What are you paying for your RX-8? [Archive]

dtech114

02-27-2003, 08:53 PM

Mine will be $28,300 + 6% sales tax + tag transfer of ~$100

Yeah, don't let the dealers nail you with one of those "I can't take the dealer fee off the contract, it would be illegal" ploys. "Dealer fees" are the same thing as that famous side sticker some dealers try to put up next to the factory sticker. Both can be read as ADDITIONAL DEALER PROFIT. Those are used on cars / deals to recoup some or all of the cost of the customer haggling down the price of a car. Just when you think you came to an agreement on price, they try and add Dealer / Dealer Prep fees, which is a fancy way of saying "we'll take back some of that "discount" we just gave you, thanks.

Make sure you guys make it clear up front whether or not there will be any surprise fees on the buyers order / contract and whether or not that is what you are agreeing to. Personally, for any car sold for MSRP, dealers shouldn't expect to try and gouge the customer for an additional few hundred dollars. It won't be worth the friction it can create with the customer and cause them not to be a repeat customer or even back out of the sale.

MSRP + tax + tag (again no dealer fees or add-ons) is a fair price to pay for this car considering it's a preorder program where all the dealer has to do is collect the order information and take a deposit.

RotorGeek

02-28-2003, 12:24 AM

Hey dtech114 what dealer did you go to. I live in miramar. I went to Gunther. They were cool MSRP+TAX+TAG.

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 01:19 AM

Boy have I got a story for y'all...

Went to a local dealer.. (neglecting to say who).. Was primed to put my $1000 down for the car of my choice. This dealer had some wack way of doing the pre-order. They had a list of 6 or so RXs to choose from and told me that's what I could get. None of which was of the color or package I wanted. STRIKE 1. I urged them to understand I am pre-ordering the car of my choice, not what you folks have coming to you. THAT'S BS.

Ok so we got past that fiasco and I finally told them what I wanted in my RX. Finally! Now we can talk price. Here I am thinking, cool, MSRP + Tax + Fees, more than reasonable.

NOPE. Dealer tells me my price.. I pay the MSRP, plus destination fee (520), plus 10% (dealer vaseline), then finally tax and fees. At this point, I'm like WHAAAAT? You must be high!? Over 33K for a Touring. STRIKE 2, 3, OUUUUUUUUT!

Anyone, someone, tell me walking away from that was smart?!

Gosh I feel insulted. If the dealer happens to come here and read this post, you know who you are. Look at what dealers around the country are doing. What makes you so different??

JEEEEZ :confused: :confused: :confused:

dtech114

02-28-2003, 03:01 AM

You did the right thing RX-Nut! Based on what I mentioned above, I'm sure there are plenty of dealers that will be happy to sell you one for MSRP and without the BS. Even if it means having to drive a little further to another dealer in another town, don't let dealers take advantage of you. They are are only hurting themselves when they act like greedy jerks! :mad:

That's why some dealers end up being "warranty repair depots" because they force customers to further away dealers to buy the cars and then complain when you bring the car there for warranty service (which is illegal by the way). That's when they have to look at the big picture and say "let's build a long term sales AND service relationship with the customer", instead of "let's try and take them for everything they got up front!"

Again, good job RX-Nut! If I were you, I would mention the dealer here to warn other RX shoppers in your area. Dealers should know that word of mouth about a bad experience travels fast, and even faster on the Internet! ;)

RotorGeek:

Nice to see another South Florida RX-8 enthusiast RotorGeek. I'm getting mine at Marlin Mazda after having a good experience with them with my wife's MPV. Sometimes going to a smaller dealership where the sales person turnover is substantially less than the "auto malls", has its advantages!

I actually had bought my present car (1.8T Jetta) at Gunther Volkswagen, but when I went to the Mazda there for my wife's MPV, I didn't get the same treatment so I bought the MPV, and just now, placed my RX-8 order with Marlin Mazda. Glad Gunther worked out for you though.

Anyone else in South Florida looking to preorder, check out Marlin Mazda and ask for Tito Zapata, he will take care of you. Tell him Dan from Pembroke Pines sent you!

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 03:06 AM

If anyone wants to know where NOT to go, PM me and I'll let you know.. dont want to kill that dealer's rep. I try to be nice where I can ;)

STi-Nut

02-28-2003, 03:35 AM

This is my first post here, but as you can see from my name, I am not exactly the biggest of RX series cars. Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate the merits and qualities of such a fine lineage, but being the close friend of RX-Nut... I felt it to be a little funny to get the same car. (Also, if they make the mutant blue, I'll be first in line for it.)

Anywayz, I was witness to the events that transpired to RX-Nut. I was speechless, I didn't know what to say. It was insulting to say the least. The dude know that were inquired first over the internet. We work in the IT field. You'd think that they'd know that they shouldn't mess with us because of the fact that we CAN find out information they think only they are privy too. (On a side note, I used to sell motorcycles, and the tactics are the same.) RX-Nut and I are now still trying to figure out how the guy came out with that figure. Hell, the way he explained it, it seemed as though he was taking on a dealer markup and the tax he was charging. How do you figure that... 10% markup on MSRP+the bogus destination charge+sales tax. Sheesh.. what an indecent way to make money.

Just to let y'all know, the name of this dealer is Cutter Mazda here in Hawai'i. They are the so-called "no-hassle, best deals in Hawai'i." They send RX-Nut all kinds of email how they can, cannot, can, cannot, can, cannot, can.. sell the car without a markup; "Just come down." We get there and all this crap happens. Waste of time and money. (Hell the salesperson called the RX-8 a 6 cylinder car.)

Here's the best part y'all. We went to this same dealer the day before trying to see if RX-Nut can work out a deal without any real mention of serious involvement with this other dude. RX-Nut was literally slapping em in the face with a 1000 dollar check saying "write me up, what will the final price be." They were like, "We don't know the final price but the $1000 helps ensure that you'll get the car of your choice." Haha.. ridiculous. So that basically means that if you put your 1000 down, when the car comes in we'll slap a 45 percent markup fee, and you gotta pay for it. ahahhahahahahaha... make you cry i tell you. And this was the assistant sales manager. RX-Nut was ready to close the deal, and he couldn't see it. How many salesmen would kill for an easy sale such as this.

It really is going to be an experience trying to get this car for RX-Nut. I just don't hope that when I go for my STi, it won't be this bad. Then again, I am personally make sure it isn't.

:p cheers :p

STi-Nut

Elara

02-28-2003, 07:23 AM

You guys might want to think about calling Mazda customer service on them- Mazda is discouraging that kind of idiocy, and may give them a call to ding them if you let them know what's going on.

JTek_55

02-28-2003, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by dtech114
Nice to see another South Florida RX-8 enthusiast RotorGeek.

Another SoFla boy here... I live in Plantation and I ordered mine from Gunther Mazda too. I dealt with Hector and he seems pretty good. I guess I will see ya on the road. Hey, I was thinkin, we should probably try to setup some sort of RX club down here. There are already a couple of em out here I know, but it might be cool to start one with a bunch of new RX-8 owners.

BTW: RX-Nut, the dealer may have given you that choice of six cars in certain colors in order to sell you one from the very first pre-order. My dealer did the same thing for me because I did not order until Jan 25. What they probably did, is ordered the full allowed alotment on the pre-order with fake names on the car orders. Then when someone comes in and says they want to order, they take your deposit and stick your name onto one of the cars that are coming in. It kind of sucks because they may not have ordered one in your color or options, but if they did, you get your car right along with everyone else that ordered on Jan 8!!! Just a thought...

EDIT: Typos

jonalan

02-28-2003, 10:14 AM

... 10% markup on MSRP+the bogus destination charge+sales tax. Sheesh.. what an indecent way to make money.
FYI, the destination fee is a legitimate charge. It's usually around $500.

justinm2

02-28-2003, 10:17 AM

The destination charge is already included in the MSRP. they are trying to insult his intelligence and charge it twice.

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 10:23 AM

JTek.. Yea that would have been great if they had my options.. But they didnt. Also, I would then be stuck with their crazy price scheme.

And yes they slapped Destination on twice.. MSRP already has it. How rude.

We dont have much Mazda dealers here in Hawaii (3 I believe), I hope I dont get the same thing with the others or I may be forced to forego the car. :(

dtech114

02-28-2003, 10:50 AM

JTek / RotorGeek

I was thinking the same thing about the SoFla RX-8 club. :)

We'll all have to keep in touch on this forum as we get our cars. It would be kind of kewl to drive over to Tower Shoppes on a Friday night with a group of other RX-8s and claim some additional parking spaces in the name of rotary technology, performance, and awesome looking car design!

:-D

Back on topic.....

MSRP most definitely includes a destination charge so they are just trying to take advantage of you. You can always report them to Mazda, since that is outright misrepresentation on the dealer's part. The best way to get the deal you want is to submit your order to another local dealer via the Internet so they have the exact specs and options you want, then let them know right off the bat that you can show them a printout from an RX-8 forum showing that EVERYONE else is getting the same MSRP deal across America. Last I checked, Hawaii was still the 50th state in the US. ;)

I would venture to bet that Mazda (like Subaru had with the WRX and some other manufacturers also do), have a "gentlemen's agreement" / non-public internal mandate with their dealers, that they should NOT be trying to charge you over MSRP for this car. Mazda could "adjust" the car allocations of dealers that do not adhere to this "policy" or even cut them off completely.

This car is going to be produced in good numbers, so Mazda would be smart in keeping the price gouging under control to keep all parties involved happy. I'm sure they don't want the car getting priced out of its target market with rediculous markups and given the fact everyone here I 've seen is getting the same pricing of MSRP, it pretty much indicates that it is indeed a Mazda internal policy.

Doesn't mean dealers won't try the usual tactics of "dealer fees", "side stickers", and "dealer accessories". Those are the ones you need to look out for and take your business elsewhere if they persist in trying to fleece you once you explain to them you are not going to be taken advantage of.

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 10:59 AM

Amen to that.. I mean it's not like I couldnt pay the insane amount they wanted, it's just that I shouldnt have to.

Oh yes, I intend on sending word to Mazda on this. Anyone know their email address or phone? I was going to use the rx8orders@mazdausa.com address..

:( :( :(

dtech114

02-28-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by RX-Nut
Amen to that.. I mean it's not like I couldnt pay the insane amount they wanted, it's just that I shouldnt have to.

Oh yes, I intend on sending word to Mazda on this. Anyone know their email address or phone? I was going to use the rx8orders@mazdausa.com address..

:( :( :(

That e-mail address should be perfect. That way they can redirect your order to the other dealer, and already forewarn the other dealer of your negative experience. I bet the other dealer will treat you A LOT nicer, especially if they get an e-mail from Mazda about your order and situation.

Go for it! :)

STi-Nut

02-28-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by jonalan

FYI, the destination fee is a legitimate charge. It's usually around $500.

This is one of the well known scams in the dealership world. How it works it this... They charge you the customer the additional destination charge. If you don't dispute it and pay everything, they (dealer) are more happy for it because they just made a hella lot more profit than they legitately would have. One the other hand, say you are one to negotiate and say you want $1000 bux off MSRP and the dealer agrees. Now with the tacked on destination charge, they just recouped some of their losses.

Also another trick that most dealers will try is negotiate the price before adding taxes, doc, and title fees . So while you think you are getting a good deal, they add exhorbiant amount of doc fees and such then say, those are the standard fees. (Again to recoup some lost profits. Think about it, does it really cost $175 (here in Hawaii) to file paperwork.) While I realize that the RX-8 probably is non-negotiable, just food for thought. So the solutions folks for future car purchases: Deal on the TOTAL price you wanna pay, not how much of the MSRP.

CraziFuzzy

02-28-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by JTek_55

... the dealer may have given you that choice of six cars in certain colors in order to sell you one from the very first pre-order...

My dealer (who was a VERY reputable one) did this, but they were actually straight with me about it, instead of saying "These are your choices"... they had 2 left in they're first allotment, so they ordered what they thought would sell easily. After i told the guy what I wanted, he offered to give me one of the January ordered ones, so I could get it earlier. I would have been okay with this, but I had no need to, since I won't be able to get my car (I'll be out of the country) until mid July anyways, so the 'early bird special' would still be available to someone who could actually get it. But i really did appreciate it... the only difference between the car I wanted and the car he had coming was that his had the Nav opeion, but they offered to call Mazda and delete it for me... Keep in mind that according to Mazda's internal ranking, this is the 2nd rated dealer in the country in terms of customer satisfaction (also the single oldest mazda dealer)...

justinm2

02-28-2003, 11:38 AM

The "tactics" you're talking about are common to all cars, not just specialty cars.

A documentation/admin fee is going to be on any car you buy. Depending on the state regulations they can range from $59-$999+. This fee is intended to cover the cost of doing business. It costs money to pay the office staff that does all your registration paper work, the technition that inspects your car after it comes off the truck, the guy in the wash bay that washes it, the porter that puts gas in it, and yes there typically is some profit built into it, but it is very minimal. And yes (before you ask) those cost could come out of the profit made on the car, but keep in mind, with websites like edmunds, invoice dealers, stoneage, jd power, etc., on most of the new cars we sell there is very little profit and this fee is one of the things that keeps a dealers lights on. Besides how many rediculas fees do you end up paying when you buy a house. Imho this fee is very fair. (of course i am a little biased)

Addendum stickers can go one of two ways. Sometimes they are for ligitimate products (leather added, moonroof added, spoiler added, etc.) in this case it is to be expected that they add the cost of what ever they added to the car to the price. On the other hand some dealers have addendum stickers for what we call "rust and dust", or "mop and glow" these are just BS things, that they may or maynot have put on the car with huge profit margins

limited availability markups are just greedy plain and simple. don't pay these when there are countless dealers willing to sell at MSRP.

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 01:19 PM

With all this sly dealer tactics being said, has anyone who has already ordered their car, encountered this kind of treachery during your order process?

eccles

02-28-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by dtech114
That's why some dealers end up being "warranty repair depots" because they force customers to further away dealers to buy the cars and then complain when you bring the car there for warranty service (which is illegal by the way).I'm having trouble parsing that sentence - please clarify: are you saying that the practice of taking your car elsewhere for service is illegal, or that complaining about it is illegal? I can't believe that complaining is against the law, but neither can I believe that exercising one's freedom of choice is outlawed. Can you cite legislation for either? Thanks.

justinm2

02-28-2003, 03:37 PM

What he's saying is it's illigal for a dealership to decline you warranty service on your car just because you didn't buy it at that particular dealership

dtech114

02-28-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by eccles
I'm having trouble parsing that sentence - please clarify: are you saying that the practice of taking your car elsewhere for service is illegal, or that complaining about it is illegal? I can't believe that complaining is against the law, but neither can I believe that exercising one's freedom of choice is outlawed. Can you cite legislation for either? Thanks.

Thanks Justin...:)

Let me clarify....I meant that I have heard and have seen first hand some dealer service department personnel (including a manager) actually ask if the car being serviced was purchased there, kinda like saying "you didn't buy it here yet you want it serviced here???". I'm sure any manufacturer would have something to say about a dealer doing that to a customer, but it does happen.

It happens moreso with dealers that try and gouge customers and then get po'd because the customer bought the car at a different dealer and then brought it there to be serviced under warranty out of convenience.

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 04:36 PM

Here's what Mazda replied in regards to the crazy dealer stunt I experienced (PS, names have been changed to protect the innocent)..

Dear RX-Nut,

I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you.

Regarding your e-mail, I have personally called Cutter Mazda and reviewed your questions with Cxx Lxx (Sales Manager) and
Pxx Bxx (Internet Manager). In order to explain their reply, I would like to give you a little background on the RX-8 Pre-Sell program.

Please understand that only certain Mazda dealerships have RX-8
allocation, which means that they have been given a certain number of
vehicles to sell for the pre-sell period. Each dealership then only has
three specific dates to place orders for vehicles (January 15th,
February 8th, and March 7th). Please keep in mind that because each
Mazda dealership is an independently owned and operated business, Mazda
cannot dictate pricing.

Cutter Mazda has already ordered all of their allocation for the RX-8
Pre-Sell period, thus they cannot place a build-to-order RX-8 for you.
They have advised me that they have not placed a vehicle order for you.
If possible, please forward me a copy of the e-mail you are
referencing, if you would like it researched further. At this point, I
see there are two options available to you:

-Choose to purchase one of the remaining pre-configured RX-8's from
Cutter Mazda.
-Work with another Mazda dealership that has been given RX-8 allocation
You may also locate your nearest Mazda dealerships online at:
www.mazdausa.com/dealers/default.asp.

I am truly sorry that I cannot do anything at this point besides
provide background information as insight to the program. Please let me
know if I can help in another way.

Oh wells, some good that did. :confused: At least I found out order deadlines.. ooh kinda late in the game though..

dtech114

02-28-2003, 04:43 PM

Go with option number two. Have your order submitted to another dealer and go from there. There should hopefully still be another dealer with available order allocations.

P.S. Notice how they said that they can't dictate pricing. They can certainly "influence" it though, just not publically!... ;)

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 04:52 PM

Yup, unfortunately.. I'm hoping to luck out (as it seems) on Hawaii's 2 remaining dealers.. :(

If they turn out to be $ grubbing #@$%s as well, I will boycott those dealers forever and will spread the word to all those who oppose me! :eek:

brownchiro

02-28-2003, 05:01 PM

"Cutter Mazda has already ordered all of their allocation for the RX-8
Pre-Sell period, thus they cannot place a build-to-order RX-8 for you. "

If I am reading this email correctly, Cutter has ordered all they can for Jan, Feb and March. The RX8 must be selling a lot better than expected. It also looks like it is going to be harder and harder for anyone to pre order soon.

eccles

02-28-2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by dtech114
I meant that I have heard and have seen first hand some dealer service department personnel (including a manager) actually ask if the car being serviced was purchased there, kinda like saying "you didn't buy it here yet you want it serviced here???".Most peculiar. Unless the service department has more work than they can handle, I would expect them to welcome any service work, including warranty work. It's not like they don't make money on warranty service - it's all reimbursed by Mazda.

If a service guy moaned to me about something like that, I'd simply tell him the truth - that his New Car people lost my business because they tried to screw me / gave me attitude / whatever. And with a continued attitude like that, they're likely to lose any and all repeat business from me.

Customer service should always be Job One in the motor trade. Dealers work on pretty slim margins, and word of mouth is the best and cheapest advertizing they can "buy."

As an example, we bought our first Mazda from Mazda South here in Austin several years ago, and we've always felt welcome and "part of the family" there. We've subsequently moved to another part of town, and our new home is within a quarter-mile of another Mazda dealership. It would be much more convenient for us to patronize the folks down the road, but we continue to go back across town to Mazda South whenever we need service or a new Mazda. The RX-8 will be our fifth purchase from them; their attitude and customer service has won them four purchases and many services that would otherwise have gone to the dealership on our doorstep, and countless verbal recommendations from us to our friends.

justinm2

02-28-2003, 05:04 PM

Dealers don't have to have the car pre-sold in order to pre-order one. We've already Pre-ordered 18, but only 6 are already sold. The others we ordered based on information obtained from some of the polls located on this forum.

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 05:06 PM

You would think so.. but nope, they ordered all their allotment, but the cars belong to no customers. They ordered them all just to have them in. Only 2 actual RX-8s out of all their orders belong to real live breathing customers.

Go figure..

RX-Nut

02-28-2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by justinm2
We've already Pre-ordered 18, but only 6 are already sold.

Ah! So you're a dealer or salesman? So what is your take on my trials and tribulations? ;)

eccles

02-28-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by brownchiro
If I am reading this email correctly, Cutter has ordered all they can for Jan, Feb and March. The RX8 must be selling a lot better than expected. It also looks like it is going to be harder and harder for anyone to pre order soon. I believe dealers were given pre-order allocation based on their annual sales figures. I have no idea how many cars Cutter sells in a year, but they may not have been allocated that many RX-8 pre-orders. If I read RX-nut's original post correctly, it seems that they were probably allocated 6-8 cars, only got a couple of actual customer orders, so they ordered the rest of their allocation "on spec" with a variety of colors and options that they reckon they will be able to sell (and possibly also based on which packages make them the most profit.)

My dealer had orders for all but one of his first allocation. Since I was undecided whether I want the blue or the yellow, he used his last remaining allocation to order a yellow twin of my per-ordered blue sport package, so that I can have my choice of colors when they arrive. Did I mention that I love Mazda South? :D

brownchiro

02-28-2003, 05:14 PM

I would assume this is where the dealers will be able to ask "what ever the market will bear" (That is a statement I received from one dealer.) on these non preordered cars.

justinm2

03-01-2003, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by RX-Nut

Ah! So you're a dealer or salesman? So what is your take on my trials and tribulations? ;)

Like the email you received from mazda said, dealerships are run independently from mazda north american operations, and MSRP is Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price. However, Mazda is STRONGLY discouraging Dealer Markup on the car, and they may find themselves with their allotment cut short if Mazda keeps receiving complaints about price gouging. Being in Hawaii kind of puts you at a disadvantage because you only have 3 dealers to choose from, if they are all in agreement, you might hear the same story elsewhere. just for contrast here in Atlanta, we have 6 major mazda dealers within a 20 to 30 drive for most consumers, and a couple of smaller ones that always sqeeze out a couple cars each month. For us to even think about marking up a car is stupid. My suggestion would be to call the dealership closest to cutter mazda (hopefully they compete on a regular basis, and they would love to steal a deal from Cutter), ask for the salesmanager, explain to him that you want to pre-order an Rx8, tell him about the service you received at Cutter, and that you would rather give him your business, as long as he's willing to take care of you. Also make sure you also tell him that in return for this, you will make sure he gets a perfect survey (these are VERY important). If that store is being unreasonable try the last one. I can't imagine all three stores being as f*ck^d up as the story you told about the first one.

RX-Nut

03-01-2003, 11:32 AM

Yup, that's what I'm going to do this weekend. I will visit the next two dealers and try my luck there. I too, hope they're not grubby as Cutter was.

I'll keep you folks posted..

Thanks for all your input!

cagefreak

03-01-2003, 11:46 AM

wow, where to begin. . .

Well first off I'm getting mine@msrp (31,100) . . .

Secondly, it's weird that you (rx-nut) mention that Cutter already sold it's Jan/Feb/Mar presale allotment. Here at Magnussens' Fremont Mazda, Joe Huang (Internet/Fleet Sales) is trying to slow down the process in fear that he might get to many RX8's than he know what to do with. I guess they're not selling as well as everyone expected on this side of the bay.

DTECH-RX

03-01-2003, 02:52 PM

Just a quick FYI to you guys out there.....

After preordering my RX-8, I've gone from username dtech114 to:

DTECH-RX

As you were!.....:D

7to8

03-02-2003, 03:39 PM

Paying MSRP with a $500 refundable deposit. Dealer said I might move up the que if I wanted one of his 6 preorders...

Danomite

03-02-2003, 06:13 PM

What am I paying? Too MUCH! :D

I'm paying MSRP too. In Canada, for a GT with Moonroof + Nav, MSRP is $43595.

Zin

03-04-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by RotaryFan
Zoom44

Ford Recognition Program member is equivalent to being a Ford employee and my employer participates in it, but not every year (Fortunately, this year we're members.)

On my order sheet, they already put my plan number and the salesman said that I was extremely lucky to get this car under that program...at invoice.

Late

Greetings RotaryFan
My company also participates in the Ford Partners Program. However, under both the X ans S plan on thier website, it says that mazda rx-8 and Jaguars are not eligible for the discount. Any new info on the subject will be appreciated.

eccles

03-04-2003, 08:52 PM

RX-Nut

03-05-2003, 02:59 AM

Here's a rehash of my post in another topic....

I got three dealers to work with cuz that's all there is in the Aloha State.

On a plain Touring Model, no nav..
Dealer 1) $33,600
Dealer 2) $39,995
Dealer 3) We can't give you a price, it's too early.

What a rip.

If any of you lucky folks know of a dealer I could call and have it drop shipped to Hawaii, I would love to hear it. I doubt a dealer would want to go thru so much trouble just to sell lil' ol' me a car at MSRP. Seeing as I dont have much time either..

Oh wells, looks like I may not be getting the car after all.

RX8Lover

03-05-2003, 10:58 AM

I talked to the Internet Sales manager, who contacted me the day after I submitted my order from the email that Mazda sent out. He is selling me the 6MT Red RX-8 fully loaded (except for the Nav system) for $31,000, with my $500 deposit. He has heard of other Mazda dealers in the area marking them up, but his mentality has selling cars by volume, which he preferred.

WEAPON X

03-12-2003, 12:12 PM

Do you guys think this is good for an auto w/gt package

"i can sell it to you for $29,525 plus tax please advise asap so we can get your order in

ken dickson
manhattan mazda"

Yeah I know I'm a wuss for gettin an auto.

RX-Nut

03-12-2003, 12:38 PM

Sure is..

If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be under MSRP!

I say go for it!! Man I wish that dealer was here where I live. :(

etang789

03-12-2003, 01:21 PM

is it possible to get the car in another state which have a lower tax, then bring it back to ur own state?

I might seem to be a stupid question but i haven't done this before....hehe please direct me....:confused:

RX-Nut

03-12-2003, 01:38 PM

I dont see why not.. you're lucky if you can drive it back to your home state. For me, I wish I could do that, but as fine as the RX-8 is, it can't drive over the Pacific Ocean. :)

LegsZoomZoom

03-12-2003, 02:19 PM

Hi, RX-Nut - I've been following your travails with sympathy. I'm waiting on mine till later in the year, but gathering all the info I can. I hadn't known about the destination charge thing.

Hey, I noticed in one of your posts, or maybe it was your friend, that you're IT guys and you actually have JOBS! Are there IT jobs to be had in Hawaii? My fiance is getting desperate. Formerly high level, high dollar guy, can't even get a help desk job, and is selling used cars at a Ford dealership. Ouch... But we're probably hurting here in Houston more than in most places.

etang789

03-12-2003, 02:27 PM

I dont see why not.. you're lucky if you can drive it back to your home state. For me, I wish I could do that, but as fine as the RX-8 is, it can't drive over the Pacific Ocean.

But do u get charged afterward? like in NEW HAMPSHIRE there is no sales tax, so i dun have to pay any tax when i get RX8 there...but then if i bring the car back to MASSACHUSETTS and registor the car in MA do i have to pay the tax ?

i dunno what i am talking about...:confused: :confused:

RX-Nut

03-12-2003, 02:30 PM

Thanks for the sympathy.. sometimes Paradise ain't all that.. if you know what I mean. :)

As far as I.T. jobs go here.. it's really tight. The market is small and most companies want mucho experience for little pay.

I would probably say the biggest I.T. draw here, is the NMCI project for the Navy bases here. I was there, but left it for various reasons but my friend is there and all I can say is hey, it's an I.T. job :) If you got the experience and credentials I'm sure you could find something.

wow, I though Houston was booming for I.T... or was it Austin or Dallas? Shoot, I was thinking of moving up to Texas too.. argh.. maybe not :)

Sorry for the off topic post.. :D

offdaheeze

03-12-2003, 02:37 PM

Pre-ordered a Blue Grand Touring/6-speed/Navigation for 31,775 minus the 500 deposit.

RX-Nut

03-12-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by etang789

But do u get charged afterward? like in NEW HAMPSHIRE there is no sales tax, so i dun have to pay any tax when i get RX8 there...but then if i bring the car back to MASSACHUSETTS and registor the car in MA do i have to pay the tax ?

i dunno what i am talking about...:confused: :confused:

I guess that would depend on your state. I would bet that if you have to pay taxes on a car that you buy in your state, then you will still have to pay those taxes when you bring it in from another. But that's my shot in the dark..

Try your local Dept of Transportation.. they could straighten it out.

markh711

03-12-2003, 02:58 PM

But do u get charged afterward? like in NEW HAMPSHIRE there is no sales tax, so i dun have to pay any tax when i get RX8 there...but then if i bring the car back to MASSACHUSETTS and registor the car in MA do i have to pay the tax ?

If you are a MA resident and go out of state to buy a car, you would pay the sales tax when you register it in MA.

If you buy a car in MA and have the dealer register it for you, they will collect the taxes, but if they don't register it, you will pay the tax when you go to register it.

WEAPON X

03-12-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by RX-Nut
Sure is..

If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be under MSRP!

I say go for it!! Man I wish that dealer was here where I live. :(

Yeah but this is a dealer here in Manhattan,NY I might be able to get one a little cheaper up state.

Y&Y

03-12-2003, 05:49 PM

Quick question. what the hell is tag?

RX-Nut

03-12-2003, 05:59 PM

I've assumed it's the licensing fees and BS that a state may require.

DTECH-RX

03-12-2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by RX-Nut
I've assumed it's the licensing fees and BS that a state may require.

You are correct sir! "Tag" is the registration and license plate / license tag) fee that all States require for vehicles.

STi-Nut

03-12-2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by RX-Nut
Thanks for the sympathy.. sometimes Paradise ain't all that.. if you know what I mean. :)

As far as I.T. jobs go here.. it's really tight. The market is small and most companies want mucho experience for little pay.

I would probably say the biggest I.T. draw here, is the NMCI project for the Navy bases here. I was there, but left it for various reasons but my friend is there and all I can say is hey, it's an I.T. job :) If you got the experience and credentials I'm sure you could find something.

wow, I though Houston was booming for I.T... or was it Austin or Dallas? Shoot, I was thinking of moving up to Texas too.. argh.. maybe not :)

Sorry for the off topic post.. :D

It's not an I.T. job.. It's slave I.T. labor. The way I look at it is this.. NMCI is a contract job. Eventually it will be over and I will be looking for another job. It's a good job to have while I am looking for other jobs. Mind you, I get paid not too bad for doing nothing, but I would trade it all in a heartbeat for a less paying job that's more secure and would provide more stabilityand opportunity for the future. Once the upper management actually gets some of their sh*T straight, then mebe it is worthwhile to pursue something in NMCI that may provide a better future. Until then the only thing I can recommend is to hang in there and wait this economy out. Eventually it will get better. I know this doesn't make things better but I try.

LegsZoomZoom

03-13-2003, 09:05 AM

Thanks, RX and STi Nuts! This is my final off-topic post, so bear with me... It sux here in Houston due to the incredible number of energy and tech industry layoffs. There are jobs, but they're highly specialized ("We want someone with 20 years of CITRIX experience and an MBA from Harvard"). There's so much competition for so few jobs that it's absolutely impossible. Sigh... I am extremely fortunate to have my job. I don't get paid very well, but I'm more or less secure.

And now with the gas prices skyrocketing, I'm wondering if My Dream Car is an appropriate purchase right now. Maybe I should get a Honda Civic Hybrid. Shudder... :eek:

TJRX8

03-13-2003, 07:15 PM

Most states require you to pay the tax when you register the car. Most dealers aren't required to take the taxes but it needs to be paid somewhere at some point. In Florida you would have to pay the difference from the state you bought the car.
All states laws are different though. Best would be to check with your DMV for your state laws. If you have an adress in the state you are buying it in you can register it legally. Then wait the required period (to avoid the tax) in your state and register it there. I did this once unintentionally. ;)

If it was easy and legal everyone would be buying thier cars in NH or another tax free state.

Wing

03-14-2003, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Zin
My company also participates in the Ford Partners Program. However, under both the X ans S plan on thier website, it says that mazda rx-8 and Jaguars are not eligible for the discount. Any new info on the subject will be appreciated.

Likewise, I asked about S-plan pricing and was told that the RX-8 would not be eligible until 2004. (Calendar year, not model year.)

Same here, not available on the RX-8, BUT
I am not purchasing till June 2004. I'm hoping by this time it IS available. And if it is there is NO question I will be driving home with an RX-8 on June 1st 2004!

Come on ford/mazda give me X-plan pricing (about 3K less than invoice!)