New Power Window Inoperative (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/09-035.html) TSB.

Has anyone here had a power window motor go bad on them? It sounds like the motors have to fail before getting replaced ....... what fun :rolleyes: that could be.

As always, thanks for the updates RosenthalMazda, snap-on, and zoom44.

rx8cited

i got the brake pads replaced for the squeaking issue, and its gone completely, and i thought the squeaking was coming from the back. Braking power is not noticeably diminished ( i hard stopped from 70 to test em out) nor do they have to turn the rotors...simple fix, good results.

funny how most of the TSB's are not mentioned as problems on this board.

i got the brake pads replaced for the squeaking issue, and its gone completely, and i thought the squeaking was coming from the back. Braking power is not noticeably diminished ( i hard stopped from 70 to test em out) nor do they have to turn the rotors...simple fix, good results.

Just what I wanted to hear... How many miles did you have on the old pads? Also, why would braking power be "noticeably diminished on new pads?"

That's because most companies including Mazda like to listen to "experts" who don't even own the product and perhaps drive more expensive cars that don't even relate to this car than listen to consumers who really have a genuine concern about the product. It's very typical...

Just what I wanted to hear... How many miles did you have on the old pads? Also, why would braking power be "noticeably diminished on new pads?"

i had 8400 miles and everyone was avoiding this fix because they a thought it was the back brakes and b thought that the new material would make less noise but be lower quality or higher in brake dust...havent noticed either in two days. and i drive hard too in those 8400 miles ive brought my tires down to 4/32nds and the brakes feel the same now.

I got the brake squeal fix and not is the brake squeal gone but the brake dust seems to be reduced as well.

I will look harder for dust in the upcoming days, but it seems to be reduced noticeably.

-Mr. Wigggles

Like Mr. Wiggles, I got new brake pads recently. No squeals -- but then again, my OE brakes didn't squeal at first. The day after the brake job, I went on a 1,000+ mile trip, and found not only the usual amount of brake dust but dust that seemed harder to wipe off with a paper towel (I do that after almost every outing).

As these brakes are new, I looked again at the procedure for break-in that has appeared on this forum and in Road & Track. I didn't have time to do it before the trip. A question: My front pads are new (1,000) miles, but the rears have over 12,000. Would the break-in be wrong for them? I would guess not, in part because they do much less of the work, particularly in hard braking, but I always feel better to have my hunches confirmed by experts.

Mitch

Mitch,

The brake dust I used to get was very heavy on the front wheels and almost none on the back wheels.

Now, after driving about 500 miles on these new pads and shims I get definitely less on the front than before. Now, the front wheels are only getting a little more dusty than the rear - definite improvement. (oh, and of coarse no squealing now either.)

Did you actually get the full TSB done or just "new" pads?

-Mr. Wigggles

To All,

I have no brake squeal problem. Better to leave well enough alone or change pads?

Thanks,

Bob

If you don't have it, your service department likely won't change it, so you probably don't have a choice until the squealing rears its ugly head.

Take in a dozen donuts and walk out with the pads..

DONUTS=GOOD

Snap-on...
What I don't understand is why it has been so hit and miss... I've heard of cars from the same production month that had horrible squealing brakes, yet I have never heard a peep out of mine. Did Mazda have different pad types they used, or has it been tracked down to climate/geography differences, etc?

For you guys that have had them replaced...
I have horrible brake dust, but my car stops like nothing I've ever driven... it's a trade off I'm happy with living with. With the newer pads generating less dust, do you guys that upgraded feel you have the same stopping power?

This has been a tough nut to crack....from what I hear all the pads where from the same source.

Some theories include the amount of rust on the rotor when thecars came off the ships and how the pads were first bedded.

I have a problem with the second one because I have 2 equally obsessive customers with early builds. (both of them are on this forum BTW)

One waited patiently until the new pads showed.

The other doesn't seem to have the problem.

And with several 8's on the road we have only replaced two sets

Either way I'm glad they came up with a fix.

G8r: I haven't tried to slam the brakes yet, but in regular driving, I feel like the brake performance is the same. Having replaced my brakes on my prior car, I remember feeling a difference in the amount of pressure I had to apply to make similar stops. Not so here. So far, I feel these pads perform almost exactly the same as the original ones. I've heard one person here mention concern in the durability of the new pads, but obviously I have no way of evaluating that at this point.

With the advantages of eliminated brake squeal and virtually no brake dust on the wheels now, I'm very satisfied with the fix so far.

Thanks to the posted TSB's, I just had the dealer replace my front brake pads due to excessive brake noise. The silence is wonderful.

Well they modified the MSP04 today..

Not gonna explain it....

Some cars appear to be going backwards..

Lets wait until Tommy puts it on the Finish line site before we discuss it.

Well they modified the MSP04 today..

Not gonna explain it....

Some cars appear to be going backwards..

Lets wait until Tommy puts it on the Finish line site before we discuss it.


Why tease us brother?

Well they modified the MSP04 today..

Not gonna explain it....

Some cars appear to be going backwards..

Lets wait until Tommy puts it on the Finish line site before we discuss it.


i think my car is a prime example, after the flash i was getting roughly 20 mpg, but now, im back to 16-17

i think my car is a prime example, after the flash i was getting roughly 20 mpg, but now, im back to 16-17Yeah, I am back to 10-12 so don't brag. Please don't misunderstand, I love my 8, but I bought it to be a daily driver and that has turned out to be an impossible task for the car.

Well they modified the MSP04 today..

Not gonna explain it....

Some cars appear to be going backwards..

Lets wait until Tommy puts it on the Finish line site before we discuss it.

snap-on,
It's there now : Engine No Start/Lack of Power - PCM Reflash - Revised 11/01/04 (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-022-04.htm)
Let the discussions begin or please tell us if they're going on in another thread.

rx8cited

heres the thread
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=43767

heres the thread
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=43767

Thanks ......

snap-on has not posted in that one yet, but has posted in this one on the same subject. Mods - consider combining the two threads? A never ending challange I bet ;).
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=43512

rx8cited

Squeal Noise From Front Brakes During Braking - Revised 11/08/04 (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/04-006.html)

Original TSB revised to now include applicable model and VIN information.

Squeal Noise From Front Brakes During Braking - Revised 11/08/04 (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/04-006.html)

Original TSB revised to now include applicable model and VIN information.


I took my car in with a copy of this service bulletin and they still refused to change the brakes out. :confused:

I took my car in with a copy of this service bulletin and they still refused to change the brakes out. :confused:
Were they able to make it squeak? If not they were following directions that say they have to validate your claim.

I took my car in with a copy of this service bulletin and they still refused to change the brakes out. :confused:

A) Does you car fall within the VIN range specified?
B) Do the brakes squeal?
C) What did they give you as a refusal reason?

I'm waiting until spring to have mine done. I hope the dealer does not refuse mine as I fall within the spec'd VIN and mine do squeal.

Man, dealers suck. I don't get how dealers are getting away with refusing work on cars with official Mazda TSBs on them.

I just spoke to my dealer "Twin City Mazda" in Alcoa Tn about the "M" Flash.He informed me that the factory has put a halt on it. Any one heard this? Thanks :eek:

I just spoke to my dealer "Twin City Mazda" in Alcoa Tn about the "M" Flash.He informed me that the factory has put a halt on it. Any one heard this? Thanks :eek:

Yeah, read all about it: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=45330

Were they able to make it squeak? If not they were following directions that say they have to validate your claim.


yup they said it was "normal for brakes to squeak" though and they did not receive the TSB so they were not obligated to change them.

yup they said it was "normal for brakes to squeak" though and they did not receive the TSB so they were not obligated to change them.I went in for a CEL and poor mileage (now down to 9-10 and getting worse) and mentioned in passing that I heard a squeal from the brakes the other day and when I got my car back, they had changed the gas cap for the CEL and replaced the front pads, with just me mentioning it in passing.

Of course they were still having problems with the WDS and the new flash not downloading to any cars and thus did not even attempt to address my mileage concerns stating that I would have to bring it back in when they could get the flash to download to a car. The guy even said that my mileage was probably normal.

So I still get about 120 miles to a tank of gas no matter how I drive.......................

but my breaks don't squeal. Nope they don't squeal at all. It's a wonder I heard them squeal that one time with all the yelling and screaming I do after filling up.:(

I went in for CEL, my mileage had been getting worse over the passed few fills, even before the light, the light was off when they looked at it, no codes in the computer.They said probably loose gas cap sent me on my way. I went back the next week after it came on numerous times this time they said I need a new catalytic converter. That was done friday and they flashed it(first time) even though I asked them to on previous visits. I'll see if mileage improves.

yup they said it was "normal for brakes to squeak" though and they did not receive the TSB so they were not obligated to change them.

I just got back from my dealer, and they changed out the front brake pads. They were squealing like a bitch since the start of the month. I thought it was the change in the weather, but they said there was a TSB, listed from at least 11/08/2004. Can't you tell I'm not on the boards as often? :o

btb there is a new part number coming for replacement batteries. CCAs are going way up.

Is this what you're referring to--640CCA?

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/01-042-04.htm

The lastest battery will actually be 690cca.

btb there is a new part number coming for replacement batteries. CCAs are going way up.

No shit!

I left my lights on for an hour an 15 minutes to light up a basketball court (HID and fogs - NO high beams). The HIDs went off after the 75 minutes so I then went to start the car and it was in fact dead. ~20 amp hours to make the battery dead? (or roughly equal to only 50 minutes of "Reserve Capacity")

Man, that is wimpy.

-Mr. Wigggles

Great idea zoom, splitting this thread. Not sure this part deserves sticky status though........

Great idea zoom, splitting this thread. Not sure this part deserves sticky status though........
I agree, sticky status not needed especially since I now feel as though I hijacked the main thread. I'll keep my mouth shut from now on.

i had thought about it some time ago but it was pointed out to me again recently by anotehr forum member. i realize this bit has gone astray from the main topic of late but since there has been activity lately i figured id leave it stickied for a few more days so i wouldnt get alot of pm's asking where it went:)

just found a busted place on my defroster button - the very edge is split and a small sliver is completely broken off. Is this covered under warranty or are they gonna try to make me pay for it?

There is a service bulletin about cracked buttons... check the tech section for the TSB's..


EDIT:
The bulletin I found is about the knobs but I have seen many pictures of cracked buttons too...

Goto The Tech Garage > Issues & Problems > STICKY: Technical Service Bulletins...

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/index.html

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=368742&postcount=47

It's covered..

thanks so much.

I got mine replace and since it's a warranty claim..free rental car too

They replaced mine, too, free of charge.

New link to the TSB's:

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins_index.html

I've noticed this for a while but thought maybe it was a one time thing. My A/C will not stay at a consistent temp. It will fluctuate between cold and what feels like NO a/c (like what it would feel like if the fan was on). Its most noticable obviously in the day when its hot outside. Anyone else experience this? It'll blow for maybe 6 seconds cold then 6 seconds not then 6 seconds cold.

N8, there's been a TSB out for a while on this issue: http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/pdf/07-002-04-1338.pdf

i have the same thing.......going to the dealer tomorow

It's a common problem. Do a search on "A/C" in thread titles.

I got the A/C Amp replaced as specified in the TSB. It is a lot better but is still not what I would consider to be one of the car's high points.

I tried to get it replaced...they told me they could not reproduce it. :mad:

I got my A/C amp replaced & it still doesn't produce cold air. The damn dealer ship didn't even test it after they replace the damn A/c amp. I didn't test it that day I got the car back because it was damn cold!Going to bring it back to dealership after I pick up my car from the audio shop.Dman A/C been giving me alot of problems.It never works when it's hot & all of a sudden it works when you don't need it!

I took my 8 in for the a/c TSB and told them it would cycle cold/hot/cold/hot repeatedly. They replaced the a/c amplifier but said it continued to have the same problem. My service ticket says they contacted the tech line and were told to replace the evaporator and expansion valve, which they did, and I would say the result is much better.
That said, I still don't think this a/c is the strongest part of this car. With such a small cabin, you'd think they could turn it into a freezer if they wanted. We'll see just how good the a/c is as it goes through a real Florida summer (May thru October).

I took my 8 in for the a/c TSB and told them it would cycle cold/hot/cold/hot repeatedly. They replaced the a/c amplifier but said it continued to have the same problem. My service ticket says they contacted the tech line and were told to replace the evaporator and expansion valve, which they did, and I would say the result is much better.
That said, I still don't think this a/c is the strongest part of this car. With such a small cabin, you'd think they could turn it into a freezer if they wanted. We'll see just how good the a/c is as it goes through a real Florida summer (May thru October).


It's already getting close to 90!! The other day it was just really pronounced. I never knew there was a TSB out on it though..I'll add it to my list when i have the car in on thursday

I tried to get it replaced...they told me they could not reproduce it. :mad:
Klegg--I sort of had the same problem. My a/c is mediocre, but when I tried to get the TSB done, they did not do it b/c apparently the TSB also says that if you turn on Recirc and put the a/c on its coldest setting, and it in fact pushes out cold air, then there's no problem and the dealer should not make the fix.

yup...that is what they did to me. I guess it is noty that big a deal in NJ..but they should just fix the dam thing.

The only way to fix it is to buy a heat shield:
Tube or Wrap

Place it over the A/C tube against the firewall. It is the exposed aluminum tube.

http://www.thermotec.com/products/products.html

Is there a way to fix the link in the sticky TSB thread? It shows the correct address in the text, but takes you to the wrong address. It takes you to

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/index.html

instead of

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins_index.html

I don't usually check this forum and I just realized that i have the brake squeaky problem tha'ts on the bulletin. My car's 1 yr and 2 month old.. and has 9600 miles. Do you guys think i can fix this brake problem with warranty? I heard it's one year or something like that.

I don't usually check this forum and I just realized that i have the brake squeaky problem tha'ts on the bulletin. My car's 1 yr and 2 month old.. and has 9600 miles. Do you guys think i can fix this brake problem with warranty? I heard it's one year or something like that.
Print out the service bulletin and take it along with your car to a dealer. If they value their customers, they will take care of it. If they don't, take it to another dealer. Some dealerships are customer oriented--others are not. Some go strictly by the book--others are more cooperative and helpful. Your objective should be to find one of the "good guys" and then patronize them in the future.

Is there a way to fix the link in the sticky TSB thread? It shows the correct address in the text, but takes you to the wrong address. It takes you to

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/index.html

instead of

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins_index.html

This still needs fixing. The first link doesn't work.

sorry about that folks. i wasnt paying attention. link is fixed in the sticky now. i just tried it and it worked for me. check to make sure it works for you now.

Hmmm, like your work :) .

I don't usually check this forum and I just realized that i have the brake squeaky problem tha'ts on the bulletin. My car's 1 yr and 2 month old.. and has 9600 miles. Do you guys think i can fix this brake problem with warranty? I heard it's one year or something like that.

That TSB for the squeaky brakes also says for them to extend the coverage time for the brakes that are squeaking to 36 months or 50,000 miles. This tells me they know they are a problem.

The only way to fix it is to buy a heat shield:
Tube or Wrap

Place it over the A/C tube against the firewall. It is the exposed aluminum tube.

http://www.thermotec.com/products/products.htmlSo many products/possibilities! Can you name which product(s) to order and perhaps the size? Is it the THERMO-SLEEVE? http://www.thermotec.com/products/full/14005/14005.html Do you need to remove the pipe, slip the sleeve over it, and recharge the system? Or, do you use their other THERMO-FLEX, sliced lengthwise, or MICRO LOUVER AIR SHIELD products then taped up with THERMO SHIELD or THERMO SHIELD ULTRA? Thanks!

I just had the check engine light come on this morning and took it into Earnhardt Mazda in AZ. When I get a call from the service guy, he tells me I can pick it up because it needed a new part, I proceed to ask him that part and he tells me he has ordered a new engine?!?!?!

He said there was a service bulletin out that states a problem with coolant leaking into the engine, and that mine had shown some signs....

My questions are this:

First, was there really a TSB that stated this that came out recently?

Second, should I worry about letting them change the engine? Mine has 10k miles but this sounds too good to be true.

Lastly, are there any problems that can come up if I have them do this? Basically, I guess I am asking is what would you all do in this situation?

Thanks in advance for your post!

ok well I've had my car for literally JUST over a year, within days (about 17k). Of course just recently the brakes started squeaking (or maybe they have been but I haven't noticed with my windows up in the winter) AND my steering wheel airbag cover just started rattling. Both are mentioned in TSB's and I made an appointment for next Friday to have them checked out. My question is, what kind've information should I go in there with? Do they HAVE to fix these problems since they're mentioned in the TSB's or is it at their discretion? This is my first time taking it into the dealership since I've gotten it because it's the first real problems I've had with the car, aside from a cracked windshield, but that was from a rock in the road, hardly warranty material. I'm hoping I have no problem and they just do it but if they give me problems, should I fight it?

I also have that annoying rear window rattle that some people seem to have, but that's not in a TSB yet and I'm just going to ask them to look at it.

Also, I'm going to Maple Shade Mazda, anyone have any good/bad experiences with them?

Thanks all
-Greg

ok well I've had my car for literally JUST over a year, within days (about 17k). Of course just recently the brakes started squeaking (or maybe they have been but I haven't noticed with my windows up in the winter) AND my steering wheel airbag cover just started rattling. Both are mentioned in TSB's and I made an appointment for next Friday to have them checked out. My question is, what kind've information should I go in there with? Do they HAVE to fix these problems since they're mentioned in the TSB's or is it at their discretion? This is my first time taking it into the dealership since I've gotten it because it's the first real problems I've had with the car, aside from a cracked windshield, but that was from a rock in the road, hardly warranty material. I'm hoping I have no problem and they just do it but if they give me problems, should I fight it?

I also have that annoying rear window rattle that some people seem to have, but that's not in a TSB yet and I'm just going to ask them to look at it.

Also, I'm going to Maple Shade Mazda, anyone have any good/bad experiences with them?

Thanks all
-Greg
It wouldn't hurt to print out the service bulletins that apply to your VIN and take them with you. Some of the service bulletins are more or less mandatory fixes, and some are not. Many of those that are not mandatory, instruct the dealer to verify the problem themselves before applying the "fix". For example, if the dealer doesn't hear the brakes squealing, he may not want to replace the pads under warranty. Some dealers are hard nosed about verifying the problem and others are not. So, you never know how a given dealer will handle some warranty work.

There doesn't have to be a service bulletin for you to ask a dealer to fix something--like your window rattle. If they can verify the problem, they will generally fix it under warranty.

I also have that annoying rear window rattle that some people seem to have, but that's not in a TSB yet and I'm just going to ask them to look at it.


Could this (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/pdf/09-011-04-1331a.pdf) be it? "REAR QUARTER WINDOW GLASS LOCK BECOMES LOOSE"

Could this (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/docs/pdf/09-011-04-1331a.pdf) be it? "REAR QUARTER WINDOW GLASS LOCK BECOMES LOOSE"

I thought it might be that but it comes from the rear window area

I took my 8 to the dealership (Maple Shade Mazda) and asked them to look at 3 things:

1. Rattle from driver-side airbag cover on steering wheel
2. Brake Squeak
3. Rattle from rear window

Well, they fixed the brake squeaking so that's good. They couldn't recreate the rattle from the airbag (probably because it only happens at speeds of 55+). And they tried to fix the rattle from the rear window but it's still there. This is by far the most frustrating thing because after reading the forums, other people definitely have the same problem and yet, there is still no fix. :mad:

Hello All,

I could use some help, Rosenthal's sight (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins_index.html) used to have a PDF which discussed the free maintanence schedule / contract some early pre-order members opted for when the horsepower was incorrectly stated. Does anybody have a copy of this document?

Thanks in advance,
-BV

Hello All,

I could use some help, Rosenthal's sight (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins_index.html) used to have a PDF which discussed the free maintanence schedule / contract some early pre-order members opted for when the horsepower was incorrectly stated. Does anybody have a copy of this document? If so, could you please point out where I can find it, or if possible, email it to STORE0001@comcast.net.

Thanks in advance,
-BV

It was a Warranty Bulletin

Category AD....Number 47 ...effictive 9/29/03

It is 10 pages but I have no scanner....sorry

Is there anybody else that can lend a hand and send me the BMP files of the free maintenance schedule / contract?

Thanks!!!

It was a Warranty Bulletin

Category AD....Number 47 ...effictive 9/29/03

It is 10 pages but I have no scanner....sorry

Is there anybody else that can lend a hand and send me the BMP files of the free maintenance schedule / contract?

Thanks!!!

Hope gif format works for you - 8 files total.

Hope gif format works for you - 8 files total.

Last 3 files:

Last 3 files:Thanks, not sure how I missed it, I had given up hope. :o

I have tried to access http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins.html but it no longer works (?) Has anyone else tried recently to connect to Finishline's TSB documents?

They seem to have completely revamped their website, and the service bulletins are gonzo.....

S

Tommy's already posted that it's on his "to do" list and should be back up soon.

Nice.

if i take my RX-8 to the dealer with the printed tsb's in hand are they supposed to fix the applicable problems nder warranty if my VIN is within range and they can duplicate the problem?

I have two issues

1) I have the steering wheel rattle coming from the airbag compartment
2) I have the dash light on that has something to do with headlights not working properly. I think it has something to do with the auto-adjustment/calibration motor not working properly.

I have an '04. If I took it to the Mazda dealership, would they do these fixes for me for free?

I have two issues

1) I have the steering wheel rattle coming from the airbag compartment
2) I have the dash light on that has something to do with headlights not working properly. I think it has something to do with the auto-adjustment/calibration motor not working properly.

I have an '04. If I took it to the Mazda dealership, would they do these fixes for me for free?

There is a TSB for the airbag rattle.
The light on the dash is the rear height sensor malfunction. If you take your sensor apart and find the springs are badly corroded - PM me. I have a collection of the correct springs designed for the sensor.
You need to clean the area thoroughly and replace the springs.
If your sensor is screwed beyond all repair i MAY be able to get my hands on a nice replacement one.

You are likely out of warranty, don't expect too much help from the dealership!

www.finishlineperformance.com is gone apparently.

New Link:

http://parts.arlingtonmazda.com/pages/RX8.html

Although some that I recall are missing now.