Well I was coming back from my dealer today about a crackesd fuse box in the engine compartment. Quick story short, well I was coming back and this SRT-4 paseing me for about 20min, with his blue dodge w/ black carbon hood and his black rims if it makes a difference, reving at me trying to race I started calling my buddies and laughing in the mirror at the furiouse dodge that is paseing me. Then he finally realized that I wasn't going to race him and he pulls a Uwwee.

Keep driving legal plz. :)

Originally posted by Adamrotor
Well
Keep driving legal plz. :)

I raced one totally legally at Atco Raceway and got smoked. It was totally stock and I have an exhaust and the CZ1 was in.

Bang for the buck, the SRT 4 is a pretty good car.

However it's still a Dodge.

Originally posted by Adamrotor
Well I was coming back from my dealer today about a crackesd fuse box in the engine compartment. Quick story short, well I was coming back and this SRT-4 paseing me for about 20min, with his blue dodge w/ black carbon hood and his black rims if it makes a difference, reving at me trying to race I started calling my buddies and laughing in the mirror at the furiouse dodge that is paseing me. Then he finally realized that I wasn't going to race him and he pulls a Uwwee.

Keep driving legal plz. :)

Was IKEWRX in the neon>????

They are pretty quick 0-60. (Until it breaks)

Originally posted by bluesunlion
Bang for the buck, the SRT 4 is a pretty good car.

However it's still a Dodge.

Yep, 0-60 in sub 6 times for 20K. Can't be beat for speed value. For quality and luxury, that's another story. I think for speed value the Saturn ion redline (when it comes out) will be a contender to the SRT 4.

Originally posted by red_rx8_red_int
Yep, 0-60 in sub 6 times for 20K. Can't be beat for speed value. For quality and luxury, that's another story. I think for speed value the Saturn ion redline (when it comes out) will be a contender to the SRT 4.

are you sure>? I thought it was 210 ,....maybe 210

Although theres still nothing like a rotary

Quick car, but a neon will always be a neon.

It has a good 0-60, yes, but thats about it. Everything else screams Dodge quality.

Thats Kwality. With a "K" =D

who cares ... an srt 4 is a dodge neon. and dodge neons are horrible. cheap. crappy cars. we drive a machine of beauty.
the neon is for people in wheel chairs... yea thats right.. wheel your ass outta here!

Originally posted by Velocity-8
I raced one totally legally at Atco Raceway and got smoked. It was totally stock and I have an exhaust and the CZ1 was in.

Althought the SRT 4 is a nice ride, I would not believe that this car could beat you on a formula one course that contained winds and turns. Flat out race, oval track yep the SRT is smokin.

Originally posted by Silver04RX8
Althought the SRT 4 is a nice ride, I would not believe that this car could beat you on a formula one course that contained winds and turns. Flat out race, oval track yep the SRT is smokin.

Atco is a dragstrip.

I drove the SRT-4 and I can say, yes it's quick. However, it's a bit of a beast. Driving it hard is kinda like riding a pissed off bull. I didn't find the ride stable or the steering accurate. Also, unless you were going full throttle, the turbo lag was horrible.

Fast? Yes. Pleasure to drive? Not in the least...

(Unless peeling out of the parking lot at high school every day to "impress" people is fun for you...)

Also, about the Red Line, I heard 200hp and 200lbft of torque. The New Chevy Cobalt is supposed to have a similar supercharged engine in the power range of the SRT-4, although probably not quite as powerful unless chevy has come to the realization fimally that there is money to be made with a hot sport compact.

Rumor goes the SRT-4's recall on rear windshield do to falling out at 80mph.

SRT-4's are quick! Ride one and you'll enjoy the seat-press ride. I did not like the interior though coz of the wrinkly cheap pseudo-leather plastic thingamagiega. I think it's the best bang for the buck if you're into slingshot cars who want to keep more money for mods rather than paying it all to a stock car. For a FWD speed-beast, they can handle curves really well too.

If I was a serious race-buff, I would have the RX-8 for AutoX and Track, and mod out the SRT-4 for drag. Gutt it out, install crazy Mopar upgrades, better LSD, better shocks, drag wheels, etc.

I don't know what's the big deal with them going at RX-8's though. I mean sure we are in the RX-7 bloodline, but geez we have N/A setups here. They have a very light vehicle with powerful turbos on. It's no match on paper, it wont be a match on the street. Save your trannys and race someone in our cars' level (legally, not on the street). I guess most of them assume that we're boosted, so that's why they're so proud about smoking RX-8s. That and our cars are more panty-wetters than their's (which makes a win over us even better).

I drove one (srt4). It was very tempting for the money and practicality. Fortunately the seats were too narrow and it was too noisy on the highway so i skipped over it. The RX-8 (which I now own) has great moves to explore with its low center of gravity and rear drive. BTW, I dunno but I would still rather race and lose than not race at all. Its all fun...

ps. I have owned a few cars that were great deals (like the srt4) and it was obvious to everyone why you bought them, which is ok in my book. But! ... One of the great things about the RX-8 is that its pretty cheap if you dont option it up, yet people dont think you bought it because it was affordable.

pss. the real siren song is that dang evo... what a fun car... blows the neon away...

I agree (with reluctance) that while uglier than a pile of pure sin spawned from the back end of Satan, the EVO is a fun ride...

Originally posted by bluesunlion
Bang for the buck, the SRT 4 is a pretty good car.

However it's still a Dodge.

And SHO is still a Ford and the Mazdaspeed is still just a Protege. We could play that game all day. I've had this discussion with a few different people. True, the interior is ... kinda ugly. Still runs 14.0's @ 100+ in the 1/4. That's pretty fast, dude. :) I HAVE to believe Chrysler did their homework and really kept reliability in focus when they built that car... That 2.4l has not been the best motor.

Originally posted by Domino81
And SHO is still a Ford and the Mazdaspeed is still just a Protege. We could play that game all day. I've had this discussion with a few different people. True, the interior is ... kinda ugly. Still runs 14.0's @ 100+ in the 1/4. That's pretty fast, dude. :) I HAVE to believe Chrysler did their homework and really kept reliability in focus when they built that car... That 2.4l has not been the best motor.

When SRT got ahold of the car they did not have a ton of time for research and development. At first you might think that's a bad thing, but what that led to is them just upgrading things to far superior parts than they would really need in the engine. That 2.4L is about the strongest 4 cylinder engine (parts wise) on the market.

Long time ago, Dodge brought out the GLH Omni. VERY fast 1/4 times.

Drove one at an AutoX-absolutely AWFUL.
If you want to build a car to impress the numbers matter crowd-be my guest.

If you want to drive a car that has some finnesse, try an 8.

Like the differnce between a rapier and a broadsword:)

Originally posted by Seenitall
Long time ago, Dodge brought out the GLH Omni. VERY fast 1/4 times.

Drove one at an AutoX-absolutely AWFUL.
If you want to build a car to impress the numbers matter crowd-be my guest.

If you want to drive a car that has some finnesse, try an 8.

Like the differnce between a rapier and a broadsword:)

The SRT-4 is quite formidable on an autox track.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
The SRT-4 is quite formidable on an autox track.
Any car is formidable if it is in the right class.

If I read SCCA rules right the Forester XT is in the same class as SRT-4

I knew guys in the 1980s who would look at SCCA solo classifications before the season started and run a car that was formidable in its class.
Just an observation

:D :D

It is a real shame to see people bash a car they have never driven. They see a front-wheel drive, dodge neon and automatically think it is crap. That is just being a badge snob. The engine is amazing; they can take up to 500 HP on the stock block. The seats, IMO are pretty damn good. I can see them being too aggressive for some, but they do a good job for what they are intended to do. The last thing is FWD. Obviously, RWD is better, but people are making it out to be much worse than it is. The SRT engineers did a good job keeping it as neutral as possible, and with the 2004 they added LSD, which made it even better.

So for all of you who criticize blindly, go drive it with an open mind and if you truly don't like it, then you are entitled to your own opinion. IMO, it is the best car in its price range (the evo is 7 grand more).

Originally posted by IkeWRX
The SRT-4 is quite formidable on an autox track.

I have a buddy in MD that told me the engine overpowers the rest of the chassis. Doesn't handle as well as I think it should.

Here's the results from the Cent Div autox I was at today, the winner of the FWD street tire class was an SRT-4, and it's PAX score was 5 secs faster than the one RX-8 out there. I know it doesn't prove anything when comparing it to the RX-8 since driver is such a huge factor, but at least it proves that the SRT-4 in a good drivers hand's can be a force in autox. It also won DS, but that's a badly dying division here in the Cen. Division.

http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/Solo/2004/Event3_fin.htm

Originally posted by Velocity-8
I raced one totally legally at Atco Raceway and got smoked. It was totally stock and I have an exhaust and the CZ1 was in.

Wow....maybe you just suck at driving:p . Just joking, SRT-4's are very quick cars, alot faster than one would think. That Neon body style is very deceiving!

Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.

Originally posted by JimW
Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.

The SRT-4 may not be my choice, but you have to give Chysler credit for putting this car on the market. If all the manufacturers were as creative, we all would be a lot better off.

Originally posted by Seenitall
The SRT-4 may not be my choice, but you have to give Chysler credit for putting this car on the market. If all the manufacturers were as creative, we all would be a lot better off. Yes, absolutely. In today's market, speed and power sell big time. Just how many more cars could Mazda have sold with more power while keeping the price affordable, They would be in operation 24-7.

Originally posted by JimW
That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal.
I thought the whole idea behind the stage upgrades were that they were covered under warranty and were emission legal.:confused:

Originally posted by JimW
Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.

I doubt they are making much money on the SRT-4, especially since they are pretty limited production. Dodge is most likely underating them for insurance reasons since they know the crowd it will appeal to will be younger and already have high rates and not a lot of disposable income. The staged upgrades are not emissions legal but only because Dodge has not submissted it to the EPA but most that does not mean they won't pass local emissions tests. As far as being covered undre warranty there is some fine print about Mopar not assuming liability but everything I've heard is that they do not deny claims based on the Mopar staged upgrades.]

Lastly your comment about the RX-8 only needing a small turbo is baselass and pure speculation. So far it seems the RX-8 is not an easy turbo application to do, and it also may be tough to get large gains from doing so. Find me one reliable turbo application that's been done so far on the RX-8 where they are running 12s or dynoing at 300whp and I'll believe your statement.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Find me one reliable turbo application that's been done so far on the RX-8 where they are running 12s or dynoing at 300whp and I'll believe your statement.

you + about a thousand other people on this board are waiting to see that:)

Originally posted by zoom44
you + about a thousand other people on this board are waiting to see that:)

I'd like to see it, it just bugs me when people are like "oh just throw a turbo on it and it'll be better/faster than blah blah blah". It just isn't that easy.

all this thread needs is a good virtual arm wrestling match! ;)

toodles

-k

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I'd like to see it, it just bugs me when people are like "oh just throw a turbo on it and it'll be better/faster than blah blah blah". It just isn't that easy. I do not need a basis to prove anything to you or anyone else and never said anything about being easy or hard. If it bugs you, then don't read the damn threads. You don't have to reply either. I'm only using a (comparison) as if it had a turbo, or if one becomes available. If the RX8 has 238 H.P.and additional forced induction, it shouldn't be unrealistic to think it could match the power of and SRT-4. Now do me a favor and move away from that second banana behind you, in your avatar!

Originally posted by JimW
I do not need a basis to prove anything to you or anyone else and never said anything about being easy or hard. If it bugs you, then don't read the damn threads. You don't have to reply either. I'm only using a (comparison) as if it had a turbo, or if one becomes available. If the RX8 has 238 H.P.and additional forced induction, it shouldn't be unrealistic to think it could match the power of and SRT-4. Now do me a favor and move away from that second banana behind you, in your avatar!

1.) The 04 SRT-4 has about 230-240 WHP

2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my butt)

3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up.

4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation

5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) The 04 SRT-4 has about 230-240 WHP

2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my ass)

3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up.

4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation

5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on.

I thought little bickering matches like this were not allowed on the forum>?????? could we just maybe make a kids table or something of the sort where these things can go on so I don't have to view them when I don't want to- come on my kids read this thing!!!!

Bickering match? It's a discussion about cars... What exactly did I say that would be offensive to your kids, besides maybe the word donkey???

the word "ass" and simply-if this was in person I doubt it could be referred to as a "discussion" I am done- I am not going to be sucked into an arguement with you- those are for my kids :)

Fixed just for your kids :D

On a side note, the overly hyper politically correct expectations of our society is starting to drive me batty. My brother got a call from daycare last week because some parents called to compalin about my 4 year old nephew using the word poop around their children. They told him "poop is a potty word, and potty words aren't allowed".

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Fixed just for your kids :D

On a side note, the overly hyper politically correct expectations of our society is starting to drive me batty. My brother got a call from daycare last week because some parents called to compalin about my 4 year old nephew using the word poop around their children. They told him "poop is a potty word, and potty words aren't allowed".

"donkey" = kain :)

Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) The 04 SRT-4 has about 230-240 WHP...I agree

2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my butt)... I can only go by what Mazda advertises. and you can't get and accurate dyno measurement with this car, especially without a chasis dyno.

3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up... That is because I have nothing to prove. I never said I have or know of a FI RX8 that has 300 WHP. I only stated my opinion, that if it were turbo it can get this kind of power. This isn't the technical section, so opinions should be allowed.

4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation... Maybe, or you might not need one at all. I'm not knocking the SRT-4, I happen to think it's a terrific bargain for it's performance output, but if you take the turbo off the car, do you think it's going to have 238 H.P. at the crank?

5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on. Hey Ike, I'm just kidding you about the banana joke. Don't take it seriously although it was bad taste. I'm sorry I do not agree with you. Nobody's on the witness stand. Today's dreams do not become tomorrows realities with that philosophy.

your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife :) it is all about taste baby!!!! ;)

Originally posted by JimW
Hey Ike, I'm just kidding you about the banana joke. Don't take it seriously although it was bad taste. I'm sorry I do not agree with you. Nobody's on the witness stand. Today's dreams do not become tomorrows realities with that philosophy.

My basic point was that we just don't know. There are plenty of examples of cars out there that get FI added to an NA engine and they just aren't that impressive. I hope you're right about the RX-8 eventually having a good turbo kit that produces insane numbers, but as of now no one really knows. But as of now in stock form the SRT-4 is way underrated and the RX-8 appears to be a bit overrated so going by manufacturer hp claims is a bit deceiving in this case. It also appears that people thus far are having a hell of a time adding FI to the renesis. I'm not trying to have a flame war here, just discussing cars which is something I love to do.

Ike

Originally posted by Kain
your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife :) it is all about taste baby!!!! ;) ...And my 9 inch Wusthof-trident Chef Knife (RX8) slices like butter, and continualy keeps me coming back for more helpings...:D

Originally posted by IkeWRX
My basic point was that we just don't know. There are plenty of examples of cars out there that get FI added to an NA engine and they just aren't that impressive. I hope you're right about the RX-8 eventually having a good turbo kit that produces insane numbers, but as of now no one really knows. But as of now in stock form the SRT-4 is way underrated and the RX-8 appears to be a bit overrated so going by manufacturer hp claims is a bit deceiving in this case. It also appears that people thus far are having a hell of a time adding FI to the renesis. I'm not trying to have a flame war here, just discussing cars which is something I love to do.

Ike I agree, it's been a longtime coming after turbos were supposed to be in production for the aftermarket for a while now. Maybe soon.

Originally posted by Kain
your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife :) it is all about taste baby!!!! ;)

The Grand Prix blows the Trident away, it does the 1/4 mile .3 seconds faster due to it's aerdynamic nature! I guess we could call the SRT-4 the ginsu on the car world, gets the job done, is cheap, and seemingly durable :)

Originally posted by IkeWRX
The Grand Prix blows the Trident away, it does the 1/4 mile .3 seconds faster due to it's aerdynamic nature! I guess we could call the SRT-4 the ginsu on the car world, gets the job done, is cheap, and seemingly durable :)

an analogy a day keeps the :( away! :) a ginsu though!!! thanx for making me laugh out loud this afternoon :) a nice break from all the coding I have to do today

Originally posted by Kain
an analogy a day keeps the :( away! :) a ginsu though!!! thanx for making me laugh out loud this afternoon :) a nice break from all the coding I have to do today

No wonder you're grumpy, writing code will do that to anyone :D

Originally posted by IkeWRX
No wonder you're grumpy, writing code will do that to anyone :D

yeah well <b>sorry</b> about that- :)

- <i>kain</i>

Originally posted by red_rx8_red_int
Yep, 0-60 in sub 6 times for 20K. Can't be beat for speed value. For quality and luxury, that's another story. I think for speed value the Saturn ion redline (when it comes out) will be a contender to the SRT 4.

Not quite, the SRT4 has a very very strong motor that can handle 500hp. The Satun is new in the power game so I don't see it being competitive.

Originally posted by Hanzo
Not quite, the SRT4 has a very very strong motor that can handle 500hp. The Satun is new in the power game so I don't see it being competitive. yeah, just take a look at SRTgirl over in the SRT-4 forums. I think she was running 12's on bolt on's. That's great for any front wheel drive car.