View Full Version : HP/Torque curve super-imposed


Grimace
09-05-2002, 05:26 PM
Warning! Bored engineer at work! ;)

I super-imposed the HP/Torque curves. The torque curve is from http://media.mazda.ch. The horsepower curve is from calculation.

This isn't meant to take anything away from Spanish or Stan, but I prefer seeing the curves on 1 graph.

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=6261

wakeech
09-05-2002, 05:36 PM
wow... pretty.
thanks grims!! you're an engineer??

oh, btw!! i'm stoked that the torque is so high at 1k RPM!! wow... it's 1.3L friends, 1.3 L... wow.

zoom44
09-05-2002, 06:44 PM
i know what you mean wakeech! 1.3L! every time i tell someone new that it is only 1.3L they think i'm joking. they won't believe me until i show them the specs from mazda:D

Quick_lude
09-05-2002, 06:45 PM
These are flywheel numbers right? Love that flat torque curve..

Grimace
09-05-2002, 07:46 PM
Yeah, those are flywheel numbers (at least I'm 99.9% sure they are, it doesn't specifically mention whether they are or not on the site I quoted above).

Yep, I'm an engineer (mechanical). Just graduated.

stan11003
09-05-2002, 09:38 PM
Keep hacking dude, your next assignment make us a 3d model of the interior!! Just kiding very nice graph

Sputnik
09-06-2002, 10:35 AM
Couldja redo it so that the HP and torque numbers are on the same scale?

---jps

babylou
09-06-2002, 01:22 PM
Power (hp) = Torque (lb-ft) X Speed (rpm) / 5252. Therefore the power and torque curves must intersect at 5252 rpm. What's up wtih this curve?:confused:

Well now I see what's up with the curve. The power and torque scales are different so the intersection point is moot.:o

PatrickB
09-06-2002, 03:10 PM
Okay, I've attached one I made with power and torque on the same scale.

veloceracing
09-07-2002, 01:35 PM
very cool
that right there is what will beat an S2K, pull in every gear...although not that much.

Sputnik
09-08-2002, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by babylou
...Well now I see what's up with the curve. The power and torque scales are different so the intersection point is moot.:o Yeah. I normally like to see them at the same scale, so that I can compare them to others a little easier. But that's a personal thing...

Thanks PatrickB!

---jps

IKnowNot'ing
06-21-2004, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by Grimace
Warning! Bored engineer at work! ;)

I super-imposed the HP/Torque curves. The torque curve is from http://media.mazda.ch. The horsepower curve is from calculation.

This isn't meant to take anything away from Spanish or Stan, but I prefer seeing the curves on 1 graph.

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=6261

I just had a look at the torque / power curves on that swiss website and something is definitely wrong with them.
Indeed, if you superimpose them, on the complete RPM range, the 'Hi Power' power curve is always higher than the 'Std Power' curve.
This cannot be right as, if one superimposes the torque curves, it clearly shows that, in some points in the RPM range, they cut each other. At these points, the power rating should be equal for both engine versions (since P=TxN).

So I know the power curves are wrong. Can I therefore trust the torque curves ?

RobDickinson
06-21-2004, 05:41 AM
Is the data from mazda media .ch?

If so why should we believe it. That graph is plotting almost 250bhp, even mazda dont say that anymore apart from .jp

IKnowNot'ing
06-21-2004, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by RobDickinson
Is the data from mazda media .ch?

If so why should we believe it. That graph is plotting almost 250bhp, even mazda dont say that anymore apart from .jp

Yes it comes from media.ch.
No it says 170 kW (231ps).

Does anyone has a reliable source for actual flywheel (ISO 1585)torque curve for the std power and high power Renesis? I need it to correct and verify a computer model (built on MS Excell) that I'm starting to work on in order to check different ways to improve WOT performances.

BasenjiGuy
06-21-2004, 07:18 AM
Not to be a party pooper, but, which PCM flash are these data derived from? ;)

IKnowNot'ing
06-21-2004, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by BasenjiGuy
Not to be a party pooper, but, which PCM flash are these data derived from? ;)

>>>>>>>>>>> This is a joke, right?

8_is_enuf
06-21-2004, 08:04 AM
You guys laugh.. But that is the car in stock form with the new "N" flash.

wakeech
06-21-2004, 09:54 AM
...just so everyone understands: no it isn't.