Want to see 9 Service Bulletins issued by Mazda for the RX8 from 9/5/03 - 11/07/03?

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins_index.html

Most of them seem to be minor in nature.


http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/title_service_bulletins.gif

Thanks! Regarding one of those bulletins, I wonder if people are getting their batteries replaced because they're so wimpy on start-up. (I can't imagine how bad it would be in colder climes.) I have a brand new Optima battery in my garage and I'm seriously thinking of throwing it in the engine bay.

Hmm.. the MIL service bulletin that was posted on 11/7 sounds fishy. Nothing was said about what the code means. It just went straight to the repair procedures, which basically reprograms the PCM. Any insiders here would care to decode the DTC code and what the reprogram was? Maybe it changes the fuel maps?? :p

Originally posted by Zonker04
Thanks! Regarding one of those bulletins, I wonder if people are getting their batteries replaced because they're so wimpy on start-up. (I can't imagine how bad it would be in colder climes.)

I was wondering about that too. I've had a couple of instances already (and it hasn't been all that cold) when the starter sounded a little weak, like the battery was just barely enough to crank it.

The Oil Pan issue is missing from there.. The service guy at my dealer found it under 'tips' not tsbs..

So there are ways to skirt around the tsb count..

I've been driving the Mazda6 loaner almost as long as my RX8 now.. eh..

Originally posted by downshift
Hmm.. the MIL service bulletin that was posted on 11/7 sounds fishy. Nothing was said about what the code means. It just went straight to the repair procedures, which basically reprograms the PCM. Any insiders here would care to decode the DTC code and what the reprogram was? Maybe it changes the fuel maps?? :p

Hmm...

P0128 Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Below Thermostat Regulating Temperature
P0456 Evaporative emission control system malfunction

The PCM reprogramming might have to do with the problem that Gord96brg had with slow warmup in cold weather and the weird check engine light that some people are getting.

Tire pressures are also in the manual, but in kPA instead of lbs. I found that 220kPa when read from the guage of the IMS pump from Mazda does not equate to my fairly accurate digital guage. You need to set it to almost 300kPa on the pump guage to = 32lbs.

I took the one about the Shock Sensor to my dealer today so they would document the problems we all have been having. He entered it in the computer, but there is yet to be an upgrade to be retrofitted to those of us who pre-ordered our cars.. By telling the dealer, it now is down as a problem that has to be adressed. I also told him about the excess heat from the cup holder compartment. (nothing there to improve this problem yet)

I told my dealer about the oil light issue several times and asked him to check into getting an oil pan.
He told me (before the service bulletin was issued) that he could find nothing out about the oil pan issue and he would need to reproduce the problem. It's not easily reproducible however so I didn't leave the car with him.
I asked him to continue to check on the issue with Mazda.
He called 2 weeks later to tell me my oil pan was in.

My philosophy is - make a pest of yourself until they do the right thing. It worked for me.

My oil light came on a few times on a long road trip a couple months ago, long before the service bullitin, but after a couple people had mentioned on here that a new oil pan was out there. So I called my dealer from the road and asked if he could order the new pan, he made some calls and called me back and said that there was indeed a new oil pan part number in the system, so he went ahead and ordered it. Had him switch it out when we got back from the trip (was due for an oil change anyways). Also funny thing is about 2 days after i got my car, my temperature knob broke off, so thye just replaced it with one from another car on the lot. I think it's funny that they have since come out with more reinforced replacement knobs... I guess it wasn't just my extreme brute streangth!

The oil light is generally a high power issue. When the second cooler is added the engine oil level sensor sees low oil level at highway speeds. If your dealer is waiting for the symtom to duplicate itself he may never do so. Have you dealer order you an updated pan assembly.

The TSB on the p0456 concerns the PBE(pressure based evap) system on your car. This is the system that tests the fuel tank and related plumbing including the cap.

Hello all,

See this thread - for the TPMS Service Bulletin - revised 12/1/2003

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15974

regards,
rx8cited

Hi All,
I had the oil light come on today in my loaner car. I was running 65 or so and it would come on and off as I increased speed. I checked it and it was a at the bottom mark. 1 quart put it mid way inbetween the marks, does that sound right? Anyways, it was good that the ligth came on in this instance. This is an early vin# so it may have the 'unfixed' oil pan but this warning was indeed a good thing.

Originally posted by Sea Ray
Hi All,
I had the oil light come on today in my loaner car. I was running 65 or so and it would come on and off as I increased speed. I checked it and it was a at the bottom mark. 1 quart put it mid way inbetween the marks, does that sound right? Anyways, it was good that the ligth came on in this instance. This is an early vin# so it may have the 'unfixed' oil pan but this warning was indeed a good thing.

All high powers will need this "fix"

Btw.. I'm on union mill rd.

Hi Markpmm,
Since this is the loaner car, they can fix themselves. but I should have them go ahead and do mine before I pick it up, however they probably won't until the light comes on. Maybe it will start coming on right about the 1st oil change time.

I am in The Country subdivision off of Chrisman Mill Rd, right behind you. I took the ultimate drive today for this car, 68 to Shakertown and back, nice! What color is yours? Mine is Red.

Wanna go to Lousiville to pick up a new one??? I can't wait, like a kid before Christmas.

Hi all,

FYI - One revised TSB and one new one

Revised:
Room Fuse Removal/Installation Caution Issued 10/06/03 - Revised 12/18/03

New:
Differential Oil - Issued 12/18/03

See the usual place:http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

Happy Holidays :),
rx8cited

Originally posted by RX-GR8
my VIN is one of the VIN's affected by the oil pan issue. if my oil light goes on are you saying they have to see it go on too before they'll fix it?

You are correct. Had mine in today for an oil change and MIL. Mentioned to them that the oil light had flickered on and off a while back but hadn't happened since and I was aware of a TSB concerning the oil pan, etc. They told me unless they observed the oil light on then no repairs would be made.

BTW - My MIL was for the evaporation issue. MIl was off when I left the dealership. Drove 15 miles home. Then drove 5 miles to the mall. Left the mall and the MIL is back on. Will be calling them about it in the morning.

Originally posted by labrat1123
You are correct. Had mine in today for an oil change and MIL. Mentioned to them that the oil light had flickered on and off a while back but hadn't happened since and I was aware of a TSB concerning the oil pan, etc. They told me unless they observed the oil light on then no repairs would be made.

BTW - My MIL was for the evaporation issue. MIl was off when I left the dealership. Drove 15 miles home. Then drove 5 miles to the mall. Left the mall and the MIL is back on. Will be calling them about it in the morning.

Any respectable dealer has the new pan in stock.

They do NOT have to SEE the light.

They only need you to tell them it comes on.

FYI
01-027/03 2004 RX8 - LOW OIL LEVEL WARNING LIGHT COMES ON WHEN LEVEL IS NOT LOW
BULLETIN NOTE
This bulletin is being reissued 11-17-2003 to revise the REPAIR PROCEDURE (added step 3) and to correct the part number main cause (delete extra dash).

APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004 RX8

VINS: JM1FE17* *40000000 to 40111043

DESCRIPTION
The low oil level warning light may come on while driving with engine speed 4500 to 4800 RPM and the oil level is within specifications (1/4 above L on the dipstick).

All vehicles within the VIN range should have the oil pan replaced using the following procedure:

REPAIR PROCEDURE
Remove the oil pan.

Disconnect the oil level sensor electrical connector from the side of the oil pan.

Remove the oil pan bolts (22-10mm)

Separate the oil pan from the engine

Install the new oil pan and level sensors assembly.

Clean all silicone sealant, oil and dirt from the engine.

Clean all silicone sealant from the oil pan bolts.

Apply a 2.5 to 6.5mm (0.10 to 0.26in) bead of silicone sealant to the oil pan as shown.



Install the oil pan bolts and torque to 8.8 to 11.8Nm (77.9 to 104.4 inlb).

Connect the oil level sensor electrical connector to the side of the oil pan.

Fill the engine with oil.

Verify Repair.

PART(S) INFORMATION

Part Number

Description

Qty.


N3H8-10-4AXA

Oil pan with oil level sensor

1


8527-77-739

Silicone sealant

1



WARRANTY INFORMATION

Originally posted by MEGAREDS
MY VIN# is beyond the range listed. I took delivery on 11/3/03. Does this necessarily mean that I have the updated pan? Nope, that means that Mazda had corrected the problem before your car was made, so you don't need the fix. Most dealers won't do the fix either unless your car falls within the VIN range... they claim their costs against Mazda corporate as recall work, and Mazda won't pay them unless the car worked on under a TSB falls within the range of the recall.

Sorry to disagree, RX-GR8 and labrat 1123, but you don't have to experience an oil light problem to get a new oil pan, if your car has one of the (early) VINs listed by Mazda.
My dealer hadn't read his bulletins, so I showed him a printout from the forum. After a quick reading, he asked me whether I had seen an oil warning light. I directed his attention to the language that says all cars in the VIN range get new oil pans, and he ordered one.
Incidentally, the tech doing my 5,000 mile service thought an oil pump was leaking, so he ordered a new one, which will be installed along with the pan. I hadn't noticed any symptoms; the engine ran fine, and oil consumption was a quart for 3,000+ miles. Anyway, I'm not complaining about what may be an excess of caution. I think techs who realize they don't know much about the Renesis will order new parts just to be safe, and it seems that Mazda will go along, probably for the same reason. That's OK.
Some posts say that the oil pan problem is mainly with the high power engine. Mine's an AT, but it's getting the fix because Mazda didn't distinguish between high and low power in its bulletin. Maybe another example of Mazda playing it safe.

(Frustrated) to disagree, Mitch, but...

I took the TSB printout to two dealers, pointing out that my VIN is in range -- to no avail. Neither would perform the replacement without verifying the MIL.

Here, at least, it would seem the word has gotten out to the service managers to not perform a fix unless a problem is indicated (by the car). Apparently I need to let the oil get low, then run the engine at ~6k to get the light to set -- something I explained to both service writers (and one assistant service manager) is irresponsible: force the car into problem condition before we fix the problem we already know about! *hmmphfff*

Originally posted by jdl
(Frustrated) to disagree, Mitch, but...

I took the TSB printout to two dealers, pointing out that my VIN is in range -- to no avail. Neither would perform the replacement without verifying the MIL.

Here, at least, it would seem the word has gotten out to the service managers to not perform a fix unless a problem is indicated (by the car). Apparently I need to let the oil get low, then run the engine at ~6k to get the light to set -- something I explained to both service writers (and one assistant service manager) is irresponsible: force the car into problem condition before we fix the problem we already know about! *hmmphfff*

I took my 8 in about two weeks ago because the MIL came on, after I got it stuck on a patch of ice and caused the ABS to freak out. I was able to reset the MIL on my own, and when I took the car in, I told them what I had done to temporarily reset the MIL, and I also told them that the light had come on several times while on my way to see them, and to please check it out. My VIN falls outside the range, but they did flash the ECU, I haven't seen the MIL on except at start-up. (All of this is covered in another thread)
An interesting note, though... the sevice manager wrote the ticket saying that "the MIL was intermittently coming on." I wonder if you use that kind of wording if they would take a look, and more importantly, take you more seriously. Also, maybe another dealership?
Just my $0.02 :D
-Doccable

Originally posted by jdl
(Frustrated) to disagree, Mitch, but...

I took the TSB printout to two dealers, pointing out that my VIN is in range -- to no avail. Neither would perform the replacement without verifying the MIL.

Here, at least, it would seem the word has gotten out to the service managers to not perform a fix unless a problem is indicated (by the car). Apparently I need to let the oil get low, then run the engine at ~6k to get the light to set -- something I explained to both service writers (and one assistant service manager) is irresponsible: force the car into problem condition before we fix the problem we already know about! *hmmphfff*
Personally, I'd call Mazda North America and file a complaint associated w/ your VIN and that the dealer(s) are refusing to comply with an issued (and re-issued) TSB. A nice polite explanation to them might gain you the service you should be getting in the first place.

I think what's missing here is the fact that the bulletin says the dealer HAS to verify the problem before a fix is warranted.

OTOH, you may run into a cool cat behind the service counter who realizes they still get paid for doing warranty work.


Tommy

Tommy says what's really missing for those of us who said the oil pan replacement is for every low-VIN car, not just those with probems, is that the bulletin says the dealer must verify a problem.
What's missing in your account, Tommy, is the real story. This is another case of Mazda saying one thing, then backing off and saying another. You know, like the fiasco about approving synthetic oil.
What happened is that Mazda said in an 11/14/03 bulletin that all cars up to a certain VIN got new pans. Period. Nothing about defects. Somebody panicked on 11/17, and they issued a new bulletin. It doesn't repeat the section with the promise, or say that it is changing it. Instead, it adds some details about the replacement procedure and then slips in a sentence about a verified customer complaint. Pretty sneaky.
I have no gripe with Mazda waiting for complaints, but they should have said so in the first place. This kind of indecision doesn't give me a lot of confidence in Mazda's service.
I should add that publishing bulletins on the web is a valuable service, and one that I appreciate. Thanks.

Negative.

They updated the bulletin because they never said to reinstall the sensor in the original. Somewhere some dumb tech is going to leave off a level sensor.

You didn't see the disclaimer because I inadvertently snipped it off prior to posting it. IMO, the statement in the first one about all vehicles refers to all vehicles having it performed should refer to the following procedure. Not that everyone should have it done. They probably removed that statement because they realized, just like the installation omission, that it could be perceived incorrectly.

But I really think everybody in the vin range should get a new pan. :D

Tommy

Originally posted by RosenthalMazda
I think what's missing here is the fact that the bulletin says the dealer HAS to verify the problem before a fix is warranted.

OTOH, you may run into a cool cat behind the service counter who realizes they still get paid for doing warranty work.


Tommy

So the tech must duplicate the problem exactly before the TSB applies?

That is how the system is designed. But some service advisors have seen it enough to go ahead and perform the fix. That is how it shou,ld be done. Others just like to be confrontational and must think the money comes out of their pocket or something.

Tommy

TSB's are Mazda's way of saying "if a customer is experiencing this particular problem, here's how to fix it." There's no point in replacing the sump on every car in the VIN range, because the vast majority of those cars will never be driven under the required conditions of sustained high speed and low oil level, so the customers will never see the CEL. But if a customer does experience the symptoms, Mazda has documented the necessary fix.

"Verify the problem" can be as simple as confirming with the customer the conditions under which the light came on - there is no need for the service writer to actually see it come on with his own eyes.

And yes, many dealerships will apply TSB's proactively for customers who are concerned that they may experience the affected conditions. It's warranty work after all, for which they get reimbursed by Mazda - if they decline, they're just denying themselves income.

Luckily for us Austinites, the good folks at Mazda South are among those that stay on top of TSB's and are happy to apply them on request.

As I understand the oil pan situation, Mazda has discovered (acknowleded) that early 8s came with an oil pan which can cause problems under certain kinds of non-abusive use. Apparently Mazda was not satisfied with this level of reliability, and could fix it with a redesign, probably at little or no cost. So they did so, for subsequent production.
That leaves those of us with inferior oil pans. What's the appropriate response? Wait until something bad happens -- perhaps after warranty expires? That is reality for owners who don't follow the forum, search out bulletins elsewhere, or have caring dealers who inform them of the potential problem. My view: Mazda ought to have instructed dealers to tell owners with those VINs of the situation, and given them the option of free replacement. I would agree that it is probably unnecessary to replace the pans for drivers who do not intend to drive hard, ever, but that should be their choice. Using myself as an example, I do not expect to do sustained hard driving on the road, but I will take the car to a track one or two times. I should not have to cut a session short, because of problems with a design that is below Mazda's own standard, before a fix is made. In fact I won't, because my dealer agreed -- after seeing the original bulletin -- to do the replacement. BTW, Tommy, I am a lawyer who has some expertise in interpretation. Regardless of what the writer of the first bulletin intended, the best interpretation of the actual words is that all early-VINs get the fix.

As I understand the oil pan situation, Mazda has discovered (acknowleded) that early 8s came with an oil pan which can cause problems under certain kinds of non-abusive use. Apparently Mazda was not satisfied with this level of reliability, and could fix it with a redesign, probably at little or no cost. So they did so, for subsequent production.
That leaves those of us with inferior oil pans. What's the appropriate response? Wait until something bad happens -- perhaps after warranty expires? That is reality for owners who don't follow the forum, search out bulletins elsewhere, or have caring dealers who inform them of the potential problem. My view: Mazda ought to have instructed dealers to tell owners with those VINs of the situation, and given them the option of free replacement. I would agree that it is probably unnecessary to replace the pans for drivers who do not intend to drive hard, ever, but that should be their choice. Using myself as an example, I do not expect to do sustained hard driving on the road, but I will take the car to a track one or two times. I should not have to cut a session short, because of problems with a design that is below Mazda's own standard, before a fix is made. In fact I won't, because my dealer agreed -- after seeing the original bulletin -- to do the replacement. BTW, Tommy, I am a lawyer who has some expertise in interpretation. Regardless of what the writer of the first bulletin intended, the best interpretation of the actual words is that all early-VINs get the fix.

As I understand the oil pan situation, Mazda has discovered (acknowleded) that early 8s came with an oil pan which can cause problems under certain kinds of non-abusive use. Apparently Mazda was not satisfied with this level of reliability, and could fix it with a redesign, probably at little or no cost. So they did so, for subsequent production.
That leaves those of us with inferior oil pans. What's the appropriate response? Wait until something bad happens -- perhaps after warranty expires? That is reality for owners who don't follow the forum, search out bulletins elsewhere, or have caring dealers who inform them of the potential problem. My view: Mazda ought to have instructed dealers to tell owners with those VINs of the situation, and given them the option of free replacement. I would agree that it is probably unnecessary to replace the pans for drivers who do not intend to drive hard, ever, but that should be their choice. Using myself as an example, I do not expect to do sustained hard driving on the road, but I will take the car to a track one or two times. I should not have to cut a session short, because of problems with a design that is below Mazda's own standard, before a fix is made. In fact I won't, because my dealer agreed -- after seeing the original bulletin -- to do the replacement. BTW, Tommy, I am a lawyer who has some expertise in interpretation. Regardless of what the writer of the first bulletin intended, the best interpretation of the actual words is that all early-VINs get the fix.

Originally posted by Mitch Strickler
As I understand the oil pan situation, Mazda has discovered (acknowleded) that early 8s came with an oil pan which can cause problems under certain kinds of non-abusive use. Apparently Mazda was not satisfied with this level of reliability, and could fix it with a redesign, probably at little or no cost. So they did so, for subsequent production.
That leaves those of us with inferior oil pans.The problem is with the warning light sensor, which may illuminate the light before the oil actually gets too low. The pan is replaced as a unit, but the only change is to the sensor that is mounted in it. There is no problem with the oil pan itself, so nobody's going to lunch their engine because of it - if anything, it has the opposite effect of prompting folks to check their oil more often.

If it was the other way around, with the light NOT coming on when there was a serious oil shortage, then yes, I agree it should be retrofitted to all cars whether the owner knows to ask for it or not. But as it is, I think Mazda is quite justified in their approach of only fitting it if the customer encounters the circumstances required to trigger it, or if they ask for it explicitly. This procedure costs Mazda money, and I'd just as soon they keep their costs down by not necessarily fitting this part to cars that are never likely to encounter the problem.

I will take the car to a track one or two times. I should not have to cut a session short, because of problems with a design that is below Mazda's own standardIf you plan on doing track work, and don't plan on checking your oil before each session, then a spurious warning light is probably a good thing. Seriously, if you keep your oil topped up then you're never going to see the light anyway!

[Edit] That's not aimed at you, Mitch, but rather at the generic you. :)

Mitch, do us all a favor and delete some of those repeat posts... :)

[i] BTW, Tommy, I am a lawyer who has some expertise in interpretation. Regardless of what the writer of the first bulletin intended, the best interpretation of the actual words is that all early-VINs get the fix. [/B]

Let me give you some advice, one lawyer to another...DO NOT tell people here you are in the legal field!!!


TRUST ME ON THIS.......

Originally posted by klegg
Let me give you some advice, one lawyer to another...DO NOT tell people here you are in the legal field!!!


TRUST ME ON THIS.......

klegg,

Interesting that you're not taking your own advice on this by letting us know you are a lawyer :confused: .

rx8cited

PS: Mitch, I second racerdave's request for you to delete your repeated duplicate posts - you seem to do this quite often. Bad computer :) ?

All I'm saying (for the last time, I promise) is that unfortunately, dealers are going to take this "I need to see it" approach. In my 20 years as a parts guy for Mazda this is the standard. It's also my opinion that it's Mazda's 'whatever-you-want-to-call-it' policy.

My other opinion is that if you run into this approach to bulletins, lose the days pay, rental car fees or what have you and drive to a "friendly" dealer. I would. With all the members here I'm sure we can find one in most areas. Taking that whole legal interpretation thing to court does nothing but piss you off and make some folks uncomfortable with your presence.

Not a sermon, just a thought.

And if I may get away with a small shameless here...

Steve Miller in my service department is a friendly. Just tell him I said so. ;)


Tommy

Originally posted by rx8cited
klegg,

Interesting that you're not taking your own advice on this by letting us know you are a lawyer :confused: .

rx8cited

PS: Mitch, I second racerdave's request for you to delete your repeated duplicate posts - you seem to do this quite often. Bad computer :) ?

Pretty much everyone who has been a member for more then three months knows it....

Tommy,

I'm in the process of readying to move to the metro area up there from California. With all the stuff you guys have done like the online TSB's (and a good customer service oriented attitude), you guys will be certain to get some business once I get there. :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by klegg
Let me give you some advice, one lawyer to another...DO NOT tell people here you are in the legal field!!!

klegg - What happened when people found out you're a lawyer? You started getting requests for free legal advice? /rx8cited

I was just at my dealer talking to the head tech about some of the TSB's and he gave some details about the oil light. He did tell me they could do the change on the oil pan if I wanted to arrange it.

But, and I think this was mentioned, he also said it is not a problem if you keep the car full. The problem is that on long runs as it gets hot and the oil begins to bubble up (his description) the sensor gets confused and thinks it is low. I was told there is no real danger to the motor at all.

Also, said there is another new ECU reflash that just came out to fix the thermostat engine light issue.

If you are going to a dealer that won't discuss these things with you or bring them up when you ask what is new with the 8 then find another one. Now that many of us have the free service cards they all want are business since they are able to bill Mazda directly (at top rates) for servicing our cars, make them earn it!

Hello Everyone :) ,

FYI - Spark Plug Info - Parts Flash Issued 1/12/04

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/flash_rf04-04.html

Enjoy,
rx8cited

Originally posted by rx8cited
FYI - Spark Plug Info - Parts Flash Issued 1/12/04
http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/flash_rf04-04.html

You beat me to it. So, hot plugs are for colder climes or cars used for mainly short-distance travel. This leaves open a lot of questions - for another thread.

Originally posted by rx8cited
[QUOTE]Originally posted by klegg
Let me give you some advice, one lawyer to another...DO NOT tell people here you are in the legal field!!!

klegg - What happened when people found out you're a lawyer? You started getting requests for free legal advice? /rx8cited

No, I got attacked, flamed, insulted, and stalked in addition to death threats.....most of it from two demented psychos who no longer vist us (thank god!). And no, I am not joking!

Sorry if this has already been adressed in this or another thread (too many postings to go through) but has anybody noticed their oil pressure gauges running a little off center? Mine has been two clicks to the right of center since I bought the car and my dealer just told me it was OK with no explanation.

Thanks in advance.

If your gauge ever moves away from that position, you should be concerned. It's not a real analog gauge, but a glorified idiot light - as long as you have any pressure over a low threshold, the gauge will sit rock solid at that point. If it ever moves, it will be to drop to Zero, and you'd better shut things down ASAP.

Thanks. It has never moved from that position so I guess everyhing is OK.

Mine has been in the exact same position as yours for 6000 miles
- it's OK

We just updated the page again.

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

Tommy

Originally posted by RosenthalMazda
We just updated the page again.

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

Tommy

Thanks Tommy!!

TSB: Engine Cover Grommets Missing - Issued 1/15/04 2004 - http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-001-04.html

says the engine cover grommets may become lose and fall off. Has this happend to anyone here? Last time I checked, mine were still on.

regards,
rx8cited

PS: Thanks Tommy - keep them TSBs comin'.

Also, said there is another new ECU reflash that just came out to fix the thermostat engine light issue.

I couldn't find the TSB on the ECU flash at Rosenthal. Anyone else seen it?
Thanks

A while back, I read about a section of hose causing oil leaks often enough (under hard-revving conditions, it seemed) that Mazda had improved the design and was going to come out with the upgrade part soon -- Jan. 15, I believe. I brought my car in for service and oil pan replacement after reading that, and mentioned it to the service manager. I said it was very unlikely my car had any problem, as I don't drive it hard, but it might be worth looking. My service receipt came back with a note that I had raised the issue of a new part, the tech had checked with Mazda and found that there was no suich part.

The person who wrote the post I saw (Gordon?) said he would report back with a part number. I would like to know what happened. If Mazda issues an improved part, I want to tell my dealer about it, so they respect what I say and maybe pay more attention to what they do with my car, rather than thinking I spout misinformation.

I think that was Whealy that had the problem, not sure of the thread title though.

Originally posted by rx8cited
TSB: Engine Cover Grommets Missing - Issued 1/15/04 2004 - http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-001-04.html

says the engine cover grommets may becom lose and fall off. Has this happend to anyone here? Last time I checked, mine were still on.

regards,
rx8cited

PS: Thanks Tommy - keep them TSBs comin'.

Front right....GONE. Dealer ordered the new ones per service bulletin.

Originally posted by JD32
I couldn't find the TSB on the ECU flash at Rosenthal. Anyone else seen it?
Thanks


It's a long story but I'm not able to obtain that information at this time. Something about not being authorized....

I am working on a back door source but not promising anything.

Tommy

Hello, Tommy. Good to see you actively participating in the forum! And hello to you other fellow members. :)

Let me start by saying that I experienced the oil light problem and got the oil pan fix painlessly. Very happy with my service dept. The guys there didn't even want to talk about it...I told them and they said OK, anything else? Done. (4 month checkup)

After reading this thread, I finish with the portrayal that you only get the false signal under high speed / hard driving. Not so. I suddenly started getting it about every time I drove it, under very normal conditions.

Also, the portayal is that the oil needs to be a little low. Again, not so. My oil was about 1/8" below the top "full" line. What, maybe about 1/4 quart below completely topped-up, if that?

Also, the portrayal is that you need to be on an extended drive. Not so. Five miles was plenty.

The first time the light came on, I was doing about 75 or 80 on straight, flat, smooth highway. I became VERY concerned because I knew that my oil level should be good. So, there I was on a highway, wondering if I was suffering a massive oil loss, or if it was this false signal that I've heard so much about. Of course, I checked it ASAP.

One thing that haunted me until it got fixed was if the signal was indeed correct, but something caused a higher than actual reading on the dipstick. I know, silly, but, you never know until you know.

I would have been VERY irritated, had my service department given me any flak about fixing it for me. I'm so glad they did it in the right way.

I HATE false idiot lights. My MX-6 has 3 idiot lights giving me false signals all the time. Any more, I just ignore them and wish they didn't exist. So, for me to experience a false idiot light from my brand new RX-8 was not a good thing indeed.

Oh yeah, the idiot light would go out if I did a couple semi-jerky left-right-left-right meneuvers, sloshing the oil side-to-side a little.

I'm glad the fix worked out in your favor, without any grief from your dealer. You're lucky.

I'm going to compose a note in my forum in the next couple of days reflecting on comments I've received from not only my dealership techs but others I have ties with, relating to a Mazda car owner and bulletins found on the web.

Don't expect something like the oceans parting with the most gracious autocross pattern you've ever seen or anything like that....just my opinions.

And don't rush me, ok? :)

Tommy

I'm glad the fix worked out in your favor, without any grief from your dealer. You're lucky.

I'm going to compose a note in my forum in the next couple of days reflecting on comments I've received from not only my dealership techs but others I have ties with, relating to a Mazda car owner and bulletins found on the web.

Don't expect something like the oceans parting with the most gracious autocross pattern you've ever seen or anything like that....just my opinions.

And don't rush me, ok? :)

Tommy

Tommy,

How many oil pans do you have in your inventory?

I can check if you want me to.:)

3 currently, 10 more on order

And your tech duplicate the oil light every time prior to replacing the pan?

3 in each store..

Lets just fix theses things and not split hairs.

Originally posted by markpmm
And your tech duplicate the oil light every time prior to replacing the pan?

3 in each store..

Lets just fix theses things and not split hairs.



I never said we need to see the light....:cool:

When I went to check my oil level tonight, it was after I had read the grommet TSB, I was looking for the TSB that has been allegedly coming regarding the oil line between coolers as seen in
this thread (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16968), but obviously didn't find one about the oil issue. Anyway, when I pulled the cover off, I found that both of the front grommets were missing. :( Needless to say, I'll be placing a call in the morning... :) Thanks to Rosenthal for keeping us updated on the TSB's!
-Doccable

Originally posted by rx8cited
TSB: Engine Cover Grommets Missing - Issued 1/15/04 2004 - http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-001-04.html

says the engine cover grommets may becom lose and fall off. Has this happend to anyone here? Last time I checked, mine were still on.

Originally posted by doccable
....Anyway, when I pulled the cover off, I found that both of the front grommets were missing. :( Needless to say, I'll be placing a call in the morning... :) ......
-Doccable

Last time I took my engine cover off, I noticed the grommets were not on the engine cover. Rather they were in the four holes that the cover fits onto. Are the grommets supposed to be attached to the cover or the cover mounting points? The cover fits snuggly when I put it one.

Thanks,
rx8cited

There is no TSB on the cooler lines, nor have I heard of one coming down the pike. What Mazda has done, like thousands of other part numbers, changed it in some way in the form of a normal part supercession.

In other words, someone else may be manufacturing them or they just made some simple modification to the hose. Maybe a rubbing issue is the reason. (?)

Any change whatsoever causes a suffix change in the part number, sometimes a new number is issued altogether.

Hey Tommy,

We have been talking/wondering (in another thread) about the true policy on ReFlashing the ECU. What is your shops take on it and what do you do if I come in and want a reflash for any updates or improvements?

Do you guys get weekly updates via Mazda, minor versions?
Major versions on a monthly or quarterly basis?

Thanks if you can help clear this up.

Dean

Would they simply update just to update? I would call my service guy Steve Miller at 703-749-6550 xt 366 for that answer.

I would imagine that if one came in with a complaint and there was an ECU update for the problem, they would certainly do it.

I don't know the regularity of updates from Mazda. I think we only have one team of techs that deal with the ECU issues...

Sorry I don't have concrete answers. Steve is my guy in service for those questions.

Originally posted by rx8cited
TSB: Engine Cover Grommets Missing - Issued 1/15/04 2004 - http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-001-04.html

says the engine cover grommets may becom lose and fall off. Has this happend to anyone here? Last time I checked, mine were still on.

regards,
rx8cited

PS: Thanks Tommy - keep them TSBs comin'.
One of mine went astray. Dealer replaced with the new larger one.
Much better.

FYI

I did a search on this and it has been mentioned in the past but not in this section..

FRONT CUP HOLDER / CENTER CONSOLE BECOMES HOT
Applicable Models
Model Starting S/N Ending S/N
2004 RX8 00000000 40113124

Some customers may complain of the front cupholder area of the center console becoming hot after extended driving, causing cold drinks to warm. Due to the heat from the exhaust system (catalyst), the center console (cup holder area) becomes hot. This is due to insufficient insulation between the floor panel N cup holder. A insulation pad is available to reduce the heat transfer to the center console. 1. Remove the upper panel, hole cover (cigar lighter) and storage box from the vehicle. (See WSM 9-17-8) 2. Remove the six screws from the upper panel and remove the rear console. (See WSM 9-17-8,9) 3. Attach the heat insulater pad to the bottom of the front cup holder in the rear console removed at the above step #2. NOTE: Be sure to attach the heat insulator pad so that the bottom of the cup holder is wrapped. 4. Re-install the parts reverse order of removal. Parts information: F151-55-161 Heat insulator pad

Thanks Mark for the update. I'll wait until summer cause it's nice to have the donut warmer in the winter :)

This is great, Mark where did you find this? Can you direct me to a link, thanks.

I'm afraid it's not that simple =(

Originally posted by markpmm
FYI

I did a search on this and it has been mentioned in the past but not in this section..

FRONT CUP HOLDER / CENTER CONSOLE BECOMES HOT
Applicable Models
Model Starting S/N Ending S/N
2004 RX8 00000000 40113124



I've seen this info as well.

I'm privileged to be able to log in and see certain info that has not been issued in the form of an official parts or service bulletin. I'm assuming that the poster is as well, or knows someone that is.

While I won't deny it's existance, I have a problem posting this kind of info for fear of my source being shut down. It's not an X-Files kind of conspiracy or nothing but it was told to me this way:

Mazda recognizes there are "issues" pertaining to a 'thing' relating to 'something'. They issue a dealer accessable 'written thing' (i dunnow what the official term is), stating that a customer may experience 'it'... If you experience 'it', correct it with 'this'.

My belief is that when 'enough' experience 'it', it will become a bulletin of either a recall, service bulletin or a simple parts bulletin. It's also been in insinuated to me that I should watch what I post regarding unreleased information.

Now, those that know me know that I'm not afraid of no ghost.

But I will stifle myself to keep info flowing when need be.

On that note...

Thank you....Coffee does stay warm......

Originally posted by RosenthalMazda
I've seen this info as well.

I'm privileged to be able to log in and see certain info that has not been issued in the form of an official parts or service bulletin. I'm assuming that the poster is as well, or knows someone that is.

While I won't deny it's existance, I have a problem posting this kind of info for fear of my source being shut down. It's not an X-Files kind of conspiracy or nothing but it was told to me this way:

Mazda recognizes there are "issues" pertaining to a 'thing' relating to 'something'. They issue a dealer accessable 'written thing' (i dunnow what the official term is), stating that a customer may experience 'it'... If you experience 'it', correct it with 'this'.

My belief is that when 'enough' experience 'it', it will become a bulletin of either a recall, service bulletin or a simple parts bulletin. It's also been in insinuated to me that I should watch what I post regarding unreleased information.

Now, those that know me know that I'm not afraid of no ghost.

But I will stifle myself to keep info flowing when need be.

On that note...

I for one very much appreciate what info you can give us..

Our good friend Tommy has posted a new Service Bulletin: Clearing Eccentric Shaft Plate Profile Memory (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-007.htm) . Thanks Tommy.

Tommy,
What happened to the "Engine Cover Grommets Missing" SB and serveral other items that are no longer on the website?

thanks,
rx8cited

Tommy,
What happened to the "Engine Cover Grommets Missing" SB and serveral other items that are no longer on the website?

thanks,
rx8cited

I was going to ask the same thing....

An error on my part last night. Working on it now.


That should do it.

Thanks Tommy!!

Relative to "Eccentric Shaft Plate. . . ", the repair procedure is turn the ignition to "on" position, then "pump the brake pedal at least 20 times within 8 seconds". Is pumping the brake pedal 20 times within that alloted time physically possible?? This is quicker leg movement than when my dog scratches a flea bite.

That procedure clears teh ECU learned sensor range data.
By resetting it this way it will often mask a problem.
The problem always returns, so this is a bad patch, not a solution for anything.
If you find a problem, and this seems to alleviate it, I suggest you take it to the dealer, and ask them to fix it.
If they can not, ask them to call Mazda.
If they can not fix it, ask fro your money back.

It's called a warranty.

If they do not honour it they have voided the sales contract.

Originally posted by canzoomer
That procedure clears teh ECU learned sensor range data.
By resetting it this way it will often mask a problem.
The problem always returns, so this is a bad patch, not a solution for anything.
If you find a problem, and this seems to alleviate it, I suggest you take it to the dealer, and ask them to fix it.
If they can not, ask them to call Mazda.
If they can not fix it, ask fro your money back.

It's called a warranty.

If they do not honour it they have voided the sales contract.

Does modification of the fuel & emission system void the vehicle warranty, I wonder?

Originally posted by Mazda Monkey
Does modification of the fuel & emission system void the vehicle warranty, I wonder?

If it can be shown that this modification caused a failure.
In this sense I am comfortable in saying that our products should not void the manufacturers warranty.

For understanding of this I suggest you read the Magnuson Moss act:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm


Please be aware that ANYTHING you do that affects the emissions and related systems is ILLEGAL.
This is not a warranty issue. It is a matter of violation of the EPA regulations concerning pollutants and emission controls.

I would caution you that installing any aftermarket performance components will probably fall under this category.

2004 RX-8 with Manual Transmission Dynamic Damper Recall 1704B STOP DELIVERY



This is to notify you of a recall and STOP DELIVERY on the 2004 Mazda RX-8 with manual transmission. This recall and stop delivery notification is for dealer inventory vehicles. This message provides dealers with detailed parts information, warranty claim processing information, and repair procedures.



Beginning today, February 16, 2004, all 2004 RX-8 models in dealer inventory must be inspected and repaired (if necessary) prior to customer delivery.



Selling or leasing subject vehicles without performing the necessary inspection and/or repair is prohibited by law. Failure to perform applicable recalls before delivery can result in extensive dealer fines from the Federal Government. Once 2004 RX-8 Manual Transmission models have been inspected and repaired (if necessary), customer delivery may begin.



Mazda Motor Corporation has decided that a defect, which relates to motor vehicle safety, exists on certain 2004 RX-8 vehicles produced from April 10, 2003 through August 29, 2003.



On certain 2004 RX-8 vehicles, the dynamic damper heat insulator, which is installed on the manual transmission, may be cracked, causing abnormal noise. Should you continue operating the vehicle in this condition, the insulator could come off while driving and could pose a serious hazard to a following vehicle.



Owners of affected vehicles will be notified by first class mail beginning February 27, 2004.



SUBJECT VEHICLES
Model
VIN Range
Build Date Range

2004 RX-8
JM1FE17**40 100053 - 116133
April 10, 2003 through August 29, 2003


Note: The asterisk symbol "*" can be any letter or number.



PARTS INFORMATION

Description
Part Number
Quantity


Damper Bracket
Y6Y0-22-100
1


Campaign Label
9999-95-065A-00
1=sheet of 18 labels
MStore
(no charge)

Originally posted by markpmm
2004 RX-8 with Manual Transmission Dynamic Damper Recall 1704B STOP DELIVERY......

hi markpmm,
Where did this information come from?
thanks,
rx8cited

Thanks mark for the advance notice, it's appreciated.

-BV

Two re-calls were actually released today on the RX8

I'm sure Tommy will post the other soon.

Any idea what the other recall is for?

This sounds like something outside, "installed on the manual transmission". Is that correct? Is it a quickie fix, or a tranny pull/dismantle job?

It appears to me to be something mounted to the exterior of the manual transmission. Possibly just a heat shield.

Those with Tech highlight CD's or service manuals could see what it is exactly. I'm personally more curious to see what the second recall is going to be. Mark was forthcoming enough with this one....but is leaving it up to Tommy (Rosenthal Mazda) to cover the second one.......hmmm....(x-files music)

sounds like we have an answer to the wierd clutch rattle question..

Originally posted by klegg
sounds like we have an answer to the wierd clutch rattle question..

Maybe. That sound was classic throwout bearing though......we'll see soon I guess.

Originally posted by Gyro
Maybe. That sound was classic throwout bearing though......we'll see soon I guess. Yeah, that noise was also present on my 10AE Miata's 6-speed and (to a lesser extent) the wife's '02 5-speed Miata. I suspect that this issue is unreleated, but time will tell.

2nd recall maybe something to so with air bags. just a guess though.

Howdy Pard's. Just a tip for the future Mazda Purchase from a 32 year veteran. NEVER get on the list to buy the first year of a new car. Huge improvements are made in the first 6 months after all the GOTTA GET ONE guys shake out the bugs. Trust me, I'm old.

I'm dying to know what the second announcement is..

let me guess --all the auto transmission are recalled

FYI

My bad folks..

Did you mean to post the new one mark?

Any chance the second recall is for the missing turbo and intercooler?

;)

Whoops..sorry

FYI

2004 MPV & 2004 RX-8 Front Passenger-Side Airbag Recalls 1604B-a and 1604B-b STOP DELIVERY



This is to notify you of a recall and STOP DELIVERY on the 2004 MPV and 2004 RX-8. This recall and stop delivery notification is for dealer inventory vehicles. This message provides dealers with detailed parts information, warranty claim processing information, and repair procedures.



Beginning today, February 16, 2004, all 2004 MPV and 2004 RX-8 models in dealer inventory must be inspected and repaired (if necessary) prior to customer delivery.



Selling or leasing subject vehicles without performing the necessary inspection and/or repair is prohibited by law. Failure to perform applicable recalls before delivery can result in extensive dealer fines from the Federal Government. Once 2004 MPV and 2004 RX-8 models have been inspected and repaired (if necessary), customer delivery may begin.



Mazda Motor Corporation has decided that 2004 MPV vehicles produced from August 20, 2003 through February 4, 2004 fail to conform to requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 208, Occupant Crash Protection. Also, Mazda Motor Corporation has decided that a defect, which relates to motor vehicle safety, exists in certain 2004 RX-8 vehicles produced from April 10, 2003 through January 28, 2004.



Certain 2004 MPV and 2004 RX-8 vehicles were produced with improperly wired front passenger-side airbags. The result of this problem is that the airbag will not provide adequate protection in the event of a crash. Mazda has decided to conduct a recall campaign to correct the wiring by installing a new wiring harness in the front passenger-side airbag system on all affected vehicles.



Owners of affected vehicles will be notified by first class mail beginning February 27, 2004.



SUBJECT VEHICLES
Model
VIN Range
Build Date Range

2004 MPV
JM3LW28**40 500013 - 519303
August 20, 2003 - February 4, 2004

2004 RX-8
JM1FE17**40 100053 - 131563
April 10, 2003 - January 28, 2004


Note: The asterisk symbol "*" can be any letter or number.



OWNER NOTIFICATION
Mazda will notify U.S. owners by first class mail beginning February 27, 2004.

Originally posted by 47samurai
Howdy Pard's. Just a tip for the future Mazda Purchase from a 32 year veteran. NEVER get on the list to buy the first year of a new car. Huge improvements are made in the first 6 months after all the GOTTA GET ONE guys shake out the bugs. Trust me, I'm old.

Absolutly right!! But I needed a new car and NOTHING else excited me in the least. So I'm more than willing to put up with the problems all first model year owners experience. Plus there's other factors to consider. One, a first year model is typically more valuable to collectors. Two, assuming all the bugs are worked out and the 05 -09 models are great cars, the RX-8 brand will gain great name recognition, and when I go to sell my 04 8 with 200k miles, I will fetch more than it's actually worth to an unsophisticated teenager.

Very disappointing

Originally posted by Gyro
It appears to me to be something mounted to the exterior of the manual transmission. Possibly just a heat shield.

Those with Tech highlight CD's or service manuals could see what it is exactly. I'm personally more curious to see what the second recall is going to be. Mark was forthcoming enough with this one....but is leaving it up to Tommy (Rosenthal Mazda) to cover the second one.......hmmm....(x-files music)


http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/damper_recall.html

I'm not sure if that's a vote of confidence or whathaveyee...maybe the alcohol's clouding my judgement?

(Thank god for a spellchecker...regardless)

Originally posted by RosenthalMazda
http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/damper_recall.html

I'm not sure if that's a vote of confidence or whathaveyee...maybe the alcohol's clouding my judgement?

(Thank god for a spellchecker...regardless)

hehe . No Tommy, I was referring to my interpretation of what the 2nd rcall was going to be. Not if you were going to post it. You always pull through with the TSB's. Its the first place I look.

I was suggesting that the recall was going to be for something good like a magical 20 HP PCM reflash or something that that.....just horsing around:)

It's just the Vodka talking on my end! Just having a little fun with it. BTW...How funny for me to post that and realize that I only posted 1/2 the bulletin!

Have one one me 'eh? I'm fixing it. :) Graphix intensive for dialup users, if there are any left... but worth the download.

We all appreciate how open and quick with the information you guys at Rosenthal are...thanks Tommy...:cool:

There is one for the airbag - haven't read it yet but so far it looks like only repair precedures. No official document is posted.

That's what through me off on the other recall...two listings - one was the letter and the other listed separate was the procedure.

Once I get both I'll combine them and post together. Probably in the morning.

Originally posted by Gyro
We all appreciate how open and quick with the information you guys at Rosenthal are...thanks Tommy...:cool:

Ahh, that's cool. Actually they could give a rats.....

I just take pleasure in beating the other guy to the punch. :cool:

Competitive like that, ya know?

Originally posted by 47samurai
Howdy Pard's. Just a tip for the future Mazda Purchase from a 32 year veteran. NEVER get on the list to buy the first year of a new car. Huge improvements are made in the first 6 months after all the GOTTA GET ONE guys shake out the bugs. Trust me, I'm old.

That's a pretty weak argument... if there weren't enthusiasts like us that would wait on a list to buy exciting new sports cars like the '8, then they simply wouldn't get built. I guess I should bought a Ford Taurus instead. Thanks for the tip!

Now thats what I call an information highway..

Two guys trying to post the latest.

I called my dealer that services my 8, and they said they didn't know anything about it yet. They were quite surprised to hear that I knew about a recall before they did. I went ahead and scheduled myself for mid-March, with the understanding that if the parts aren't in yet that we'll reschedule as needed. Since the letter to owners is supposedly going out to us on the 27th of February, I figure mid-month should be safe. This way, I'm not stuck waiting in line. :)

I think this explains the sound I have been tracking down without any luck. http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18683

I theorized a heat-shield was loose; maybe I was dead on.

I'm afraid I have been lacking in posting due to a previous commitment in putting together our sister store's Honda web site but we're all caught up to date.

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

My dealership is currently clueless to any recalls on RX-8s ...

very sad to me ... but not surprising they really haven't been the best group to work with so far.

My dealership is currently clueless to any recalls on RX-8s ...

very sad to me ... but not surprising they really haven't been the best group to work with so far.

I called my dealership on Thursday 2/19 about a CEL light. I mentioned at that time about the recalls and they had the parts in stock.

Took it in this morning and had both recall issues fixed. The CEL was for a cat problem. They are waiting for an email from Mazda to see what to do. Probably a new cat according to the dealer service dept.

FYI

Suspension

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

02-002/04 RX-8 - SNAPPING NOISE WHEN TURNING AT LOW SPEED - 18" WHEELS
APPLICABLE MODEL(S) / VINS
VIN Range - JM1FE17**40100000 - 40128212

DESCRIPTION
A snapping noise may be heard from the front suspension when the vehicle is turning at low speeds, such as in a parking lot or into a driveway. The noise is more likely to occur when the desired turning circle of the vehicle is larger (wider turn).

The number of times this noise may occur is in direct proportion to the revolution of tires. If the vehicle is turning quickly, the snapping noise may be heard constantly. When the vehicle is making a right turn, the noise is heard from the left of vehicle, and when the vehicle is making a left turn, the noise is heard from the right of vehicle.

When the vehicle is making a turn with the front tires receiving side force, the joint surface of the aluminum wheel slightly deforms, allowing the wheel and brake disc to slip against each other. This slippage causes the anti-corrosion treatment to peel off the brake disc. The frictional co-efficient between the wheel and brake disc joint surface changes. As a result, a stick-slip noise occurs.

REPAIR PROCEDURE
Verify customer concern.

Remove the front tire / wheel assemblies.

Remove anti-corrosion treatment (black coating) from mounting surface of brake disc and wheel with #)100 sand paper, and clean mounting surface of brake disc and wheel with brake cleaner.

Re-tighten lug nuts to 147 N.m (108 ft-lb).
NOTE: The Workshop Manual specifies a lug nut torque of 88-118 N.m (65-87 ft-lb), but for a field countermeasure against this noise, be sure to torque the lug nuts to 147 N.m (108 ft-lb). Revised wheel torque specs should be used anytime wheels are removed from the vehicle (wheel rotations etc..).


Verify repair.



WARRANTY INFORMATION
NOTE: This information applies to verified customer complaints on vehicles covered under normal warranty. Refer to the SRT microfiche for warranty term information.


Warranty Type

A


Symptom Code

82


Damage Code

9B


Part Number Main Cause

9965 05 8080


Quantity

0


Operation Number / Labor Hours

XX639XRX / 0.7 (Both Sides)




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What should we do for the dealers that are clueless about all this stuff?

I called my dealer today about the reflash stating CEL and poor gas mileage and they had nothing to say about it. Their lead technician hadn't heard of any issues and he said that he had just came back from some RX8 training class. Guess he didn't learn crap.

All in all the car is running just fine. Though if I can get it to idle smoother and get better gas mileage than I want it done. Yes?

Originally posted by success07
What should we do for the dealers that are clueless about all this stuff?

I called my dealer today about the reflash stating CEL and poor gas mileage and they had nothing to say about it. Their lead technician hadn't heard of any issues and he said that he had just came back from some RX8 training class. Guess he didn't learn crap.

All in all the car is running just fine. Though if I can get it to idle smoother and get better gas mileage than I want it done. Yes?

Yeah, I'm up here in Akron, and my dealer (Park Mazda) didn't know about it either. Their service tech and I discussed other issues with the 8, but he had no knowledge of the ECU reflash.

I'm sure it'll just take a little more time for all dealers to become aware of it.

BTW, I'm coming down to Columbus this weekend for the "Arnold Classic and Fitness Expo." I go down there every year for it. We usually go down on Sunday and spend a little time afterwords at the Polaris Mall.

A lot of dealers don't know about service bulletins unless they consistantly look or someone comes in with it in hand. That's why we post them.

Most dealers won't know about the recalls until late this month (but it IS late this month)!!

What can I say...If your recall notice doesn't come quick enough, print it and take it in.

BTW...I posted 2 new ones today. Not recalls but stuff you should know.

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

Tommy


Was a bad link but I fixed it.

I gotta bad link...stand by...


Fixed it.

Switch you dealer e-mail to your mailbox and you can get them whenever you want..Like 10pm on any Tuesday night..

Btw the bulletins are not held until the end of the month

Ummm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

Use the "preferred e-mail" option and send the bulletins directly to your personal e-mail address.

Just see the WSL admin at the dealer and switch it over.

If you go to the Mx connect site you can download the info when you choose "dealer e-mail"

Groovy.

But I'm not stroked enough to receive this kind of info that is on a on a "need to know" basis. That might change now that I know of the option. And since I reprogram all of the MPV PCM's on my computer, I might have the service mgr boost my access or continue to buy me lunch on a daily basis.

Bonus to you my brother. :)

Tommy

FYI

Body and Accessories

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09-004/04 RX8 - INTERIOR TIRE HOUSE TRIM LIFTING OVER BOTH REAR WHEEL HOUSINGS
APPLICABLE MODEL(S) / VINS
RX-8 - Prior to VIN JM1FE17**40112425

DESCRIPTION
Interior tire house trim over both rear well housings may lift due to the position of a wiring harness and metal clip on the back side of the tire house trim. Use the procedure below to first reposition the interfering wiring harnesses on each side of the vehicle using the modified "T" shaped clip and then reinstall the tire house trim using a redesigned resin clip to replace the metal clip on both tire house trims.

Customers having this concern should have their vehicles repaired using the following repair procedure.

REPAIR PROCEDURE
Verify customer concern.

Remove the tire house trim from one side of vehicle:
NOTE: Use care when removing scuff plates and tire house trims as the tabs can break if pulled to the side or at an angle and not straight away from the vehicle.


Firmly lift the front of the rear seat cushion upward to disengage retainers. Remove rear seat cushion by lifting front of seat cushion up to disengage rear hook.

Remove 2 bolts at bottom of seat back, then remove the rear seat back by sliding upward and disengaging clips at top of seat back.

Remove seat belt from seat back guide and remove seat back.

Pull the outer edge of scuff plate upward to detach clips from the body and remove scuff plate.

Partially peel back the seaming welt weather-strip.

Pull the tire house trim outward and detach clips A and locator pins B.

Detach tabs C and remove the tire house trim.



Remove the "T" shaped clip from the harness:

Cut the Green electrical tape securing the "T" shaped clip to the wiring harness.

Pull the "T" shaped clip out of the body.



Replace the "T" shaped clip with a modified part:

Relocate the harness 15mm (0.6 inch) from the side body panel.

Tape the modified "T" shaped clip to the harness with electrical tape.

Secure the modified "T" shaped clip into its mounting hole.

Place the tire house trim upside down on a surface that will not scratch the tire house trim.

Replace the tire house trim existing metal clip with the redesigned resin clip. Place in location indicated in the figure.






Install the tire house trim. Reverse procedure outlined in Step 2.

Repeat entire procedure for tire house trim on opposite side of vehicle.

Verify repair.



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Wowthere have been a lot of bulletins relatedto the wheels and tires lately. I wonder how longit will be till they issue one for owners whose brakes are squealing sometimes when slowing down the car. Its probably moreof a problem for automatic Rx8s then manual. Thats the only problem Im having with my Rx8.

mine squels like a pig
and it sucks

Tommy, do you have a TSB list for the Mazda 6 too?

Fellas...

While at the dealer a couple of days ago, the service manager suggested that with the high metallic content in brake pads these days, he finds that those that use their brakes aggressively have less squeal AND less of the rear brakes trying to seize after being parked over night. Apparently in the old days, heavily used brakes (causes heat) glazed pads where now the higher metallic content needs a bit of exercise.
Tom

Originally posted by Omicron
Tommy, do you have a TSB list for the Mazda 6 too?


http://www.mazda6tech.com/cms/index.php?id=98&PRATTCMS_USER=d917050b5540cd5e27890beac5988c3d

All Mz6 bulletins will be here;)

I just took my 8 over to my dealership today for the lastest recalls and I thought that I would get the 'L' reflash done. Shared with them the poor gas mileage, etc. What I found out was that my car has a VIN number prior to the one's on the TSB and he said that I couldn't get the reflash and that I should have the most up-to-date coding. I purchased the car 10/22/03 right of the truck. Build date must have been sometime late July or early August I would assume.

My question to those of you that have gotten the 'L' reflash; Was your VIN number after the *40132647 that was given on the TSB? Or did you still get the 'L' reflash with a VIN before that number?

Again, mine falls below that and the TSB says its applicable to VIN's after that number. I'm confused how the VIN #'s work. I figured anything before that number would be applicable. Therefore, the later VIN numbers (newer cars) would have the most updated coding. Thank you in advance for your help.

Yeah, lower than VINs are the ones that need it. Mine is 1006xx and I got it. Sounds like they are idiots.

Though I must say that the TSB specifically says it affects VIN numbers after *40132647 not before. There inlies my confusion.

Ohhhh.... I think the TSB used when they installed the "L" on mine was MIL with DTC P0128 and/or P0456 - Issued 11/07/03.

That was the one reported on my statement of work and it resulted in my "L" reflash. It appears that they were correct about the one you showed them... but strange that it is for AFTER vin.

Originally posted by success07
What I found out was that my car has a VIN number prior to the one's on the TSB and he said that I couldn't get the reflash and that I should have the most up-to-date coding.Lazy service advisor - it would have taken about 2 minutes to hook up their diagnostic gizmo to verify your flash level, and another couple to update it if you were back-level.

New TSB posted:Engine Cranks/No Start (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-011-04.htm).

Originally posted by rx8cited
New TSB posted:Engine Cranks/No Start (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-011-04.htm).

Well there you go- for everyone that wants the 'L' flash but hasn't been able to get their dealer to do it, print this TSB and go out and flood your RX8 on purpose :)

Seriously though- this verifies that Mazda must have done some serious leaning of the maps in the 'L' calibration if it's on the checklists of things to do if a vehicle floods.

Originally posted by Omicron
Tommy, do you have a TSB list for the Mazda 6 too?

I tought about it shortly after making one for the Miata...(before I started the RX-8). I'll put it on the list of things to do. I have a little more time coming up...

Tommy

Originally posted by islandsoon
Fellas...

While at the dealer a couple of days ago, the service manager suggested that with the high metallic content in brake pads these days, he finds that those that use their brakes aggressively have less squeal AND less of the rear brakes trying to seize after being parked over night. Apparently in the old days, heavily used brakes (causes heat) glazed pads where now the higher metallic content needs a bit of exercise.
Tom

Thats an interesting thought - I'm pretty hard on the brakes and I have yet to have any squealing from them, 10k miles on it.

muchos useful list. thanks

they wouldn't give me the L flash when i went in for the recall work. i have never flooded my car but now i'm thinking about flooding it on purpose just to get the new flash and the hotter plugs.

Folks, let's stick to discussing TSBs and not let this thread degenrate into another thread bitching about flooding, or (name the issue dejour). I have moved the flooding discussion into the stickied "Flooding" thread, here (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17498).

Just a regular person response here...no biz intended....


EDITED - "i have never flooded my car but now i'm thinking about flooding it on purpose just to get the new flash and the hotter plugs."



WHAT?????


That sounds like "I've never smoked crack and been busted but I always wanted 3 hots and a cot for free so I'm thinking about doin' it".....

Dood...I can't reflash your 8's 'puter but I'll give you a set of plugs if it'll keep you outta the joint...

Really...there's gotta be anudder dealer to help you out...I know it's a pain to go to one in the first place but...

<Work Mode Back On>

Send me your ECU - I'll get it reflashed.

New 3/17/2004 Postings (Thanks Tommy):


Parts Flash: Accessory Theft Alarm Shock Sensor Kit (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/flash04-09.html)


Service Bulletin: Dome Lamp Flashing and/or Clicking Sound From Rear Doors (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/09-007-04.html)

Originally posted by Bigcat44
Yeah thats the first place I looked and while the sticker is there, the numbers are not!! Thanks for the info

This has probably been answered already but....

There are actually two stickers that I found...one on the driver's door sill-area (on the body without the pressures) and the other (with the pressures) in the driver's door itself.

They fooled me too...my car tires had 45 PSI in them when I picked the vehicle up.

For those of you who have had problems getting the "L" Flash from your dealers, I WOULD NOT FLOOD your engine. Print out the TSB and go to your dealer and tell them you have difficulty starting your car sometimes. Tell them it takes 2 or 3 attempts when it is cold sometimes. Hand them the TSB and that is all they need to get flash covered under warranty. I watched my service writer log on to the Mazda Service site to get authorization for the Flash and all he needed was that info (Trouble starting once in a while when cold, takes 2 or 3 attempts to start car) and he will be authorized to flash your car.

I have noticed that my security sys light (Car with a key) flashes now. In that past i had noticed a clicking noise from my doors I tried to track it down. Could it be this? The Diode replacement TSB.

bill

Originally posted by maxrx8
I have noticed that my security sys light (Car with a key) flashes now. In that past i had noticed a clicking noise from my doors I tried to track it down. Could it be this? The Diode replacement TSB.

bill

Mine has always flashed when parked...I thought that was normal.

New TSB posted:Rear Quarter Window Glass Lock Becomes Loose (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/09-011-04.htm).

mine flashes too - I thought it was a problem at first and recall looking in the manual and it saying it's supposed to flash.

Engine Cranks / No Start - Revised 04/12/04 (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-011-04-1273d.pdf)

With the new text it should be easier to get the car reflashed.

"It is important to update the PCM to at least “M” calibration if the vehicle’s PCM currently contains an earlier version. The “M” calibration contains software logic to prevent possible no start concerns. Because of this revision, all vehicles with previous calibrations should be updated to at least the “M” calibration level. This includes vehicles coming to the dealer for repairs unrelated to the no start concern, or normal scheduled maintenance."

That is great news!

Off to the dealer!

Zoom-Zoom!

Revised TSB: Low Oil Level Oil Light Comes On When Level Is Not Low Revised 04/14/04 (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01_027_03.htm)

Bet you're not feeling like the Maytag man lately Tommy! :)

does anyone know what they changed in the revised TSB for the oil pan? I cant find the original one anywhere....(the rosenthal site only has the revised one).

thanks in advance for any info....

Is there an actual page for that "L" flash that I can print out? I looked thru this thread and couldnt find one.

bluerenesis- you dont want the l flash now. now you want M. the link rx8cited provided above is to the tsb which was revised to say all rx8's should be brought up to at least the M calibration.

on the oil pan revison- it says at the top they revised the parts and warrenty section. i think they changed the part number but i am not sure. did they add the silicone?

they actually cut the Dealers allotment in half on the silicone is the oil pan revision.

They used to get a tube per pan...now they only get half. They even developed a part # for half a tube.

The flooding TSB was revised only to make sure the dealer put the "M" update in ILO the "L".

The "M" has been tested and gives the car full fuel @ cold start and progressively reduces the "injector pulse width" (IPW) on the following starts if the engine does not see full warm up in the PREVIOUS start.

From what I am told some cars in the dealer inventory are still on the "J" update and flood in the service bay after 3 cold starts. (ECT less than 50f)

Some dealers have started an Rx8 10 times in less than a minute and could not get the car to flood after the 30.6 (M) update.

I posted elsewhere that the Dealers dont use the same "verbage" as far as updating the the cars in the shop.

You may go into the service dept and get THEIR lastest update and not get THE latest update. If the dealer has not gone to the Mz website and updated the WDS they may be weeks behind.


BTW the dealer is not allowed at this time to update the inventory unless they want to do it for free..Mz will not pay for the repair unless the customer has a complaint.:confused:

thanks snapon. so why then does the wording in the tsb say all rx8's even if they come in for an unrelated issue or just for service. they are telling the dealers to do it but not paying for it?

Originally posted by zoom44
thanks snapon. so why then does the wording in the tsb say all rx8's even if they come in for an unrelated issue or just for service. they are telling the dealers to do it but not paying for it?


The wording in the TSB tells the dealer to update the car when the customer brings it in for ANYTHING be it repair or service.

The TSB does not tell the dealer to update the inventory.

If they sent a Master Tech through the inventory (since only a Master Tech should be working on a Rx8) and attempted to claim the time Mz would reject the claims and possibly flag the Dealer for review of every warranty claim.
It's like the IRS..they're gonna find something.

The problem here seems to be ignorance on the Dealers part.

It is a shame that you and others have walked in with a hot issue bulletin in hand and not recieved the service you deserve.

Maybe a new Dealer is the answer.

The bulletin on "M" flash seems contradictory -- do the flash even if the car is in for some other reason, but warranty payment only if there is a customer complaint with code #02, which is probably the hard starting. As a lawyer, I am used to guessing what confusing language is supposed to mean. One way to make sense of the bulletin is that it still only applies where there is evidence of a hard starting problem, but that there are two changes from the earlier bulletin -- reflash to M, even if the car has L, and don't wait for a special hard-start-complaint visit to do it.

That still may not make sense at first, but here's an example. A customer had a hard-start complaint, and the dealer reflashed to L. The customer has not had a hard start or flood since. The car comes in for service, and Mazda is saying that it wants the dealer to reflash again to M, and will pay for it.

BUT -- and I am sorry to say that I think this is what Mazda means -- those of us who want M (or whatever is the newest) because it may make our cars run better or get better mileage, but haven't had flooding or hard starting because we always warm our cars up, even when it's a nuisance, are out of luck.

I just got the M-flash this morning. Called, told them I wanted it and they made and appt for me.

I must say its a good thing I printed out the TSB, they looked at it and said my car doesnt need it cause it was built before April 2004. I said NO...read it again, you got it backwards....he read it again and said "see you dont need it". I said NO, READ IT AGAIN, it says cars built after April do not need it, but all OTHERS DO NEED IT!!!!. He then left and a few minutes later I walked out to the service area and saw the tech flashing it. I actually went out there and watched the download. Took about 10 mins. The tech was cool, but the service writer was an idiot.

Print out the TSB and demand the flash.

Ok, I have had a couple occasions where it was hard to start, but not all the time. Where is the TSB and is there a way for me to tell what flash level I currently have?

I really think the mods should combine all these threads if possible...

You can call me "Shirley" if you want, but everything seems to be running together.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25613
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17498
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24742
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23658

Maybe one "latest re-flash" thread

One pityful theme seems to continue to pop up in every thread.

If the Dealer is behind the curve..your car will be also.

The easiest way to get an 'M' flash is to take your car and the TSB to your service dealer. Get an oil change, mention that the car has been idling rough now and then.

That will cover you based on the wording of the TSB.

I fought this out with 2 dealers and finally got it done using the above method. Seems the dealer likes having a way to charge Mazda for the work (rough idle = warranty).

I also wrote MazdaUSA about this BS and I got back a very nice 'Thanks for your input - see ya!' letter from them (I think Heather was her name).

FYI..

07-002/04 2004 RX-8 - A/C AIR TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATION AND / OR LACK OF COOLING
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004 RX8

VIN: JM1FE17**40 000001-118171 (up to 9/11/03 production).

DESCRIPTION
Some customers may complain of lack of air conditioner cooling performance and / or a noticable temperature fluctuation (cool-warm-cool) from the vents. The cause may be due to improper logic control of the AC amplifier.

Customers having this concern should have their vehicle inspected and if necessary, repaired using the following repair procedure.

REPAIR PROCEDURE
Verify customer concern.

Ensure ignition switch is off and key is removed from ignition switch.

Locate A/C amplifier on left side of blower case near accelerator pedal.



Remove 3 screws attaching A/C amplifier to blower case.

Remove harness anchor from A/C amplifier.

Disconnect harness connectors from A/C amplifier.

Replace with new A/C amplifier. To install, reverse removal procedure.

Verify that there is no noticable temperature fluctuation (cool-warm-cool) from the vents.
NOTE: Make sure customer is aware that maximum cooling efficiency is achieved by setting temperature blend dial to MAX cool & "FRESH / RECIRC" mode to "RECIRC".




PART(S) INFORMATION

Part Number

Description

Qty.

Notes


FEY2-61-540

A/C Amplifier

1




WARRANTY INFORMATION
NOTE:


This warranty information applies only to verified customer complaints on vehicles eligible for warranty repair. Refer to the SRT microfiche for warranty term information.

Additional diagnostic time cannot be claimed for this repair

Excellent... glad this is an officially recognized problem with summer coming on. Thanks for posting!

Great.....


Unfortunately this will be two trips to the dealer. One to verify concern and order part. The other to repair. It will worth it in the end.

Tell them your concern and ask for a rental..

They can order the part "next day air" and have it by the next day.

Pardon my ignorance :(, but which of the TSBs listed is the one for the level 'M' update? Thanks in advance!

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-011-04-1273d.pdf


This is on the page before this one!!

Originally posted by snap-on
... The "M" has been tested and gives the car full fuel @ cold start and progressively reduces the "injector pulse width" (IPW) on the following starts if the engine does not see full warm up in the PREVIOUS start.

Some dealers have started an Rx8 10 times in less than a minute and could not get the car to flood after the 30.6 (M) update.
Wait just a cotton pickin minute here. Did you just say that the car is getting FULL FUEL at cold start?

WTF? Full fuel, as in the same fuel delivered at WOT?

Folk, unless I'm missing something here, THAT is EXACTLY the reason for the flooding!!!

Rotarygod or someone who knows more than me care to comment here???

Readings pre-"M"

Mz uses "open" time to judge injector pulse width rating.

At idle the Rx8 seems to be @ 1.5-2 milliseconds "IPW"

Full throttle in the bay is @ 10.0-10.2 milliseconds "IPW"

Cold start...38.98 milliseconds.

The same IPW was recorded until the car flooded (6 tries)


After the flash to "M" (the same car was used for testing)

1. 48.5 milliseconds
2. 42.0
3. 40.0
4. 40.0
5. 31.0
6. 30.0
7. 10.5
8. 4.0
9. 4.0
10. 4.0.

They couldn't get it to flood!!

Magnificent!

thanks for the info snap-on

Good info snap-on! In my receipt, they indicated they tried flooding my 8 six times but never succeeded. That's good! I wonder if others here have that on this receipt?

Woh.

Still, what was Mazda thinking?

Originally posted by Xyntax
they tried flooding my 8 six times but never succeeded. That's good!

Thats good?

I'm sure your spark plugs were less than clean after that.

I have yet to flood mine either. I have the "L" currently, but didn't have any problems before I got it either.

Still tho, enough people have had problems that this is worth noting.

wheres the TSB on the heat shiled for under the center cup holders ? I saw it once last week now i cant find it :(

need it for monday .

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25219&highlight=MRI

Snap-On, Thanks for the info!

snap-on ... Thanks for all the on-line support, much appreciated!

I just wanted to report my upgrade to "M" experience. I had scheduled my first oil change (2000@4Months) and told them I also wanted the PCM upgrade to the latest rev.

On arrival I faced this strange hem and hawing about how we're really not suppose to flash on request, we really should have a defined service condition, a TSB is not a recall and doesn't really apply to your vehicle .... but I'll do it this time. It'll cost you $85 in the future if you want this done again, unless a define service condition warrants it.

I had the printed TSB, but withheld it since he relented to do it on his own -- but what a crock.

I mentioned that all the TSB's were posted on the net and he seemed quite "disturbed".

They did the oil change and the upgrade, but I'll likely be in search of a more cooperative service department.

Cheers,
Oranje

Oranje..

My pleasure...and I apologize for the treatment you recieved..

If I may interject maybe I can put some light on this subject..

Page one of the "modified" TSB is a major departure form Mz's policy in the past.. All previous updates were supposed to be authorized via the "tech line". Even the TSB talks in contridictory terms. Page one tells the guys to update every car and page 11 tells them the problem has to be verified.

Until this month when the Dealer ran your "VIN" it told him of any "recall's" and "SSP" work they could perform with no fear of being accused of campaigning repairs on the service drive.

Mz has released a new form of repair called a "MSP" they are using to update all 04 Mazda6 4 cylinders for a O2 sensor issue.

http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=404

Until they issue this for the reflash on the Rx8 some dealers will continue to look at this with some opposition.

Feel free to PM me if there are any questions

Snap-on

invaluable info snap-on

Well I finally got a whole tank used while driving very conservatively (translate that to boring) as compared to my normal WOT drive for the fun methods after the M flash.

Before the M flash I was getting 12.9-13.2 mpg no matter how I drove. After the M flash;

Drive for the fun of it (WOT all the time) - 17.9 mpg

Conservative (never WOT, rarely over 5K rpm) - 18.9 mpg

Both of these are daily driving to and from work with 70% of that driving being in stop and go rush hour traffic. 37 miles one way.

I am certain that non-rush hour driving on the highway would yield over 20 mpg.

So with premium 93 octane costing almost $2 a gallon right now and confronted with there being a 1 mile per gallon difference between fun and boring driving, I think I'll can pay the extra and opt for FUN.

REV-IT-UP!

I feel lucky I have the Dealer I have. Last time I was in they asked me if I also wanted the latest flash, which I believe was "L" The work order just says reflash the ECU.

I do have a question though, at about 9000 miles, the personality of the engine changed. It seemed to have a lot more performance and also got slightly louder at high rev's. Has anyone else experienced this? I am curious if it is an ECU self correction, Perhaps something with the ECU having registerd detonation in the past and retarded the timing, then after not seeing detonation in a while, advancing the timing again?

Guys-as weather in SoCal has warmed I have noted some fluctuation in air temp of AC in max cold. For several seconds to 15 seconds air from vents warms somewhat then will get cold again. According to TSB the VINs of cars affected are about 10 from my cars VIN. Could the temp fluctuation be normal for RX8 as long is not actually warm air coming out? Maybe I do not need to worry about it?

What do you think?

Thanks,

Bob

Originally posted by Doctor Bob
Guys-as weather in SoCal has warmed I have noted some fluctuation in air temp of AC in max cold. For several seconds to 15 seconds air from vents warms somewhat then will get cold again. According to TSB the VINs of cars affected are about 10 from my cars VIN. Could the temp fluctuation be normal for RX8 as long is not actually warm air coming out? Maybe I do not need to worry about it?

What do you think?

Thanks,

Bob


This whole A/C issue is so hard to determine due to the human factor. How something feels to one person is completely different to another. The A/C prior to the new amplifier on my car was cycling to the point that it felt like I was tuning the switch off and on..off and on... etc. The best way I can describe it is the slightly humid mild air that comes through the vents if you turn the A/C off while leaving the fan on. This is because the the cooling coil is soaking wet with condenced humidity....the second it warms up (if the compressor stays off for too long) the water re-evaporates into the ventilation system. This gives a sticky feeling mild air burst from the vents. This was happening constantly prior to the new A/C amplifier, and it was very annoying.

After the fix, my A/C did not do this. It remained a more stable temp. If I pay real close attn to it I can still feel a minor temp change. It is far less annoying, however still present. If I never had the first problem.....I would never notice the current minor cold/cool cycling.
My guess is that your car is operating normally.

Originally posted by Doctor Bob
Guys-as weather in SoCal has warmed I have noted some fluctuation in air temp of AC in max cold. For several seconds to 15 seconds air from vents warms somewhat then will get cold again. According to TSB the VINs of cars affected are about 10 from my cars VIN. Could the temp fluctuation be normal for RX8 as long is not actually warm air coming out? Maybe I do not need to worry about it?

What do you think?

Thanks,

Bob

Hey Doc..does the "mode" change by itself?

When you select "inside air" it should stay there and not defalt back to outside air. Once the system is off of recirculate hot air is only passing over the evaporator once.

Thanks for information and feedback! I will pay attention to what was suggested and will just enjoy the car.

Thank You,

Bob

hey this might be a little off topic but.....my seat warmers don't really heat up much at all, especially the passenger side. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

hey this might be a little off topic but.....my seat warmers don't really heat up much at all, especially the passenger side. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Originally posted by ZGlide
hey this might be a little off topic but.....my seat warmers don't really heat up much at all, especially the passenger side. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Off topic as there's no TSB for it. Try searching for "seat AND warmer" - you'll find some threads on the subject.

rx8cited

Originally posted by ZGlide
hey this might be a little off topic but.....my seat warmers don't really heat up much at all, especially the passenger side. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Off topic, but mine don't heat up at all. They did once on a cold day when I first bought it, but it has been warm-hot outside ever since so it may be tied to the outside temperature.

See previous reply.

The Leather Seats are the reason

Mine to.. I was warned by the Dealer ... THe Leather holds in more of the heat away from your butt.. its skin afterall :)

but wtf do i care its 70 deg all the time here :P

Where are these TSBs coming from? I mean, if I print it out and show it to a service guy, how does he know it's official if I got it off the Internet. I called MNAO to ask my dealer to reflash my car, but they started questioning about the validity of the TSBs I got off the net and I didn't know how to argue my point. Where are these TSBs coming from? And how come the lady I talked to at MNAO said these official TSBs aren't released to the public?

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

This Dealer is one of the largest in the country

01-022/04 MAZDA SPECIAL PROGRAM (MSP04) - 2004 RX-8 - ENGINE NO START, LACK OF POWER, DTCS P2107, P2108, P2402 OR P0420 - POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) REFLASH
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004 RX-8 vehicles built prior to March 12, 2004


VIN Range: JM1FE17**40100001 - 40135536
DESCRIPTION
Some vehicles may experience the following concerns:


Engine fails to start (cranks but no start) at cold engine temperature. This is caused by flooded spark plugs due to slightly rich air/fuel ratio for cold starting.

Engine is hard to start after short distance drive without engine reaching normal operating temperature at cold ambient temperature. This is caused by lower engine compression due to seals icing by moisture inside engine.

Engine has lack of acceleration power and / or knocking when driving at more than approx. 6000 RPM or at high altitudes. This is caused by poor combustion gas sealing due to the lack of amount of oil supplied from the metering oil pump.

MIL illuminates with DTC P2107/2108 stored in memory. This is caused by sub CPU - main CPU communication error after jump-starting the engine due to dead battery.

MIL illuminates with DTC P2402 stored in memory. This is caused by improper threshold setting for DMTL motor electric current tolerance.

MIL illuminates with DTC P0420 stored in memory. This is caused by improper threshold setting for rear O2 sensor output tolerance.
NOTE:


UNDER THE MAZDA SPECIAL PROGRAM (MSP04), ALL CURRENT DEALER INVENTORY AND RETAILED VEHICLES FOUND TO BE WITHIN THE ABOVE VIN RANGES, AND PRODUCED PRIOR TO MARCH 12, 2004, MUST BE INSPECTED AND REPAIRED ACCORDING TO THE INSTRUCTIONS CONTAINED IN THIS SERVICE BULLETIN. THIS INCLUDES CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BROUGHT THEIR VEHICLE IN FOR NORMAL SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE AND/OR RECALL REPAIRS THAT MAY NOT BE RELATED TO THE CONCERNS OUTLINED IN THIS BULLETIN.

BEFORE PERFORMING ANY REPAIR, VALIDATE THAT THE VEHICLE IS APPLICABLE TO THIS PROGRAM BY PERFORMING AN "eMDCS WARRANTY VEHICLE INQUIRY" AND VERIFYING THE VEHICLE DISPLAYS CAMPAIGN "MSP04". SEE "VEHICLE INSPECTION PROCEDURE" BELOW.
DEALER INVENTORY:

Inspect and repair all current dealer inventory according to the procedures contained in this service bulletin.

RETAIL VEHICLES:

When a retail vehicle is brought into the dealer for any type of repair or scheduled maintenance, inspect and repair the vehicle according to the procedures contained in this service bulletin.

VEHICLE INSPECTION PROCEDURE
Verify the vehicle is within the following VIN range, AND built prior to March 12, 2004:

VIN Range: JM1FE17**40100001 - 40135536

If the vehicle is within the above VIN range, AND built prior to March 12, 2004, proceed to Step 1.

If the vehicle is not within the above VIN range, return the vehicle to the customer or inventory.

Perform a Vehicle Status Inquiry using your eMDCS System and inspect the vehicle for an Authorized Modification Label MSP04 attached to the vehicle's hood.
NOTE: Verify the campaign number as the vehicle may have multiple labels.

So what this means boys and girls is that no one should have to do any argueing with their service dept in order to get updated to M pcm calibration level. when you go in for service they pop in your VIN and the system will tell them this needs to be done. kinda like when you go in and there is recall work to be done but not as urgent. they also have to make sure all of their inventory is up to date so no one should be driving off the lot in their new car without this having been done.

edit: i posted a word version of this here (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=392457#post392457) because i can't post a pdf. i have the pdf and if i can get it posted to my home page i will post a link to it.

This MSP also addresses other issues we have seen here.

The P0420 converter code and the P2402 evap code we have seen in ....maybe 100 threads.

So what happened to the new TSB on yet another re-flash issued on 5/2104? the one that's supposed to improve the "M" flash? Was that a rumor? Snap on i think you mentioned something about that. If you have any info on that (like above) can you post it for us? thanks

Sorry, forgot to askyou guys about this one. Has anyone experienced problems with their cruise control? Today I set my on at 67mph, and my 8 started to accelerate and decelerate by itself, fluctuating the speed between 67 and 69 mph quickly. Not going up hill, no bumps big enough to cause that kind of fluctuation. Can anyone offer me any info on this?

Newly posted TSB:

Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Reflash - Issued 06/02/04 (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-022-04.html)

Supposed to make it easier for everyone to get the "M"-flash.

rx8cited

PS: Thanks Tommy!

rx8cited,
Is it the same M flash or a modified one?
From what I've been hearing it's helping restore some of the "believed" lost power from the current M flash.

Why would it simply be an easier way to get the M? My reasoning is the "lack of power" in the subject of the TSB.

This is actually just a second change to the original TSB.

Is changes the TSB to MSP04..It will now show on a vehicle VIN when the dealer runs it through the MZ system.

grr.. i have been posting about this for 5 days now. where have you people been?:D :p

anyway the whole point of this Mazda Special Program is to make it easier for evryone to be brought up to at least M calibration. this is the latest calibration,there is no N still as of today, and it addresses several issues that have arisen. not just power,in fact that is not even a goal. the part that makes it easier is this part-

"• UNDER THE MAZDA SPECIAL PROGRAM (MSP04), ALL CURRENT DEALER INVENTORY AND RETAILED VEHICLES FOUND TO BE WITHIN THE ABOVE VIN RANGES, AND PRODUCED PRIOR TO MARCH 12, 2004, MUST BE INSPECTED AND REPAIRED ACCORDING
TO THE INSTRUCTIONS CONTAINED IN THIS SERVICE BULLETIN. THIS INCLUDES CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BROUGHT THEIR VEHICLE IN FOR NORMAL SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE AND/OR RECALL REPAIRS THAT MAY NOT BE RELATED TO THE CONCERNS OUTLINED IN THIS BULLETIN.
• BEFORE PERFORMING ANY REPAIR, VALIDATE THAT THE VEHICLE IS APPLICABLE TO THIS PROGRAM BY PERFORMING AN “eMDCS WARRANTY VEHICLE INQUIRY” AND VERIFYING THE VEHICLE DISPLAYS CAMPAIGN “MSP04”. SEE “VEHICLE INSPECTION PROCEDURE” BELOW.
Bulletin No: 01-022/04"

SEE? IT INSTRUCTS THEM TO CHECK THE VEHICLES VIN against the warrenty system and it will tell them if the car is under the MSP. also it instructs them to double check for the upgrade sticker and if it isnt in place to put one where it is supposed to be.

it works sort of like a recall but isn't madated by the government.

snap-on isn't as long winded as me ;)

..

Originally posted by rotary-convert
rx8cited,
Is it the same M flash or a modified one?
From what I've been hearing it's helping restore some of the "believed" lost power from the current M flash.

Why would it simply be an easier way to get the M? My reasoning is the "lack of power" in the subject of the TSB.

It's the same M-flash.

To avoid any confusion from your post, again, there's only one M-flash!

This TSB flat out says Mazda must reflash any RX-8s that come in regardless of whether the customer has any complaints or not.

Apparently the previous M-flash TSB was worded too weakly for some hard-headed service departments who were giving customers the run-around when they requested the M-flash.

rx8cited

Originally posted by zoom44
grr.. i have been posting about this for 5 days now. where have you people been?:D :p


Apparently, some of us have not been where you've been posting for the last 5 days, eh? This is the TSB thread after all :D.

roger that....
thanks rx8cited

But it is in this thread on the page prior to this one..

;)

My dealer just told me my stupid replacement AC amplifier won't be in from Japan until early-mid July... and I had them order it at least 2 weeks ago. You'd think Mazda would ramp up production and get them into the hands of the dealers prior to releasing the TSB...

They don't make the part...

I wonder how many were replaced by dealers simply because there was a TSB.

No flames please but some of these problems are self-inflicted.

If Mz estimates the number of parts they need to order and THEN 5000 people come into the dealer with TSB's in hand it can through the entire parts system out of whack.

IMHO

Originally posted by snap-on
They don't make the part...

I wonder how many were replaced by dealers simply because there was a TSB.

No flames please but some of these problems are self-inflicted.

If Mz estimates the number of parts they need to order and THEN 5000 people come into the dealer with TSB's in hand it can through the entire parts system out of whack.

IMHO

I'll agree with you on some parts (or ECU flashes) that this is what happens- but there is definitely something wrong with most people's AC systems. This was one of those things most of us were complaining about long before the TSB came out. I love my car and Mazda engineering in general is excellent, but to have not seen this AC cycling as a problem long before the car was released baffles me. On a hot day like today, it's like flipping a switch between hot and cool every 7 seconds or so...

Amen to that ^^^^
The first time I ever turned on my AC it started cycling.
This was at 150 miles a few months ago.
Self inflicted? Not a chance.
I've had the part (ac amp)on order for over a month now. The dealer didn't give me any trouble over it.

Originally posted by snap-on
They don't make the part...

I wonder how many were replaced by dealers simply because there was a TSB.

No flames please but some of these problems are self-inflicted.

If Mz estimates the number of parts they need to order and THEN 5000 people come into the dealer with TSB's in hand it can through the entire parts system out of whack.

IMHO

So Mazda will deny people the M-flash which costs essentially nothing but labor, but they'll hand out these $550 (MSRP) AC amps without verifying the car has problem? Mmmmm, what the hello is wrong with this picture?

Mazda issued the AC amp TSB and we've been complaining about the lack of cooling for a while now, so it should not be a big surprise that people would want the AC amp.

Mazda might not make the part, but I hope they have some leverage with their suppliers.

BTW, I'm also getting the mid-July ETA even though and I requested mine 3 weeks ago.

I agree.

Don't shoot the messenger.

And Mazda NEVER denied the "M" flash. Ignorant dealers did.

I did hear today the ETA was changed to 07/05

Originally posted by snap-on
.... I did hear today the ETA was changed to 07/05

No shots intended for the messenger ;) . I hope they're sending enough to fill the backlog, whatever that might be.

Thanks for the ETA update.

rx8cited

Originally posted by rx8cited
Apparently, some of us have not been where you've been posting for the last 5 days, eh? This is the TSB thread after all :D.

zoom44 and snap-on,

Oops, sorry, my short term memory failed me here. You did post right here in the TSB thread right here (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=392308#post392308).

I did see and appreciated that early info from both of you.

When Tommy puts the complete notices on the Rosenthal Service Bulletin web site (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html) in their final form, they have that official Mazda look with the logo and all :).

rx8cited

New TSB Posted:Solvent Cracks Appear on Rear Combination Light Lens and/or Front Side Marker Light Lens (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/09-021-04.html)

This thread is fantastic... I don't know how I missed it before. I printed out the Recall notifications and TSB's that applied to my VIN and took them to my dealer. They are fixing the temp control dial, airbag wiring harness, computer chip flash, transmission damper, engine grommets and the AC amplifier as we speak... and sent me home in a free loaner.

I guess that's how they make up for neglecting to send new owners the recall notification :p Anyway I gotta start hitting the forums more often so I don't miss this stuff!

there's been an update to the "room fuse" TSB. it looks to me like the only thing that changed is that the Mazda3 has now been included. here it is just in case.

09-023/04 2004 MAZDA3, 2004 RX8 - ROOM FUSE REMOVAL / INSTALLATION CAUTION
Note: This bulletin supersedes the following TSB(s): 09-016/03. Please update your records accordingly.

BULLETIN NOTE

This bulletin supersedes 09-016/03 issued 12/18/2003. The APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS has been modified.
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS

2004 Mazda3

2004 RX-8
DESCRIPTION
DTC P0562 and or P0882 may be stored in PCM memory after replacing the room fuse or removing and installing the battery cables.

The DVD Navigation system may not operate properly after replacing the room fuse or removing and installing the battery cables.

Observe the following points when servicing the room fuse or battery cables:


Make sure the ignition key is in the "OFF" position before removing / installing the room fuse or battery cables.
NOTE: If the ignition key is "ON" or in "ACC", when the room fuse or battery cables are removed and installed, the PCM may misjudge the system voltage or the battery voltage and DTC's P0562 (System Voltage Low KAM) or P0882 (Battery Voltage Low) may be stored in PCM memory and the MIL may illuminate. If P0562 pr P0882 are stored during PDI or maintenance and battery voltage is correct, clear the DTC(s).

NOTE: Record customer's radio pre-set stations before disconnecting battery cables.


Vehicles with Mazda DVD-Navigation: After installing the room fuse or battery cables, turn the ignition key to the "ACC" position for at least 5-seconds.
NOTE: After reconnecting battery cables and performing procedure, re-enter customer's radio pre-set stations.

NOTE: The Navigation system records initial voltage the first time the ignition is turned to "ACC" after the room fuse or battery cables are connected. If the ignition key is turned to start immediately after power is restored to the Navigation system, the following symptoms may occur when pressing the Navigation system "OPEN" button:


The display opens fully, but the screen remains blank. "TILT" and "CLOSE" do not work.

The display opens fully, then folds back slightly and the screen remains blank. "TILT" and "CLOSE" do not work.

The display opens fully and the screen comes on normally, but "TILT" and "CLOSE" do not work.

The display opens fully, then folds back slightly and the screen comes on normally, but "TILT" and "CLOSE" do not work.
If the above conditions are encountered with the DVD Navigation system after installing the room fuse or battery cables, perform the following steps:

Turn the ignition key to "OFF".

Remove the room fuse.

Wait more than 3-minutes, then install the room fuse.

Turn the ignition key to "ACC", and wait at least 5-seconds.
NOTE: Do not start the engine.


Turn the ignition key to "OFF".

All it did was add the Mazda3 to an existing bulletin for the 8.

okay - my 2 cents worth. I live in sunny south florida so it's hot all the time. Back in January I noticed the fluctuation. On my first visit I mentioned it to my "guy" and he said he felt it too when he took the 8 home for the weekend. Said I'm sure they'll come out with a tsb on it. Well not more than a week later I read the tsb here (thank you thank you). Had my son bring it in and they said no problem but they'd have to order the part but that wasn't my problem....it seemed a piece of paper had fallen behind the glove compartment and we blocking the return. So my son returned and I said - okay I'll give it a shot. Well the air is colder but the fluctuation is still there and I also find that it takes sooooooooo long to cool down after sitting in the sun for awhile. If I had any complaint at all about my RX-8 - that would be it but it pales in comparison to how much I love this car.

I just wanted to add my observations now that I got my a/c amplifier installed.

The system works a lot better. Still cycles but gets the car roughly 5 degrees F colder (only a guess). I can now drive the car to work without sweating.

For those who feel it takes the car a long time to cool down after being in the sun, that hasn't really improved with the new A/C amp; however, the best way to get it to cool down faster is to run the idle higher than normal and stay in lower gears thus keeping the RPM's up. This work with most cars but the RX-8 goes to 4K+ RPMs easy while with most other cars you are putting a little more stress on them.

At 4K+ RPMs the air will get cooler a lot faster, once the temp in the car is the way you want it, start driving normal again.

-Mr. Wigggles

Ps. My guess is that the A/C compressor is overgeared per se in its design to handle the RX-8's 9K redline. With the car idling at 900 or less RPM's that is simply too few turns on the compressor. Just a hunch.

We have been talking/wondering (in another thread) about the true policy on ReFlashing the ECU. What is your shops take on it and what do you do if I come in and want a reflash for any updates or improvements?


My dealer told me that when a customer comes in for any service they enter your VIN into the computer and in turn, their program checks your current flash and will recommend an ECU upgrade if one is available (if they have updated software that is). If it's available, they just do it.

It probably varies from shop to shop, but that's how my dealer does it.

I took my car in and told them about the AC not getting cold enough. I even brought in the TSB. Then they tell me my AC air temp is at 42 degrees and does notneed fixing at that temperature. Has anyone else run into this explanation? Since they have the means to actually measure the air coldness, I don't know what to do.

My dealer told me that when a customer comes in for any service they enter your VIN into the computer and in turn, their program checks your current flash and will recommend an ECU upgrade if one is available (if they have updated software that is). If it's available, they just do it.

It probably varies from shop to shop, but that's how my dealer does it.

some will do that others wont. But and let me make this very clear, ALL dealers are REQUIRED by MSP04 to update the pcm to the M calibration of ALL cars including DEALER INVENTORY and customer cars that fall within the specified VIn range or were built before MARCH 12th. even if the car has no symptoms as described in the bulletin. period. if they say no have them call the tech line in front of you. if they refuse get on the phone to Mazda customer service tell them what is going on and have them CALL THE DEALER. basically if it shows up when they input you VIN under warrenty work that needs to be done THEY HAVE TO DO IT! NO QUESTIONS ASKED!

sorry for the rant it just really annoys me that some dealers are not doing this because they are for some reason not informed and that some may still be be refusing to follow the instructions of the Bulletin.

on the ac thing they need to see that the AC cycles from cold air to "cool" or warm air for a few seconds. "not cold enough" is not really the complaint the ac amplifier TSB addresses. besides the amplifiers are still on backorder until late august i think it is now so they cant fix it even if they wanted to.

melladin,

Does your car qualify for the TSB? It is only cars with certain build dates that qualify.

Nevermind, it appears that you bought in August 2003 and live in the Northwest.

Do you really need the amplifier fixed? When it was 80 degrees this spring I didn't really need it.

The new amplifier will run your car compressor harder. You might lose maybe one MPG or so. Nothing comes for free.

-Mr. Wigggles

Updated this morning:

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

Or a direct link:

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/09-028-04.html

[QUOTE=RosenthalMazda]Updated this morning:

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

QUOTE]
This is interesting. I wonder if it could be the cause of my right rear taillight popping out of it's socket and resting in the lens bottom. After paying $30 to the dealer to have the lens unit removed and the bulb shaken out and reinstalled, I noticed it pop out again with a sharp "bing!!!" when I closed the trunk just a few days later. I was thinking that the bulb socket was at fault and needed an entire wiring loom, but maybe this TSB will prevent it from reoccuring.

P.S. I only learned of the bulb being out the first time after being followed by a friend, some 9 months and 23k miles after purchase. For all I know, it could have popped out during my first month of owenership.

a new TSB has been issued for a rattle in the driver's side airbag. anyone have this particular rattle?

Modified 08.26.2004 version Tire Pressure Monitoring System Service Tips (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/02-004-04.html) TSB posted several days ago.

Differences that I picked out vs 12.01.2003 version:
1) Page 2, added Tire Pressure Adjustment section.
2) Page 6, WARNING added that aftermarket wheels must be designed to accept TPMS sensors. Also FWIW warning states that TPMS system should not be disabled and warns of potential lawsuits that my result due to tire failure if TPMS disabled (please don't shoot the messenger ;) ).

rx8cited

Two new ones over the weekend just posted.

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

I wasn't going to complain about my seat dings from the belt, figured they'd be considered "normal wear", but good for Mazda for stepping up on that one.

I wonder what the new part is.....Perhaps a soft material in that area to prevent further scratching?

We have a similar problem with the seat belts causing some wear on the cloth seats, but I guess they don't consider that worth worrying about.

Wow, a TSB for the scratches on the seat backcover as well !!

Kudos for Mazda for taking care of a rather minor issue.

Guys-do these scratches originate from the seatbelt buckle hitting the seatback or the belt itself? Seems if one fully and carefully unbuckles and rolls up belt should prevent scratches and chips or this happen while one is driving?

Thanks,

Bob

Guys-do these scratches originate from the seatbelt buckle hitting the seatback or the belt itself? Seems if one fully and carefully unbuckles and rolls up belt should prevent scratches and chips or this happen while one is driving?

Thanks,

Bob


Yes Doc,

The front seat belts swing out and hit the back of the front seat when the rear doors are closed too hard.. At this point the parts are not hard to get.. I just hope they don't run out.

On another note there was a bulletin released yesterday addressing the brake squeek. Dealers are directed to order modified pads for the front brakes.

The parts must be ordered per VIN at this time so be patient.

BTW in a note on the bulletin it says this will be covered for 36/50?

Thanks, good news on the brake squealing. I need a printout of this to take to the dealer at my next service. Is there one available snap-on? They won't do anything without a printout.

Brakes

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04-006/04 2004 RX-8 - SQUEAL NOISE FROM FRONT BRAKES DURING BRAKING
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004 RX-8 - All models equipped with 18 inch wheels (12.7 inch diameter front discs)

DESCRIPTION
Some vehicles may experience a "squeal" noise from the front brakes when braking. This may be caused by the front brake pad material.

Customers having this concern should have their vehicle repaired using the following repair procedure.

REPAIR PROCEDURE
Verify customer concern.

Replace front brake pads with revised parts. See Workshop Manual section 04 - DISC PAD (FRONT) REPLACEMENT .

Verify repair.

PART(S) INFORMATION

Part Number

Description

Qty.

Notes


F1Y2-33-23Z

Front Pad & Shim Set

1




WARRANTY INFORMATION
NOTE:


This warranty information applies only to verified customer complaints on vehicles eligible for warranty repair. Refer to the SRT microfiche for warranty term information. Warranty terms for this repair have been extended to 36 months from vehicle in-service date or 50,000 accrued miles which ever occurs first.

Additional diagnostic time and rotor machining cannot be claimed for this repair.

Warranty Type

A


Symptom Code

35


Damage Code

9J


Process Number

E04001


Part Number Main Cause

F1Y2-33-23Z


Quantity

1


Operation Number / Labor Hours:

XX729XRX / 0.6 Hrs (Both Sides)




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Brakes

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04-006/04 2004 RX-8 - SQUEAL NOISE FROM FRONT BRAKES DURING BRAKING
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004 RX-8 - All models equipped with 18 inch wheels (12.7 inch diameter front discs)

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thanks for the post snap-on!
well i hope this solves the brake squeal many are experiencing.
now here's a pdf version for you guys that need to print it out.

Yes I'm alive BTW

:)

Yes I'm alive BTW
Thank God! We that are not mechanically inclined need your sage advice.

Bob

Great, thanks for the TSB, snap-on and Zoom44!