Blitz Supercharged kits! :D

any more info
like price,hp , any when it comes to US

It will release in Japan at 2 quarter of 2004

Peak whp 215.2ps
peak torque 24.6kgm

you can adjust 3 level of boost

so its a super chager

Originally posted by ILOVERX8
It will release in Japan at 2 quarter of 2004

Peak whp 215.2ps
peak torque 24.6kgm

you can adjust 3 level of boost

2nd quarter means spring, rite?
It says it will release on spring of 2004.

Originally posted by donald121
2nd quarter means spring, rite?
It says it will release on spring of 2004.

Yes, spring time. I would guess it will cost at least $3.5k

Any website URL info? I searched, couldn't read much on JP site, found no mention of RX-8 or supercharger. No info on US site either. Where did you get pic and info?

Also ILOVERX8, can you repost focused ??? slip, either that or am going (more) blind!

Love to get on info mailing list. Thanks.

Originally posted by Spin9k
Any website URL info? I searched, couldn't read much on JP site, found no mention of RX-8 or supercharger. No info on US site either. Where did you get pic and info?

Also ILOVERX8, can you repost focused ??? slip, either that or am going (more) blind!

Love to get on info mailing list. Thanks.

I got the ads from a japanese magazine called Option. It's just an ads. There is no article or any additional info in the magazine. I guess we all have to wait until spring. :)

Why so little power? We can make that for a lot less money and without forced induction. I hope it makes more than that.

I do not know the exact conversion for torque, but I know that is around 200lbs-ft. Can someone convert this properly?

I would be interested to know the specs. This seems to be tuned on the seriously safe side.

That converts to:

212.3 Hp
177.9 ft-lb

Its definitely better than stock but not quite what I expected for forced induction. :(

Yea 212hp is a very safe tune i would imagine.Ive seen 210ish jap dynos N/A.

This is the same info I posted 3-4 months ago? Either way I can added to it.

Spring--Is true..

Price---closer to $4k

HP---Not much, still finishing it up COMPLETLY to see what it can do.

To much dough for not enough go!

developed on a JDM rx-8 i assume? so how do they adjust for our "cat-longevity" tune?

think i could get a high res scan of that pic..it'd make a sweet wallpaper

I believe the major reason we are never going to see big gains from FI is due to the 10:1 compression ratio which traditionally is too high to be safe for FI. Most of what I have read etc.. suggests a ratio of 8-8.5:1 is much more boost friendly. sorry to disappoint.

Greddy Turbo charger

dyno graph

:)

:p ILOVERX8, great job!!!

so anyone have any idea if mazdaspeed is going to put a turbo in their cars soon

The turbo article says max power output of about 265ps over the normal 210ps. 50ps gain in the 6000rpm and 7000rpm range.

This ain't for us guys.... maybe the auto guys if the torque converter can take it. Check out the redline on the graph (where the power falls off)... this is the 210hp base engine in the auto and 5spd in Japan.

Couldn't get anything off the Options scan. I'll see if I can drop by the store tonight and pickup a couple car mags.

Originally posted by 4fcn121
so anyone have any idea if mazdaspeed is going to put a turbo in their cars soon

mazdaspeed is working on a supercharger that will produce a 40% increase in HP over the stock numbers.

Originally posted by JSE RX-8
mazdaspeed is working on a supercharger that will produce a 40% increase in HP over the stock numbers.

But will it be available as an aftermarket bolt-on with factory warranty intact or will it be part of the MS RX-8 only? What's the cost going to be like? When is it going to come out?

This is the information we need now...

Press the "flower" button on you camera.

The best thing about the Blitz kit is that it appears that the low torque increase is phenomenal.

If those curves are accurate there is a 42% increase in power at 4000 RPM going from 70 KW to 100 KW (about 95hp to 134hp) That's a lot more passing power without having to drop to a lower gear.

From other articles I have read that it is clutch driven, that worries me a little because it means one more thing to break down.

Hopefully Canzoomer can work support for an FI system into one of his future stages. Maybe a 50%+ increase over all RPMs. <drool...>

Anyway, thanks for the pics.

-Mr. Wigggles

Originally posted by Japan8
But will it be available as an aftermarket bolt-on with factory warranty intact or will it be part of the MS RX-8 only? What's the cost going to be like? When is it going to come out?

This is the information we need now...

rumor had it that it was going to come out around may. price was between $4-5K at the moment and will cover the same warrenty that you have with the engine now. so whatever warrenty you have now, the supercharger follows. the only thing i couldnt find out about was whether or not installation was included in the $4-5K and what installation would cost separately if it wasnt included

I may have VERY bad news for everyone. I went magazine shopping last night in prep for a trip back home and a meeting with the loacal rotorheads. So I picked up RE Rotary magazine, RX-7 Magaine and Options 2. in one of them I saw an article/section on the various turbos and superchargers under development or getting ready for release. Almost all talk about a 40-50ps increase, however, only post number of 260-270ps. This is making me think these "blowers" are for the 4 port engine only... :(

On an up note... there are several ECU mods out... some at around 50,000 JPY. The JP ones offer rev limit cut and speed limit cut. Not to take sales from Canzoomer... rather to offer other choices and also more options for CZ to add to his unit...

MOre to come when I've had a chance to read the whole mag (as I'm heading on vacation soon, probably won't post into until the 20th).

Lightly skimming the articles... as far as the Blitz S/C goes... "Blitz' power target is at least 260ps. In writing this you might think "this is only a 10ps increase over normal," but Blitz tests resulted in an output of around 180ps from the RX-8. So 180ps is the starting point. Adding the compressor kit can be then expected to be normal output + 80ps." It seems that BLitz is expecting it to fall in the neighborhood of 450,000 JPY.

Knight Sports has a turbo kit coming up for about 400,000 JPY give or take. Power output... with 0.3 kg/cm3 of boost, 35-40ps. I'll go on sale in another 2-3 months.

Originally posted by Spinny 3ngls
I believe the major reason we are never going to see big gains from FI is due to the 10:1 compression ratio which traditionally is too high to be safe for FI. Most of what I have read etc.. suggests a ratio of 8-8.5:1 is much more boost friendly. sorry to disappoint.

I both agree and disagree at the same time. There are some very good benefits to using a high compression ratio. The first is that the turbo will spool much faster and that you'll maintain a higher level of power and gas mileage when not under boost.

From the standpoint that a lower compression ratio can take a higher level of boost I absolutely agree. There are actually 2 different compression ratios in an engine. The first if the actual compression ratio. This is the number that everyone knows and it is 10.0:1 in the Renesis. The second is the effective compression ratio. This is based on a combination of how much air gets in the engine as well as the actual compression ratio. Obviously if you add boost to the engine you have more air in it. More air gets squished and the effective compression ratio is greater than the actual compression ratio. On a naturally aspirated car you are generally lower than the actual until you hit or exceed 100% efficiency. A turbo easily does this.

There are a couple ways of looking at this. Higher compression ratio (actual) with low boost can actually be the same as a lower compression ratio (actual) with higher boost. There will inevitably come a point at a certain level of power where the lower compression ratio and higher boost will make more power because it can run more advanced timing but this is somewhere over the 400 rwhp mark. At least it was on the older rotaries but you get the point.

There is also another point to consider. The total port timing will also play a role in the effective compression ratio. The longer the ports are open, the more time a turbo or supercharger has to force more air into the engine. So based on this we can see that the 4 port Renesis can actually handle more boost than the 6 port Renesis solely based off the fact that less air can enter the engine for every revolution. It is the total amount of air entering the engine in cfm that determines the effective compression ratio. How much pressure it is under to get to this point is irrelevant. The big issue with more boost though is that it heats up the air more. There is always a tradeoff. For a street car I would favor high compression and lower boost.

Originally posted by Japan8
This is making me think these "blowers" are for the 4 port engine only... :(

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Thats good news to me:D

About it only being for the 4 port because they mention the 210 PS number: that 210 PS is probably the wheel horse power. I'm looking at the dyno of the greddy and the power falls off at 9000 rpm like the 6 port

read the italics... I noticed this as well.

Taking some time to read the articles now... there are several kits under development...

Blitz supercharger
"Blitz' power target is at least 260ps. In writing this you might think "this is only a 10ps increase over normal," but Blitz tests resulted in an output of around 180ps from the RX-8. So 180ps is the starting point. Adding the compressor kit can be then expected to be normal output + 80ps." It seems that BLitz is expecting it to fall in the neighborhood of 450,000 JPY.

Knight Sports Supercharger
Supercharger kit (not turbo as I said earlier)coming up for about 400,000 JPY give or take. Power output... with 0.3 kg/cm3 of boost, 35-40ps. I'll go on sale in another 2-3 months.

Greddy Turbine Kit Trust
Using a Trust T618Z turbo running at 0.5K boost the engine puts out 268ps at 7100rpm, max torque of 30.8kg*m at 5300rpm. Runs on an emanage.

R Magic NX System
putting out about 262ps and 28kg*m of torque.

Phoenix Power
Using a Trust turbo at 0.8kg boost. Good for between 340 and 380ps. Presently they don't have a prope computer for making settings or polling data.

RE Amemiya
Essentially using the Greddy kit for the turbo on an AT show car.

- Still more to come....

Originally posted by Japan8
Taking some time to read the articles now... there are several kits under development...

Blitz supercharger
"Blitz' power target is at least 260ps. In writing this you might think "this is only a 10ps increase over normal," but Blitz tests resulted in an output of around 180ps from the RX-8. So 180ps is the starting point. Adding the compressor kit can be then expected to be normal output + 80ps." It seems that BLitz is expecting it to fall in the neighborhood of 450,000 JPY.

Knight Sports Supercharger
Supercharger kit (not turbo as I said earlier)coming up for about 400,000 JPY give or take. Power output... with 0.3 kg/cm3 of boost, 35-40ps. I'll go on sale in another 2-3 months.

Greddy Turbine Kit Trust
Using a Trust T618Z turbo running at 0.5K boost the engine puts out 268ps at 7100rpm, max torque of 30.8kg*m at 5300rpm. Runs on an emanage.

R Magic NX System
putting out about 262ps and 28kg*m of torque.

Phoenix Power
Using a Trust turbo at 0.8kg boost. Good for between 340 and 380ps. Presently they don't have a prope computer for making settings or polling data.

RE Amemiya
Essentially using the Greddy kit for the turbo on an AT show car.

- Still more to come....


Wow. Do you know any more about the Phoenix Power kit? Im assuming the others are at the wheels and that one is bhp, but its still quite a bit more power than the others.

BTW... it seems that the Japanese are complaining about the car not feeling like it's living up to the claimed 250ps and that gas mileage isn't what they expected either.

Is that 340-380 supposed to be 240-280?

I am curious to see these bolted on to rx's. I am going to pick up some options to see if i can get more info for you guys.

Opps... typo.

this sucks....

i wish i bought a gt :D :D :D :D :D