warenty, they charge 20 bucks..wtf...but i love my N. lol

N flash is a placebo.... It does nothing.

It's only there to fix a small bunch of buggy M flashes some dealers had installed.

who told you that?

who told you that?

I'm guessing Morgan isn't the guilty party...

I'm guessing Morgan isn't the guilty party...

haha, that would be correct...the guy was HIGHLY mis-informed

I hope Razz was just being sarcastic. If the N Flash didn't do anything, why would there be a thread on N Flash (with 8+ pages) and how it's doing crazy stuff to the AFR, mileage, etc?

cause he has no idea what he was talking about...

i got the M flash then i just took it in and got the N flash. i had no problems at all.

tell them you had "hard starts" always works :D

I have been trying to get N flash but they keep saying its not available for my car......they said its not available to all rx8's

i got the M flash then i just took it in and got the N flash. i had no problems at all.


Ok so you went to Congressional Mazda? I have been trying pissing me off and they cant tell me what flash I have since they never put a sticker under the hood last time.

What's everyones build date?

yeah i just took it in basically and said i have hard starts sometimes and they said ok and did it at congressional mazda. i never had any problems there at all, as in terms as in needing to get something done. the only thing i wondar about is y my brakes are still making noise after going in for it 2 times already. im taking it in again on monday. also my engine coolant light came on maybe 2weeks after they serviced it? i thought they do a check for the levels on all that stuff but i guess not. besides that i think the place is ALOT better then the service at Darcars near cherry hill road.

okay. i talked to the tech at mazda in brownings mazda. "alex" he is a close guy who comes to our meets in cali. he has told me that there is no difference in M to N. the N flash is just an update with all the files. it has no difference. only "if" they have the old pcm flash from L to N then yes. it will have improvements.

okay. i talked to the tech at mazda in brownings mazda. "alex" he is a close guy who comes to our meets in cali. he has told me that there is no difference in M to N. the N flash is just an update with all the files. it has no difference. only "if" they have the old pcm flash from L to N then yes. it will have improvements.

I went form M to N.

-Idle dropped from ~950 to ~750
-Idle is smoother
-Gas mileage has gone down slightly
-These are not "butt-dyno" observations

-Acceleration seems smoother through the lower RPM's
-Shifter vibration has been lessened
-Car seems a bit more responsive
-These ARE "butt-dyno" observations

So, something has "happened" to the car, especially considering the idle and gas mileage changes. The rest is subjective. Believe me, the people I take my car to would not lift a finger to do anything else to it except what was on a work order. Crap, if they saw a loose spark plug wire, they wouldn't touch it unless Mazda reimbursed them for it. :mad:

tell them you had "hard starts" always works :D


As long as you say Hard Start and not Cold Start because the 8's computer will make a liar out of you if you do... It keeps a log.

Okay, I just bought my car. MT with a K&N intake, and RB exhaust (I think), Mazdaspeed body kit. Should I be worried about taking it in for the flash with the intake and exhaust? I need to get the brakes done and I have no idea what flash the car has in it. I am thinking I will just take it in and get the 30K service and tell the about hard starts in the morning and have them check what flash I have. I am just worried about what they will say?

Okay, I just bought my car. MT with a K&N intake, and RB exhaust (I think), Mazdaspeed body kit. Should I be worried about taking it in for the flash with the intake and exhaust? I need to get the brakes done and I have no idea what flash the car has in it. I am thinking I will just take it in and get the 30K service and tell the about hard starts in the morning and have them check what flash I have. I am just worried about what they will say?
you should have a sticker on the side on ur side when u open. or on the side of ur hood when u pop it open. but if ur car was made in the 04 model. im sure its the "m" flash. u shouldnt be worried. but get the "n" like everyone has just cause.