i got this email from a local mazda dealer. i think it was a response to my email which i sent to mazdausa.com about 3 weeks ago asking if i could be able to put a deposit on a rx-8.

"Johnny,

the waiting list for the 2003 RX-8 is about 15 people long right now. i should start to see them in May or June, we hope. figure cost is at $5000 over MSRP.

let me know and i will get you on the list.

thanks,

Greg Foster
Fleet Dept.
Irvine Mazda, Olds, GMC ( The Big Store )
949-583-9900 xt: 260
Fax: 949-770-5116
fleet3@thebigstor.com
cell: 949-466-2116

* Weekends by appointment only!!!"


now this is pretty interesting cuz when i put my deposit down on 8-19-02, the guy said i was the first one.

also im not liking the may/june arrival either!!:mad: :mad:

If I were you, I would be more "not liking" the $5000 over MSRP more than the arrival date ;)

Tell that dealership to shove it, and go somewhere else.

Yea I'm sure you can find a dealer that will just tell you no more than MSRP.

Just a pain in the ass otherwise.

i just got a reply. i replied to the first email saying it was interesting that when i put down my deposit, i was the first one and now theres 15 plp on the list. and i also asked "since I already have a deposit down on the RX-8, I would be able to buy it at MSRP right? I wouldn't have to pay the $5000 markup right?"
heres the response

"well, Mr. Bob Dole, if that is what you would like me to call you!

let me start with this, when you are dealing with a retail dept, you
are
ALWAYS the first one ( just as a heads up ).

now i was told on the 29th that the list was about 15 people long and i
was
required to get $5000 over window for the car as of now, but we do not
know
what the market is going to be like when that car arrives in the show
rooms.
if it is a car that i can sell less then MSRP i have no problem with
that,
but i am not the one who decides that. if some one told you could buy
it at
MSRP perfect let me know who told you that so i can verify it so i do
not
over quote people like i did with you. let me know if i am wrong and
if
so, i'm sorry. i do not work in the retail dept, so i do not know what
they
are doing on the cars, and from what i was just told, there are no
deposits
on the cars yet, just names and information.

now stop with the bob dole stuff...

thanks,

Greg"


1. i dont understand this line "well, Mr. Bob Dole, if that is what you would like me to call you".

2. he says "from what i was just told, there are no
deposits on the cars yet, just names and information" but prevously he had said "now i was told on the 29th that the list was about 15 people long and i", is that just a waiting list without deposits? if so whats the point of me having a deposit?

3. "now stop with the bob dole stuff...", whats that mean? the name on my email account is bob dole but i dont understand what he means.

Lol.. Is that your real name? He thinks you are using an alias.. :D

Originally posted by Quick_lude
Lol.. Is that your real name? He thinks you are using an alias.. :D

no its the name on my email account

If I were you, I'd let that guy, and that dealership, have it. Talk about being rude! And pardon me, but screw the $5,000 over MSRP. Are they insane? There's ALWAYS someone willing to sell you for just at or under MSRP, no matter WHAT the car is.

This just sounds like a typical car dealer, trying to rip you off for as much money as possible. I really hope that you will find somewhere else to go. Also, get your deposit back ASAP. And if they won't give it to you, file a complaint and send these emails, and proof of your deposit, to the BBB, carbon copied to Irvine, and watch what happens.

And I don't quite get the "Bob Dole" thing, but that certainly doesn't give him the right to comment on it unless you originally told him your name was Bob Dole and tried to keep the charade up. I really, really, dislike car dealers.

yea i think im getting shafted here. i might have to call around other dealers and see whats going on. how should i reply to that email? what should i write?

anybody? help plz

Unfortunately, if you don't have anything in writing from when you put down the deposit, there's not a whole lot you can do. If you have something in writing, then I'd send a photocopy of your agreement and a copy of the e-mail correspondance to the sales manager with a letter clearly explaining what you want done.

Please don't take this wrong way, I don't mean any offense. What was the e-mail that you sent initially? Car salespeople make their money from selling cars, plain and simple. If they get the impression that you're not really going to buy a car, they're not going to give you much of their time, and might be rude while doing it. In most of your posts here you've generally used poor grammar and spelling, and if you write the same way in your correspondance with the dealer, they might think that you're just a kid that isn't really going to buy a car. The fact that you've got an e-mail address that has a famous person's name (leading someone to suspect that it might not be your name) might add to their skepticism. Again, I don't really care too much how you choose to write on here, that's not my place to judge. I'm just trying to point out what *might* have happened, and what *might* have caused them to treat you rudely. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just that it might have happened.

So what should you do? I'd stop with the e-mail correspondance and head down to the dealership. Find the person you gave your deposit to, and ask to see the list. Don't let them "go in back and check". You might want to ask to see the retail sales manager first, actually. Explain that you put down a deposit a long time ago, and were told you were first on the list. Say that after the rude e-mail you recieved that said that you were not first on the list, you want to see for yourself. If they won't show you the list, tell them that you want something in writing that says that you are first on the list, and that you will get it at MSRP. Without something in writing, you have absolutely no standing, so I'd make my goal of the trip to get it in writing.

Just one person's opinion.

Originally posted by Rich
Unfortunately, if you don't have anything in writing from when you put down the deposit, there's not a whole lot you can do. If you have something in writing, then I'd send a photocopy of your agreement and a copy of the e-mail correspondance to the sales manager with a letter clearly explaining what you want done.

Please don't take this wrong way, I don't mean any offense. What was the e-mail that you sent initially? Car salespeople make their money from selling cars, plain and simple. If they get the impression that you're not really going to buy a car, they're not going to give you much of their time, and might be rude while doing it. In most of your posts here you've generally used poor grammar and spelling, and if you write the same way in your correspondance with the dealer, they might think that you're just a kid that isn't really going to buy a car. The fact that you've got an e-mail address that has a famous person's name (leading someone to suspect that it might not be your name) might add to their skepticism. Again, I don't really care too much how you choose to write on here, that's not my place to judge. I'm just trying to point out what *might* have happened, and what *might* have caused them to treat you rudely. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just that it might have happened.

So what should you do? I'd stop with the e-mail correspondance and head down to the dealership. Find the person you gave your deposit to, and ask to see the list. Don't let them "go in back and check". You might want to ask to see the retail sales manager first, actually. Explain that you put down a deposit a long time ago, and were told you were first on the list. Say that after the rude e-mail you recieved that said that you were not first on the list, you want to see for yourself. If they won't show you the list, tell them that you want something in writing that says that you are first on the list, and that you will get it at MSRP. Without something in writing, you have absolutely no standing, so I'd make my goal of the trip to get it in writing.

Just one person's opinion.

yea no offense taken. when i wrote the email, i used correct grammar and punctiation. i basically just said that i had already put down a deposit and that they told me i was the first guy.

yea i think im gonna head down to the dealer and straighten this out. this just isnt right. so i should tell them to put it down in writing that when it comes out, i will get it for msrp and that the 500 will be put towards the price of the car. god i hate car dealers or should i say stealers

What terms did you agree to when you placed a deposit? Did you place a deposit to be first on the list or did you put a deposit to buy one for MSRP? It sounds more like the former than the latter.

It sounds like you're getting shafted here. I don't see the benefit of placing a deposit just to be on a list, with no pre-arranged price. You're going to be put on a list and when the car arrives, they'll call up each person on the list, ask them if they're willing to pay their asking price (above MSRP surely) and if they refuse, the dealer will just proceed to the next person on the list.

I'd find a different dealer if I were you. A few people here have placed deposits on the car, set at MSRP. Make sure you agree to a set price, otherwise the dealer will just start making up numbers.

Originally posted by Pork Chop
What terms did you agree to when you placed a deposit? Did you place a deposit to be first on the list or did you put a deposit to buy one for MSRP? It sounds more like the former than the latter.

It sounds like you're getting shafted here. I don't see the benefit of placing a deposit just to be on a list, with no pre-arranged price. You're going to be put on a list and when the car arrives, they'll call up each person on the list, ask them if they're willing to pay their asking price (above MSRP surely) and if they refuse, the dealer will just proceed to the next person on the list.

I'd find a different dealer if I were you. A few people here have placed deposits on the car, set at MSRP. Make sure you agree to a set price, otherwise the dealer will just start making up numbers.

when i first placed the deposit, i just wanted to be able to get one when it came out cuz i thought it be sold out right away. but now i find out that u guys who already have deposits have the right to buy the car at msrp when it comes out.

hey wassup man.. i am in the irvine area and was thinking about contacting some dealers like irvine for desposits on the car... did you get any info from irvine like when the car is coming, when the specs are coming out, when you can choose the options and how many rx-8's they will be getting?? just wanted to know cuz i was plannin gon calling irvine mazda soon and dont want to get the run around and bull$hit... there are not too many mazda dealers here but i think there will be some to sell at MSRP... any info will help.. thanks.

danielk015, run like crazy if the dealer tells you anything firm about when it will arrive, when you can choose options, or anything else. Every few days someone comes on here and posts, "My dealer said ______!", and it's always different. They're making stuff up at this point, unless Mazda is intentionally telling each dealer something totally different on purpose. Good luck, and come back to tell us what they say, nonetheless! More information, even if it's wrong, is always welcome.

Hi all,

I have posted this info elsewhere, and will put it here again FYI. :)

There are TWO dealers in Minnesota that are sponsors of the Northstar Rotary Rockets. Both are taking deposits, and ensuring IN WRITING that you will pay no more than MSRP. Morrie's Mazda in Minnetonka (http://www.northstarrotaries.com/vendors/vendor.asp?vendorid=7) and Walser Mazda in Burnsville (http://www.northstarrotaries.com/vendors/vendor.asp?vendorid=134). You can also try Morrie's Mazda in Chippewa Falls, WI (http://www.northstarrotaries.com/vendors/vendor.asp?vendorid=133).

Now before you say "But I live in (insert your non MN or WI home state here)", consider that it will take under $1000 to have the car shipped to your home, unless you live in Alaska or Hawaii. That's a far cry from $5000 over list or MSRP. ;)

If you put a deposit down at any of these dealers, please score brownie points for the local boys by telling them I sent you, or you heard about it through the Northstar Rotary Rockets. :D

thats cool... i would definitely consider those dealers if these cali punks try to mark up the price 5K or more above MSRP... i know cali has crazy a$$ emission standards, wondering if the rx-8 outside of cali will meet them, i am sure they would.. but i know some cars need tweeking in cali to get the DMV sticker...

anyways, will be visiting a couple mazda dealers in the southern cali area, will let you guys know the bull$hit i get fed LOL..

Make sure you all add your local dealers, honorable ones and not so, into the database, and rate them. :)

http://www.northstarrotaries.com/vendors/

I'm sure if you mention that you live in Cali, they can find out if there are emissions differences, and provide you with a compliant model. ;)

Tribal....first and foremost- get you deposit back!!!!!

then you can start you search for a new dealer to sell you the car at MSRP.

Once that is done, start a new thread, called Irvine Mazda Sucks. Then copy and paste all of the stuff you explained to us about them. Once there are a few replies dogging them out, send your guy, as well as the sales managers, mazda customer service and the owner of the dealership an email giving them the link to the site. Explain in the email that you did this because of the way that you were treated by MR. Foster. Kid or no kid, you shouldn't be talked to like that.

Once they see that, I am sure that they will come around and start to treat you very nicely. I am also sure that they will want to keep you happy, and do whatever it takes for you to post something explaining that they took care of the situation, and how wonderful they are.

This forum can be a powerful tool if it is harnessed correctly. As enthusiasts of a car, showing this much support for a vehicle before its introduction, I am sure that Mazda will take swift action in making sure that no negative publicity is incurred.

The owners of this site can even add a section that is Called Dealers. People throughout the country can post any/all experiences they have with dealers. Whether it be good or bad.

Just my thoughts
HoustonRX8

Once that is done, start a new thread, called Irvine Mazda Sucks. Then copy and paste all of the stuff you explained to us about them. Once there are a few replies dogging them out, send your guy, as well as the sales managers, mazda customer service and the owner of the dealership an email giving them the link to the site. Explain in the email that you did this because of the way that you were treated by MR. Foster. Kid or no kid, you shouldn't be talked to like that.

Then they can take the URL, contact their legal reps and your ISP, and file a slander suit against you like the guy at the VW forum. Not a good idea, as we discussed this at length when someone suggested a good/bad dealer forum. You'll notice few if any other car forums have such a separate forum. Tread lightly in this area, guys.

How can they file a slander suit, when all you are doing is posting written information (ie- their emails), and letting the public decide for themselves. Slander, as I understand it (at least in Texas) is basically stating something that can't be proven. If he has the proof of the email, then they shouldn't be able to do a damn thing....

So this basically becomes, a situation, where if you can't say anything nice, then don't say something at all !?!....

I'll be right back, I'm going to ask my companies general counsel...


houstonRX8

Originally posted by houstonRX8
Once that is done, start a new thread, called Irvine Mazda Sucks....
Stay clear of anything that may be considered opinion if you are going to do something like that. And losing your cool will only make your argument weaker...

The owners of this site can even add a section that is Called Dealers. People throughout the country can post any/all experiences they have with dealers. Whether it be good or bad.
That has been suggested before, and the owners of this site apparently don't like the idea. ;) Anyway, why reinvent the wheel?

http://www.northstarrotaries.com/vendors/

Read the note in red print when leaving a feedback. Be adults and you will be heard. Be children, and you will not. ;)

:D

Originally posted by houstonRX8
How can they file a slander suit, when all you are doing is posting written information (ie- their emails), and letting the public decide for themselves.
If the thread is entitled "Irvine Mazda Sucks" it is slanderous and defamatory...

Let me reclarify it as Defamation of Character (http://www.gdf.com/defamation.htm)
The threads were at vwvortex.com but I believe deleted as agreed to in dropping litigation proceedings.

That's crazy...I guess I just don't understand....

oh well...bottom line, get your money back and find another dealership to do business with!!!

Is that allowed, because I'm not promoting their business?

ha ha....

toadman, thanks for the information

ok i guys i just got back from irvine mazda. i met with the guy from the email, fleet manager, greg foster. it was a pretty long meeting and him trying to bullshiet alot. he said there was a waiting list but he didnt know of ANY deposits being put on the RX-8. then i showed him my deposit sheet, and he seemed surprised, then he made what looked to be a FAKE phone call to some guy, apparently trying to put on a show for me, dunno if anybody was on the other end of the line, doubt it. he just basically said that i put a deposit on a car which i/them have no idea what it is. and that i should talk to the guy i put the deposit with and maybe even get my money back. he said that there will be people willing to pay 5k over msrp for this car. so basically we got nothing accomplished, and im in search of a new dealer that is willing to state msrp with deposit.

btw i also stoped by franks irvine subaru(which is just down the street) and i was planing to put a deposit on the wrx sti, but the lady told me their not taking deposits yet and just put my name on the waiting list.

that just flat out sucks...

sounds like they misled you big time....

Sorry to hear that....

But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....

just to let you know...

Originally posted by houstonRX8
that just flat out sucks...

sounds like they misled you big time....

Sorry to hear that....

But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....

just to let you know...

yea ill be looking around this area for dealers not charging over msrp

Originally posted by danielk015
hey wassup man.. i am in the irvine area and was thinking about contacting some dealers like irvine for desposits on the car... did you get any info from irvine like when the car is coming, when the specs are coming out, when you can choose the options and how many rx-8's they will be getting?? just wanted to know cuz i was plannin gon calling irvine mazda soon and dont want to get the run around and bull$hit... there are not too many mazda dealers here but i think there will be some to sell at MSRP... any info will help.. thanks.

i just posted a follow up bout irvine mazda

do not go to irvine mazda. they dont know shiet, its sad when the consumer knows more then the dealer. im going to looking around for other dealers. let me know if u find a good dealer

I think what Toad is saying is that you can give a factual account of what happened to you, but you can't give a subjective opinion of the company that did it to you....

IE, you can say that your burger had a worm in it, but you can't say that the burger company has poor hygene unless you can prove it.....

But the guys at a couple of Houston Dealerships said they will not be charging over sticker....

Because Texans are generally honest and people of integrity. Their word means something, and dishonest flakes don't live very long. :)

Originally posted by BlueAdept
I think what Toad is saying is that you can give a factual account of what happened to you, but you can't give a subjective opinion of the company that did it to you....

IE, you can say that your burger had a worm in it, but you can't say that the burger company has poor hygene unless you can prove it.....
Yes. That and that any person or organization that continues to convey said defamatory comments when notified of their falsehood (i.e. lack of proof) is just as liable for the comment as the individual that made the comment. :)

Hence: No "Mazda Dealers" forum, and the disclaimer and tight moderation of the Northstar vendor page. ;)

do not go to irvine mazda. they dont know shiet, its sad when the consumer knows more then the dealer. im going to looking around for other dealers.
Hey Tribal, remember that dealers are getting MAZDASPEED Proteges in a couple weeks, and the Mazda6 will be in the showrooms in November. The "8" is not on the front burner just yet. Of course you know more about the "8" than they do, because you have a genuine personal interest in it(we all do) and do your 'net research. You can't expect them to know very much, anymore than Nissan salespersons know about the 350z. :)

Mazda had a problem with dealers charging way over the MSRP for the first gen RX-7. They had such a problem with it that they told all dealers to stop it. They couldn't market the car as an affordable car if the dealers were giving everyone the shaft. It makes Mazda look bad and I bet they will be concerned here too. Do not pay extra to be the first guy on your street to own an RX-8.

The only problem is that there isn't much that Mazda can do about what the dealers charge. They can't force them to charge MSRP. Otherwise they can get in trouble for price fixing. But I am sure that Mazda is going to tie in some dealer bonuses for those that don't charge above MSRP.

HoustonRX8

houstonRX8, I am not clear on how charging MSRP would be considered price fixing or collusion. Saturn, if I'm not mistaken, has a no bargin policy or fixed priced product don't they? I did a little more research on the way collusion or price fixing would apply to car dealers. One way would be that Nissan and Mazda both agree to charge the RX-8 and the 350Z at the SAME exact price. That way they Either one will not undercut each other. Or "toms Mazda" and "Jen's Mazda" dealers have a secrete meeting to fix prices at a specific price point that they don't undercut each other either. This is price fixing. Charging at MSRP or over is not. If Sony was able to control the prices of the PS2 [during its launch] at Walmart or wherever it was sold [except Ebay] why can't Mazda do something similar. This I don't get. :(

Originally posted by n22lasing
houstonRX8, I am not clear on how charging MSRP would be considered price fixing or collusion. Saturn, if I'm not mistaken, has a no bargin policy or fixed priced product don't they? I did a little more research on the way collusion or price fixing would apply to car dealers. One way would be that Nissan and Mazda both agree to charge the RX-8 and the 350Z at the SAME exact price. That way they Either one will not undercut each other. Or "toms Mazda" and "Jen's Mazda" dealers have a secrete meeting to fix prices at a specific price point that they don't undercut each other either. This is price fixing. Charging at MSRP or over is not. If Sony was able to control the prices of the PS2 [during its launch] at Walmart or wherever it was sold [except Ebay] why can't Mazda do something similar. This I don't get. :(
I agree. Mazda could simply tell their dealers "hey, if you decide to mark up the car horrendously, best of luck getting more from the factory."

So this would give the dealers a good reason to keep their cars at MSRP, because if they didn't Mazda would be hesitant in supplying them with more. And this in the end helps the consumer who wants to purchase a nice car at a nice price.

Originally posted by Toadman

Hey Tribal, remember that dealers are getting MAZDASPEED Proteges in a couple weeks, and the Mazda6 will be in the showrooms in November. The "8" is not on the front burner just yet. Of course you know more about the "8" than they do, because you have a genuine personal interest in it(we all do) and do your 'net research. You can't expect them to know very much, anymore than Nissan salespersons know about the 350z. :)

thats no excuse... someone thats trying to sell me a car should know more about the car then me, the consumer. if i were a dealer and had a new car arriving much less an rx-8, then i would be excitied as hell and be trying to find out all i can about the car. irvine mazda dealers should know even more since mazda headquarters are located in irvine!!!!!

Originally posted by houstonRX8
The only problem is that there isn't much that Mazda can do about what the dealers charge. They can't force them to charge MSRP.
Oh yes they can. Dealers could lose their Mazda dealer license if they don't comply with Mazda's guidelines. IIRC, this happened with the 1st gen RX-7.

Buy from a Mazdaspeed approved dealer. These are the crème de la crème of Mazda dealers. They must meet certain requirements to qualify to be a Mazdaspeed dealer, high customer care and service being among those requirements. ;)

Originally posted by tribal azn
thats no excuse... someone thats trying to sell me a car should know more about the car then me, the consumer. if i were a dealer and had a new car arriving much less an rx-8, then i would be excitied as hell and be trying to find out all i can about the car. irvine mazda dealers should know even more since mazda headquarters are located in irvine!!!!!
While I agree that there should be more info on the RX-8 currently available, especially to those who have already placed a deposit, I disagree with your statements here.

Dealers and salespeople sell the current line. Most dealers are no actively trying to sell the RX-8 to anyone yet. If they are trying to sell you an RX-8, they should be able to give you some information, but probably nothing you don't already know. And they will only take a token deposit, not a full pre-payment.

Some dealers are excited as hell about the RX-8, and are taking deposits, promising MSRP pricing, and info as it becomes available.

Proximity to headquarters has little to do with one dealer knowing more than another. Once info is distributed to a dealer in Irvine (or anywhere else) in this age of technology, it is all over the world the same day. Mazda is notoriously tight lipped about upcoming surprises, and sensitive info...

When my father went to look at the Lexus SC430, we got into a conversation with the salesperson about some dealers charging over invoice etc....This particular dealership wasn't....and I asked the salesman if Lexus told them they couldn't charge more than the MSRP...(obviously I missed the first part of the conversation)...the salesman told me that Lexus COULD NOT dictate what the dealer charged because it would be considered price fixing...

that was the angle I was trying to share...If I am wrong then I apologize...

houstonRX8

i visited some local dealers here in the area, and called several.. will fill u guys in tomorrow.. it is interesting what i found out... most u wont be surprised though

hi guys,

called one of the local mazda dealerships in the northern virginia area and he stated the car will come out around may 2003(tentative). i also asked him about a waiting list and his reply was there was a non-refundable $500 deposit as well as a $3900 markup. as much as i want this car, i may just pass and decide on something else. i really hope that a dealer in the area is willing to sell at the msrp at least!!!!!

just got off the phone w/ someone at a mazda dealership about an hour from where i live in northern va. his company is charging $200 refundable deposit AND will NOT have any markup over MSRP. talked to the guy for about 10 mins over the phone and seemed like a straight shooter. i'm gonna go this weekend and talk to him face to face and see what the real deal is. oh yeah, he said they'll be out 2nd week of june if that means anything......

evry reputable dealer i have talked to and heard about here is taking fully refundable deposits and agreeing to sell the car at msrp in writing. do not even bother to talk to that dealer again except to tell them they lost a sale when you put your deposit at another dealer :cool:
i wonder what some of the dealers that are talking markups are thinking? they could be doing it for several reasons:
a)they know or have guessed that their allocation wil be zero so they are trying to show mazda that they can sell them even at an inflated price.
b)they could just be trying to make sure that the buyer really wants one. so they can use the sales as leverage to up their allocation.
c)use it as leverage against the buyer to try to talk them into another car that they have available now
d) none of the above, they are just greedy bastards! :mad:

i know for a fact that only 700 sti will be realeased into the us this next year 03-04 they are taking deposits and the subaru in costa mesa already sold 3 of them and i saw the papers and the contracts for signing on for preorders or deposits. have fun getting one of those. i was told that one of the 3 sold went for 55,000 but thats prolly BS.

Originally posted by tunneler66
i know for a fact that only 700 sti will be realeased into the us this next year 03-04 they are taking deposits and the subaru in costa mesa already sold 3 of them and i saw the papers and the contracts for signing on for preorders or deposits. have fun getting one of those. i was told that one of the 3 sold went for 55,000 but thats prolly BS.

uh no that is totally wrong. u cant sell what u dont have. how come u "saw" the papers and contracts but then u were "told" that 1 sold for 55,000.


"Irvine Subaru
Hello future STI owners. My name is Desiree Farey and I have handled the Internet department here at Irvine Subaru for the past 13 years.

I will sell the STI sedan or wagon for $1,500.00 over dealer invoice to all STi club members on a sold order.

Just give me a call at 800-970-5755 (calif) or 714-342-9920 (cell) or 949-837-3500 ext 100 to place your order. You can also e-mail me your information at desiree@irvinesubaru.com

When placing the actual order we will require a $500.00 refundable deposit on the vehicle. Then you will be given a VON number, this will be your vehicle order number.

Irvine Subaru is also performance friendly, with SPI motor sports as our after market company.

I look forward to helping all STi club members, and look forward to meeting you in the near future.

Desiree Farey
Internet Manager"

Hey Dankgummy-

What dealer and where in NoVA? I'm in Richmond, and the only two Mazda dealers here are completely scummy. Since my in-laws live in Manassas, it wouldn't be completely out of my way to drop by this dealer you're referring to...I'd rather not have to go out of state if I don't have to.

elara,
it's the mazda dealership in fredericksburg va. can't recall the name, but just type it in a search engine. i think i'm going this saturday to put a deposit down. :)

Bill Britt Mazda
540-898-1600

I have handled the Internet department here at Irvine Subaru for the past 13 years

There wasn't much of an Internet in 1989, I'm a little suspicious.

Originally posted by RX7 Guy


There wasn't much of an Internet in 1989, I'm a little suspicious.

suspicious of what. i already talked to the lady face to face

he might be asking how much internet business she was handling in 1989, since there wasn't much going on then.

Actually, there were electronic bulletin boards around then(Usenet). I worked at a dealership that used them for vehicle trades/locates. It was all text-based and Hayes 1200-baud modem. *Gag!*

Thanks dankgummy and Toadman- I'm going to check my local dealers, but I have a feeling I may be going to visit Bill Britt soon.