I have 5000 dollar to spend on my next mod, but i don't know if supercharge better for the rx8 or the turbo is better? can anyone tell me what company make any of those or tell me which you think is good for rx8?

They're not even out yet.

i recommend the turbonator...

i recommend the turbonator...


That’s funny.


On a serious note, take your money and improve the handling of your car. At this time there are no kits for the 8. There will be some stuff coming out soon, but it will be unreliable, and a warranty voider. Your best bet is to give it some time, let someone else figure out what works (and doesn't work) and when you warranty has run out, invest in a kit.

I have 5000 dollar to spend on my next mod, but i don't know if supercharge better for the rx8 or the turbo is better? can anyone tell me what company make any of those or tell me which you think is good for rx8?
hmm.... do u know what kind of ride do u want ur 8 to be ?! cuz ... supercharger and turbocharger car are different.!! so .. u mind think about what kinda ride u want to drive.!! and the other question is...!! it's not much turbocharger and superchager available now..!! like superchager I know ssr and speedforceracing and ptp has it..!! and .. seems like not really available now..!! and the supercharger right now I know is sunflower's. and some other stores forgot the name sorry!! ha.. but u can get some info from some expert!! (5k.! seems like not enough for current..maybe u can mod it later..!!) :D anyway..!! my suggestion is.. drive safe

if you had to go with tc or sc... i would go with SC... ur car will feel more natural...

NA is your best bet in my opinion.

Given that the rotary puts out a lot through the exhaust, and must be driven at high revs to get any power, I think there isn't much problem with a turbo. Especially since you can have the turbo kicking in around 3500 rpm.

Nothing wrong with a supercharger, but they tend to cost more.

either setup will give you increase in horse power. and void the warranty. the turbo typically produces more power but at the cost of waiting for spool up. the supercharger on the other hand though not producing as much power, you don't have to wait for it. the supercharger is belt driven instead of exhaust like the turbo. if you are looking for a strait line from a stop i suggest the sc. if you are doing autocross where you keep the engine in the power range the the turbo is the better choice. i was talking with a mazda dealer mechanic last night and he told me there will be a mazdaspeed turbo coming out in the next year or two. that would be the best choice as it would not void the warranty

"best" is subjective. We all know how reliable rumors are at the mazda dealerships, and secondly the mazdaspeed turbos are never cutting edge, the aftermarket turbos will assuredly be better in terms of power gained.

A turbo is not better for autocross. In autocross you are in lots of tight turns with lots of on/off throttle situations. I have seen shortening of times of over 2 seconds on short courses with the same driver running similar cars with a supercharger being quicker than a turbocharger and supercharger making less power. Turbochargers tend to have the edge on higher speed tracks where you are running embanked high speed turns rather than really tight turns in 1-2 and sometimes 3rd gear. Throttle response is extremely important in autocross and turbochargers just can't touch superchargers.

A turbo is not better for autocross. In autocross you are in lots of tight turns with lots of on/off throttle situations. I have seen shortening of times of over 2 seconds on short courses with the same driver running similar cars with a supercharger being quicker than a turbocharger and supercharger making less power. Turbochargers tend to have the edge on higher speed tracks where you are running embanked high speed turns rather than really tight turns in 1-2 and sometimes 3rd gear. Throttle response is extremely important in autocross and turbochargers just can't touch superchargers.

You hit the nail on the head. I personally would prefer the turbo, but I have been driving, tuning, and building turbo cars since the Grand National, I'm somewhat biased. I'm not sure I would call superchargers more natural though, have you driven a late model Cobra, not to natural. My original sequentials felt much smoother. I like to think turbos are more suited for high revving engines. Where as, sc's are at home on an American V8. Without a doubt though, turbos have far more potential for streetability and power in a congruent factor.

While you're waiting for a mod to void your warranty and to be a guinea pig for a scam artist who promises you 500 hp and 700 ft/lb of torque, I happen to know a Nigerian, a former government official who needs help gaining access to his millions in a Swiss bank. If you'll send him your $5000 he can make you rich beyond your wildest dreams. PM if you're interested. :rolleyes:

I done everything to the car already, i got new mazdaspeed bodykit, tein flexiable coilover with edfc, and carbon fiber hood and spoiler, aftermarket rims, K&N intake, B&Bexhaust, SR pulley,nology sparkpulge, hyperground wire and voltage battery, i done everything possible for the 8, so i don't know what to do with the 5000 dollar, that's my chrismas gift from my parents :) best gift so far:) is super charge good for drive on the regular road? i just want some speed for fun.

By the way Jsh1120, i don't really need anymore money because my family already have million of dollars, don't really need more cash :)

By the way Jsh1120, i don't really need anymore money because my family already have million of dollars, don't really need more cash :)

Share the love with me then..............

I done everything to the car already, i got new mazdaspeed bodykit, tein flexiable coilover with edfc, and carbon fiber hood and spoiler, aftermarket rims, K&N intake, B&Bexhaust, SR pulley,nology sparkpulge, hyperground wire and voltage battery, i done everything possible for the 8, so i don't know what to do with the 5000 dollar, that's my chrismas gift from my parents :) best gift so far:) is super charge good for drive on the regular road? i just want some speed for fun.

By the way Jsh1120, i don't really need anymore money because my family already have million of dollars, don't really need more cash :)


No one will be seeing any turbo kit put on your car... or supercharger.... get back into your stock civic with the big ass wing and get the hell out of this forum

dam u're one lucky 16 y/o. Hope u earned it.

No one will be seeing any turbo kit put on your car... or supercharger.... get back into your stock civic with the big ass wing and get the hell out of this forum

:eek: A bit harsh aren't we?

I suppose photos of your supposed modded ride would be good.........

I wasnt planning on having to buy a new set oftires after a little overa year of ownership so itlooks like the F/I business isgoing to be pushed back a couple months for me. Notlike it matters much though as therestill arent any signs of when the hell somebody is going to getone of these kits out on the US market.

Besides - atthis point Ive learned tolive w/the fact that Ihave a great looking 16 second vehicle.

...By the way Jsh1120, i don't really need anymore money because my family already have million of dollars, don't really need more cash :)

There is a reason that family fortunes are frequently pissed away by the second and third generations. :)

I done everything to the car already, i got new mazdaspeed bodykit, tein flexiable coilover with edfc, and carbon fiber hood and spoiler, aftermarket rims, K&N intake, B&Bexhaust, SR pulley,nology sparkpulge, hyperground wire and voltage battery, i done everything possible for the 8, so i don't know what to do with the 5000 dollar, that's my chrismas gift from my parents :) best gift so far:) is super charge good for drive on the regular road? i just want some speed for fun.

By the way Jsh1120, i don't really need anymore money because my family already have million of dollars, don't really need more cash :)

I love how you took a forum that started with a good debate on when/where/how a supercharger/turbocharger would be more effective, and then opened the door for people to flame you. So here's my cheap shot...
I appreciate how your parents worked hard to earn that money, but I am saddened to see how poorly they have reared such an arrogant son. Instead of $5k for christmas, I think you would be better off with a few grammer lessons. Also, I agree with one of the posters above me. Your probably full of crap and do not even own an 8. If you do... where are the pics?

Well, perhaps English isn't his first language, and even if it is, proper grammar and internet conversations don't necessarily go hand in hand. A majority of posters on this board have never posted pics of their car, but do not get questioned as to whether or not they actually own an 8. Let's lighten up a little here. The thread was actually semi productive until the flamers started.

Ah, once again the OFE syndrom rears it's head.

Why in my day, we had to drive american cars! through the snow! uphill! While peeing in a glass to cool them!

Now for the original question posed, if you want more of a easygoing power gain, I think a SC would be better suited for you. You'll have to get someone to custom plumb it as of now, and it will probably be over 5 grand, but then again, that shouldnt be a problem from what you say.

Then again, I've never driven or ridden in a SC powered rotary car, so what do I know.

first things first- get rid of the K&N intake. it aint helping you and might be hurting you. put the stock back on. then wait for an sc or tc kit that comes with an intake designed for that kit. turbos seem to be on the verge of making it to the market slightly ahead of the superchargers. if you cant wait and you have gobs of money to throw away, look in theAustralian section for a turbo that is almost ready there. if you can wait then i say wait until Richard Paul has his axial flow supercharger ready- its going to be really cool.:)

Haha.. millions of dollars yet you have a $5000 budget.. that sucks.

An injection of funds would speed my unit to market. For sure the major sponsor would be the first with the best. Maybe you need a personal engine developer. Not cheap but I can be bought.
PM for a resume'

I would like to agree with the above postings that mentioned how SC is good for certain applications, and Turbos are better for others. Straightine vs AutoCross Style Drivin vs Roadracings vs Daily Driving. What type of application are you looking for can deem which route is best for you.

Englisn is not my first language :( I am from China, and i do have a 8, it's in the shop getting the suspension done, i am pick it up in 12/23, i'll post my car on cardomain. Sorry if i made u guys feel mad. hate the game not the player :) i'll post picture soon as possible after i get it back this week :) Did i mention i am 16 ?so the 5000 dollar is my budget. Also i work in VONs, it's great place for first job, i save up a lot money , so u hater should stfu. I forget tell u guys, i got little accident last month, and i got few picture to show u guys :p damn, can someone tell me how to post picture on this forum, can't find the button for it. if you want i can send you the picture by email. Here is two picture of my crashed 8 in car domain.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/707375

Now you really opened the door... Trying.... hard... not to say something...

I have 5000 dollar to spend on my next mod, but i don't know if supercharge better for the rx8 or the turbo is better? can anyone tell me what company make any of those or tell me which you think is good for rx8?
Forget making your car faster - right now, it's already faster than you are. By that, I mean that your driving skills are not capable of handling the speed the car already has (don't argue, you've already proved that).

What you need to do is make YOU faster, not your car. You need to learn how to drive - properly. With $5K, you could attend several performance driving schools, like Skip Barber, Bob Bondurant, Jim Russell, etc. offer. They put you in a real track-set up car, and teach you all about how to find the limits of the car and drive quickly and safely. Those courses will make you faster, they'll make you SAFER, and thus they will make EVERY CAR you ever drive or own from now on faster.

I'm serious - forget the Fast'n'Furious Crap you're pursuing with your current mod plans. Learn how to be a faster, better, safer, driver FIRST. You need to.

Regards,
Gordon

:eek: This can't be a serious thread-- :o well if it is, driving school and performance driving school is your first step. Dare I ask how the accident happened?

If I were you after seeing those photos I would get a big rubber tyre and put it around my car. You obviously drive it like it is a dodge-em car. I agree with the comment that you should take the 5 grand and invest in driving lessons and do some track time, you will kill yourself if you are not careful.

That accident is not my fail because it's some drunk guy run red light, and i hit his back, and he was kept driving away, so he did hit and run. The police still try to find that vehincle, after they find him, he maybe going to pay for the repair :) I do want to go some drifting school, can someone tell me where they have it around san diego ? i would be happy to go :)

I do want to go some drifting school, can someone tell me where they have it around san diego ? i would be happy to go :)
Please read what I wrote again - drifting school is NOT a performance driving school. You need to learn how to DRIVE, before you bother learning how to jack around.

Again - drifting is NOT performance driving. It's stunt driving. Knowing how to drift will do nothing to improve your driving skills in everyday driving and traffic. No, I'm not talking about street racing either, because that's incredibly stupid. I'm talking about being able to handle your vehicle in emergency maneuvres, like accident avoidance. Nobody ever says "Hey, that guy just stopped suddenly, I'll throw the car into a drift to avoid him".

Check out Bondurant, Skip Barber, Jim Russell, etc. Get involved with autocross, not drifting. Those schools will make you a better driver. Drifting won't. Once you're a better driver (2 or 3 years, if you attend 1 or 2 schools per year and autocross regularly), then consider getting into drifting.

Regards,
Gordon

That accident is not my fail because it's some drunk guy run red light, and i hit his back, and he was kept driving away, so he did hit and run...Sounds more like "he (got) hit and run." Hope you'll save this thread and look back on it in a few years. I think (hope) you'll understand at that point what an ass you appear to be. Console yourself with the thought that many of us were similarly afflicted at your age. ;)

Sounds more like "he (got) hit and run." Hope you'll save this thread and look back on it in a few years. I think (hope) you'll understand at that point what an ass you appear to be. Console yourself with the thought that many of us were similarly afflicted at your age. ;)
blah blah blah, thanx ass, i know u are just jeoulus because i am 16 and i got an 8 and u have to work your whole life to get one. TOo bad for u sucker, and don't put the hatred on me because u are a loser. I don't think drive school help anyone, it only teach u how to drive the speed limit and drive like a old person. I rather get in to a crash then go to a driving school, what a waste of time and money. I get into a crash , i don't pay for it, someone else will pay, so you think i care? once again, hate the game not the player.

I might have thought that, but now I hate the player.

...and hang onto to this thread. If, in a few years, you realize what a jerk you are, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you grew up. If not, and you haven't wrapped yourself around a telephone pole (or worse), you'll know you haven't. Good luck, son. You're gonna need it.

blah blah blah, thanx ass, i know u are just jeoulus because i am 16 and i got an 8 and u have to work your whole life to get one. TOo bad for u sucker, and don't put the hatred on me because u are a loser.The funny thing about this is that the last time I recall reading a similar discussion, the teenager said exactly the same thing as you.

For many of us, it's not a matter of working our whole life to get an RX-8 - the RX-8 is priced pretty cheaply. I think the average price of an car in the united states is around 30k. It's a matter of deciding if we want to buy one or not.

blah blah blah, thanx ass, i know u are just jeoulus because i am 16 and i got an 8 and u have to work your whole life to get one. TOo bad for u sucker, and don't put the hatred on me because u are a loser. I don't think drive school help anyone, it only teach u how to drive the speed limit and drive like a old person. I rather get in to a crash then go to a driving school, what a waste of time and money. I get into a crash , i don't pay for it, someone else will pay, so you think i care? once again, hate the game not the player.

Wow, I really pity our youth if this is the general attitude most of them have.

On another note, I am going to go with a supercharger since I believe it would be better for ME since I use my 8 for autocrossing. A supercharger delivers power consistantly throughout the RPM band where as a Turbocharger is mostly on the top end of the RPM spectrum.

Wow, I really pity our youth if this is the general attitude most of them have...Two reasons for optimism. First, I know a number of considerably more mature 16 y/o's than is in evidence here. (Actually, I've met a number of elementary school kids with greater maturity. :) ) Second, I suspect most of us will admit that our views at 16 underwent significant change within a few years. Our young friend will, in all likelihood grow up, much as we all did. ;)

I don't think drive school help anyone, it only teach u how to drive the speed limit and drive like a old person. I rather get in to a crash then go to a driving school, what a waste of time and money.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You really have NO fucking clue, you know? Go READ what I wrote about driving schools - you see the specific names I mentioned? Those are NOT your high school drivers ed classes - those are strap-your-know-nothing-ass into a race car and head out on a race track performance driving schools. They teach you performance driving.
Take a minute to pull your head out of your ass, stop dreaming about ridiculous Fast'n'Furious nonsense and dorifto stunt driving bullshit, and check out these web sites for REAL PERFORMANCE DRIVING SCHOOLS:
The Bob Bondurant School (http://www.bondurant.com)
Skip Barber Racing School (http://skipbarber.com)
The Jim Russell Racing School (http://jimrussell.com)

Right now, it's painfully obvious from your attitude and ignorance that you are a dangerous driver - dangerous because you don't know how to drive (sure you can step on the gas, brake, and steer - that's NOT real driving), but you think you're hot stuff. It would be hilarious to see you get your ass handed to you at an autocross where you'd realize how little you know, how bad a driver you are right now, and how much there is for you to learn about performance driving.

You should really lose the attitude and take some well-intentioned advice - we were all 16 at one time, and we remember how we thought we were great drivers just like you do now. We also can look back with embarrassment at how little we actually knew and how stupid we were - just like you now.

Best of luck, warn me if you're ever coming to this part of Canada so I can stay well away from the roads you're on! :p

Regards,
Gordon

You should really lose the attitude and take some well-intentioned advice - we were all 16 at one time, and we remember how we thought we were great drivers just like you do now. We also can look back with embarrassment at how little we actually knew and how stupid we were - just like you now.

Amen, at 16 I thought I was the shiznit.. until I rear ended 3 cars in 6 months.. But I learned my lesson and wised up. No accidents or tickets in 13 years ;)

but he'll learn his lesson pretty quick once his insurance ends up higher than the tuition at any college ;)

Why do people insist on talking as though turbochargers are not superchargers? Turbochargers are just centrifugal superchargers that are driven by exhaust gasses.

I'm 17 and i try to keep it safe. my parents pay for me, so yea i realize im a spoiled brat, but that makes me be extra careful. dont want to have my parents pay for my bad shit.

as for this turbo or super... i'd go super just because of the spread of power throughout. but the higher power of the turbo is tempting... ;)

I'm 17 and i try to keep it safe. my parents pay for me, so yea i realize im a spoiled brat, but that makes me be extra careful. dont want to have my parents pay for my bad shit.

as for this turbo or super... i'd go super just because of the spread of power throughout. but the higher power of the turbo is tempting... ;)

I suspect that if you want to achieve the objective stated in your first paragraph, your best strategy is to avoid either one, at least for awhile. :)

HAHAH good one jsh1120

i'm guessin' you're right :p

Why you take this so serious, i just asking if i should get sc or turbo, and u guys start talking shit and start the hatred. you guys are not helping here, you guys just act like ass hole, not answer the question and talking gay shit. and why some of u say i am not careful driver, it's the guy who run red light, not me. i would listen to you guys warning, but i am still getin the supercharge :) no one can stop me. i'll drive more careful on the street next time, thank you guys being so nice to me ... :)

Why you take this so serious, i just asking if i should get sc or turbo, and u guys start talking shit and start the hatred. you guys are not helping here,

We take any requests for advice seriously.

We're not talking shit - the advice to skip forced induction power and focus on improving your driving skills so that you can handle the power you've already got, never mind the power you want, is extremely good advice. You're the one talking shit about drifting etc, and completely ignoring what a good performance driving school could do for you.

Again - learning performance driving skills will make your RX-8 faster, it will make any car YOU drive faster, it will also make you safer. Guaranteed. Think that's shit talk? You're wrong.

No hatred - just trying to offer advice for YOUR benefit. Ignore it to your detriment. We are helping, even if it isn't what you want to hear, it's still the best advice you'll receive as far as modifications to your car are concerned. So it might not be as cool to your friends? Forget them - when it comes to cars and performance, chances are they are just as ignorant and learned all they know (relatively nothing) from Fast'n'Furious etc. Be smarter than them - improve your driving skills. Then challenge them to an autocross, and blow their doors off. Now THAT is cool. :cool:

Regards,
Gordon

No point in having the extra horses if you don't know how to control them.............

whew! so...turbo charger or super charger, whaddaya think?

whew! so...turbo charger or super charger, whaddaya think?

Does it even matter anymore?
Just give me something, anything will do.

whew! so...turbo charger or super charger, whaddaya think? Well, since turbochargers ARE superchargers, the question ought to be: "What kind of supercharger?"
The answer depends on what you wnat to do with the car.

Street driver? Probably a mechanically-driven positive-displacement supercharger.

Racer? Depends a whole lot on what kind of racing and the rules (if any) of your racing organisation (if any).

A turbosupercharger (yes, that's the whole name of it) will probably give you the highest peak horsepower of all, but may not have the best driveability.. good chance that this is the best choice for racing IF your racing organisation allows it -- and some of them don't!

A mechanically-driven centrigfugal blower will give you good high RPM HP, but not as high as a turbo -- but the turbo will have that annoying lag (not as bad as it used to be, but there's still some there even on the best of them).

A mechanically-driven positive-displacement blower will give you the best low-end HP and good HP "under the curve" across the RPM band, but it will drop off at the high RPMs. This is good for street use -- you get the power down where you usually drive.

The axial-flow blower looks to be a good match for the rotary engine, but we will have to wait to see for sure.

If you don't think, that you can improve your driving check out the Laguna Seca Run that a professional driver did in an RX8, then go rent Grand Turismo, and try to duplicate the run with an RX7.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=bod

I know games vs real world, but once you get a somewhat realistic idea of how hard that course is, you will be suprised at how fast, they can run the RX8 through it.

Well, since turbochargers ARE superchargers, the question ought to be: "What kind of supercharger?"


Not sure what you mean here. How broad are you defining this ? I think in most cases people define these two sepearately. Superchargers being belt driven off the engine, turbochargers being from the exhaust gases. Yes there are several types of superchargers : Roots positive displacement (Jackson Racing, Blitz, etc), Centrifugal (Vortech, Paxton, ATI, etc), Lysholm (similar to Roots, but with two rotating screws(Whipple). Turbos using spent exhaust gases from the engine to drive it's turbine impeller wheel.

I agree with you that there are different designs for different uses. They usually describe the Roots type as "The king of drivability" because powerband is proportional from just off idle to redline. The Centrifugal is similar to a turbo (in design it is close to a turbo, but belt driven off the engine) makes more peak hp, but at the expense of low (& sometimes mid) range hp.

Turbos can be different sized. A small one needs very little exhaust backpressure and spools quickly(delivers hp at a low RPM) but runs out of steam at high rpms. A large turbo has the opposite affect (gets massive hp at high rpm, but takes longer to deliver boost, hence "lag".) If you look at the 93-95 RX7 it was a sequential turbo delivery system. A small turbo, then a large turbo.

This explanation was not for Bob (as he to knows what he is talking about), but for those wondering what to get. Hope this helps more than what the other posters have already given.

for the rx8, i would go turbo because its better for cars that like to rev high.

Yes, I imagine a turbocharged RX-8 would make very high peak horsepower.

But, playing the Devil's advocate here, where does the RX-8 need the most help with power? At low RPMs, that's where.

So the question is, do you want a car that has very high power once it gets revs built up, but is slow off the line (great for racing); or do you want a car that has a little less max power, but higher power at the low RPMs and comes off the line strong (good for street)?

Ain't no easy answers.

I'm thinking about the Blitz SC for that exact reason. I want more low & mid range power. But if it comes out at $6K like many of their other units do that is a bit pricey. I am intrigued by the SFR/SSR turbo package though as they are claiming 300 whp. I think if I got 240 whp from the Blitz unit that would be amazing (just dynoed my car at around 185 whp). I hear (mostly from the SSR thread) that the Greddy unit might be a small turbo.