I can't see that being a problem. In fact, it removes the need for the small spacer block we provide which performs the equivalent function. You would obviously need to Tee and plumb a line from there to the blower feed. Our line is the correct length for the "reference" design, and I guess it might be possible to supply the fittings and a slightly longer piece of braid. It might just be as easy for the end user to source these off-the shelf fittings/lines and make their own to suit for such "custom" installs.

How does that sound?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sounds perfect. I would go the Tee route and ask for a slightly longer braided line. My only problem right now, is I don't have a blower on order! :sad:

this is a pretty old thread since 2004 but can this setup be used for 6port A/t's??

sure - it will fit any 6port renesis- your tuning however will have to be different

That is only 'cause where we went that night at SSX didn't have Bundy :)

http://www.bundabergrum.com.au

But I did have a couple of Jack's last night as a matter of fact.

Cheers,
Hymee.

:)

beers :beer:

Eeek!! Seriously, it depends on where you are going to live. Send me an email to hymee at hymee dot com and I'll proudly share my local knowledge.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Crap I just saw this post! So much crap goes on when you're planning to move, things like the internet kinda get forgotten!

Sorry!

Do you have any kits on the shelf ready to ship?

If not how long would I wait once payment is made? I am shopping for a new FI system for my car and this option is way up on my list.

Do you have any kits on the shelf ready to ship?

If not how long would I wait once payment is made? I am shopping for a new FI system for my car and this option is way up on my list.

Nevermind, I got your reply by email. Thanks!

:smoker:

1 year anni soon for me ;)

^ when is your delivery scheduled?

:smoker:

1 year anni soon for me ;)

Did you get an email with an anticipated date?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Did you get an email with an anticipated date?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Don't think so. Checked my E-mail thismorning.

^ when is your delivery scheduled?

April/2009? :evil_laug

April/2009? :evil_laug

ha ha :bootyshak

Hi all, I know all of us ‘purchasers’ and believers in Hymee’s kit are getting quite frustrated with the amount of time it has taken. Believe me, Hymee is frustrated as well. :banghead:

Since I am in close proximity I tend to be in contact with him quite a bit so I get a pretty good idea of his state of mind! And he understands all of our frustrations. All dates given so far have been “correct” to the best of the available information at the time. All of the delays have been for very legitimate reasons, with the first big delay being those special gears he had cut in Italy. Once the kits went into full ‘production’ a few things were improved upon. Things such as a modified intake plenum cover, which is even better then the one I put on my race car – in an attempt to make fitment easier. This was a far amount CAD work, and lots of 3D machining time (= slow) to produce the required quantities.

Another recent improvement was the relocation of the oil filter to a place where it will be easier to service, as it proved essentially impossible to get at it mounted in its original place. Even little things like that take time, as at one stage Hymee was just going to use a Speco remote adaptor, but the quality of the component for the money paid was not up to the quality of the rest of the kit.

I know all of these things are going to make the kits even better, and I also know Hymee would have preferred to get them finished earlier. However, as I work in a similiar industry, I have a real appreciation for the time and effort it takes into designing, testing and manufacturing a quality set of parts that will stand out above the rest of the market. :yesnod:

One last thing… I was speaking to Hymee today, and he said that the kits are close to shipping, the custom shipping cartons have been designed, and a pre-production sample has been delivered to ensure correct fitment etc!!! :wiggle:

Cheers,
Danny

Hope you didn't read me wrong, I understand his position, good to hear another update though :)

Glad to hear its coming along and almost ready to go...

Going to post alot of footage with my HD camera when I get this unit installed. Also, lots of pics during installation.. AHH Can't wait.

Things such as a modified intake plenum cover, which is even better then the one I put on my race car – .

So you already have a kit on your race car ? How about some feedback on it ?

Thanks for the update Danny....

It's good to hear of Hymee's progress. Any updates from your project and how the bigger blower is working?

So you already have a kit on your race car ? How about some feedback on it ?

Thanks for the update Danny....

It's good to hear of Hymee's progress. Any updates from your project and how the bigger blower is working?


Hi Brettus and Aerohead, the blower kit fitted up very well and looks great! :aroused:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/orx626/Renesis%20NC/09-10/17-10-2009095.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/orx626/Renesis%20NC/09-10/17-10-2009069.jpg

Unfortunately, my work commitments have severely hindered progress on the race car and it's still some time away from hitting the track. Will definitely be next year though.

You can keep tabs on the race car progress here Renesis NC (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=158121&page=9).

Cheers,
Danny

Awesome thread. I can't wait to hear first owners reviews on this.

Could the Aluminum Intake Plenum be bought individually, for use without the Supercharger.

dude---hope this can be a helpful suggestion.
the oil dipstick will be difficult to get to after the install.......i think. it is on the Pettit kit.
In America the master cylinder and the abs system is on the drivers side which crowds things.
All i did was to bend the curled yellow part of the oem one and then added a crome extension. It helped.
Where does the supercharger vent run too and what kind of by pass valve is used?
Also it looks like you will have a remote oil filler tube? If you do make it as straight as possible and as open as possible or it will take a LONG time to put oil in.
Keeping crankcase vaccum with the oil catch can?
Remember also with a remote oil filter--again in america the passenger side spot has a good spot to mount one. Close to the ww tank. Mount it hanging down --not up for obvious reasons. But do keep away from the header LOl! If the ww tank is removed and the remote filter is mounted in that area then it's perfect.
Beatiful set up mate---beatiful.
OD

:mchase:

Looking forward to delivery soon... :fingersx:

I'm still trying to determine how far forward the engine has to move in order for the larger 2.6L SC. To fit in the RX-8 engine bay :eyetwitch

I'm still trying to determine how far forward the engine has to move in order for the larger 2.6L SC. To fit in the RX-8 engine bay :eyetwitch

Wouldn't cad/cam be nice...

I'm still trying to determine how far forward the engine has to move in order for the larger 2.6L SC. To fit in the RX-8 engine bay :eyetwitch

By the length difference between the 2.1 and 2.6 blowers.

2.1 = 275.6mm O/A
2.6 = 321.75mm O/A

Difference = 46.15mm, and the 2.6 is 2.1kg heaver

Eeeasy... ;) :wiggle: (um, I think the steering rack will get in the way then.... :sad:)

Cheers,
Hymee.

:mchase:

Looking forward to delivery soon... :fingersx:

Not long now, you can just about smell them. And you know what they say... 'If you can smell it, you just about have it licked'

Should get some more photo's tomorrow. TB harness extenders done. I/C tubing done. How about black annodized tubing? :ylsuper: Super Stealth!

Cheers,
Hymee.

By the length difference between the 2.1 and 2.6 blowers.

2.1 = 275.6mm O/A
2.6 = 321.75mm O/A

Difference = 46.15mm, and the 2.6 is 2.1kg heaver

Eeeasy... ;) :wiggle: (um, I think the steering rack will get in the way then.... :sad:)

Cheers,
Hymee.


Unless the 2.1 is touching the firewall it will likely be less than the actual length difference between the two

Not long now, you can just about smell them. And you know what they say... 'If you can smell it, you just about have it licked'

Should get some more photo's tomorrow. TB harness extenders done. I/C tubing done. How about black annodized tubing? :ylsuper: Super Stealth!

Cheers,
Hymee.

:aroused:

Loving the super stealth look...and you know what they also say..."once you've had black you'll never go back" :naughty:

Haha, my local mechanic is a young bloke and LOVES my car (a nice change from Corollas and Commodores he reckons). He's going to crap himself the next time he opens the bonnet (I'm going to surprise him)...:evil_laug

is the boost pressure on this a closely guarded secret :dunno:

is the boost pressure on this a closely guarded secret :dunno:

Base pulley size will give about 10 psi, give or take. Smaller pulley = more boost :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Base pulley size will give about 10 psi, give or take. Smaller pulley = more boost :)

Cheers,
Hymee.



Clarification for the E85 graph?

That was pushing it. Around 14 IIRC.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Not long now, you can just about smell them. And you know what they say... 'If you can smell it, you just about have it licked'

Should get some more photo's tomorrow. TB harness extenders done. I/C tubing done. How about black annodized tubing? :ylsuper: Super Stealth!

Cheers,
Hymee.

pics?

That was pushing it. Around 14 IIRC.

Cheers,
Hymee.

maybe for the 2.1L blower or piping, but I wouldn't think so for E85 fuel :dunno:

any feel for what the 2.6L output would be?

maybe for the 2.1L blower or piping, but I wouldn't think so for E85 fuel :dunno:

any feel for what the 2.6L output would be?

Actually, that boost was on a 1.7 litre blower. E85 made 20 more HP than Premium Unleaded.

Danny should know about the 2.6 sooner or later. I won't be offering it as a kit. But I guess money talks.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Bump :) Are we there yet?

he must be buried in it, no replies to emails etc.

Installing one of the customer production kits at the moment as a final check of parts etc. There are a couple of last minute minor parts that we are holding off on, to be finalised as part of this install. Also, this install is being documented so a professional quality installation manual will be provided.

Sorry guys, it is a much more involved process. It is either this way, or sending out 1/2 backed kits...

Cheers,
Hymee.

PS - Sorry if I have been slack on emails. Just rattle my cage again once in a while. :)

Appreciate the update :) Think this will be ready by September this year?

September? :eek:
i hope that was a joke.. :suspect:

PS - Sorry if I have been slack on emails. Just rattle my cage again once in a while. :)

I can't have been rattling long and hard enough ....

I am not on preorder list and September is the month that could work for me. For those on the list though I could see how that would suck :)

Appreciate the update :) Think this will be ready by September this year?

Don't start... At least I'm not on the critical path.

I can't have been rattling long and hard enough ....

Sorry. Try again :)

September? :eek:
i hope that was a joke.. :suspect:

I wish it hadn't got to the stage where the joke could be made!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Not sure what you mean by don't start? Hope you did not think I was attempting to stir the pot because my hope is you will have a kit available to ship in September and I am in a position like I think I will be to buy it :)

Not sure what you mean by don't start? Hope you did not think I was attempting to stir the pot because my hope is you will have a kit available to ship in September and I am in a position like I think I will be to buy it :)

No, not at all. It's all good. Probably a little bit lost in translation between cultures. It sort of depends how you say it, which I forgot to decorate to smilies to help.

It is because I am very, very (very... recurring) frustrated at how long this is taking to get over the line. I have some dependencies on others which are a little out of my control, but many of the little things are all to make this better.

Can't wait to take more orders, even if it is the second batch. By then the process will be much more sorted, and lead times shorter and better managed (though an ISO certified quality system) in terms of process. The actual quality in the parts is there, just not the system around it.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I hope one of the little things is to sort out the pro tuner issues I've been telling you about ....

Yes dude. Should be before NZ take the Chapel-Hadley trophy from us. :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Yes dude. Should be before NZ take the Chapel-Hadley trophy from us. :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

:cussing: that's about the same time as you take the Bledisloe off us ....

I can't have been rattling long and hard enough ....


x2

but with a much less important sCANalyser non pro/usb question..


beers :beer:

@hymee
you know, the most of us now waiting one year to get this thing.
i understand the delays and the ways you try to make this the best quality kit on the market.
but why can´t you give us a simple and official delivery date now?
i thought there is "only" a little PU thing and the install manual to be made??

sorry to say that but if i ever known that this takes such long, i now would drive the pettit sc long ago and having fun and no frustrations.

i don´t want to wait another 6 months or something like that :tear:

x2

but with a much less important sCANalyser non pro/usb question..


beers :beer:

Yeah, but it important to him.

@hymee
you know, the most of us now waiting one year to get this thing.
i understand the delays and the ways you try to make this the best quality kit on the market.
but why can´t you give us a simple and official delivery date now?
i thought there is "only" a little PU thing and the install manual to be made??

sorry to say that but if i ever known that this takes such long, i now would drive the pettit sc long ago and having fun and no frustrations.

i don´t want to wait another 6 months or something like that :tear:

How about the 5 years I have been "waiting"?! The polyurethane thing is really the last thing. Danny is documenting the install on a "virgin" car, and the PU joiner ring will be finalised in the next couple of day. It also highlighted a "manufacturing tolerance" issue we have not seen before that means a fairly simple part needs to be altered. That should be done to try on Wednesday.

Don't worry, I share the frustrations 10 fold!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Mark-do you remember at what lambda you found best power when you tuned it with e85?

Mark-do you remember at what lambda you found best power when you tuned it with e85?

Ahh - tuner's secret :) (not me). Actually, I don't remember. I'll ask and see if I am able to kiss and tell.

Cheers,
Hymee.

8:1 - 8.2:1 is maximum power, but waaaay too lean to be safe on E85.
Shoot for a lambda of .76, which is 7.4:1 on E85.

@hymee
you know, the most of us now waiting one year to get this thing.
i understand the delays and the ways you try to make this the best quality kit on the market.
but why can´t you give us a simple and official delivery date now?
i thought there is "only" a little PU thing and the install manual to be made??

sorry to say that but if i ever known that this takes such long, i now would drive the pettit sc long ago and having fun and no frustrations.

i don´t want to wait another 6 months or something like that :tear:

Its hard I know, patience is key to sanity.

You are in good hands with Hymee. Sometimes perfection is for the benefit of all. For giving exact dates it is SOOOO hard in this industry especially when you have to rely on other people dates change from time to time it happens.

Best piece of advice I could give having been on both sides of the fence is be calm and patient.

Throwing a hissy fit won't make the process go any faster and will only hurt the communication process make things more troublesome.

Cheers to seeing this completed!

if i ever known that this takes such long, i now would drive the pettit sc long ago and having fun and no frustrations.


sorry speedy but that statement is a bit of an oxymoron.
The Pettit isn't anywhere near the LEVEL of Hymee's supercharger kit. Trust me, I've seen both in person and Hymee's build quality is exceptional.

the Pettit kit was rushed to the market and look at how many 'tweaks' and 'fixes' those users have had to go through. Mark is attempting to release a product that will be complete and a reflection of his company and all the work that has gone into this project.

I can imagine waiting a year for this has been quite frustrating but as others have said: hang in there, you're in good hands. I fully expect that this kit will be worth the wait when it's all said and done.

Agree,

I've got no problem waiting for this kit. If Mark does not think it's ready to be shipped, and there's more problems, then so be it. He'll treat us right and get it to us as quickly as possible while keeping his quality high above all other kits.

Very stoked, and very stoked for a long time coming, but it will be well worth the wait.

(plus, I need to take a 20+hour road trip this summer and can't install it until after anyways) :ylsuper:

Thanks for updating when possible Mark, looking forward to getting the package some time soon ;)

sorry speedy but that statement is a bit of an oxymoron.
The Pettit isn't anywhere near the LEVEL of Hymee's supercharger kit. Trust me, I've seen both in person and Hymee's build quality is exceptional.

the Pettit kit was rushed to the market and look at how many 'tweaks' and 'fixes' those users have had to go through. Mark is attempting to release a product that will be complete and a reflection of his company and all the work that has gone into this project.

I can imagine waiting a year for this has been quite frustrating but as others have said: hang in there, you're in good hands. I fully expect that this kit will be worth the wait when it's all said and done.

You guys are a lot more patient than I would be .
How long is too long ?

8:1 - 8.2:1 is maximum power, but waaaay too lean to be safe on E85.
Shoot for a lambda of .76, which is 7.4:1 on E85.

8.45 is the lean max power and way more than enough for an NA Renesis. Don't forget that E85 is much more detonation resistant, higher octane, and also charge cools way more than street fuel. If you're running serious boost maybe that low ...

You guys are a lot more patient than I would be .
How long is too long ?

Too long?

3 years.

I want to void my warranty on my own, I won't let it expire damn it :cussing:

Keep in mind, I'm Canadian.

Subjective question will get subjective answers right? Obviously from the two people that have responded that are on the preorder list have very different opinions just backs up what I'm saying.

I guess it all comes down to "managing expectations".


Either way, I just want to see this installed on a car and see what it can do in a real-world environment.

Just want to set the record straight. Hymlee would never and has never belittled the Pettit.
kit. Vice versur is also true. Pettit kits do not have tweaks etc that need to be worked out. Its a good solid kit with many users and well documented results.

Hymlee's kit is absoulutely beatiful, and a lot of precise craftmanship has been done to a lot of the supporting parts. One of a kind and worth every penny and every day waiting.
Performance wise I am thinking they will be very close.
There are some parts of the Hymlee kit I like better---the belt drive system for one and there are some parts of the Pettit kit i like better---the a/w intercooler for one. But to each his own and its great to have choices.
Hymlee--mate----God speed with all the fustration in waiting of suppliers. I know that sucks.
Meanwhile build one of those needle bearing engines you guys use to take off the line at the drag strip at 12Krpm!!
olddragger

For those of us on the list it has been a long year.....but not nearly as long as for Hymee. He's doing what it takes to get it right, and our patience will be rewarded with a first class kit. Since I don't ever plan on selling my 8, a few extra weeks now is well worth the longevity we'll get from the high quality parts.

8.45 is the lean max power and way more than enough for an NA Renesis. Don't forget that E85 is much more detonation resistant, higher octane, and also charge cools way more than street fuel. If you're running serious boost maybe that low ...

We are talking a boosted application (not N/A - this is an S/C thread) and I'm quoting numbers from experience, not theoretical values.

sometimes it´s very hard if you live on the other side of the world and you never see what you pay for.
maybe i was a little too frustrated about that..

the reason is that i remind me at mazsportscott. back then i was waiting 1year for the ignition solution and a few other things from mazsport that i never get.. but this is another story..

i´m sure that mark do what he can to finished this kit..

PS - Sorry if I have been slack on emails. Just rattle my cage again once in a while. :)


I'm not sure why anyone should have to rattle your cage to get you to look at your support email account? :rolleyes: :nono: :icon_bs:










was that a big enough rattle? :angel:


ps: WTH is Hymlee? :confused:



.

Quote:
Originally Posted by swoope View Post
x2

but with a much less important non pro/usb question..


beers
Yeah, but it important to him.

guessing you missed my point.. requested a bit of help with my old school
sCANalyser old school serial port with vista and a known good working usb adapter.. did a good search, you know i am good at that.. on this site and google mail.. ;)

there is a folder i need to dump to make it worik again..

did it by pm, and the hymee site.. did not want to be a bother and dump it to your direct email?

beers :beer:

Has anyone stateside installed this kit yet?

Kit is not here in North America yet...
I know Tubingchamp and I are waiting for delivery with 1 or 2 others as well.

First customer install is happening right now in Australia and Hymee is documenting that process to make the rest of us install instructions. I'd expect we're only a few weeks out now for other installations to begin (unless they find a major issue with kit#1)

It's about time..... we been waiting over a year.

Any new updates?

Any new updates?

I have sent out a very detailed update, to all my valued customers, of the status of every component of the kit, and also progress on the trial install.

The summary is this:

Dry installed performed on ORX0-800's car. This was neccessary to check fitment etc of lots of little things that were necessary. One weird thing was how the factory intake plenum must have some manufacturing tolerances that don't affect stock design, and the tube into the intake plenum was misaligned on Danny's car. Really wierd, as 3 previous installs (our "bench" engine, my car, and Danny's race engine) did not have a problem. So the tube had to be redesigned with two o-ringed joints to allow for misalignments that seem to occur naturally in the field. The upshot is the new part even looks better, and is easier to fit. Even though it now take the machining and pressing together of 3 "pieces" and 2 o-rings to make a part that used to be a simple tube.

A number of other little tiny things, such as hose fittings, and procuring "nicer" ones than the brass fittings I used over the last few years. There is also the revised positioning of the oil filter - much better and accessibly now when you change the oil!, including an adaptor that allows for oil-pressure and temp sensors to be fitted.

Just lots of little things that require another days turnaround. Like last night the "proper" install started. Not far into the process, it was found the hydraulic hose dude didn't include some important fittings. So that means we have to wait until today, when the hydraulics were hoped to be finished last night.

I hope you can see this is not a simple process. Even now, after 5 years, I still am learning. But how long we have come in those 5 years! (see earlier photos, compared to the recent ones). Even the kit I took to SSX, which was immensely well received, looks pedestrian to the current production kit.

The "proper" install is now underway, and the desire is to have the install finished over the weekend for Danny's car. The installation manual will then be finalised, and the remaining "post-trial fitment" parts that need to be finished for the rest of the kits can be knocked over. Not long to shipping then.

Frustrated? You bet-cha , we all are, including me and my good and very patient wife. I can't even explain to her why it takes so long, and why the overdraft is still there. Sorry if people are frustrated or pissed off, but it is unconscionable for me to send anything half-arsed. I guess a year and a bit for the S/C after taking initial orders isn't that bad compared to a few coil packs and that taking a similar amount of time.

Cheers,
Hymee.

As you might already know, Danny from Australian Diversified Engineering is performing the first customer install. Danny is a local customer, and also the proprietor of ADE and the RX-8 Plus division. His workshop is being used a testing ground for the first production "customer ready" kit. This is to iron out any possible teething issues - as it is near impossible to be done on my car given the history of in/out installs in it since 2007/8. It is also good to validate the comprehensive parts list, and any potential (real!) manufacturing variations between cars.

Here is a list of photo's showing the current progress of install. The intention is to have the car running and driveable on Tuesday.

New A/C Tensioner:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 028.jpg


Cold side boost tube; Part of TB extension harness:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 041.jpg


Overall GA of install. Non-stealthy blue tube in upper right is a tube for the electronic boost pressure sender (MAP).
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 053.jpg


Close up of well "hidden" vacuum plumbing:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 057.jpg


GA from side:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 059.jpg


GA from front:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 061.jpg


Intercooler, LHS:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 064.jpg


Intercooler , Under:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 063.jpg


Intercooler , Front:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 071.jpg


Nice RX-8 fender protector - factory SST:
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/10-04-2010 067.jpg
http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/DSC_3304.jpg


More a bit later on.

Cheers, Hymee

:Drooling_

A couple more shots showing the new remote oil filter location and brackets, and a general under-car shot.

http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/dsc_3301.jpg


http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/dsc_3302.jpg


http://www.hymee.com/images/rx8sc/dsc_3305.jpg


Cheers,
Hymee

Looking smoking good there my friend. So so close now - hang tough mate!

Very nice. The new oil filter location is .....interesting. ;)

Looking smoking good there my friend. So so close now - hang tough mate!

Ditto! :ylsuper:

Nice to see the progress of the installation.... ;-)

interesting. ;)

Goodly interesting, or badly interesting?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Wow... fit and finish of the build looks great... especially for a kit that hasn't hit lots of cars yet.

But WOW thats a LOT of volume behind the MAF/TB... Are there any issues with that?

Well, I didn't mean to kill the thread!

^ lol

shhhhhh, it's sleeping.

Updates please!? :molepoke:

Updates please!? :molepoke:

I think it was supposed to ship last week?

So pretty soon I'm thinking... :fingersx:

Bump!

I haven't heard from Hymee in weeks, either he's working like a mad man on this project or he as eaten by a rabid Kangaroo! :scared:

I haven't heard from Hymee in weeks, either he's working like a mad man on this project or he as eaten by a rabid Kangaroo! :scared:

said Kangaroo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_FVD0BR2Mc

yeah no customer updates or something..

All you need to do is bug him..

He updated me May 7th.

Said it was going to ship in a week from then, but yeah :)

It won't be long!!!!!

yeah no customer updates or something..

He sent out a customer update late today. All dyno tuned and final updated pieces arriving this week. Hymee said for us to expect ~240hp at the wheels with his conservative street tune and 8-10psi. Higher power would require more aggressive dyno tuning and higher boost.

I'm just looking forward to the 60-70% torque boost at low RPM. He said peak rear wheel torque is ~225ft-lbs around 5000rpm with the blower, but it comes on very quickly at low rpm's.

Shouldn't be too much longer....

you SC guys be careful you don't wipe your ECU's brain when you install Protuner ...............

Hymee said for us to expect ~240hp at the wheels with his conservative street tune and 8-10psi.
Does anyone else think that's a bit low? I'm not knocking Mark's work, I'm a big fan of this kit but there's N/A cars that are at 210. (CRH).
The torque sounds fun but I would have figured 8-10 psi would give a bit more.

I'm curious to see one of these in action and what can be done when this thing gets pushed.

Yeah, 240hp is a bit low considering the amount of money that we have to put on the kit.

If it's all we can get I will probably change my mind and take a closer look at what Pettit is doing, I think they are more close to 280hp.

Yeah, 240hp is a bit low considering the amount of money that we have to put on the kit.

If it's all we can get I will probably change my mind and take a closer look at what Pettit is doing, I think they are more close to 280hp.

That's with a basic tune..

Did you not read the rest of the e-mail?

He said at 14PSI the engine can put out 340 at the fly :) (which is dyno proven).

The other number is Torque. 300 Nm, corrected at the Flywheel J Getting into diesel pulling power now, but with the nice bits of a rotary.

^^ That sounds nice too ;)

I didn't sign up for this kit to blow by the turbo guys. I signed up because of the quality, finish, and how much of a perfectionist Mark is.

If we have an issue, I guarantee you he won't leave us dead in the water.

Less power, longer our engines will last anyways, right? :rock:

Does anyone else think that's a bit low? I'm not knocking Mark's work, I'm a big fan of this kit but there's N/A cars that are at 210. (CRH).
The torque sounds fun but I would have figured 8-10 psi would give a bit more.

I'm curious to see one of these in action and what can be done when this thing gets pushed.

Yes its a bit low but i think its all about tuning..
pettit have 280-300whp at 8psi with testpipe.
i think boost = boost, at least with an SC.

but that is what i always thought when i see the 340hp dyno from hymee at 14psi! that is something about 290-300WHP on a real car!

why can pettit produce this at 8PSI???

Yes its a bit low but i think its all about tuning..
pettit have 280-300whp at 8psi with testpipe.
i think boost = boost, at least with an SC.

but that is what i always thought when i see the 340hp dyno from hymee at 14psi! that is something about 290-300WHP on a real car!

why can pettit produce this at 8PSI???

I don't think they can.

That's with a basic tune..

Did you not read the rest of the e-mail?

He said at 14PSI the engine can put out 340 at the fly :) (which is dyno proven).

Check out my post here on what doesn't make sense...
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3568956&postcount=2966

I don't want to clutter up his thread until he responds.


Less power, longer our engines will last anyways, right? :rock:

I'm not convinced that this isn't a contributing reason that S/Cs don't have the failure rate turbo's do (our engines) :)

Check out my post here on what doesn't make sense...
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3568956&postcount=2966

I don't want to clutter up his thread until he responds.

--

Not a dyno junky, nor do I really care honestly.. Numbers are numbers.. I plan on getting a bit closer to the higher number out of my engine though ;)


I'm not convinced that this isn't a contributing reason that S/Cs don't have the failure rate turbo's do (our engines) :)

What other reasons would there be?

Honestly, it's true that there is a higher failure rate with turboed engines. Because they make more power.

I just like the measures Mark has put into ours.. To reduce belt slippage, stop it from creating stress on the shaft, and the heat it puts out...

BTW, discharge temps at blower are getting up around 90+ Degrees C, but ambient on the discharge of the intercooler. If you put your hand on the cold side header tank, it feels just that: Cold Same for the boost pipe coming out of it. A bit of heat soak once it gets to the plenum. Also – that is not on the road, but with a bit of a fan going.

Not a dyno junky, nor do I really care honestly.. Numbers are numbers.. I plan on getting a bit closer to the higher number out of my engine though ;)

I agree. I am not either. This kit is still what I see as ideal for our engines. Just saying that what Areohead posted above doesn't make much sense compared to his prior dyno sheets and changes since. Well, it does if he also limited the revs to ~6k, but I don't think he did. So just waiting for clarification.



What other reasons would there be?

Honestly, it's true that there is a higher failure rate with turboed engines. Because they make more power.

I just like the measures Mark has put into ours.. To reduce belt slippage, stop it from creating stress on the shaft, and the heat it puts out...

I'd say the total combined failure reasons are: (in my personal unqualified opinion with no actual experience)
- #1 installation, either poor installation, bad quality installation, or simply wrong installation (like no heat shield around the turbo, or the boost controller lines swapped)
- #2 tuning, either too risky, too aggressive, or just wrong
If you get past those 2 just fine, then you get to the inevitable:
- #3 more power. More power from the same engine = lower life span. Everyone agrees



Just most turbo failures don't get past the first 2 :)

you can go ask the pettit guys but they're getting 280-300 at 6-9PSI on the kit pulley and 300-330 on the bigger pulley at 11-13PSI (http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3287018&postcount=6333). all to the wheels.

Did Hymmee use E85 for the dyno pull?

on one yeah. he tried all sorts of different fuels.

I need to read back to see which fuel was used for the 340 engine dyno. I am thinking E85 though.

I need to read back to see which fuel was used for the 340 engine dyno. I am thinking E85 though.

No!
He had 360hp with E85 fuel and 340hp with 98Ron @14PSI

I'll take a bet that Mark is just underpromising and the kit will do better than this ......

Don´t think so.
He would have nothing from that.
For his business it would be better he overpromising..

you can go ask the pettit guys but they're getting 280-300 at 6-9PSI on the kit pulley and 300-330 on the bigger pulley at 11-13PSI (http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3287018&postcount=6333). all to the wheels.

With supporting upgrades, the "stock" Pettit kit makes about 260.
Very few people have gotten the smaller pulley to work correctly, but with similar supporting upgrades, it'll make about 300.

The Hymee kit will be about the same.

With supporting upgrades, the "stock" Pettit kit makes about 260.
Very few people have gotten the smaller pulley to work correctly, but with similar supporting upgrades, it'll make about 300.

The Hymee kit will be about the same.

it's a bigger crank pulley not a smaller blower pulley, right?

yes, and those guys needed to upgrade injectors, etc. to get the higher numbers.

I'll take a bet that Mark is just underpromising and the kit will do better than this ......
Mark last visited here on 4/14. I have sent emails without a reply. Does anyone know what is happing with him?

Mark last visited here on 4/14. I have sent emails without a reply. Does anyone know what is happing with him?

He's busy as hell.

^^

I communicate with him via E-mail. Received 3 e-mails in said period of time.

Takes a few days for him to respond. Finalizing everything and getting it ready, he's under a lot of stress :)

Mark last visited here on 4/14. I have sent emails without a reply. Does anyone know what is happing with him?

He send me an email 2hrs ago.
i think he is a very busy man at the moment :smoker:

it's a bigger crank pulley not a smaller blower pulley, right?

Probably. I don't know.
Either way, it changes the ratio.

yes, and those guys needed to upgrade injectors, etc. to get the higher numbers.

And water/meth and a better bypass valve and a better MAF setup and proper EVAP plumbing and a better tensioner, etc...

Stuff on the bench, thinking about basic parts we need to make to get it running:
http://www.hymee.com/rx8/images/Dscn6350.jpg



Not busting on Mark (just getting a chuckle):

This is one of my favorite pictures and one that everybody that contemplates should look at for a long time.
Note that "parts to get it running" include rotors.

.
Note that "parts to get it running" include rotors.

:yelrotflm yep - need those

Probably. I don't know.
Either way, it changes the ratio.



And water/meth and a better bypass valve and a better MAF setup and proper EVAP plumbing and a better tensioner, etc...

correct.

yes, water/meth. the better billet bypass valve is included now i think.

maf setup: better how?
evap plumbing: what makes it proper?
what's wrong with the tensioner? i know the nut didn't tighten very well but that was an easy fix.

Didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest with people bustin' on Mark about power claims. We'll know the final numbers when we see full dyno curves. He did tell us that these latest numbers were on a dyno that connects to the wheels directly (no tires contacting rolling drums). Then there's all the correction factors that must be applied to get true 'apples to apples' performance numbers...besides the dyno's all spin backwards down under anyway, right :mdrmed:

That all being said, this kit for me is all about driveability and reliability. I just want the power band of the RX pushed up about 50%, with the same shape and throttle response. Plus I want it to last for 100k miles. This isn't about smokin' the tires and ultimate whp...that's what my 600+hp Shelby GT500 is for.:rock:

I just want the power band of the RX pushed up about 50%, with the same shape and throttle response. Plus I want it to last for 100k miles.

lol

"Just".

lol

"Just".

"About 50%"...and I shoud be more specific and say I just want the torque curve shifted up by "about" 50%. Most stock cars put down about 140-150ft-lbs to the wheels...if I get to a peak of 210-220ft-lbs at the wheels, I'm happy. Peak power of 240-250 rwhp is about 40% above most stock dyno's I've seen.

I spend a lot more time driving near the torque peak than the power peak, so that's what's I'm focused on improving, hence the SC approach. Not trying to start a SC vs. turbo argument again. I'm personally biased towards the low end response you get from boost curves created by a SC.

I'm personally biased towards the low end response you get from boost curves created by a SC.
Just curious , where in the dyno curve plotted below do you see the Pettit low end being superior to any of the turbos .?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s255/brettus_rx8/FIchart4.jpg

I'm personally biased towards the low end response you get from boost curves created by a SC.

http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/2/7/7/9/3/9/a2926156-219-Facepalm%20jesus-facepalm-facepalm.jpg

As I said, I'm not trying to argue SC vs. Turbo. I've owned and installed both (BMW 335i, 911Turbo, WRX STi, Subaru Legacy Turbo, Shelby GT500 , Miata w/SC)....

I believe Mark's SC kit suits my requirements better than any of the turbo kits available. WOT Dyno curves don't tell you how a car responds to throttle inputs or 'feels' on the road/track. I personally perfer the SC approach.

Enough said....

it is nice to have choices-- i remember the days when we didnt.
OD

it is nice to have choices-- i remember the days when we didnt.
OD

really?

choices.

what are they? pettit.

and someone let me know what else.. just saying,

and i really want to go into super dick mode, but prudent.

beers :beer:

I bet he meant FI in general. As for SC kits, there is the procharger version as well.

I bet he meant FI in general. As for SC kits, there is the procharger version as well.

ok,

post up a fi system that you can buy now.. sc or turbo..

really..

procharger is missing in action.. in the usa. and the rest of the world as far as i can tell.

right now pettit is is.

btw, tuning is part of the kit.

really.

beers :beer:

Mazdatrix lists the procharger on their site.
it's not for sale?
:scratchhe

Mazdatrix lists the procharger on their site.
it's not for sale?
:scratchhe


order one.

or just see if they ever got it running.. if so what ecu did they use?

bitter about this. ;)

as i said. so far the pettit kit is what you can buy.

beers :beer:

ok,

post up a fi system that you can buy now.. sc or turbo..

really..

procharger is missing in action.. in the usa. and the rest of the world as far as i can tell.

right now pettit is is.

btw, tuning is part of the kit.

really.

beers :beer:

Then no, there are NO FI kits available. It is impossible to produce a tune with a flash device that is universally effective on all of our cars.

You can make one, but it will be equally sucky.

ok,

post up a fi system that you can buy now.. sc or turbo..

really..

procharger is missing in action.. in the usa. and the rest of the world as far as i can tell.

right now pettit is is.

btw, tuning is part of the kit.

really.

beers :beer:

As far as I know the SFR, PTP and the procharger are available. If for some reason you know they are not then post up the info.

I disagree tuning is part of a kit. It would be nice if everyone offered a tuned solution for the 8 but that is just not happening.

The RX8 is now a defunct car.

Scott---one thing I meant was FI IS an option now, i remember the days when it wasnt.
Guess it needed better clarification---sorry about that.

Disagree that a flash universal tune cant be made to work. It may not be as fine edged as it could be but it can be made for really good output and good DD. i would suspect since i am not an expert is this area at all--that a system with the same boost parameters would have a better overall response from a universal flash than others? Would that not be a easier thing for a SC system versus a turbo system?
S.C cars are getting over 300hp and 200 TQ with a 10lb boost and a much lower redline than 9K. Just for clarification I dont know of a SC 6 port car that is getting a 13lb boost?
Thats were a turbo would really shine--if you wanted a higher level of boost--it can bring it home. too my limited knowledge the power curve from a turbo can be much more adjustable than from a sc?
Sorry for the thread jack here.
OD

As far as I know the SFR, PTP and the procharger are available. If for some reason you know they are not then post up the info.


I talked to Dave (owner of Mazdatrix) the other week and he said he only sold one kit. He's trying to respark iinterest by sportin his kit on his Time Attack car but as far as kits ready to go he doesnt have any put together,,,

order one.

or just see if they ever got it running.. if so what ecu did they use?



Dave Lemmon runs the system in the MazdaTrix TA car.
Motec or Haltec.

It is available for sale.

There is a guy on 8web (lives overseas) running a procharger kit. He knew someone that had the ability to tune the OE PCM. Not sure it if is a blitz kit or not.

I'm aiming to get my car to Danny later this week for installation of the Hymee kit over the next fortnight. It's real alright. ;)

Spoke to him today. Some minor tuning issues to be sorted still but car drives well and there have been zero mechanical issues thus far. As for the bloke who "just" wanted the stock curve pushed up, I understand 40% is what it feels like atm. Very grunty was the shorthand description :rock:.

Obviously more development and 'stage 2 pulley' add-ons, etc now that customer cars are coming on line will see improvements.

I'm excited. I'm also not talking, I'm doing. ;)

Beers to my yank mates. :beer05:

:dunno:

:dunno:

:rock:

Parts are starting to ship via postal.

Should be fully shipped by Monday.

Then no, there are NO FI kits available. It is impossible to produce a tune with a flash device that is universally effective on all of our cars.

You can make one, but it will be equally sucky.

from what i have seen.

the pettit is doable.

they flash and it works. i know more than two people that have done it..

beers :beer:

I talked to Dave (owner of Mazdatrix) the other week and he said he only sold one kit. He's trying to respark iinterest by sportin his kit on his Time Attack car but as far as kits ready to go he doesnt have any put together,,,

kit came with a powermod for the ecu.. i have a huge amount of respect for rick shaw..

beers :beer:

the pettit is doable.

Much like the OE tune is "doable".

Dave Lemmon runs the system in the MazdaTrix TA car.
Motec or Haltec.

It is available for sale.

my point is made.

the not done ecu solution. shit that procharger system sat at titain motorsports since 04. was supposed to go on my car.. blah, blah, blah.. no ecu no run..

maztrix has done what with it?

jeff, you are kinda the answer, but..

so i guess my point is that the pettit is the only sytem that can / could be bought that works..

so i missed my observation of fi systems how?.

btw, for those that want to just piss me away.. i have a rx8. sitting in my garage. it has not moved since i drove home from roebling road.. why. have a mazdaspeed3, 2010.

beers :beer:

Much like the OE tune is "doable".

it works with a system..

the system sells.. not perfect, but they pay the bills..

mirror / face.

you should be so smart. been away for a while.. am a bit pissed off at the rx8 shit right now and i got to you first..

you have my pm/ email and i think you have my phone #.

btw,, wtf is hymee??? is that not the point of this thread?

have known him for years.. have sent a pm/ email and looked for support on his site for an issue i have with the scanalizer.. nothing.



beers :beer:

I'm with Swoope. The Pettit kit is very "do-able" (provided you remove the dust covers from the intake runners when you install it :rollingla: ). Pettit has a very capable tuner and a quick method to flash the ECU and log data for map alterations. I'm on my second blower, the first having been taken from me by the cheap fuel line quick-disconnect, and if Hymee's kit works as well, there are going to be some very, very happy supercharger owners.

BTW, when all the new S/C owners install their kits, take my word for it and zip tie the fuel line where it attaches to the fuel rail. DO NOT trust that quick connector, even if you've never taken it off.

Much like the OE tune is "doable".

This ^

have known him for years.. have sent a pm/ email and looked for support on his site for an issue i have with the scanalizer.. nothing.

I'm in the same boat as you swoope.
Email ignored
PM ignored.
:(

I'm hoping Hymee comes out from hiding soon so I can get my scanalyzer working again.

He will be more active once the S/C's ship.

Seriously, he's working triple time to get everything out. I think they should be gone by now, but logistics is never SIMPLE for 10 items with a value over 10K AUD..

Scott---one thing I meant was FI IS an option now, i remember the days when it wasnt.
Guess it needed better clarification---sorry about that.

Disagree that a flash universal tune cant be made to work. It may not be as fine edged as it could be but it can be made for really good output and good DD. i would suspect since i am not an expert is this area at all--that a system with the same boost parameters would have a better overall response from a universal flash than others? Would that not be a easier thing for a SC system versus a turbo system?
S.C cars are getting over 300hp and 200 TQ with a 10lb boost and a much lower redline than 9K. Just for clarification I dont know of a SC 6 port car that is getting a 13lb boost?
Thats were a turbo would really shine--if you wanted a higher level of boost--it can bring it home. too my limited knowledge the power curve from a turbo can be much more adjustable than from a sc?
Sorry for the thread jack here.
OD

We have one racecar in sweden with more boost and a supercharger, he is on this forum but not that often anymore.

I'm in the same boat as you swoope.
Email ignored
PM ignored.
:(

I'm hoping Hymee comes out from hiding soon so I can get my scanalyzer working again.

I talked to him yesterday..

Whats your problem with scanalyzer?

My Scanalayzer live gauges hangs after ~10minutes of use =(

I bought the USB live version about a year ago, he sent me an email with download insturctions for the software but the links are no longer active.
Basically, I have the hardware but no software.

Huu? sounds strange... I reinstalled my laptop yesterday and installed the software without problems...

I guess you have the CD-ROM included with the hardware?

Feel free to PM me if you want the links I used.

the CD is for the older serial port scanalyzer (which I have as well)
I upgraded to the USB Live with ProTuner and the software was downloadable off Hymee's site.

I appreciate the help AZ.
if you have those links, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Ok I have the CD for the new USB version.

maybe there are different download links included?

If this dosent work I can rar the disc and place it on a server for you. as I said I installed it yesterday without problems.

AZ: that appears to be exactly what I need.
I'll try those links when I get home and let you know.

I greatly appreciate the assitance. :)

no problems.

=)

If it works....maybe I won't sell mine...

I get my $10k intercooler today :wiggle:

^^ how do you know?

Sorry for my english.. :angel:
What i mean is, it arrived today ;)

Your Hymee SC kit arrived today?! If so get to work installing that SOB and let us know how it is!

No! only the Intercooler from the kit is arrived..

Yeah, he shipped it in 3 parts.

HOW come it arrived for you and not me?! I hate you!!

:)

We're getting there Speedy!!

Still waiting here as well.....

Ok, here is a question..

What the hell is with those two guys that have allready installed the kit??

Danny installed the SC kit a few weeks ago and no one here something about him since that..
i wish he can post a feedback or something.

How does it feel?
How is the throttle response? (in real life)
Driving videos?

And what is with David´s car?
this install should have start last week friday.. :confused:

I´m a little confused about this lack of information. :mad:

There are 2 youtube videos of dannys car on the dyno but come on!
This can´t be all :dunno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78XPBYtrckw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME35CROLiV0

You guys that get this kit will have something unique . I doubt that Hymee will make any more after this first batch .

You guys that get this kit will have something unique . I doubt that Hymee will make any more after this first batch .

I can't imagine that, after the unbelievable (even by MY standards) amount of development time and the seemingly vast R&D process that Mark has endured for this project, he can afford NOT to build a second, third or even fourth batch just to break even.

There are 2 youtube videos of dannys car on the dyno but come on!

Wow, that is an excruciating noise.

Wow, that is an excruciating noise.[/QUOTE]

One man's noise is another man's music. Supercharger whine can be additctive :rolleyes:

To some (not everyone, of course) a turbo BOV vented to atomosphere is excruciating. At least that's what the cops tried to explain to me one time... :evil_laug

One man's noise is another man's music. Supercharger whine can be additctive :rolleyes:

It's not the"supercharger whine" that is painful, it is the beat frequency of the SC against the engine RPM.
OEs (and other conscientious builders) shoot for drive ratios that are harmonically related.

To some (not everyone, of course) a turbo BOV vented to atomosphere is excruciating.

Yeah, I don't do that noise, either.

I remember back when Hymee started this whole thing there was a vid of the rear wheels of the mule car on the dyno. The sound was just like this, and it turned me into and addict. I played that over my home theater at full blast. Sweet.

And people say I need to get a life :lol:

?????? about the vids.
I didnt like the sound at the end of the dyno pull---"the flat spot"
was that a rev limiter of some type?
OD

Well, it's taken a little longer than I hoped (I won't bore you guys with the reasons :wallbash:) but my car is basically done. Some pics of the install here - http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=3621121&posted=1#post3621121.

Getting tuned and dynoed today (we have a 'before' dyno). Collecting it tomorrow. :cool:

Woot! :p:

nice man! congrats!

many thanks and all the best for your own project.

many thanks and all the best for your own project.

thank you sir!

anyone heard from Hymee?

Hymee
Last Activity: 04-17-2010 07:21 AM

Last I heard from him he was going out to feed his pet Fierce snake and Funnel-Web spiders. :SHOCKED:

Can't imagine what's happened to him.

Calling Hymee.........

OK, it's killing me, I gotta know how this is going... are all you guys busy doing your installs? What up? Hymee's dyno video three or four years ago got me sucked into this rx8/supercharger thing, so now I want to know how his peeps are hangin....

Anybody out there gettin' blown?

Anybody out there gettin' blown?

I see what you did there.

Nothing new.

Sent him an e-mail today.

Getting.... Bleh.

^I thought your kit was mailed to you?

Yeah, without a blower.

Nothing new.

Sent him an e-mail today.

Getting.... Bleh.

and i've been boosted for a month lol.

just need to wrap my tune and i'll drive up there so you can see a blower in action :rock:

So why no blower? Something change again with the kit or does he just not have one to send?

Oil leak issue apparently.

I know Dondo, it's retarded hehe.

I ordered this Dec 31, 2008... or 2009.. Don't remember but I think it's been two years.

Nah, just checked. 2008.

Oil leak issue apparently.

I know Dondo, it's retarded hehe.

I ordered this Dec 31, 2008... or 2009.. Don't remember but I think it's been two years.

Nah, just checked. 2008.

man.. does he keep in touch with you at least?

man.. does he keep in touch with you at least?

Yeah, he was great.. Until the last couple months anyways.. Not sure what's going on now.

Yeah, he was great.. Until the last couple months anyways.. Not sure what's going on now.

well good luck man. if i get my ride tuned i'll head up there and you can check it out. i need to get into whistler soon anyway

I also finished the install 3weeks ago, but my blower have an oil leak :mad: so now i´m waiting for a replacement from hymee..
i installed that damn blower 3 times till i locate where this oil leak came from! You only see it with an endoscope and very very much patience!

Hymee and Crue, whatever's going on, I hope you guys are OK. You guys are heroes in my book.

It had to happen, a few years ago Hymee was a "rock star" now you tell me he's a "hero", anyone out there going to vote him in as a "God"?:icon5:
Face facts he's just some sort of tribesman.:Wconfused

hahaah too funny richard-

how are you doing? i was thinking of calling/emailing you about something axial flow related....

I prey it has a big number.

Superchargers Coming Soon
You back to working on that?

^I saw that as well and was going to comment but just figured it was an old sig.

I also finished the install 3weeks ago, but my blower have an oil leak :mad: so now i´m waiting for a replacement from hymee..
i installed that damn blower 3 times till i locate where this oil leak came from! You only see it with an endoscope and very very much patience!

I had to get that oil leak fixed too. To his credit Hymee and his fabricator flew down to Sydney at their own cost and organized a local workshop to do the work. No problems since. Has resulted in a slight mod to the kit to avoid this issue recurring.

I've just taken delivery of a second oil cooler kit and gauge set, which I'll get installed asap.

Car has been running perfectly. The extra torque is very addictive. Drinks like an alcoholic around town though.

Self lubed blower---right?

OD

its the same as ours OD if I'm not mistaken....

no i think its self lubed like OD said

it runs engine oil not a separate oil system.

YuppY,

Engine oil is fed to the compressor gears via these oil lines.

Cheers,
Hymee.

It had to happen, a few years ago Hymee was a "rock star" now you tell me he's a "hero", anyone out there going to vote him in as a "God"?:icon5:
Face facts he's just some sort of tribesman.:Wconfused

but you are the rock star.

you made a product that worked. well worked damn well.

you tried to make a product that was never produced.. the thoughts were there. but did not fly.

sad for everyone here. but did you take money for the afs? and to this day the short shifts sells used for almost as much as new.. tribute!

btw, did you get the afs working with the s2k ? might be a way to go..

beers :beer:

Agreed swoope. I've had my axial flow short shifter for 5 years and I still love it. Right up there with sway bars as the cheapest feel good mod there is...

oh ok.
did you have to run a breather line for the blower?
OD

oh ok.
did you have to run a breather line for the blower?
OD

meatball?

beers :beer:

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