What I do know:

1. The GReddy turbo kit is installed on my 6M/T, the kit is to be released early next year (don't hold me to it).
2. A/T turbo kit is still being test-fitted in Japan, no ETA yet.
3. Engine cover and air filter cover were custom-fabbed w/lexan by GReddy.
4. Strut tower bars are to be released Dec/Jan.
5. Car will be tuned/dyno'd after it's appearance at SEMA, Nov. 2-5 and is expected to have an output ~303 hp (flywheel) at 7psi.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/G1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/ResizeofDSC00027_JPG.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/greddy/turbo2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/greddy/turbo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/greddy/rearstrut.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/sema20day20220019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/ResizeofDSC04292.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/pic0179.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/shawrf1/rx8/PICT0081.jpg

nice pics

wish I could go to sema

awesome, keep us updated!

Wow - I think I gonna cry once again... One day my 8 will look like that when I pop the hood - just have to wait my turn ;)

Fucking Sweet !

wonder if its legal to modify or fit 1 turbo into my rotary..

Is the turbo kit coming out in Dec/Jan or the turbo 8 coming out in Dec/Jan :confused:

how much will the front and rear strut tower braces cost?

o0o0o nice install but i'll wait for some specs before i praise Greddy some more, also please tell me they used something other then their emanage.

Also very nice that they hooked up that rear chasis brace to the shocks/springs under the trunk carpet.

hrm titanium grey, left hand drive, blue sueded seats..well i be darned that's your car isn't it shawrf1... c'mon spill it. :p

pretty clean..but i would give it some time..

OMG im in heaven. More details please. Pretty please.

Hey, that rear strut bar might fit in my car (with my spare tire mounting kit) !

They did a hell of a job hiding the turbo down there eh? Look how short the oil feed and return line are. Very cool and in the spirit of keeping the weight down low as Mazda intended. I think it is a TD06-18G. Nicely sized for a low boost street setup like they are looking to acheive. They use the e-manange on everything and it was listed previously unless something changed. From what I remember the boost was set to 0.4kg. This is all old information based on the Trust setup.

Nice to see this year ending with a raft of various forced induction options. Next year looks to be a good one. It would be even better if any of them become CARB legal. :)

I keep looking at it and keep thinking to myself how easy that would be to pass off as stock.

I like the rear strut brace as well. Keeps the trunk usable.

can't wait to see numbers

wow! that is awesome. that install looks like it's gonna be pricey on top of the kit itself. I also hope it doesnt use the emanage unless they have a new version of it.

"I have seen the future, and it looks GOOD!!!!"

Holy Crap!! this is a done deal, I have yet to see some stuff come out of Greddy that hasnt rocked!! I'm so excited now!! WOHOO {Tax return now diverted to the Da Freehks Car}

Nice install hopefully the numbers will suffice, dreaming of {300KW and 350nm }and i would be a happy punter . :D

cheers
michael

Okay...I'm curious...that voids the warranty, yes?

Hell yea it do. But I will get all the Video I can at that show. See you there Turboed out 8...

Ok I might have to get a RX-8 now after seeing this turbo setup. Hope it gives this poor 1.3 some major TQ!! atleast 250.

Any specs?
Can't wait.........

awesome.... cant wait to see its done.
would be good to see some good number and see if it is reliable :p
the more kits on the market, the better for us ;)

e

OMG finally some life ok Im dropping MS kit Im getting turbo! how much tho?

im sure its goin be in the 6k + range.

No Way

Probably--but hopefully when I round up enough cash--my warranty will be over

Ok tell me now so I don't get to excited. Will I be able to install one of these on my automatic 8?

Ok tell me now so I don't get to excited. Will I be able to install one of these on my automatic 8?

Read what he wrote, they are still working on one for the auto. I'm waiting too, looks like it won't be till mid-to-late 05 and I won't be ablet to afford it to mid to late 06.

what kind of exhaust is mounted?

The MSRP for their other similar kits has been around $3500. Street price has been lower. $6k is unrealistic that is what they charge for all their twin turbo kits.

I know that it says, Greddy designed the engine and intake covers. But where could some of us get that done around here in the U.S. what sort of shop would you request this from? Any ideas? After finding a shop to fab these peices, I'm sure custom colors could be requested to match the exterior paint.

yeah I doubt its going to be 6k

$6K!...that's a very high estimation...remember they want to actually SELL some of these...

6k isnt that high.. SFR is around 7k.... 8k installed... 6k seems pretty reasonable right now.

don't forget it is greddy, you going to have to pay more for the brand.

The Twin-Turbo Z kits go for around 5500...so subtract a single turbo and manifold from that price :).

Yeah but the Z has like 7 FI kits available haha.. the 8 has none yet.... Thats worth at least 2k itself... if not more.

anybody notice how similar that looks to the re-amemiya turbo kit for the AT 8?
The RE kit is also using an emanage and a similar turbo.
T618Z? 10EX turbine (actuator system) [ trust make ] 2 layer intercooler (H186 × L600 × W76) [ trust make ] E? Manage [ trust make ] EX manifold (molding make) Redom mini (limiter cutting and レブリミッター modification) Main injector × 2

EDIT: Oh yea, this kit runs about 4500 and produces about 260 HP
EDIT2: That's 260 on an AT.
EDIT3: $4667 without installation.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/rx_8/pic/at_rx_8_eng.jpg

If SFR is trying to charge $7k then they are ripping people off unless it includes a full standalone, full set of gauges, electronic boost control, and a months worth fo groceries.

The parts and technology used in this turbo kit, while high quality, are the same concept as every car they turbo. Manifold, turbo (always a mitsubishi turbo - they buy in very large bulk), injectors, e-manage, downpipe. MSRP on other Greddy kits hover in the $3500 range, some with the same turbo (I still believe this to be a TD06-18G). The intercooler is usually considered an upgrade. Throw in $1000 for that and you are still looking at $4500 tops.

Greddy is in the business of making money. Turbo kits give them a larger outlet to sell their own manfuactered parts. Smart business move. Because of their size, they can afford to go through the tedious process of CARB certification which I would hope for.

The Miata Greddy kit is CARB legal, very basic with no intercooler, and goes for $1600.

anybody notice how similar that looks to the re-amemiya turbo kit for the AT 8?
The RE kit is also using an emanage and a similar turbo.
T618Z? 10EX turbine (actuator system) [ trust make ] 2 layer intercooler (H186 × L600 × W76) [ trust make ] E? Manage [ trust make ] EX manifold (molding make) Redom mini (limiter cutting and レブリミッター modification) Main injector × 2

EDIT: Oh yea, this kit runs about 4500 and produces about 260 HP
EDIT2: That's 260 on an AT.
EDIT3: $4667 without installation.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/rx_8/pic/at_rx_8_eng.jpg

The RE kit IS the Trust kit. The RE is the auto version Trust used for test fitting. The problem is those prices are being translated from Japanese Yen and with the weak dollar they do not translate well. I still belive it will come in much cheaper as they do for all the current existing ones.

From Greddy:

http://www.greddy.com/prod_turbo_bolt_on.htm

They mention many of their kits are CARB legal. Street price is usually below what they list on their site. I wish I could go to SEMA to check out this car. Someone go and take lots of pics and ask lots of questions. :)

this is a nice install. I wanna know what numbers they are boosting

The RE kit IS the Trust kit. The RE is the auto version Trust used for test fitting. The problem is those prices are being translated from Japanese Yen and with the weak dollar they do not translate well. I still belive it will come in much cheaper as they do for all the current existing ones.
That price is with a currency conversion using today's value of the dollar.

ahhhh the gods of forced induction finaly got my offering...not easy to find 1000 virgins and 27 goats to offer you know LOL :D Seriously though i can't wait for nov. to get some real feed back from the forum members lucky enough to attend...lucky lucky peoplle. :p

Where is the SEMA held?

From Greddy:

http://www.greddy.com/prod_turbo_bolt_on.htm

They mention many of their kits are CARB legal. Street price is usually below what they list on their site. I wish I could go to SEMA to check out this car. Someone go and take lots of pics and ask lots of questions. :)

Where is the SEMA held?

in vegas first week of november

I wonder who the first will be to the US market.. any guesses?

Pettit
SFR
Greddy
Phoenix

? My money is on SFR even though they have had 4 completion date push backs....

I'll try to answer with what I know -- if I don't answer your question, it's b/c I don't know the answer.

police34: turbo kit is set to be released Dec/Jan, my car will debut at SEMA
IZoomZoomI: yes, those are pics of my car, but it will sport a RE_Amemiya front bumper and different Ro_Ja wheels for the booth.
Intrigue 8: A GReddy SP2 exhaust is mounted on the car.
devious12: you can do it yourself. You need your stock pieces, a dremel tool, some lexan, and some confidence to cut.
army rx8: How's Ft. Stewart? I'm getting set to come back from Korea and settle into Ft. Irwin myself...

Rob

Really thats your car?????

Your one lucky guy and just got elevated to god status on this board I think.....

awesome.

you...have...this...

god status has been enacted. no, taken away because greddy is making you shut up about it :P

luckily ill see it in a week! you going to be there at SEMA?

any ideas of what this will run 0-60 and the torque just an estimate

your car is awesome (duh) and you'll be next to a turbo TC?! holy crap I wish I could go to SEMA...argh!!

cant wait either i never thought of a intake like that or the engine cover

:cool: I'm Jealous.....for now.

sweet... whats your personal feedback on the performance/responsiveness? Can't wait to see more pics.

I just wetted my panties...

I saw an article in Modified magazine today on the RE Amemiya RX8 w/Trust turbo kit it put out 256 whp & 325 lb.-ft. torque. Either that was a typo (it should be 225 lb.-ft., not 325 lb.-ft.) throughout the article or holy Jesus that is a huge jump in torque !!! Isn't Trust in Japan = Greddy in America ? They had an upgraded tranny system.

Yeah it's probably a typo.. I would take those numbers for a MT car even... very nice.

awesome work dude! , got any pics of it without the engine covers?

Isn't Trust in Japan = Greddy in America ?

Yes, I use to know why they have the two names but I don't recall.


This kit looks nice. I'm not a huge fan of GReddy, but they do make quality parts however. I'm interested to hear more when more people start using it.

I saw an article in Modified magazine today on the RE Amemiya RX8 w/Trust turbo kit it put out 256 whp & 325 lb.-ft. torque. Either that was a typo (it should be 225 lb.-ft., not 325 lb.-ft.) throughout the article or holy Jesus that is a huge jump in torque !!! Isn't Trust in Japan = Greddy in America ? They had an upgraded tranny system.
256 whp .... thats pretty damn good! lol , anyone have any idea what turbo is included in this kit and what is that greddy replaced in the last pic ? Is that a upgraded transmission or oilpan ?

256 whp .... thats pretty damn good! lol , anyone have any idea what turbo is included in this kit and what is that greddy replaced in the last pic ? Is that a upgraded transmission or oilpan ?

I think its an upgraded sump (oilpan) to hold the additional oil required for the turbo.

Let me clear something up, in case there was some confusion...

The kit for the US-Spec kit has not been tuned nor dyno'd and won't be for sometime. I am currently serving in Korea and left the car in the expert hands of GReddy for SEMA preparation. Expect HP/torque numbers in the December timeframe.

The two undercar photos include the replacement oilpan that will be supplied with the kit (no drilling into the stock pan necessary).

Rob

cant wait..... :p

cant wait..... :p

Ditto! :rolleyes:

Ditto! :rolleyes:
you're going to have to change your name if you get that kit you know? :D

That is one sweet looking kit. I hope the numbers are good because this kit looks like the one I will be getting. I was looking into the SFR kit but I think they are having a stupid outer body experience with thier pricing. All I can hope is that Greddy doesn't do the same, which I'm pretty sure they won't, because Greddy actually wants to sell some kits.

One more thing.

Hey Shawrf1, does this kit include a front mount intercooler? And does it include upgraded fuel injectors?

you're going to have to change your name if you get that kit you know? :D

True. :p

Hey Rob i think you will left as behind with this turbo :D.....Your car is far better i think with this turbo.Look+hp!!!The best compination

Finally a turbo kit from a reliable company!

this will be awesome the aftermarket is beginning to blossom

One interesting question. It is supposed to be all bolt in, but how exactly do you bolt the turbo and manifold in? Looks like a tight fit down low. Almost like you would have to pull the motor but I doubt Greddy would make anyone do that. I need to go look at my car at the clearance.

shawrf1 hey sorry it took me so long to respond...iwas out of touch for a while. I just moved back home after getting my honorable discharge :D Fort Stewart Sucked big time... i'd say it's one of the worest posts be be posted. But all in all it asnt' all that bad. Fort irwin huh? have fun playing in the dust bowel....haha I'm sure it can't be too bad to be stationed there..visiting wasnt' too fun...but it had its' moments.

Hmmm doesn't Sema start today? or do i have the dates messed up? I was never good at keep track of things like that.

OK the car in the picks was at the SEMA show in Las Vegas, NV and has 303.HP. I will post more info and the vidoe asap. Now back to the show...

Edit: 303HP and 7PSI... More info to came.;)

more pics please, how about an upclose of the intercooler and turbo

You cant see the turbo! its all the way down. IE: If you look at the front of the RX-8 head on, Its to the left all the way down there. You woul have to be under the car to see it.
I will try to get a good set up and video the car as it leaves the show so we can hear it.

He already posted that picture. See red circle in image below.

Hey you beat me to it!!!... Oh yea well he did not post a sond clip. No how do I do that once I get it on tape. Some one help me! please?

Edit: 303HP and 7PSI... More info to came.;)

Yay! :) Thanks for the news and post some video/pics already!

Rob

Cant Wait!!! :D:D

anybody notice how similar that looks to the re-amemiya turbo kit for the AT 8?
The RE kit is also using an emanage and a similar turbo.
T618Z? 10EX turbine (actuator system) [ trust make ] 2 layer intercooler (H186 × L600 × W76) [ trust make ] E? Manage [ trust make ] EX manifold (molding make) Redom mini (limiter cutting and レブリミッター modification) Main injector × 2

EDIT: Oh yea, this kit runs about 4500 and produces about 260 HP
EDIT2: That's 260 on an AT.
EDIT3: $4667 without installation.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/rx_8/pic/at_rx_8_eng.jpg

That would be because they are the same. I had posted stuff on the RE Amemiya car a looong time ago. At that time I had said that the RE Amemiya car is a joint project between RE Amemiya and Trust, however, the majority of the work was being handled by Trust.

Doh! If I had read further down the page I would have seen someone else had said basically the same thing...

OK the car in the picks was at the SEMA show in Las Vegas, NV and has 303.HP. I will post more info and the vidoe asap. Now back to the show...

Edit: 303HP and 7PSI... More info to came.;)

More info please! Someone has to be at SEMA looking at this right now! Wish it was me... :mad: :(

The RE Amemiya AT 8 was dynoed at 250 w/ exhaust side port mods only at the flywheel and only 256 with the turbo running between 14-17.5 psi. That's not alot of difference barely noticiable at the wheels. I'll post the article later.

I just read the aticle in question...and it seems the editors either took the day off when this ws written...or they were all diping into grandma's moonshine. But i fyou over look the obviouse screw ups it's a pretty good piece. It appears taht the hp and tg numbers were switched. But all in all it's a sweet ride. Very streetable which is just what i'm looking for...just a lil more umpf to get my baby going ;)

here is their dyno sheet just posted today on their japanese site.
exactly 256.44 hp

Is that a heart monitor at first going all nuts. What's with that?

Okay guys there are pics courtesy of Mazdamaniac in my other SEMA thread. I was talking to the reps at the Greddy booth today about their car and it seems that they've come up with a working kit utilizing an E-manage, standard Greddy turbo kit components, and a 16G equivalent to a T3/T4.

Here's the kicker though, the guys said that IF they go into production, it'll be available in the first quarter of 2005. That's a big "IF." See, they said they're not sure if there's interest or profit to be made from the kit. They said they're still fine tuning it but they're making around 300 whp from it. We just gotta make sure we show them interest.

Here's what I propose. We should all take the time to e-mail greddy and tell them just how interested we are in their turbo kit for the renesis. The guy sounded very iffy, but I kid you not, we cannot miss out on this kit. WE MUST SHOW INTEREST.

MAYBE THE MODS SHOULD STICKY THIS???

wow 300 whp with just 7 psi... thats pretty crazy.

You know now that you mention it, I think it may be crank horsepower. The sign said 302 hp, but you know how these sneaky manufacturers are.

Regardless we need to flood them with interest mail.

I'm very interested! Now how do I let this be known to Greddy?

GREDDY PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS
9 Vanderbilt, Irvine CA 92618
Tel: (949) 588-8300 FAX (949) 588-6318
info@greddy.com
www.greddy.com

www.trust-power.com

Emailing them right now.......
I'm also going to make it be known to the Greddy/Trust distributor here in Australia, :)

Okay so that's 2 emails, yours and mine. Come on everyone, we need to get our voices heard...

Okay so that's 2 emails, yours and mine. Come on everyone, we need to get our voices heard...

So I guess you're getting kit #1 and I'm getting #2? LOL :)

Haha it would be fine with me...

email sent

Also sent...

Anybody know if they can make them CARB certified, or is this out of the realm of possibility with an aftermarket turbo?

i liek how the the stock hp curve peaks at like 220...dunno o fany rx-8 hitting that kinda' power with out mods. so is this at the flywheel or the wheels my japanese sucks....who can read it :confused:

Don't forget the chart is in PS not HP, and it is at the flywheel.

If you check their website, it says something along the lines of all their turbos are designed to bolt on to completely stock motors, and to be 50 state carb legal.

I'd love to see the kit go into production, but the engine needs work not the FI the small amount of boost we use is directly related to the amount of boost the engine can withstand which is bairly nothing which only relates to a few overstock at the flywheel, I read on their site the made 250 at the flywheel on JDM AT and 256 at the flywheel after they added the turbo we need more PSI for the kit to be worth the money to buy it. But hey I'll buy it if it's the right price and that's 302 rwhp.

I thought I'd seen the CARB statement somewhere, but wasn't sure...thanks.

Comparitively, anything upwards of 250whp isn't too bad as Pettit has only been discussing around 220 for their twin screw set-up. Also, it appears to be a small turbo, so lag shouldn't be much of an issue.

I'd love to see the kit go into production, but the engine needs work not the FI the small amount of boost we use is directly related to the amount of boost the engine can withstand which is bairly nothing which only relates to a few overstock at the flywheel, I read on their site the made 250 at the flywheel on JDM AT and 256 at the flywheel after they added the turbo we need more PSI for the kit to be worth the money to buy it. But hey I'll buy it if it's the right price and that's 302 rwhp.

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/rx8/misc/trust_2.jpg

This is what they advertised at SEMA. Looks worth it to me.

Regardless, I still think we should e-mail them and get more support for the car. Other manufacturers will see this and follow suit, and in turn, we will get a larger aftermarket.

Sound fun guys. Sorry my leasing co. won't allow it ...

sent my email

Email down range.

EMAIL Sent!!!!

so.. 300hp at crack probably without having to change any transmission parts?

ps: email sent

My exprience with Greddy in the past leads me to believe that emails are not much of a priority for them; so call them too! That's what I did!

we will c.. but what about the price?! did they talk about it?!
count me in... if it's not over 6k.

e-mail sent, would love to have it.

sending e-mail

email sent

one more sent.. :)

Yeah got another one here

I wonder if they will respond after a flood of emails.. how funny.

sent also

found pics of the greddy turbo:

http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/gallery/event_coverage/sema/2004/sema_day_2_11-3-04/0353.jpg

http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/gallery/event_coverage/sema/2004/sema_day_2_11-3-04/0352.jpg

This is killing me.. I wonder who will get my money :) Someone come out with it.

I guess the more difficult part will be knowing a kit is out and having to wait for feedback/results/product usage/etc.... before I buy it...

Sent one just now...I hope manufacturers don't give up on our car. Here's to having a FI kit by 2006.

found pics of the greddy turbo:

http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/gallery/event_coverage/sema/2004/sema_day_2_11-3-04/0353.jpg

http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/gallery/event_coverage/sema/2004/sema_day_2_11-3-04/0352.jpg


Email sent.

Who makes the body kit in the 2nd pic? Would like to see more pics of that front end. Thanks.

-Boxcar

looks like a RE Amemiya Front Bumper . not too sure, but looks like the pics.

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/items/1382.jpg

Okay guys there are pics courtesy of Mazdamaniac in my other SEMA thread. I was talking to the reps at the Greddy booth today about their car and it seems that they've come up with a working kit utilizing an E-manage, standard Greddy turbo kit components, and a 16G equivalent to a T3/T4.

Here's the kicker though, the guys said that IF they go into production, it'll be available in the first quarter of 2005. That's a big "IF." See, they said they're not sure if there's interest or profit to be made from the kit. They said they're still fine tuning it but they're making around 300 whp from it. We just gotta make sure we show them interest.

Here's what I propose. We should all take the time to e-mail greddy and tell them just how interested we are in their turbo kit for the renesis. The guy sounded very iffy, but I kid you not, we cannot miss out on this kit. WE MUST SHOW INTEREST.

MAYBE THE MODS SHOULD STICKY THIS???
Just talked to the guys at the Greddy booth today and they told me the "kit will sell for $3,000 to $5,000 and will be late Jan or Fer of 05. No plans for a auto kit right now they are tuning the 6S/MT kit with 300whp. But that depends on how much HP the tranny can take on this car."

The I went over to the Protech booth and the guy that owns the shop and the silver RX-8 told me: "MY kit puts out 350whp right now and we are going to do final tuning around 320whp. With a full exhoust system from our shop and a custom 3 way pod where the NAV system gos on the dash."

Great information thankx... Did they give you websites or anything where we can get more information?

Also what is the pricing on the second one? That greddy price is pretty sweet.

looks like a RE Amemiya Front Bumper . not too sure, but looks like the pics.

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/items/1382.jpg


Thanks whosyourbaba.

I almost shed a tear just then... Dangit.. someone release it... this is frustrating haha....

Yeah... Thankx to all who went and are submitting photos.. We all appreciate it.

Just talked to the guys at the Greddy booth today and they told me the "kit will sell for $3,000 to $5,000 and will be late Jan or Fer of 05. No plans for a auto kit right now they are tuning the 6S/MT kit with 300whp. But that depends on how much HP the tranny can take on this car."

The I went over to the Protech booth and the guy that owns the shop and the silver RX-8 told me: "MY kit puts out 350whp right now and we are going to do final tuning around 320whp. With a full exhoust system from our shop and a custom 3 way pod where the NAV system gos on the dash."

Sweat! 3-5 is more like it. I can't wait. I'm curious how much of what is in those pics will be included in the mass produced kit. I waited this long I can wait till Feb. Thank you all for the info and pics. Definately appreciated.

-Boxcar

mmm 300 whp makes me smile . email sent btw

http://www.msprotege.com/members/shaolin/day3sema/sema,%20day%202%20016.jpg

Check out the hood they had on the car...

I love the hood shocks.... anyone know were I could find them?

Yeah! Top class!!! Count me in on one of those, (if they are in production)...
Here in sweden there´s a law you must have numberplates in the front... and the only place it fits is right on top of the grill preventing all air from enering the engine. :(

350 whp? my bs meter if fluctuating.

I believe it's 350 at the crank.

http://www.protech-fabrication.com/

I think these are the guys he was talking about...I'm gonna look for them tomorrow...

http://www.protech-fabrication.com/

I think these are the guys he was talking about...I'm gonna look for them tomorrow...

That is not them. They are based out of Austin Tx. I know the owner and got to preview the kit before they left. They have lots of RX7 experience and if they say tuned to 320hp they will make it happen. When they get back from SEMA I will keep you updated on their progress.

Am going camping at GREDDY's .... /_\


Dang it they are 5 min from where i live LOL

e-mali sent...oooo come on greddy gimmie that fi i looooooooooove

Hmm. Using the turbo I thought it was and costing about what I expected and making about what it should. Very good news. Email in process.

I worked my way up the Greddy food-chain to get anything that sounded like a comitment. They stuck around $5100 for the retail price point, though they might offer a lower boost kit without the intercooler for less.

No point in that.

The Greddy kit was really nicely laid out and I like the turbo placement. The tuning was done on the 1.38 E-Manage, though the kits will ship with the 1.4 version in January (I'll believe it when I see it).
Unfortunately, it is too expensive. They will have to come down $1k to sell any.

The other problem is the draw-through AFM arrangement which will perform poorly on the RX-8.

The Protech kit looks nice also, though less slick than the Greddy.
I hate the turbo placement. I'd always prefer to keep the exhaust plumbing much shorter.
He is blowing through the AFM though, which will yield the best results on the SE3P.
He said the HP was between 260 and 315. That is a long range. He also admitted that it was pretty much untuned and untested. They had just a bunch of basic dyno runs.
He is using a T4/T3 hybrid - an upside-down version of what most of us are used to seeing: a T4 hot side mated to a T3 cold side. Better exhaust flow and less boost.
My money would go to getting the Greddy kit then modifying it - but only at half the price.
I'll build it myself before I'll spend $5100 on parts like that.

5100 is not bad..

It should be $3500. $5100 is way too much.

I don't know that 5100 is too much if it gets carb exemption, and has the usuall greddy support channel behind it.

Slavearm

If 5,100 is too much you must think SFR's kit is a joke coming in at 8,600.

That is not them. They are based out of Austin Tx. I know the owner and got to preview the kit before they left. They have lots of RX7 experience and if they say tuned to 320hp they will make it happen. When they get back from SEMA I will keep you updated on their progress.


I actually found a business card from Protech on my car the other day. It's got a picture of their turbo'd 8 on it, pictures below.
The website on the card is http://www.protech-performance.com but it doesn't have any info on the turbo kit yet.
I'm definitely going to go by and check out the car once they return from SEMA.

It should be $3500. $5100 is way too much.


Hey Murix, Do you know what all is included in the kit?
I think it depends on what you are getting in the actual turbo KIT, before I can assume that $5100 is too much. But then again, the kit isn't even out yet so I guess I will wait and see what actual #'s this thing puts out, and what the kit comes with.

I would like to see photos of the exhaust side of this kit. Kinda like these... :D

It would be cool to get underneath the car, but that might not be possible.

when i talked to the guy at protech, he said they are running 320 hp, and they are trying to squeeze another 30 out with a better ecu. this year was amazing at sema. lot of promising things coming for our car, guys.

Hey Murix, Do you know what all is included in the kit?
I think it depends on what you are getting in the actual turbo KIT, before I can assume that $5100 is too much. But then again, the kit isn't even out yet so I guess I will wait and see what actual #'s this thing puts out, and what the kit comes with.
I can tell you exactly what is included in the kit:

A Garrett T0618Z ball bearing turbo
a tubular exhaust manifold with a proper flange
an extremely short down pipe
an oilpan with a return fitting
a 2-row intercooler
cold-side plumbing from the turbo to the IC to the TB
one of the new RS type Greddy blow-off valves
an external wastegate (plumbed to the downpipe)
oil, water and vacuum fittings and hoses
an E-manage (no support tool or e-01) with a harness

All in all, what you are really paying for is the work involved with designing the exhaust piping. That part is really difficult.

It has the same parts in every other $3500 Greddy kit. If they price it any higher for the exact same physical hardware, they are gouging.

Id still say who ever thinks 5k is to much is kidding them selves... Show me any turbo kit on the market for any newer model that's less then 5k... You cant period..

greddy makes plenty of bolt on turbo kits for less than 5k...in fact the only one more is the TWIN TURBO kit:)

Ok ok so I was wrong *wink*... so there are a few, but for the newest models they are up there in price... but for the 8 where eveything on this car is way over priced Id think they do the same.

I used to drive a SVT Focus and there turbo kit was 5800 and not installed and for another 750 for Installation w/Dyno Tuning.. So when I heard about the low price on the 8. I was like WTF how can the focus turbo be so much...? http://www.focus-power.com/view.php?showme=SVT_Kit Thing makes nice numbers.. :rolleyes:

Maniac, thats cool, thanks for the info. Now all that is left for me is the numbers. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS!!!!!! Man I wish it was Feb.

why cant there be any dyno results anywhere

Sent my email !

Now, anybody want to by a slightly used kidney?

Just talked to the guys at the Greddy booth today and they told me the "kit will sell for $3,000 to $5,000 and will be late Jan or Fer of 05. No plans for a auto kit right now they are tuning the 6S/MT kit with 300whp. But that depends on how much HP the tranny can take on this car."

The I went over to the Protech booth and the guy that owns the shop and the silver RX-8 told me: "MY kit puts out 350whp right now and we are going to do final tuning around 320whp. With a full exhoust system from our shop and a custom 3 way pod where the NAV system gos on the dash."

i dont understand the no plans for the auto yet. i thought it was easier to mod the automatic than it was to mod the 6-speed because of the two less air ports on the auto.

i dont understand the no plans for the auto yet. i thought it was easier to mod the automatic than it was to mod the 6-speed because of the two less air ports on the auto.


It's simple. Trust/Greddy doesn't even have an auto kit in JDM. Only a test mule built together with RE Amemiya. The auto normally makes how much hp? Do you think the torque converter will be able to handle 300whp? The whole thing has nothing to do with 4-port vs 6-port engine and more to do with what people are buying, reliablility and where Trust/Greddy thinks they'll make more money.

You should not overprice your first products to pay for the R&D. That is the cost of doing business.

That's just funny. I mean like... WOW. :)

I can tell you exactly what is included in the kit:

A Garrett T0618Z ball bearing turbo
a tubular exhaust manifold with a proper flange
an extremely short down pipe
an oilpan with a return fitting
a 2-row intercooler
cold-side plumbing from the turbo to the IC to the TB
one of the new RS type Greddy blow-off valves
an external wastegate (plumbed to the downpipe)
oil, water and vacuum fittings and hoses
an E-manage (no support tool or e-01) with a harness

All in all, what you are really paying for is the work involved with designing the exhaust piping. That part is really difficult.


That's nice and comprehensive. Thanks!

isn't the re amemiya kit coming out soon anyways?

Count me in also another email sent

Well when you figure that $5100 is the MSRP, 40% of that is profit for the greddy dealers so $3060, plus some profit for the distributors. Considering how much R&D greddy has to do to make the kit and it includes engine management, and an intercooler $5100 isn't such a bad price (considering some of the TURBO ONLY kits for RX7s, no intercooler, no ecu, only a manifold, turbo, and some lines) can run upwards of that much its not a bad price. A lot of the other kits from greddy are only turbos, manifolds, and oil lines.

Well when you figure that $5100 is the MSRP, 40% of that is profit for the greddy dealers so $3060, plus some profit for the distributors. Considering how much R&D greddy has to do to make the kit and it includes engine management, and an intercooler $5100 isn't such a bad price (considering some of the TURBO ONLY kits for RX7s, no intercooler, no ecu, only a manifold, turbo, and some lines) can run upwards of that much its not a bad price. A lot of the other kits from greddy are only turbos, manifolds, and oil lines.

Your absolutely right, that price isn't so bad at all. I've spoke with shops that will do custom jobs on cars and charge almost 10k for the conversion. I'll be happy as a pig in S*** if it stays under 7k with all of the items listed in this thread.

Frankly... I don't care if it IS a good deal or not. Because there are other options. And Greddy knows this too. First off the parts of the kit and pricing was already developed for JDM. From there some adjustments will likely be made, but I seriously doubt that the kit would go from something like 400,000 JPY to $6,000 USD. I am with the Japanese enthuiasts... not worth my time if the price would exceed $5k, and I may still not give a look at that price considering I have to pay for installation after that. A price tag of $3k or $4k would be the price that makes me say... gotta have it.

Don't forget... what can you do with $7k?? You can buy a faster car stock to begin with. G35c, BMW 3 series, Legacy GT (and mods!), '05 Mustang GT (and lots of mods!), 350Z, S2000... and the list keeps going.

i was told by the greddy rep at the sema booth that they are looking for a +60hp gain. that's 300bhp(if even that) guys, sorry. 300 at the wheels is a bit much not only for a conservative bolt on production kit from a big name like greddy, but too much for only 7psi. also, they are making a harness for the e-manage that will be available seperately (no splicing).

interestingly however, when I asked about the power output they said they needed to tune some more. i really think that really means the tuning hardware doesnt work, yet. according to the rep, they haven't had any problems with the hardware and they just needed time to tune the map. I just can't see how a company like that wouldn't be able to tune the car within a few days given the assets they have. when I explained my canzoomer setup, he seemed a little taken by how much I really knew about the emanage and how it works with the rx8. he responded by saying they havent had any problems, including the PCM overiding the changes. unless there's something about the way the harness connects that is the secret to worry free ignition control, there's no reason they aren't in the same bucket as the rest of us....

If they do get it to work, it will be a hell of a kit - very comprehensive. At ~$4500 even only 60hp is worth it, especially when you factor in the gains from other mods and more aggressive tuning. As much as I want to say it will work, I honestly don't think we'll see this kit on the shelves.

Consdiering that this kit isn't mentioned on the Japan Trust/Greddy site and the last time i checked the rotary mags it wasn't being mentioned as being released yet.... even though it was first mentioned QUITE awhile ago. It seems that they just can't seem to get it together... if so... dump the e-manage for God's sake and use something else!

BTW... in Japan the kit was suposedly only going to offer 50-60hp for $4,500. Hearing this talk of 300whp and alll surprised me, because as epitrochoid said above... in Japan as well, they are only going for 7psi.

I actually found a business card from Protech on my car the other day. It's got a picture of their turbo'd 8 on it, pictures below.
The website on the card is http://www.protech-performance.com but it doesn't have any info on the turbo kit yet.
I'm definitely going to go by and check out the car once they return from SEMA.

Adrian

PM me when you plan to visit, I could probably get us a sneak peak when they are doing the final tuning for it on the dyno.

Colin

...As much as I want to say it will work, I honestly don't think we'll see this kit on the shelves...

So, someone should invite Greddy to chime in here and give us details. I am seriously thinking a supercharger is better for my 8, but if Greddy gets this right and offers this choice, my choice will be a hard one: TC or SC?

Man what the hell is going on?
I mean one guy went to SEMA and said he talked to the Greddy boothand they tell him 300 at the wheels and it will be out in Jan-Feb 05, and pricing around $5100.00.

While another guy went to the SEMA show and said he talked to the Greddy booth and they tell him 300 at the crank, not even sure if the kit will ever come out and supprised at the knowledge of of the individual on the E-manage, and pricing around $4600.00.

I guess I am just a little confused!!!!!

Oh well, just produce the damn kit and let us see for ourselves what the damn numbers and pricing are.

PS- please, that is.

interestingly however, when I asked about the power output they said they needed to tune some more. i really think that really means the tuning hardware doesnt work, yet. according to the rep, they haven't had any problems with the hardware and they just needed time to tune the map. I just can't see how a company like that wouldn't be able to tune the car within a few days given the assets they have.
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Man what the hell is going on?
I mean one guy went to SEMA and said he talked to the Greddy boothand they tell him 300 at the wheels and it will be out in Jan-Feb 05, and pricing around $5100.00....

I guess I am just a little confused!!!!!

The simple answer for this is: They installed the last piece of the kit on MY CAR 1 DAY before it had to get on a truck for setup at SEMA! Time is the only reason they haven't tuned it or have specific information on output... not b/c the hardware doesn't work, and not b/c they're lazy or don't have the assets.

I know it's easy to jump to conclusions and the enthusiasm is contagious (believe me, I know!), esp. on this board, but all this conjecture is hearsay so please (and you'll flame me for this) be patient! They will get to tuning it and have more concrete numbers/answers once things settle down after SEMA. While their employees run at high efficiency, inundating them with e-mails and questions may be detrimental at this point in the game, translating to less time working on the car and more time on the computer. Besides, the ones who have the answers first are not the guys who answer the phones, so please give them a break!

I'm not jumpin in to say that their kit sucks and will never run. In just stating my stance on things. I know the emanage fairly well, but I'm not on greddy's payroll. The pro's are working hard at it, and they have a million times better chance of figuring it out than I do. Another point I didn't mention earlier, is that Greddy probably wouldn't fund the R&D for such a kit without knowing for sure their hardware would be able to handle the tuning.

But to clarify what I was told, word for word.

12/04 or 1/05 release date
+60whp (meaning sub 300 crank HP, probably right at 300 with exhuast and midpipe)
$4000-$5000USD
Uses Emanage
Includes everything you'd need to get running

btw shawrf1, greddy did an incredible job with your car. the fit and finish of all the parts (greddy and otherwise) way surpassed the other 8's on the floor there, especially extreme dimensions, whose CF pieces didn't even fit properly. if you happen to know who painted your kit, let me know. I might just have to rip your setup off :D

PLEASE KEEP US UP TO DATE!! I don't want to bother greddy with emails, they know that I'm a potential buyer.

interestingly however, when I asked about the power output they said they needed to tune some more. i really think that really means the tuning hardware doesnt work, yet. according to the rep, they haven't had any problems with the hardware and they just needed time to tune the map. I just can't see how a company like that wouldn't be able to tune the car within a few days given the assets they have.
As much as I want to say it will work, I honestly don't think we'll see this kit on the shelves.

Nobody said that you were saying their kit sucks. But I definately got the impression that you were saying the kit would probably not run. :confused:

Anyways, it doesn't really matter.

I was just trying to figure out why two different people talked to the same Greddy booth at SEMA and both were told different information. :(

Hey Shawrf1, thanks for the info, and definately keep us UPDATED!!!!

Respectfully,
Punishr

No, im not being defensive. I'd just hate for in 6 months greddy to say "well we were going to release a bolt on kit for 450hp for $1500, but epitrochoid told everyone it sucked so we didn't"

trust me, i am very excited about this kit. It'd be great to have 300whp, but if you do the math it doesnt add up...in a perfect system 1 bar will double the power (everything else constant, double the air, double the fuel), so .5 bar or ~7psi would be 50% more or 270whp (based on 180whp ), about 320 or so at the crank. Knock 20 off that because physics really only works in a dream world, and we have about 300bhp. A great generalization, but you get the idea.

but does the kit run more tha 7psi? Maybe...I didn't even think to ask! So who knows...

a few pics too at http://web.tampabay.rr.com/dv/

#78-81 are of the greddy kit, but there's alot of other pics in there, and a few of yours truly with some fine ladies :D

No, im not being defensive. I'd just hate for in 6 months greddy to say "well we were going to release a bolt on kit for 450hp for $1500, but epitrochoid told everyone it sucked so we didn't"

trust me, i am very excited about this kit. It'd be great to have 300whp, but if you do the math it doesnt add up...in a perfect system 1 bar will double the power (everything else constant, double the air, double the fuel), so .5 bar or ~7psi would be 50% more or 270whp (based on 180whp ), about 320 or so at the crank. Knock 20 off that because physics really only works in a dream world, and we have about 300bhp. A great generalization, but you get the idea.

but does the kit run more tha 7psi? Maybe...I didn't even think to ask! So who knows...

a few pics too at http://web.tampabay.rr.com/dv/

#78-81 are of the greddy kit, but there's alot of other pics in there, and a few of yours truly with some fine ladies :D

Is that a Red carbon fiber/kevlar wing, trunk, and rear bumper on that bronze rx8 in picture #70? If so, could you let me know who made it? Thanks epitrochoid.

extreme dimensions

Thanks for pic's, those are great.

Im lookingforward to the day a turbo Rx8 will slaughter an E46 M3. Hopefully that isnt too far away..

No, im not being defensive. I'd just hate for in 6 months greddy to say "well we were going to release a bolt on kit for 450hp for $1500, but epitrochoid told everyone it sucked so we didn't"

trust me, i am very excited about this kit. It'd be great to have 300whp, but if you do the math it doesnt add up...in a perfect system 1 bar will double the power (everything else constant, double the air, double the fuel), so .5 bar or ~7psi would be 50% more or 270whp (based on 180whp ), about 320 or so at the crank. Knock 20 off that because physics really only works in a dream world, and we have about 300bhp. A great generalization, but you get the idea.

but does the kit run more tha 7psi? Maybe...I didn't even think to ask! So who knows...

a few pics too at http://web.tampabay.rr.com/dv/

#78-81 are of the greddy kit, but there's alot of other pics in there, and a few of yours truly with some fine ladies :D

You're making the assumption that in its current form the car is tuned to get maximum power output and we know it's not. The tuning along with the turbo is going to make a sizeable difference in the power output of the car. If you can get 20-40 horsepower from tuning the air/fuel ratios without turbo, you're talking about 200 at the wheels rather than 180. Now add 7psi on top of that and you've got 300 at the wheels.

I don't think it's impossible to get 300 if not 320 at the wheels with proper tuning and 7psi of boost on this engine.

^^^ Word. Tuning is key.

Tuning wasn't seeing so much extra hp in Japan. Everyone (tuners) were giving numbers ~11ps for their a/f and ignition remapping... no e-manage here, they are going the RB route of flashing the ECU itself. Their stock whp numbers from chassis dynos were similar to the US spec cars as well. Trust/Greddy then added the turbo to this and was quoting hp figures under 300hp. They were giving like 265hp or so if memory serves.

So it may be possible that 300whp is their real figure, but based upon previous figures, it doesn't sound right.

I guess we will just have to wait and see then!!!!!!

Once again Shawrf1, keep us updated please.

What do you think this greddy kit would put us in 1/4 mile?


email sent

With 7psi, I would expect low 13's, maybe high 12's with a decent driver.

^^ Agreed

Overboost.com has a pic and a few comments on the GReddy turbo RX8 featured at the SEMA show this year, stating that it will have the turbo kit available to the public in January and that will produce a little over 300 RWHP at 7 lbs of boost. Sounds great if it's true, time will tell. Also not sure about there new body kit, the front end with those big lights seems a little overdone IMHO.

We'll see....(won't get excited until something finally comes out!!) ....enough anticipation and lets downs.

I like the BodyKit

That's the RE-A bodykit ... I like it too. I would post my pics of the car (I took a LOT), but I lost my media card and all my pictures from the second day of SEMA :(

My take on the GReddy kit - they don't have their engine management worked out. It's the same kit that RE-A is using on their car, and the same kit that they've had running around for awhile in Japan. BUT, the US ecu protocol is different, and the e-Manage has fits with it. I asked them at the booth, and their US car only has about 200 miles on it with the kit. So I anticipate delays due to problems with the e-Manage on the US version, but I hope I'm wrong. I'll be in So Cal mid-December, and have a date to drive the US turbo'd car. By then, we'll know for sure whether their late Dec/early Jan release date can be met.

Well it is an RX8 to supposedly have 300 rwhp... I too dont like the lights that much but hey its a rx8 with a turbo.... No way in hell that i would not drive it :)

Well it is an RX8 to supposedly have 300 rwhp... I too dont like the lights that much but hey its a rx8 with a turbo.... No way in hell that i would not drive it :)

I would have to agree with you on that one :D

I have always like the RE kit, and so far I've only seen it in white, til just now.
Man..., the tit grey looks gorgeous with this kit! I'm liking it even more now!

Anyone have more pics of this kit, I would like to see it from some other angles or in other colors to get a better feel for it.

i like the version without the BooBy Lights...

Life is good huh.... :)

Geez.. Your doing what we only dream about.. I think we are in the wrong profession..... haha..

First the Pettit car and now Greddy.. Is there no end to this.. I hope not for the sake of the readers of RX Tuner :) Do you plan on reporting your findings anytime soon on both of these cars?

Awesome..

That's the RE-A bodykit ... I like it too. I would post my pics of the car (I took a LOT), but I lost my media card and all my pictures from the second day of SEMA :(

My take on the GReddy kit - they don't have their engine management worked out. It's the same kit that RE-A is using on their car, and the same kit that they've had running around for awhile in Japan. BUT, the US ecu protocol is different, and the e-Manage has fits with it. I asked them at the booth, and their US car only has about 200 miles on it with the kit. So I anticipate delays due to problems with the e-Manage on the US version, but I hope I'm wrong. I'll be in So Cal mid-December, and have a date to drive the US turbo'd car. By then, we'll know for sure whether their late Dec/early Jan release date can be met.

Hey guys.. I got a response from Greddy and this is what they said...

Sounds like 60 to 70 additional whp...

Thanks for your interest in GReddy Products. We are currently in the
process of finishing the turbo kit for the RX-8. We are aiming to make
it
available by February of 2005 and we will notify its release on our
website
www.greddy.com. The kit will put out around 300 horsepower to the
flywheel
and will have a base boost of about 7 PSI. The kit will include a
T618Z
turbo, Emanage, and all the piping and hardware needed to install the
turbo
kit. Please keep in touch with your favorite Authorized GReddy Dealer
for
updates.

--
GReddy Performance Products, Inc.
9 Vanderbilt
Irvine, CA 92618
www.greddy.com

I'm not much into body kits- but that's not too bad

as for the kit- I wouldn't want to be the guinea pig (not that I could afford to be) but it's definately interesting:)

Thanks for your interest in GReddy Products. We are currently in the
process of finishing the turbo kit for the six speed manual RX-8. We are
aiming to make it available by February of 2005 and we will notify its
release on our website www.greddy.com. The kit will put out around 300
horsepower to the flywheel and will have a base boost of about 7 PSI. The
kit will include a T618Z turbo, Emanage, and all the piping and hardware
needed to install the turbo kit. We have not tested the product on the
automatic application yet and cannot say if it will be compatible at this
moment. Please keep in touch with your favorite Authorized GReddy Dealer for
updates.
--
GReddy Performance Products, Inc.
9 Vanderbilt
Irvine, CA 92618
www.greddy.com

^^^ I emailed them about this kit and notified them of my concern that the kit may not come out.

I got almost the same message. Except mine says that they haven't tested it on the auto yet...

Thanks for your interest in GReddy Products. We are currently in the
process of finishing the turbo kit for the six speed manual RX-8. We are
aiming to make it available by February of 2005 and we will notify its
release on our website www.greddy.com. The kit will put out around 300
horsepower to the flywheel and will have a base boost of about 7 PSI. The
kit will include a T618Z turbo, Emanage, and all the piping and hardware
needed to install the turbo kit. We have not tested the product on the
automatic application yet and cannot say if it will be compatible at this
moment. Please keep in touch with your favorite Authorized GReddy Dealer for
updates.
--
GReddy Performance Products, Inc.
9 Vanderbilt
Irvine, CA 92618
www.greddy.com

hmm 300hp to the flywheel... wonder how much this kit will cost...im thinking like 5500-6000 g's...

OMG~~ the RE kit~~that looks so nice.

my is on the week should get it this week or next.

love them

if and when this kit comes out...where would you have to go to get it installed? The kit does look nice. Hopefully its reliable and then it might generate some more attention for the 8...seeing how some people are turned away by the "absense" of power.

Please remmeber that in order to use the Turbo you have to have a modified ECU.

This kit comes with it but.....................

Canzoomer and others have said they have gotten 40 HP from the CZ ECU.

Stock 238 HP + 40 HP from ECU = 278HP

So the Turbo only gets you 22HP ?

I would think the Turbo gives you around 30 without the ECU.

So what are we paying for? A good ECU and mediocre Turbo or a great Turbo and mediocre ECU?

Or is it :

Stock RWHP = 180 + 10 RWHP from intake ( remember the reason why we get this gain from an intake is because we have modified the ECU so that it can use the intake to it's max potential) + 40 RWHP from ECU + 70HP from Turbo

It seems like alot of hype and marketing now. I'd like to find out what the real story is.

I would like to find out if we can buy the kit without the Emanage and use the Wolf 3D or CZ unit or someother manufacturers ECU.

What exactly does the Turbo give us? Can they prove it?

Please remmeber that in order to use the Turbo you have to have a modified ECU.

This kit comes with it but.....................

Canzoomer and others have said they have gotten 40 HP from the CZ ECU.

Stock 238 HP + 40 HP from ECU = 278HP

So the Turbo only gets you 22HP ?

I would think the Turbo gives you around 30 without the ECU.

So what are we paying for? A good ECU and mediocre Turbo or a great Turbo and mediocre ECU?
not exactly...

40hp from a NA tune is VERY agressive. You need to run a very lean AFR and alot of advance to get that much out of it, and it's mostly top end gains, with little tq down low. The greddy kit delivers 60hp, and I'll bet its a much safer gain (given there's no hidden anti-boost tricks up the renesis's sleeve). If you had the balls to tune the greddy kit as agressive as a stage 2 CZ, you'd see higher numbers with much more risk. Also the turbo delivers more mid range torque and holds the gains to redline resulting in a quicker car both on a road course and at the strip. so...the answer is we're paying for a good turbo and a mediocre (in the name of safety) tune. greddy doesn't usually go balls to the wall when it comes to their bolt on kits, but they are a great place to pop your FI cherry.

Life is good huh.... :)

Geez.. Your doing what we only dream about.. I think we are in the wrong profession..... haha..

First the Pettit car and now Greddy.. Is there no end to this.. I hope not for the sake of the readers of RX Tuner :) Do you plan on reporting your findings anytime soon on both of these cars?

Awesome..
Haha, yea ... life is good, as long as I can find creative ways to pay my bills!

Don't worry, I'll be reporting on actual DRIVING of the Pettit, GReddy, AND the Protech turbo'd RX-8 in one issue of RX Tuner as a FI Extravaganza. I'll be working on all the manufacturers to get the cars into one central location at the same time for controlled testing.

There are other kits that could be thrown into the scrum, if they're ready for testing within the next 1-2 months.

Please remmeber that in order to use the Turbo you have to have a modified ECU.

This kit comes with it but.....................

Canzoomer and others have said they have gotten 40 HP from the CZ ECU.

Stock 238 HP + 40 HP from ECU = 278HP

So the Turbo only gets you 22HP ?

I would think the Turbo gives you around 30 without the ECU.

So what are we paying for? A good ECU and mediocre Turbo or a great Turbo and mediocre ECU?

Or is it :

Stock RWHP = 180 + 10 RWHP from intake ( remember the reason why we get this gain from an intake is because we have modified the ECU so that it can use the intake to it's max potential) + 40 RWHP from ECU + 70HP from Turbo

It seems like alot of hype and marketing now. I'd like to find out what the real story is.

I would like to find out if we can buy the kit without the Emanage and use the Wolf 3D or CZ unit or someother manufacturers ECU.

What exactly does the Turbo give us? Can they prove it?
You do realize that the GReddy kit uses the same ECU as Canzoomer, they're both eManage. 40 rwhp from the ECU ONLY happens if you replace the exhaust with a straight-through pipe and cat-back, and even then it's a bit optimistic, ~30 rwhp is a better bet.

I'll be in So Cal mid-December, and have a date to drive the US turbo'd car.

Ryan: Hope my car is up and running, too... I'll be home in December, so count me in on the fun!

Ryan: Hope my car is up and running, too... I'll be home in December, so count me in on the fun!
Where is home for you?

Where is home for you?

Santa Ana, CA... 10 minutes from GReddy. Check your PM.

Santa Ana, CA... 10 minutes from GReddy. Check your PM.
Ahh, cool ... just read it, and sent you a rambling reply :)

hmm 300hp to the flywheel... wonder how much this kit will cost...im thinking like 5500-6000 g's...

I saw the car last week at SEMA. A Greddy rep said the kit would be about $3500 and 304hp at the flywheel, without intercooler. As Ryan said, the issue is the e-manage and the RX-8 ECU. I talked to the guys from Austin, who also had their Turbo RX-8 at SEMA, and they were having problems using the e-manage as well.

Both parties were looking at release over the next few months. We'll see...

Jeff

The hp figures given in Japan used about 180rwhp as the base.

emanage works for us with our little tricks...

i think we should make a deal with greddy, and tell them how their own stuff works for free parts

How are these companies getting away with marketing "flywheel" HP to people? Anyone believe Greddy yanked the engine, and dyno'd it w/ their system?

Wheel HP is all that matters. (note the period) Companies advertise "Flywheel" HP to make their kits sound more impressive.

"Spend $4000 your car will make 60hp more!"

"Spend $4000 and car will make THREE HUNDRED HP!"

:)

fwiw, I've been exposed to GReddy 'customer service'...for my situation, dealing with a GReddy Miata system, their service blows.

:(


Oh...and Swarf...the Army must be paying a LOT better than while I was in -

92-95 Germany
97-98 Cp Carroll, Korea
98-00 Ft Lewis. :)

Please remmeber that in order to use the Turbo you have to have a modified ECU.

This kit comes with it but.....................

Canzoomer and others have said they have gotten 40 HP from the CZ ECU.

Stock 238 HP + 40 HP from ECU = 278HP

So the Turbo only gets you 22HP ?

I would think the Turbo gives you around 30 without the ECU.

So what are we paying for? A good ECU and mediocre Turbo or a great Turbo and mediocre ECU?

Or is it :

Stock RWHP = 180 + 10 RWHP from intake ( remember the reason why we get this gain from an intake is because we have modified the ECU so that it can use the intake to it's max potential) + 40 RWHP from ECU + 70HP from Turbo

It seems like alot of hype and marketing now. I'd like to find out what the real story is.

I would like to find out if we can buy the kit without the Emanage and use the Wolf 3D or CZ unit or someother manufacturers ECU.

What exactly does the Turbo give us? Can they prove it?

Razz1,

I think you are buying into the CZ hype a bit. I have yet to see a car on this board with CZ Stage 2 (w hi flow cat) that is making anywhere close to the 40 hp that they claim. Look at the thread where another poster got his car dynoed with the CZ stage 2 (and other stuff) on & off. The difference was about 16-17 whp tuned & only a few lb.ft. or torque. If the dyno #'s on the turbo of about 250-260 whp & 225 lb.ft. torque are correct that is a massive upgrade (about 60-70 whp & 80-90 lb.-ft. of torque) over even a tuned stock engine.

Also the CZ is all in the high-end (6000 rpms or above.) There is absolutely no improvement in the low to mid range. I suspect a FI kit will improve the area under the curve as well as peak HP.

Peak HP is what everyone uses to brag about their car, but nothing beat Area-Under-the-Curve for drivability and true gains in power.

Werd. USABLE power.

Sound fun guys. Sorry my leasing co. won't allow it ...


LMAO

Why would you want to turbo a lease?

Also the CZ is all in the high-end (6000 rpms or above.) There is absolutely no improvement in the low to mid range. I suspect a FI kit will improve the area under the curve as well as peak HP.

Peak HP is what everyone uses to brag about their car, but nothing beat Area-Under-the-Curve for drivability and true gains in power.

Exactly...

It is the last octave of RPMs that are important. If your car has a 9000 RPM redline then typically 4500 to 9000 is what I like to call the power band. The average horsepower gain in that region is what's important not just peak power at redline.

-Mr. Wigggles

I'll pay 3 to 5 thousand for a 250-260 whp & 225 lb.ft. torque increase, just the torque alone is a big jump from stock. I don't know about you guys but I'm not looking for a dyno queen on my 8

Yeah I am with you. A 90 tq and 70 hp increase would be sweet :)

I would be a happy man...

Ryan said in the January issue of RXTuner that we could possibly see a FI comparison for the RX8.. So far the contenders are Pettit, GReddy and PTP.. :) I cant wait. That issue alone will be worth the price of subsription.. haha.. but dont get any ideas Ryan :)

This FI stuff is a big step in the "Right direction" for all Mazda RX-8 owners...

I have a love-hate relationship with my dsm. It's worse than my girl, after I take care of one thing, another thing needs taken care of.

All I can say is I cant wait for Greddys kit to hit the streets.......

Well, pretty soon I guess (isn't Greddy = Trust) :

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=3510

Well, pretty soon I guess (isn't Greddy = Trust) :

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=3510

That is the Trust/GReddy kit, but unless you own a J-Spec A/T RX-8, I would avoid purchasing that kit. The 'custom exhaust manifold' is made specifically for their model and differs slightly from what we have here in the U.S.

Well, pretty soon I guess (isn't Greddy = Trust) :

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=3510
Yea I hope cuz that RE Amemiya Turbo RX-8 that 8 is an AT:D

That is the Trust/GReddy kit, but unless you own a J-Spec A/T RX-8, I would avoid purchasing that kit. The 'custom exhaust manifold' is made specifically for their model and differs slightly from what we have here in the U.S.

Theyhave automatic Rx8s in Japan? I thought thatonly North America had automatics and everyone else had 5 speeds

Yea and its a right hand driver.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=43758

Theyhave automatic Rx8s in Japan? I thought thatonly North America had automatics and everyone else had 5 speeds

Hate to break the news to you, but Australia also gets the automatic and the 6 speed. Plus we drive on the wrong side of the road. :eek:

^^Now that is cool.

euro market gets an AT/5MT 4 port 197hp and a 6MT 6 port 238hp

euro market gets an AT/5MT 4 port 197hp and a 6MT 6 port 238hp


We get a 6MT and a 5MT, no Auto in UK at least, fairly sure no auto in europe at all.

And its 192bhp or 231bhp.

It's waaay past my bedtime, so it'll have to wait until tomorrow, but... interesting new info on the JDM tune of the Greddy kit. It looks REAL good boys and girls. Power is still nice and linear... just and extra 60ps of it.

Also I'll probably start a new thread on the upgraded coils and plug wires by RMagic...

New bodykit....http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=625219#post625219

interesting new info on the JDM tune of the Greddy kit. It looks REAL good boys and girls. Power is still nice and linear... just and extra 60ps of it.


Speaking of which... my car was on the dyno the past two days for tuning. Info & numbers are still pending. ;)

i talked with one of the greddy reps last thursday and from what he told me the release date would be around january or febuary 2005. i preceeded to try and get some more info out of him and he mentioned that i could get a japenese version of the kit for the 6 speed before then and it would take about 4 to 6 weeks. his idea of the pricing for the u.s version was $4000-5000 msrp which from his understanding included the fmic, oil pan and everything. he also said that if i did go with the japanese version there was no warranty, but if i can get it before febuary i might try to get it. just thought i would let you guys know what i was told. im gonna call back in the next few days and talk to quincy at greddy and see if he tells the same story about getting the japan version.

I thought that the whole reason why the jp version wasnt released over here was because the tuning was not compatible with usa cars.... thus.. a jan/feb release date for usa

Speaking of which... my car was on the dyno the past two days for tuning. Info & numbers are still pending. ;)

you suck btw :) I cant wait to hear more about this.. please post info as soon as you know it..

you are the envy of everyone here..

thankx :)

i dont see y the tunning wouldnt be compatiable except for the smog regulations, but where im at smog doesnt matter. and i dont see how different the tune on the japan e manage could be from the one we are getting. hell if i can get the kit early, ill just put it on and let the car sit till greddy releases the u.s version and change the map

well tuning isn't compatible to my understanding b/c they have different grades of gas in Japan than we use here in the states. No point selling a kit for a car if it's tuned for the wrong type of octane. Just what i've gathered from searching forever on here and other sites.:D

Doesn't most of California only have 91 octane? wasn't sure just curious (hehe good old east coast 93 and 94 for all:D)

yeah im with you on the 94 octane, i wouldnt think that japan would have gas any higher octane then that. but you could be right

well tuning isn't compatible to my understanding b/c they have different grades of gas in Japan than we use here in the states. No point selling a kit for a car if it's tuned for the wrong type of octane. Just what i've gathered from searching forever on here and other sites.:D

Doesn't most of California only have 91 octane? wasn't sure just curious (hehe good old east coast 93 and 94 for all:D)
Don't make me have to explain the octane to you all again.
Japan does NOT have "different octane", they just use a different system to rate it ((RON+MON)/2 here versus just plain RON in JP).
The octane rating is equivalent to the North American spec premium.

The difference is because they don't have CARB certification requirements in JP.

i talked with one of the greddy reps last...

If you do buy the Japanese kit, you'll need to adapt the JDM exh. manifold to fit or fabricate a new one.

dave: as of yesterday, it was a definite 300 crank hp. You can do the conversion to the wheels. They are trying to get the stock ecu to work with the e-manage better.

Rob

Sounds about right. The JDm kit was putting down about 265 or so at the wheels if I remember correctly.

If you do buy the Japanese kit, you'll need to adapt the JDM exh. manifold to fit or fabricate a new one.

How are the manifolds different?

i thought they had a lill more room on their exhaust side b/c they had to move the engine a lill over to make room for the steering column....don't quote me though....haha if you do i might be 0 for 2 after the octane thingy.....LOL ;)

i thought they had a lill more room on their exhaust side b/c they had to move the engine a lill over to make room for the steering column....don't quote me though....haha if you do i might be 0 for 2 after the octane thingy.....LOL ;)
Oops, I quoted you. Sorry. :p

The engine mounts and PPF are the same, so that isn't it. In other RHD countries, the manifold is the same.

I'm only wondering if they have the air pump. I'm pretty sure they do. That would be the only possible difference.

Mazda (and all the other Japanese manufacturers) are not too keen on having diversified parts inventories. If you can unify your parts counter, you can significantly reduce cost (ie - increase profit). I doubt they have a JDM RHD model and an export RHD model.

they do have the air pump...but it is on the opposite side as the LHD model rx8...that and the brake fluid / ABS equipment is opposite as well. haha but none of that matters if you have the RHD model then the japanese/english/australia models are all the same i believe but haven't really researched the differences between them seeming how i have a LHD rx8 :p