the 240hp thread has been deleted......and dammit I was almost done reading it......BRING IT BACK!!!!!

that sucks

What a crock of Gold-Chain wearing, dont know crap about rotaries feces!!!!

Well for one thing that thread had a lot of negative comments. The issue with modding and Mazda Corporate was getting touchy. I am really not suprised. Lets face it very little "hard fact" was actually in the thread. A lot of guessing. I am happy he made 240 hp and I hope that the future will allow him to be more open with the good work he is doing.

Not only the thread is gone...his user account is gone as well.

we can always go bother him at his shop. he cant hide there :D

When he actually posts what he did over in nopistons.com, it will make its way over here.

I've come to a conclusion. I've worked harder here to defend myself then any other forum. I understand people's complaints but I also see the malice they have. I'm going to ask Polak to bann my name and just delete every single post I have made to this forum. My contribution to this Rx8 will be written and exposed in a different manner.

It sounds like he just got fed up with all of the harassment and I don't blame him. In my opinion a lot of people on this forum are overly critical of people modifying the RX-8. Think of all of the BS surrounding Rotary Extreme's intake, CanZoomer's piggy back ECU, etc... In each case they are solid products that have gotten a bad rap by all of the trash talking that goes on here.

In effect the club members are stifling development of aftermarket parts for our car because nothing will ever be good enough to satisfy these people. Hell, I say if you think that you can do better then do it and stop whining about someone's product/project. With that in mind I have to give kudos to people like MazdaManiac, CanZoomer, DMenac, Hymee, etc... for doing just that. Nice job guys! :)

Crap crap, and more crap.

Let this be a lesson to all the imaptient riceboys out there: If you aren't contributing to the thread, ignore the temptation to post.

Thanks to everyone involoved for running off perhaps one of the most knowlegable members of this forum. :(

I can't blame Ito for leaving. It is one thing to be skeptical of something, but the posts were just downright rude. I can't believe he stayed and put up with as much as he did as long as he did.

Thanks nay-sayers for the wonderful posts and being so incredibly impatient.

I emailed PoLaK about it; I was in Design II while it was deleted. :o

He said the thread was removed at Judge Ito's request, but something is in store in the not too distant future. Don't ask me what it is, because I'm as clueless as you guys are.

It sounds like he just got fed up with all of the harassment and I don't blame him.
I do. No one likes a tease and that's what Judge Ito did by claiming 240 w/o proof or explanations. The proof part I could care less but without the technical stuff it's just a tease.

The most interesting thread ever and it is deleted. Oh well, I expect we will hear news about this soon enough!

Dean

I do. No one likes a tease and that's what Judge Ito did by claiming 240 w/o proof or explanations. The proof part I could care less but without the technical stuff it's just a tease.

If you read his thread, his intent was only to show that this car has unrealized potential, it's people like you who misconstrued that as a "tease".

Yeah, I agree that he wouldn't have had to endure nearly as much flack if he had just waited until he was ready to explain what he was doing to the car but don't forget that he had to put up with the same amount of heckling when he posted a decent 1/4 mile time.

The most interesting thread ever and it is deleted. You have got to be kidding.:eek:

There are a whole bunch of threads on this forum dedicated to producing more power from the Renesis that actually contain information!!!.
The Ito thread was just an old school rotor-head coming here to flex his muscles and make you all look like a bunch of panty waists.

Why don't you try reading the E-Manage or nitrous threads? More power and actual information, not just a bunch of hype.

this is turning into another flamewar thread.

this is turning into another flamewar thread.
Awesome! I love that.:p

I don't know if anyone checked the thread at nopistons.com but Judge Ito didn't get anywhere near the amount of BS he got here. People need to learn to be patient here before our cars potential remains a question mark. I was following the thread (did not post just read and learned instead of adding useless input or criticizing) and he was giving us info but it wasn't good enough for some members here. He may not have said what he did but he was telling us what he did not do which is better than nothing. He provided a dyno sheet, which again is better than nothing. If he decides to reveal what he did I for one look forward to finding out what it is and wish him luck in achieving his goal!

I suggest that in the future we show a little more respect for others and try to contribute positive and constructive criticism vs. useless negative rhetoric...

Contribute??? :eek:

Seriously, this forum is to spread information and knowledge. That guy (Ito) didn't do that. He made blanket claims with nothing to say more about it.

If you read his thread, his intent was only to show that this car has unrealized potential
I did read his original thread and know what his intent was. We already know the car has unrealized potential simply from Canzoomer's posts about tweaking the ECU or Charles' posts about nitrous.

it's people like you who misconstrued that as a "tease".
Nope. If someone tells you, "I found a way to get free ice cream but I won't tell you how" then guess what? That's a tease. They may claim they don't want to tell you because their source will get cut off but then why brag about it at all except simply to brag?

If someone posted saying they have a wheel that can fit a 275/35-18 tire up front without rubbing but refused to say what wheel, offset or even if a spacer was used then what's the point of posting? Few people like a showoff.

yeah but remember guys, his car was "bone stock" :rolleyes:

Did any of the poor teased people try to PM him or e-mail him asking for more info off of this forum? My guess is no because you would rather piss and moan about the teasing. It seems these days the Lounge is the only place to read without anyone showing their a$$.

Yeah, I agree that he wouldn't have had to endure nearly as much flack if he had just waited until he was ready to explain what he was doing to the car but don't forget that he had to put up with the same amount of heckling when he posted a decent 1/4 mile time.

but remember how long it took for that timeslip to be posted? thats the reason for the flak. but here is the root of the whole thing imho-

ITO is very well known and respected in the rotary community. when he says something people in the rotary communtiy believe him- for instance on nopistons and rx7club. BUT a very large amount of rx-8 owners are not from the rotary scene. they have no idea who ITO or ATkins rotary or Corksport etc etc are. so to them it isnt soem rotary guru coming in here and posting. it is someone they have never heard of, have no idea what his credentials coming here and saying i just did X! if guy321 posted today that he pulled a 13.5 1/4 would you believe him? no all the questioning would begin and wouldnt stop until he posted a readable slip as proof. the problem is ITO is used to being treated like this and his fans cant believe people dont trust him. ive run into the same thing here. i have been on this forum for, i dont know, like 4 years or something. but every once in awhile someone new asks a question and when i post the correct answer they dont believe me until someone else corroborates or i post a link for them to read for themselves. and once in a while it pisses me of that someone thinks i would lie to them. but if people dont know you they have no reason to believe what you are saying until you have built their trust. and on the internet it is harder to do that when everyone hides behind a psuedonym. when the judge first logged on here here most didnt know him and the few who did know of him were skeptical that it was even him- anyone can sign up with any name. and as i said yesterday then he disappeared and didnt post for 7-8 months so there were alot more new people who had no idea who he was or what he was capable of. and these people in the last 8 months have heard alot of talk and seen alot of pictures of of products that are supposed to increase HP that fail to live up to the hype. all of the old school rotary companies have to do alot of trust building with this new rx-8 communtiy. what worked on 7s doesn't work on 8s. thats why we have so many new people jumping in like- hymee and charles hill dmenac7 and canzoomer. people who own the car and and want to make it better. we here trust them cause we know them from the time they have spent in our community. the rest of the "old-timers" haven't proven themselves to us yet. and a few feel like they shouldnt have to.

Ok, for the sake of proving Judge Ito did give some information here is what he did get us. He has proven that without FI or Nitrous the car can have significant gains! IMHO whether it is a whole lot of information or not it is in fact information. As far as I could tell people were stuck in the mindset that in order to get to that power level we needed FI or N2O. People say that he is teasing us, but I say he is preparing us for something good. He said he would reveal what was done in due time. Some of you act as if he was doing this to your car itself (in other words holding your car hostage). The impatience here shows in the fact that some of you didn't even give him a week to get used to the change in the car which I think is the least that some of you could have done. He is going through the learning curve of launching the car again for goodness sake! As far as I know there aren't many people that have the greatest of runs on their cars when they don't know it yet and the change that has been done makes it something new to learn.

I don't know if anyone checked the thread at nopistons.com but Judge Ito didn't get anywhere near the amount of BS he got here.

We're still interested in solid information, not hearsay - two of you have mentioned a thread at some nopistons.com site - please provide a link to the thread!

Regards,
Gordon

[Edit] - OK, I found it. Big deal - same tease, he even got accused of teasing over there. He still provided no information about the secret mod. Yawn. When there is real information available, then I'm interested. Otherwise, so what? It would be no different than if someone else said "I plugged in an E-Manage, spent 2 months tuning, and got 40 more hp - but I'm not going to tell anybody how I connected it or how it's tuned". Useless information - oh, but in the second case the hypothetical poster at least would have given a hint! ;)

Maybe Ito had the thread removed because he is going to open a vendor account on the board and knows the "rules". Maybe he didn't want to disclose info because something is coming to market. Maybe he really is Racing Beat's test mule and they are coming to the board as a vendor -- with their ECU re-flash, etc. There are other possibilities other than he got sick of the criticism and left.

And maybe an infinite number of monkeys flew out of my butt, cracked his password and typed a request to the moderators asking his posts be deleted. Hey, with an infinite number of monkeys anything's possible. :)

Before the thread was deleted he posted the following:
1. He did not want to publically disclose what he did.
2. His shop is too busy and he doesn't want to be paid to improve anyone else's car the same way.

I would have left. I can barely stand to read most the crap on here anymore.

It's simple.

The Judge pulled 240 at the wheels. Some people choose not to believe. Some people choose not to believe without proof. Some people choose to believe with the limited proof (dyno slip). And some people choose to believe. Regardless, the Judge pulled 240 at the wheels, believe it or not.

Sure, there are plenty of good threads on our forum detailing performance enhancements, and plenty of others that don't. One thing's for sure ... none of those "good" ones ever pulled 240 at the wheels.

The fact we don't immediately know how it was done, seems to be some sort of issue with some. For the rest of us, we'll patiently wait to find out in due time.

I do agree with cortc. This forum could use a little more mutual respect, humility, patience and generally decent treatment for it's current, and now former (most unfortunate)members.

I did read his original thread and know what his intent was. We already know the car has unrealized potential simply from Canzoomer's posts about tweaking the ECU or Charles' posts about nitrous.


Nope. If someone tells you, "I found a way to get free ice cream but I won't tell you how" then guess what? That's a tease. They may claim they don't want to tell you because their source will get cut off but then why brag about it at all except simply to brag?

If someone posted saying they have a wheel that can fit a 275/35-18 tire up front without rubbing but refused to say what wheel, offset or even if a spacer was used then what's the point of posting? Few people like a showoff.

I don't agree with this, but I'm not here to argue either, what he's doing/did, if truly relevant, will show up in some form or another. I still don't consider it a tease as he clearly stated that when it does come out he will help people with doing it, but that's irrelevant. I think I need a break from this site as well so adios for now fellow members.

We're still interested in solid information, not hearsay - two of you have mentioned a thread at some nopistons.com site - please provide a link to the thread!

Regards,
Gordon

[Edit] - OK, I found it. Big deal - same tease, he even got accused of teasing over there. He still provided no information about the secret mod. Yawn. When there is real information available, then I'm interested. Otherwise, so what? It would be no different than if someone else said "I plugged in an E-Manage, spent 2 months tuning, and got 40 more hp - but I'm not going to tell anybody how I connected it or how it's tuned". Useless information - oh, but in the second case the hypothetical poster at least would have given a hint! ;)

I think the big picture here is that he has something real. Whether he is stuck in some nondisclosure agreement or perfecting whatever it is that he has done he has said he will reveal it in time. Most of the criticism is not needed at all. The solid info we got was a dyno sheet (while not complete info it is solid, ok I'll stop playing on words soon). Again he did say what he did not do which brings us closer to what he did do. He cannot say AT THIS TIME but he has found something great. This NOW attitude is going to eventually cost us. People think he is teasing us but I personally consider a tease something we will never get. I think whatever this is will be within our grasps!

The worst part of the whole thing is that Ito claimed to be helping the community by providing information, but he didn't provide anything expect that he made more HP at the wheels. He provided NO information on how, posted very cloudy messages to avoid being hunted by Mazda, and in the end showed that the thread was absolutely worth nothing except a dyno sheet.

When he is ready to provide concrete info that will actually inform the rotary community, that is the time to post a new thread and educate us on what he did.

The problem isn't that people don't believe he pulled 240 hp. The issue is that he originally claimed the car was stock and hat he pulled 240. He later admitted that it wasn't but it looked stock. He was for some reason or another reluctant to tell us how he did it at this time due to pressure from big brother Mazda looking over his shoulder. He did say he'd eventually tell us. That should have ended all of the flaming but it didn't. A couple of people just insisted on being dicks (and admit it btw). The fact of the matter is that Ito is used to people on the other forums believing what he says because he always does end up proving it later on. He didn't get that here. This forum is more mature than the other forums in many ways but this was the exception. I admittedly hasseled him about it not being stock at first but I am content with his response and the fact that he'll show it later. He knows I don't have issues with him. I just hate secrets. It is unfortunate that a few people here have caused one of the really intelligent rotary people to leave. The blame lies here on this forum.

You're all going to time-out now, you should be ashamed ...

Hi all. I signed up here recently (first time Mazda owner, Black RX8) to watch the Ito thread about the 240 WHP.

I am very interested and believe that these kinds of improvements should be possible from the RX8. However, it's tough to know as a newbie who is regarded highly and who is not. The RX8Club forums allow for titles like "Moderator", but after that, there is no consistency. ITO's profile wasn't really filled out with much detail as I recall and there is a real lack of acknowledged expertise here except for Canzoomer and a very few others.

Perhaps there could be a thread that discusses this topic, maybe a "hall of fame" thread.

It would certainly cut down on the bashing and could be a good place for newbs like me to go before responding to a post.

-T

Here's a fun idea, although I doubt it could be implemented: something like a "was this post helpful to you?" button that users could click as they read a thread. This information is stored in a user's profile by forum. When reading posts in a thread, the users's "helpfullness rating" for that forum would appear as part of their user info; say after the total posts count.

Pro: gives readers a quick index of how helpful/informative/interesting a person's posts are likely to be in a given forum. Separating by forum means someone who gives great audio/video advice doesn't have a high count for wheels/tires--unless they're knowledgeable about both.
Con: lots of extra bookkeeping (no multiple votes by same user), potential for vote favoritism/abuse, still takes time to gain favorable hits.

It would be a fun feature though.

The thread was hidden at Judge Ito's request, but it is no longer. Also, he's sick of the badgering here, so he requested his user ID be locked, which we did. The haters and bashers have run off another potential developer for the '8. :mad:

No rules were broken, we did it out of respect for his wishes. End of topic.