yup its true... engine failed.. rear rotor low compression .. apex seal issue.. warranty is void now im stuck with a car the barely starts up n easily floods.. it drives n all but pretty shitty.. n yes its turbo'd... dont no what i should do now... :crying:

That sucks! You could get someone to tear down and rebuild and get some Performance Apex Seals!

Yeah anyone who goes FI without budgeting for an engine is asking for this type of situation. Sorry to heart it, now get that bad boy rebuilt.

you didnt test before boosting?

Hit up Atkins Rotary or Charles R. Hill

well the compression was fine before n after boosting it it drove bout 1k miles... n well jerrys little car shop is wat atikins recomended n they r the ones who ran the compression n well he said 5k for the rebuild...n i no thts a rip off from what ive heard n researched... but then again i dont no anyother rotory guy..=/ so yea........i can buy and replace it with a new motor for under 4k... or i can get a ls1 swap.=)... but idk .. i loose the handeling more weight add n yea...but idk

I hope you sent that post above by a cheap cell phone, otherwise you should take some grammar classes before posting.

Look into getting a motor from a junk yard. I did that before when my 2.7L in my Dodge Intrepid seized due to a design flaw.

Pay now or pay later. Was your car properly tuned?

That sucks, but if I was you I would take this as an excellent oppertunity to do your own engine rebuild :D Also, what turbo were you running in it?

well the compression was fine before n after boosting it it drove bout 1k miles... n well jerrys little car shop is wat atikins recomended n they r the ones who ran the compression n well he said 5k for the rebuild...n i no thts a rip off from what ive heard n researched... but then again i dont no anyother rotory guy..=/ so yea........i can buy and replace it with a new motor for under 4k... or i can get a ls1 swap.=)... but idk .. i loose the handeling more weight add n yea...but idk

A fully dressed LS1 is <100lbs heavier than a Renesis, FYI. Rotary engines are pretty massively heavy for their size due to all the iron, while LS engines have an aluminum block and push-rods which keeps them impressively light. If you don't have to move the steering rack (like RX-7's have to), then there should be little to no handling difference. You'll just get more HP and better gas mileage.

Also, +1 on grammar/spelling classes.

Pay now or pay later. Was your car properly tuned?

^+1

rebuilds including upgraded parts are labor are like 3.5k if you pull the motor. not a bad deal. call crh and talk to him about it.

i wouldn't give up yet since you just dropped the coin to boost..

Sorry to hear. Both my failed motors had low compression in the rear rotor so that is not a surprise.

yes guys i use an iphone to reply. i just text like tht so i end up posting stuff like tht frm my phone.. so i guess im sorry for the poor texting grammer...

any who
who is this "charles r. hill" u guys speak of... i am looking into a rebuild but still not sure of it. i no i can get the pasrts frm atikins rotory but i have no one to put it together for me. dont really no any one who works on rotories other then JLC



rotory is like SECKS under the hood, so i might aswell stick with it. =)......

yes guys i use an iphone to reply. i just text like tht so i end up posting stuff like tht frm my phone.. so i guess im sorry for the poor texting grammer...

any who
who is this "charles r. hill" u guys speak of... i am looking into a rebuild but still not sure of it. i no i can get the pasrts frm atikins rotory but i have no one to put it together for me. dont really no any one who works on rotories other then JLC



rotory is like SECKS under the hood, so i might aswell stick with it. =)......


Charles R. Hill = www.blackhaloracing.com

call rob at pineapple racing

huh? that is from an iPhone?

:mchase:

Robb at Pineapple Racing is somewhat local. He is in the Portland, OR. It is my understanding he will rebuild the motor but not install it.

Charles will fly to your house, pull the motor, rebuild it and then install it.

Another some what local option is to have FD3S Engineering do the rebuild for you. They are in Beaverton, OR.

Charles R. Hill = www.blackhaloracing.com (http://www.blackhaloracing.com)

how do i get a hold of bhr/ Charles R. Hill

how do i get a hold of bhr/ Charles R. Hill

http://jimmyaquino.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/23/bat_signal.jpg

Robb at Pineapple Racing is somewhat local. He is in the Portland, OR. It is my understanding he will rebuild the motor but not install it.

Charles will fly to your house, pull the motor, rebuild it and then install it.

Another some what local option is to have FD3S Engineering do the rebuild for you. They are in Beaverton, OR.

well i can get the motor installed in the car thats not an issue. i preferbly would like to get it done locally.. portland isnt very far but i would prefer here in WA

http://jimmyaquino.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/23/bat_signal.jpg

lol epic....

well i can get the motor installed in the car thats not an issue. i preferbly would like to get it done locally.. portland isnt very far but i would prefer here in WA

Portland is not far but somewhat a PITA to get it there and back. But Rob knows his way around a rotary. But so does Marc at FD3S.

well the compression was fine before n after boosting it it drove bout 1k miles... n well jerrys little car shop is wat atikins recomended n they r the ones who ran the compression n well he said 5k for the rebuild...n i no thts a rip off from what ive heard n researched... but then again i dont no anyother rotory guy..=/ so yea........i can buy and replace it with a new motor for under 4k... or i can get a ls1 swap.=)... but idk .. i loose the handeling more weight add n yea...but idk

If you have them do all the work (pick up the car, toll it to the shop, pull the engine, buy the parts, rebuild the engine, put the engine back and test the car)
5k is average price!!!

how do i get a hold of bhr/ Charles R. Hill

Search Charles R. Hill on this Forum. Then PM charles R. Hill.

Do you want us to google that for you too?

how do i get a hold of bhr/ Charles R. Hill

Also you did just quote his website that has a big button on it that says "Contact"

A fully dressed LS1 is <100lbs heavier than a Renesis, FYI. Rotary engines are pretty massively heavy for their size due to all the iron, while LS engines have an aluminum block and push-rods which keeps them impressively light. If you don't have to move the steering rack (like RX-7's have to), then there should be little to no handling difference. You'll just get more HP and better gas mileage.

Also, +1 on grammar/spelling classes.

I know we had this discussion before, but I think who ever told me that information was just anti rotary.

I don't know the accuracy of the data I found online, but what I found shows the 13B-MSP to be 247lbs with all standard attachments. I take standard attachments to mean both manifolds, alternator, and a few other items?

I'm seeing between 400-500 for LS1's or LS3's. This is not to mention that it's got 6 more header tubes 4 times as much exhaust header flange, bigger intake manifold (that's probably not made of plastic), etc. It's going to have higher and farther forward CG. LSX will also need a larger transmission which will add to the difficulty packaging and weight some more. More torque = wider heavier gears. (Another reason why revs for HP beats torque, many of you would be shocked at the width of the gears in a Formula 1 car. There goes my shameless plug for power over torque)

With all that said, I'm all for the LS swap. 20 mpg on regular, 200 more HP, POWER (not torque) all over the rev band. One of the most fun motors I have ever driven. I don't think there was one person that sat in the car with me that wouldn't just have a huge grin on their face after the 2nd gear pull in a Corvette. Oh did I mention it makes cool noises? The 90 degree V8 noise is worth it all on it's own.

Search Charles R. Hill on this Forum. Then PM charles R. Hill.

Do you want us to google that for you too?
thx for the help...


btw. way to be a jerk

thx for the help...


btw. way to be a jerk

Sorry for not liking spoon feeding you. Plenty of people trying to tell you the answer. You just need to read and then do before posting.

Sorry to hear about your engine. Hope you manage to get it zooming again one way or another!

Sorry to hear about your engine. Hope you manage to get it zooming again one way or another!
thx man.. as soon as i get fixed .. i wana go on another mt st helens drive.......

I know we had this discussion before, but I think who ever told me that information was just anti rotary.

I don't know the accuracy of the data I found online, but what I found shows the 13B-MSP to be 247lbs with all standard attachments. I take standard attachments to mean both manifolds, alternator, and a few other items?

I'm seeing between 400-500 for LS1's or LS3's. This is not to mention that it's got 6 more header tubes 4 times as much exhaust header flange, bigger intake manifold (that's probably not made of plastic), etc. It's going to have higher and farther forward CG. LSX will also need a larger transmission which will add to the difficulty packaging and weight some more. More torque = wider heavier gears. (Another reason why revs for HP beats torque, many of you would be shocked at the width of the gears in a Formula 1 car. There goes my shameless plug for power over torque)

With all that said, I'm all for the LS swap. 20 mpg on regular, 200 more HP, POWER (not torque) all over the rev band. One of the most fun motors I have ever driven. I don't think there was one person that sat in the car with me that wouldn't just have a huge grin on their face after the 2nd gear pull in a Corvette. Oh did I mention it makes cool noises? The 90 degree V8 noise is worth it all on it's own.

There's a sticky thread somewhere on this board that had the weights of just about anything you can think of on the car, and if I'm remembering right it had it at mid 300's for the engine fully dressed but yah, I see I've eaten Zack's propaganda and a fully dressed LS1 is more like ~525lbs + 180lbs for the tranny...

But yah, if I bought an FD, I'd drive it until the engine pops (which it inevitably will) then LS swap.

First off sorry about your engine. That really sucks.

It's been a month and maybe you already have the car fixed or replaced. If not, read on.

If you have a place to work, etc. you can rebuild it yourself. If not, then salvage motors seem to run $1500 to $2500 depending on miles, condition and the seller.

But if you want it done RIGHT, not many folks with popped engines are as lucky as you -- close by not only to Atkins Rotary (Puyallup) but to Jerry's Little Car Shop (Kent).

Maybe you know this already but Jerry's been working on rotaries since the early 70's, including Mazda factory racers.

http://jerryslittlecarshop.com/history.htm

Atkins has been working on rotaries for about the same amount of time. Their website says they don't work on cars any more but they do quality rebuilt motors. Look what I found on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA-RX8-RX-8-04-08-REBUILT-6-PORT-ENGINE-W-WARRANTY-/260347668295?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories

You might want Atkins to build a tougher motor since you have a turbo, but then again you can recoup a few bucks at least by using your old engine for a core. If it were me I'd spend the extra $$$ on porting and engine balancing, and whatever can be done to a RENESIS to make it more reliable. :wiggle:

Doing an LS swap will give you potentially WAY more power but you'll throw the car's balance off. It won't feel the same and it won't handle the same. If you're into big power numbers maybe that's a trade-off you're willing to make. But if you go with a converson kit like the one Hinson is developing, you'll be out just as much $$$ as if you got a rebuilt engine and worked through Jerry's.

Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you.

Cheers,

Aaron

First off sorry about your engine. That really sucks.

It's been a month and maybe you already have the car fixed or replaced. If not, read on.

If you have a place to work, etc. you can rebuild it yourself. If not, then salvage motors seem to run $1500 to $2500 depending on miles, condition and the seller.

But if you want it done RIGHT, not many folks with popped engines are as lucky as you -- close by not only to Atkins Rotary (Puyallup) but to Jerry's Little Car Shop (Kent).

Maybe you know this already but Jerry's been working on rotaries since the early 70's, including Mazda factory racers.

http://jerryslittlecarshop.com/history.htm

Atkins has been working on rotaries for about the same amount of time. Their website says they don't work on cars any more but they do quality rebuilt motors. Look what I found on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA-RX8-RX-8-04-08-REBUILT-6-PORT-ENGINE-W-WARRANTY-/260347668295?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories

You might want Atkins to build a tougher motor since you have a turbo, but then again you can recoup a few bucks at least by using your old engine for a core. If it were me I'd spend the extra $$$ on porting and engine balancing, and whatever can be done to a RENESIS to make it more reliable. :wiggle:

Doing an LS swap will give you potentially WAY more power but you'll throw the car's balance off. It won't feel the same and it won't handle the same. If you're into big power numbers maybe that's a trade-off you're willing to make. But if you go with a converson kit like the one Hinson is developing, you'll be out just as much $$$ as if you got a rebuilt engine and worked through Jerry's.

Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you.

Cheers,

Aaron

well im hoping to a pick a motor up by the end of this week. and then see if i can sell my motor.
thats the plan i have for now ... with only 2300 bux to spend i dont have many options... 1800 for a 05 motor with 33k n 500 for the swap..... Atikins rotory has a rebuild kit which is 1150 bux leaving me with 1150 for the work... idk any one who would do the work for that much.