I like the concept of a rotary engine, the nifty rear doors, the rigid chassis, the unusual looks and the sky high revs. I would love the lighter and more powerful RX7 even more, so don't go off and call me a "troll" when I say that if anyone read the Car&Driver comparo of the G35coupe, RX8 and the Mustang SVT, they would think the G35c won based on their comments alone, unless you read the last part of the article.

The G35c is, per the article, better looking, more powerful (hp and torque), faster and has a higher quality interior! Yet the RX8 is the winner? What gives? In the RX8's favor are a better transmission (gear shift feel), less weight, ease of entry to the rear seats and more head room in the rear. The RX8 is priced lower too (though the dealer gouging is yet to be seen). On the other hand one can have an automatic G35 with the same power as the manual while the RX8 in auto transmission has only 210 horses.

If performance alone was the consideration, the G35 would win (the Mustang wins only in straight line performance) but if ease of entry into the rear and head room in the rear are the paramount considerations, the RX8 wins.

I feel that until the RX7 comes along with an even lighter body and an even more powerful engine, the RX8 cannot compete with the more powerful coupes.

If however, your main consideration in picking a car is that it be fast enough, playful enough, affordable enough, convenient enough for four and good looking enough BUT not necessarily excell in any one parameter then you can hardly pick a better car than the RX8. This car is the automotive equivalent of .....the road less taken.....

Before I call you a troll... somebody lock this.

Actually let me rephrase...

Before I call you a troll... do a search please. This has been discussed to death. And by the way, the G35 would have lost by a bigger margin had it not been for the RX-8 being a base model with NOTHING in it, and the G35 being loaded. It lost 5 points on Features and Amenities because of that.

But all the things that matter... the RX-8 got a perfect 10 score:

Handling
Braking
Fun to Drive
Price
Transmission

I don't see how the G35 Coupe would win by not garnering a perfect 10 in those categories as well. It was close but get a loaded RX-8 against a loaded G35 and per Car and Driver's review.... the RX-8 would have been more than 5 points ahead of the G35.

So please close this topic and contribute to the many ongoing threads about this in the Media section.

Hmmm, yet another troll obsessed with the g35, the next rx-7, and torque. Someone should do an IP check, I think we have a case of multiple personalities here...

Herc: There we go again, magazine comparisons with absolutely no hands on experience. Yeah, I'd call that credibility. I suppose a fully equipped Accord would beat out a stripped Audi A8 in terms of luxury because it has all the gadgets.


shiftright, the RX8 isn't out yet, so you'll just have to wait or check one out at the autoshow. On the other hand, if you are interested in the G35C, then head over to Freshalloy.com and look for some info from 'real owners' of the car. I'd be happy to give you some info if you want to send me a private message me. (apparently all discussion of the G35C or 350Z automaticly gets labeled as 'troll' by Hercules)

I merely suggested that instead of starting another thread with the exact same comments as most trolls... for him to participate in the ongoing threads in the Media section.

And that goes for you too.

Apparently you love to post but not to read, because I referred to you in my other post to a compliment. And reading FreshAlloy it's nice to come back here because most people compliment the G35 Coupe and other cars whereas the 350Z and G35 owners CONSTANTLY bash the competition from BMW, Audi, and now Mazda. The holier-than-thou attitude (and I'm not saying it's you) is just sad over there.

It's also sad that most of the people posting there are immature little kids that like to stoplight race, something we fortunately ruled out a long time ago. There will be no posting of any such retarded discussions on this forum and it's the better for it.

I have posted a message concerning the G35/350Z and if you want to read that it would probably explain a lot of what my comments come from.

If you don't however, you *will* be a troll and will also be treated as such. Elara made an excellent point that if we went to the FreshAlloy forums and our first post began with how the G35 understeers like crazy, is overpriced, and the RX-8 beat it in a competition... they wouldn't take kindly to us either.

Tread lightly..

Why, exactly, do we have yet ANOTHER thread on this issue?

Originally posted by shiftright
The G35c is, per the article, better looking, more powerful (hp and torque), faster and has a higher quality interior!


Better looking? not imho
More Powerful? Yes
Faster? Accleration yes, track by 0.1s (real difference?)
Higher Quality interior? No, that was the base RX-8

RX-8 definitely wins.

The cumulative knowledge and expertise in the arena of automotive design and engineering, performance and reliability, handling and sheer fun has been distilled into the design and manufacture of this one perfect car, the one and only RX8. It has been endowed with the perfect weight, the perfect torque, the perfect horsepower, the perfect price, the perfect number of doors, the perfect shape and the perfect name. This perfection by definition has no flaws whatsoever and any hint by any mere human that it may be less than perfect (gasp!!) in any way, shape or form will be proof that the party responsible for the blasphemy is (drum roll please.....) a.........troll!!!!!!!

There, that should make you very happy Hercules and the rest of the followers of the perfect religion of the holy RX8. Amen.

ps. please get a life.....it is just a car....no car (none) is perfect and nor is this.....and give the word "troll" a rest.;)

I never called you a troll. I just encouraged you (two times now), to post your questions or comments in the threads that are ongoing in the Media Section.

So if you decide to persist by making comments in the wrong section, and starting by saying the G35 has all the great qualities, and "what gives?" by giving the RX-8 the top honors.

That's why you go to the Media Section, read the article for the particulars on WHY they rated it better (this isn't me talking, read the bloody magazine, read the RATING SYSTEM), and then ask questions about something specific.

It's how we bolster discussion here, it's how questions get answered, and it's how this forum is a service to the RX-8 community and anybody that would have questions about the car. But if you think I'm going to sit around and tolerate your first post being a trolling one, you're very wrong. And you'll soon find yourself banned in that method. I think Skyline is well on his way.

lol, of course nothing is perfect, thats why i made a poll in the tech section about power increase.

But remember what we've just went through.....threads and threads about torque torque and more torque. We're answering one thread, another one pops up....then another....then another

By the end of it, the RX-8 seemed little better than a sedan! Enough to make anyone's head spin. Backlash in inevitable. ;)

Your threat to ban forum members who disagree with your opinions on the RX8 is disappointing to say the least. Not the attitude I would expect from a moderator.

Originally posted by shiftright
Your threat to ban forum members who disagree with your opinions on the RX8 is disappointing to say the least. Not the attitude I would expect from a moderator. Read my other post then. Believe me it's not just differening views.

Trolling will not be tolerated on this forum. Simple as that.

Originally posted by chenpin
lol, of course nothing is perfect

cars that might be perfect:
mclaren f1
AMG SL 55
AMG CL 600
Ferrari Enzo

cars that aren't:
anything an average upper middle class person can afford

Me want McLaren F1 :D

Originally posted by pmacwill


cars that might be perfect:
mclaren f1
AMG SL 55
AMG CL 600
Ferrari Enzo

cars that aren't:
anything an average upper middle class person can afford

awww, that there is the only reason why they aren't perfect, imo. Too expensive for the average upper middle class person.

but would I take one? Hellya! :D

In all fairness though, I have no argument about people that prefer the G35 or 350 or evo or sti or whatever coming here and making their point, but if you are going to come make your point, make sure you read all the threads. do a search, whatever.

same goes for someone that is coming on here to ask for a picture of the glovebox, or exhaust manifold, or someone that has a question about what brand the factory stereo is.

It just gets tiring to come on here, see 30 new threads, all of which have already been discussed ad nauseum.

SO if someone calls you a troll, its not because you have a differing view point necessarily, its because you didn't take the time to become acustomed to the forum and read through before posting the same thing I've read twice a week for the past 4 months.

so stop. this thread is childish. end it.

Exactly!!!

same goes for someone that is coming on here to ask for a picture of the glovebox, or exhaust manifold, or someone that has a question about what brand the factory stereo is.

Jeez, you're a generous and welcoming soul aren't you.

What I wanna know about that comparison test is where was the BMW 330i???

Did C&D purposely leave it out of the running because the competition has gotten exponentially more fierce in that segment?

Is C&D shielding the 330i from worthy adversaries???

Me thinks there is a conspiracy afoot... ;)

Automobile magazine compares the rx-8 with both the 350z and 330i 4 door. Overall the rx-8 seemed to make the editors happy. Quick question, do you think there will be more torque in next year's version of the 8?

Originally posted by dankgummy
Automobile magazine compares the rx-8 with both the 350z and 330i 4 door. Overall the rx-8 seemed to make the editors happy. Quick question, do you think there will be more torque in next year's version of the 8? No, but likely it will be in the MPS version of the RX-8.

the bmw 330ci cost upwards to 7-10K more than the rx-8. i can see someone doing a comparo with the two, and the rx will get huge points on lower costs just like the g35 did when it came out and beat the 330 , i think on CandD... anyways, the rx will hold up well to the beemer as performance is right on, and the handling is hopefully going to be similar to the beemers... as for the g35c, somebody who said the interior is nice should look at the audi, and even the bmws... if the rx8 is worse that the g35c, i would be a little disappointed.. the g35c interior is not great, as the 350z is just horrible imo

Originally posted by shiftright
I like the concept of a rotary engine, the nifty rear doors, the rigid chassis, the unusual looks and the sky high revs. I would love the lighter and more powerful RX7 even more, so don't go off and call me a "troll" when I say that if anyone read the Car&Driver comparo of the G35coupe, RX8 and the Mustang SVT, they would think the G35c won based on their comments alone, unless you read the last part of the article.


Well, in the magazine, they just determines "the winner" by adding up point from different catergories (while each category is rated with a 10 points scale system). It just happens that the RX-8 beat the G35 Coupe by slight margin so that's why the RX-8 was declared the winner.

Originally posted by shiftright

The G35c is, per the article, better looking, more powerful (hp and torque), faster and has a higher quality interior! Yet the RX8 is the winner? What gives? In the RX8's favor are a better transmission (gear shift feel), less weight, ease of entry to the rear seats and more head room in the rear. The RX8 is priced lower too (though the dealer gouging is yet to be seen). On the other hand one can have an automatic G35 with the same power as the manual while the RX8 in auto transmission has only 210 horses.


Absolutely, the G35 in terms of the Power and Interior goodies definitely beats out the RX-8. But again, they determine the winner by their point system from each of the categories so I guess you felt their point system is not sufficient enough to truely represent the cars ?

Just wanted to know, which of these of category you felt the cars weren't represented fairly in the system ?

I feel that until the RX7 comes along with an even lighter body and an even more powerful engine, the RX8 cannot compete with the more powerful coupes.

Well, the RX7 wouldn't really be considered a coupe then would it.

Originally posted by Hercules

But all the things that matter... the RX-8 got a perfect 10 score:

Handling
Braking
Fun to Drive
Price
Transmission


I think things like engine performance kind of matters when I get a car.

Is it me, or does it seem like Herc and some other members here are on a high horses? I've been reading from this forum for a long time, and I can't believe how unaccepted non-rx8 praise is.

Anything negative commented about the RX-8 MUST be presented with upmost diplomacy, lest you be considered a troll. And if you don't have enough posts, they'll just label you as a newbie, then consider you a troll. I'm going to use Herc as an example here, because....well....he seems to be the ringleader in this whole "high and mighty" scenario. I've seen plenty of his posts pissing on newer members. Heck, he even gives the "I've got more posts than you" attitude. Just recently (too lazy to search and quote), he told someone off saying that the person (I'm going to paraphrase) "hasn't anything to contribute, look at the low post count".
I must agree that some people are baiting (and trolling). But lots of times, I see posts that seem pretty decent, and seem to be true questions or points, then SLAMMMM!!!! The "RX-8 is the greatest, don't diss our car, I'm a super-fanatical future buyer, I've been in this forum longer therefore I know better than you" crew goes and takes the comment apart.

Take this thread for example. The person starting the post was making a point as to why the TONE of the article showed more praise for the G35, but lost in the point system. I don't remember reading this point in any previous thread (though it might have just slipped through), and I've been visiting this thread 8-10 times a day for the past several months. Yes, yes, yes, there are several threads about that C&D review, but I don't remember people making points about the actual TONE of the article.

Anyways, had to get all this off my chest.....all this intolerance was about to make me burst, and I just had to vent.

Time to go hide in a hole now, because I pretty sure I'm about to be flamed for siding with the "nay-sayers"

I'll clarify my position.

Yes, I did say that one member had a low postcount and had contributed nothing.

But that's also because that same member started here by trolling. When your first five posts consist of "the RX-8 isn't safe" or "engine is inferior", or just attacking Mazda as a company... well in my eyes you're not here for constructive debate.

I simply pointed out that this person had in his 20 some-odd posts, had mainly posted negative things and that this is no way to build a conversation or have a friendly debate. If they were founded comments then I'd be happy to debate him about it -- but they weren't.

I don't care that people talk ill of the RX-8. Just show me some proof is all I'm asking. This also fosters good debate and also can show Mazda how people are reacting instead of ultimately playing favorites with their respective car or car company.

It benefits nobody to have trolls that are here for the singular reason to start arguements. I believe the notion was correct in that we have to ignore them but invariably that won't happen (and I'm guilty of it myself), and thus we need to have a strict ban policy or else this site will get out of control.

Anyhoo, if you've got a particular comment or question I'd be glad to answer it. But if there's a thread ongoing about it I'd prefer you use that. I'm sure I'll find ya :)

I'm with Herc on this one....

You don't come to a board for a specific car and lambast that car on your first post to the forum. Period. And especially without searching and realizing that it's been done thousands of times before. All this "Yeah, but if you only read part of the C&D article, my car clearly wins" crap is childish and ignorant.

And as far as this Skyline dude is concerned, I'm not going to advance the onset of carpel tunnel any more keystrokes than I already have.....

I belieive Herc's point and the points of most of our responsible, active moderators here is that if you're going to dis the RX8, have a little fact, or at least some semi-logical opinion behind it.

I have been Internet-saavy for many, many years now (pre-ISP days where all you had were BBCs), and have found very few forums as informative, more-or-less on topic, and free of immature, ignorant flaming and banter as this one. I'd like to see it continue that way, and if that means that the mods have to come down harshly on people who behave poorly, I'll gladly accept that.

Yes, the first amendment does say that you have a right to freedom of speech, but if you come into my house and talk crap to me with no provocation and an unwillingness to debate any fact, I'll show you the door in little to no time. Same rules should apply here.

Originally posted by Hercules

But that's also because that same member started here by trolling. When your first five posts consist of "the RX-8 isn't safe" or "engine is inferior", or just attacking Mazda as a company... well in my eyes you're not here for constructive debate.

I simply pointed out that this person had in his 20 some-odd posts, had mainly posted negative things and that this is no way to build a conversation or have a friendly debate. If they were founded comments then I'd be happy to debate him about it -- but they weren't.

I don't care that people talk ill of the RX-8. Just show me some proof is all I'm asking. This also fosters good debate and also can show Mazda how people are reacting instead of ultimately playing favorites with their respective car or car company.

It benefits nobody to have trolls that are here for the singular reason to start arguements.


Granted that there are some trolls her that just talk trash and leave.
But you also have to realize that your reference to "constructive debate" and "arguements" are basically the same thing. Seriously now....what's the difference between these two things, except for the amount of emotion put into them? (and the amount of diplomacy put into the phrasing of their "debate")

I (like I'm sure most of everyone here) wish some of the "trolling" is just phrased better, then we would all have a better time "debating"......

It's like someone saying, "I wish the RX-8 had more low end torque" versus saying "I wonder if the Renesis engine can produce more torque, and if so, by what means would you do it?"
They're both basically saying the same thing. One just hides the personal aspect of it better, and doesn't "insult" the RX-8....
Maybe it's just the way I read things.....both of these, to me, would produce the same response of, "gee, how can it get more torque? and what would be the best way?"
But most people here would just flame at the first saying, and treat the second one far more favorably.

All I'm asking is for the troll-callers to see through the "packaging" of the "debate/arguement".....

DISCLAIMER: I do realize some of these peeps are really trolls....but I've seen plenty with real questions and valid concerns be grouped in the "troll" category.

threeput thanks for voicing your opinion on the matter and not going to hide in your hole. it is appreciated. i think you said it better than most :cool: