Ok so i know someone who has an RSX type S Manual...and he's talkin smack about the RX8 saying its slow and he could beat it....what do you guys think? will the 200hp type S beat the RX8 6 speed?

Depends on the driver

Do some research, we had talked about this couple times in this forum.

Stock to stock, RX-8 is faster than RSX-S, but not a lot, also there are so many aftermarket parts to make RSX-S faster than RX-8. My friend used to have a RSX-S, I test drove it. I think the acceleration feel is very similar to RX-8. Now he got a new EVO, can't wait to test drive it! :D

I've raced against an RSX-S in my S2K... the RSX-S isn't a slouch. For that matter, an Acura TL-TypeS (or the new '04 TL's) are also sleepers. It would be a close race (given equal drivers and decent launches).

I am so sick of hearing "depends on the driver" it's ridiculous. That is absolutely the worst answer ever. He's asking what's the faster car given an equal driver... because we all know if you threw a 3-year old girl behind the wheel of a Viper and a good driver behind a Geo Metro, the Metro would win. So please, next time someone asks for a car comparison give them a straight answer instead of... "depends on the damb driver..." Dammit.

Mmmmk... I'm done.

Originally posted by PetersonPeleRx8
I am so sick of hearing "depends on the driver" it's ridiculous. That is absolutely the worst answer ever. He's asking what's the faster car given an equal driver... because we all know if you threw a 3-year old girl behind the wheel of a Viper and a good driver behind a Geo Metro, the Metro would win. So please, next time someone asks for a car comparison give them a straight answer instead of... "depends on the damb driver..." Dammit.

Mmmmk... I'm done.
You make a good point, but by the same token you could say a thread like this ridiculous because comparing magazine numbers is sometimes worthless because different factors can always contribute to a different outcome. The driver is one of those factors, so it is a valid point to be brought up. (But I understand why you are upset by the constant use of this).

Typically that quote is used when the performance of two cars are fairly close, and the descrepancy of the outcome will indeed lie on the drivers. The rx8 might win some. the rsx might win some. Its a driver's race, assuming both drivers are fairly competent (and not like a 3 yr old).
A Viper vs Metro would not be a driver's race.

Originally posted by PetersonPeleRx8
I am so sick of hearing "depends on the driver" it's ridiculous. That is absolutely the worst answer ever. He's asking what's the faster car given an equal driver... because we all know if you threw a 3-year old girl behind the wheel of a Viper and a good driver behind a Geo Metro, the Metro would win. So please, next time someone asks for a car comparison give them a straight answer instead of... "depends on the damb driver..." Dammit.

Mmmmk... I'm done.

Can someone exlapin this to me? 200hp vs 238hp? FWD vd RWD?

how can it be close?

Hey guys,

Thanks for not jumping all over me too bad for that post... I was pissed earlier when I wrote it (bad day) and I just reread and it was a little over the top... but oh well... I got my point across. And fxdsconv2000, I apologize didn't mean to offend you.

Now... I know what the phrase means, but these 2 cars aren't really close enough in performance to warrant the use of that phrase. I believe the 8 would win everytime with a driver of the same capacity. I guess that answer just bugs me because it doesn't resolve anything... whoever asks the question is still left wondering!

And Captain_Ron I agree, I don't really see how the RSX can compete... the only discrepancy I can find is that the RSX might be a whole lot lighter?? It sure doesn't look lighter though.

Allright then Have a Good One!!!

Brit

No worries, we all have bad days.

Like I said before, you do have a good point, but so does the other side. That is the beauty of this forum, you get to see all different points of view.:)

Originally posted by PetersonPeleRx8
I am so sick of hearing "depends on the driver" it's ridiculous. That is absolutely the worst answer ever. He's asking what's the faster car given an equal driver... because we all know if you threw a 3-year old girl behind the wheel of a Viper and a good driver behind a Geo Metro, the Metro would win. So please, next time someone asks for a car comparison give them a straight answer instead of... "depends on the damb driver..." Dammit.

Mmmmk... I'm done.

Ah, but that's the most accurate answer my friend! Both cars are so damn similar...one is heavier, the other has 'less' horses; one is FWD, the other is RWD but can't launch it without wheel-hop...etc...

So, it really depends who is driving it.

Ive owned both Modded with IEH the RSX shold kick your arse. Stock You will kick his arse easy as that.

Originally posted by Captain_Ron
Can someone exlapin this to me? 200hp vs 238hp? FWD vd RWD?

how can it be close?

1. Sure, the RSX is 200lbs lighter or so. (RSX 13.8lb/hp vs RX8 12.7lb/hp = awfully close)
2 The RSX is FWD, but the RX8 has lotsa wheel-hop if launched hard.

What else do you need?

Well as said before the type S is no slouch. That is what I traded in to get my 8. It is very quick off the line but you have to get it over 6000 inorder to get the 200hp and torque out of it. I just thought the car was not very substantial for my tastes. I mean I am coming in form driving VW's and Audi's for the last ten years or so and the car felt hollow. The 8 feels as solid as my Teutonic sedans did. The Acura was a very well built car and I had zero defects untill the day I drove off in my 8.

STOCK VS. STOCK = RX-8
MODDED RSX VS. STOCK RX-8 = pretty damn close.. RSX-S would win.

I drove a rsx auto... and rx-8 auto... rx-8 feels a a tad bit faster... and alot better as in handling and overall..but rsx is FWD but its one hell of fwd.. it grips like glue.

RSX-S 0-60 6.1-6.7 (depending on driver.. since its manual)
RX-8 6MT 0-60 5.9-6.2 (depending on driver.. since its manual)...

We just call the Acura models Honda in Europe.......But I think the 8 is faster all around.

Yep Rx-8 is faster all around , my brother drives a RSX Type S, He let me drive it stock , it was allitle slower , alot more low end torque though. But the RSX Type S only has 1 advantage . . .. the greddy turbo kit for it , is only ~$2,600 shipped . . . With that , I think it'd smoke the rx-8 no problem. But Rx-8 would definitely kill it in the corners almost always.

RSX-S is a great car if you want some speed and style... the only trade off was too many ricer have the base model which they think it is a super sport car:mad:

Hey Guys!

I just traded my DC5 Type R (RSX-S) in for the 8.
Take it from me, the 8 is quicker, both straight line and point to point.
The R certainly feels quicker due to VTEC kick and FWD feedback through the steering, but the 8 is deceptively quick.
I can't wait to mod my 8 and make it even quicker.

man u.s dont even have the type r yet,How many hp is the type r

Australia doesn't get the Type R either.
Well actually, the bodykit and the interior (inc. Recaros) is the same as JDM.
But the key differences are 16"alloys instead of 17", normal brakes instead of Brembos and the engine spec is 147kw (same as US RSX-S) instead of 162kw.
So it's not really a Tyoe R, only really a RSX-S dressed up as a R.

I ordered the car when I saw the Jap-spec model and it became too late when I wanted to cancel the order once I found out the true specs we were getting in Australia.

Let's just say that I was not too happy with my purchase when I picked it up.
Great to drive, but not the same as the real Type R (15kw less and lack of Brembos will also leave you dissatisfied).

Waited until Mazda Australia released the RX8 and decided it was the best upgrade, so here I am, with no regrets. :)

Originally posted by Captain_Ron
Can someone exlapin this to me? 200hp vs 238hp? FWD vd RWD?

how can it be close?

Have you ever tried to launch the RX-8? I get more wheel hop in 2nd gear in the rx8 than I do in 1st in my Rx-7.

This thing was not meant to race from a stop.

*zerobanger*...for now it's not..but as soon as someone either makes urethane bushings or pins the drive axles a little better then we'll start shredding some meat...but hell yes does it have wheel hop...

if you haven't done this yet...launch like a "younger" driver, with one hand stuck to your gear shift and FEEL how much play there is in the tunnel....it's almost like the tranny is held on by exhaust hangers....

Hey wsup to all the peeps in this rx-8 forum! I'm new here and just wanted to see what's news in the rx-8 world.

This topic is very interesting to me since I actually own a rsx-s (and luv it) and also have much respect for the rx-8 as well. I'm really glad to see that people have quite a bit of respect for the rsx on here. It's a fun, capable car that responds very well to mods.

In terms of straight line speed, stock v. stock, the rx-8 definitely has the upper hand. However, as I understand it, to get a low 14 sec. 1/4 mile pass, you need to rev past 7k rpm's and sumhow manage to minimize wheel hop to get a good run. Stock RSX's are easier to launch, and usually manage very low 15's, with the occassional high 14 sec. 1/4 mile. From a roll, the outcome would be very interesting. RSX's have very nice high end power that could give an rx-8 a pretty good run.

With a couple mods such as intake, tires, and ecu upgrade, rsx's easily become low 14 sec. cars. With this set-up, I personally ran a 14.33, and think better times were possible.

Anyways, great site! I can't wait to see how the mazdaspeed version comes out......

hello everybody i have a 6 but i was in my friends rsx-s when he raced an 8. the race was very closethe rsx won by 1/2 a car length. the rsx has I/E if it were stock the 8 will win def and also my friend is a VERY good driver in his rsx-s. i here by confirm the if a stock rx-8 vs stock rsx-s and both had equal drivers, and launches the rx-8 will win 100%.

who cares...the 8 looks better..

Originally posted by XDEEDUBBX
who cares...the 8 looks better..

2nd to that :) , it is not just how fast the car ran in a straight line

depends on the driver heavily....but i doubt a Type-S can beat a RX-8.....maybe next time i see one at a stop light....

I dunno, Both my friends Rx8's (Manuals) hit 170RWHP (thats not 230hp) and only managed a 1/4mile of 15.1 @ 91 (Same time as my 944 on the same day)

I had an encounter with an RSX yesterday. I was cruising down 66 at 90 mph when I passed by him and took the next exit. I noticed when I passed him that it was an ordinary RSX (no S or R on it's badge). He didn't gun it and try to keep up or anything.

Anyway, I notice him pulling up behind me at the traffic light on the ramp but didn't think anything of it. So I took off at my usual brisk pace, not WOT or anything and revved to about 6.5k and I see him glued there on my back bumper! I look again when he gets in the left turn lane at the next stoplight - no type S or R. I'm sure he's going off to his message board with a kill story now . . . "I hung right on his bumper and could've taken him if I had another lane!" I'm thinking WTF? Go away, I wasn't trying to race you!

Let 'em race on a track and the 8 will BLOW it away.

I owned an Acura RSX Type-S for 16 months. Take off was terrible. torque steer annoyed me at start up and when turning. last august while driving from WA to MT i saw my first 8 at a mazda dealer. this was in Idaho. I was having a blast driving on the mountain roads whe i saw the 8 and dicided to take a closer look. As we all know it was fabulous in person. while checking it out the dealer came out and offered a test drive. No shit he let me drive it like i stole it. through the mountains I could not even get it to its limits. mostly because what i was doing in this 8 would have given me a big "game over" in my type S.

the rest of the trip home the acura felt so...frail...insecure..

anyway i am not "hating" on the acura, after all i bought it it the first place. the 8...my 8 (to me) just out classes, drive, and flat out performs better then my type-S. Real world driving..not no damn dreaming i was some fast and furious 0 to 60 king of the road (never my scene anyway)

My biggest greavance with my Type-S would have to be that it was FWD. i just don't like that style.

and don't even get me started about why i love my 8 that list is incredible ..i will post that list soon , however it does not belong here.

im not sure if RSX type S is the same as Type R, but i know the Type R can be really fast on downhill racing and even on tracks. it really depends on how u are going to tune it. and yeah, FWD has its incarnate problem that can be hardly solved. i no what, the G35 drivers are keep laughing at those TL drivers for torque steering, that the TL drivers can not deny.

anyway, Ferrari's 550 is a FWD. :D

Originally posted by AltecLansing

anyway, Ferrari's 550 is a FWD. :D

no it isn't !!!

Its Ferrari's only FRONT ENGINE car. It is still RWD.

<:rolleyes:>

a front wheel drive ferrari ---
bwahahahahahaha *crying* aaahhahahahahaha

ok im done -------no im not
bwahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaahhaha

ok ok im really done---- nope
hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

;)

here's what I meant to post on that last reply.

bwhahahah
ok ok stop it Smoker
i cant take it bwhahahah ahahha
Now I got go the bathroom :D

ERRRRRRRRRRRRRR,right:o :o :o :o :o
its front engine not FWD:D

geez!

Doug McGill...

Ur an idiot....Go to the track and lets see what you run stock....it seems many 8 drivers are having a hard time even getting mid 14's stock, more often they're closer to 15.0....as of now, times with mods are pathetic.

RSX's run around 15.1 stock (so it wouldn't get "blown" away by an 8) . Like I said earlier, with a few mods to both cars, the RSX will take out an 8 cleanly.

Again, the 8 may barely edge out an rsx from a dead stop, but from a roll you'd be like a fish out of water. With intake, ecu, and tires I ran 14.3 and 14.4's, and thats with crappy fwd launching. If we took off from 20, 40, 70mph I'd leave you squinting to see whether my car was a Type S or not.

Originally posted by kcruboy
Doug McGill...

Ur an idiot....Go to the track and lets see what you run stock....it seems many 8 drivers are having a hard time even getting mid 14's stock, more often they're closer to 15.0....as of now, times with mods are pathetic.

RSX's run around 15.1 stock (so it wouldn't get "blown" away by an 8) . Like I said earlier, with a few mods to both cars, the RSX will take out an 8 cleanly.

Again, the 8 may barely edge out an rsx from a dead stop, but from a roll you'd be like a fish out of water. With intake, ecu, and tires I ran 14.3 and 14.4's, and thats with crappy fwd launching. If we took off from 20, 40, 70mph I'd leave you squinting to see whether my car was a Type S or not.

Although his position might have been a little pretentious...I think he was refering to a race-track like in an AutoX course (I am not sure)...in other words, no car would be shifting beyond 2nd gear (the 8 at least)

Originally posted by kcruboy
Doug McGill...

Ur an idiot....Go to the track and lets see what you run stock....it seems many 8 drivers are having a hard time even getting mid 14's stock, more often they're closer to 15.0....as of now, times with mods are pathetic.

RSX's run around 15.1 stock (so it wouldn't get "blown" away by an 8) . Like I said earlier, with a few mods to both cars, the RSX will take out an 8 cleanly.

Again, the 8 may barely edge out an rsx from a dead stop, but from a roll you'd be like a fish out of water. With intake, ecu, and tires I ran 14.3 and 14.4's, and thats with crappy fwd launching. If we took off from 20, 40, 70mph I'd leave you squinting to see whether my car was a Type S or not.

Good talk - see you out there. :o

Now granted -- I don't have a stock 8 :D but with 4 people in my car last weekend I rather easily beat an RSX-S. After being even at the start the 8 easily pulled away through to the 3 to 4 gear shift. I launched at 2.5k with DSC in the one-click off position. Mr. RSX wouldn't pull next to me at the next light -- don't think he was up for a rematch.

Originally posted by Smoker
here's what I meant to post on that last reply.

Bastard, you stole my giant eyeroll! :p

RXhusker sounds like the guy you raced couldn't drive to save his life.
Especially if you launched at 2.5K and were ahead of him.

Im going to be honest, and I'll probably get flamed.

I was never that impressed with the RX8s acceleration in the first place. Yea its not slow, but most ppl can only manage low 15s in the 1/4 mile which is what an RSX pulls.

Throw Hondata and an intake on an RSX, then throw Canzoomers on an RX8 and they will still be about equal.


And with these cars (especially the RX8) I dont think you can take the stated HP and figure out the hp/lb. I would take the WHP as that is alot more accurate (especially for the 8).

So RSX-S curb weight 2767/ 165WHP (normally 165-170, i'll take the low end)= 16.76 lb/hp

The RX8s curb weight 3,029/ 180whp (normally 170-185 and im taking more towards the high end)= 16.82lb/HP

Wow thats damn close...closer than I thought. So you see why people are saying it all depends on the driver.

Just for shits n giggles....

Here is a dyno of an RSX-S with intake/hondata #4 and hondata IMG (total is around $800 USD)
http://gallery.thevboard.com/users/Lawerence/rsxhondatadyno.JPG

(This dyno is a little high, normally with those mods they dyno around 190-195whp)

And here is a dyno of canzoomer stage1 (cost $600 USD).
http://gallery.thevboard.com/users/Lawerence/canzoomerstg1.JPG

So you take the same wieghts from before
RSX 2767/190WHP (just because that dyno is high)= 14.56lb/HP
RX8 3029/200whp (im a nice guy what can I say?)= 15.14lb/HP

So the RSX-S has a slight advantage there too.
From a rolling race both stock, I say they are equal.
With the mods listed above i give the very very slight nod to the RSX-S..

Now before you guys go banning me let me say I honestly dont think that anyone bought thier RX8 to drag race (same goes for the TypeS), and the 8 is better in many other ways.

ok, this is one I have to comment on. I went out with Maurice & Cam on Monday night to test the new map for my car. We did some runs with my mod turned off, to compare against it stock. We found a stretch of road to do some good runs side by side. From a start, through first and second he pulled away easily, then as soon as we both went into 3rd gear, he pulled hard and was about 4-5car lengths before I gave up.

The power on the new map is soooo smooth, we turned it off so we could actually do a side by side comparison to see the difference.

Yesterday coming home from some running around, a young guy in a modded out Talon Turbo wanted to race from a light. The next light we came up to, the road was clear as we were in the west end of town. We took off, and I slightly pulled away in first and second, and in third gear I noticed he was a car length or so behind me before I back off to slow down.

He wanted to see the car, so next light he rolled down his window to chat. I asked him what mods he had done, and he mentioned Intake and exhaust, and something else?? but I couldn't hear him.

So with the mod, the 8 is nice and quick, and I beg to differ about the RSX being able to keep up in the 1/4.

Oh and yes I had the mod turned on here.

Originally posted by Broker73
So with the mod, the 8 is nice and quick, and I beg to differ about the RSX being able to keep up in the 1/4.


You beg to differ, but I just showed you some cold hard #s.
So show me some?

I can also show you plenty of 15 seccond timeslips for the RX8 (I havent seen ONE SINGLE 14 seccond slip of a stock RX8) and Gtech is NOT a timeslip thank you.

On ther otherhand, I could show you plenty of 15 and high 14 seccond slips for a stock RSX-S. in fact I can show you slips where people have run 14.3 with just an intake.

So beg to differ all you want, but untill you get some #s to prove me wrong...

would love to see a 14sec slip for a stock RSX. The lowest time I have seen in an Mag is 15.4 ( Car and Driver)


Judge Ito on here has got in the 14secs stock.

Broker 73....

Check out ww.clubrsx.com . There are quite a few people who have run high 14's STOCK. A few have run 14.7's stock. Of course this isn't everybody, but it does happen every once in a while (jsut liek judge ITO). As Lawrence pointed out, with intake and ecu, most are able to run mid - low 14's (I ran 14.3 with these mods). And I"m considered just a lightly modded rsx.

Not many 8's can brag of running times faster than mine, even with a couple mods. The 8 owners congratulate each other for running mid 14's. There's turbo rsx's running 11's now and n/a ones running low 13's / high 12's. These are cold, hard facts.

And yes I do have respect for the 8! I like the car, but its just not that fast.

i had rsx type-s be4 i bought my G35 coupe 6spd!
my best time for my rsx type-s was 15.4 sec (1/4 miles but it was at LACR, it is above sea lvl by 1300 fit)
so if you caculate at sea lvl it came out to be 14.9 sec yeah 14.9 sec that was my first run ever (i only drove manual for 2 years now)
i saw couple of rx-8 up there and they were happy with 15.5
average ran 15.7 sec

after i put my i/h/e and tires (not a racing header)
it ran 15.0 sec 1/4 at LACR

if you only count straight racing rx-8 is much slower than rsx type-s

also i raced couple of rx-8 on the street with my rsx type-s 1st gear from the stop rx-8 always jump ahead by like fender and i start pulling on him end of 2nd and 3rd i am ahead of rx-8 by 1/2 car length and keep pulling.

rsx type-s is quike little car ! i love them !

kcruboy ! nice car you have there! budy



:p



i don't think rx-8 even have 238 hp
i think it is around 220~230 hp

rx8 slower than RSX type s??? Yah ok.............every mag time has the 8 faster. Its funny how guys say they run faster times in the RSX than every mag time out there, but as soon as someone says they run a good time in the 8, its all BS. And sorry, but this whole idea of "these guys run 15's", or " some guys are happy with 15.5 times", I don't buy it. put to equal drivers in both cars, and the 8 would walk away.

lets not go magazine driving. the rsx is a fast little car and can hit 13's with relatively cheap mods. the rx8 is a very hard car to mod efficiently, and quite frankly, a little slow off the line. they are two completely different machines. on a quarter mile, i'd have to give it to the rsx to win, maybe not blow away the 8, but at least walk it to the finish. the 8 might have the advantage in the launch, but thats about it. stock for stock? the 8 should win it. again, not blow it away, but maybe a car length or so. the 8, like the s2k is a hard launch, you'd really have to know what you're doing.
what doug mcgill was refering to when he mentioned willow was track racing. not the quarter mile. ever seen a rsx try to run track? (not autox) they'd have a hard time catching up to the 8. but then again, this isn't quarter mile, its a 2.8mile long track run with twists and turns and straights, and the 8 will have the advantage because on track rwd always have the advantage over fwd.
the rsx and rx8 are both great cars, geared toward different types of drivers respectively. for what its worth, the modded rsx can out sprint the rx8, but i rest comfortably in knowing that if we hit a turn or two while racing, the rsx will have to nose dive to turn semi-effectively, while i can just swing around the corner with ease and comfort.

Originally posted by Broker73
rx8 slower than RSX type s??? Yah ok.............every mag time has the 8 faster. Its funny how guys say they run faster times in the RSX than every mag time out there, but as soon as someone says they run a good time in the 8, its all BS. And sorry, but this whole idea of "these guys run 15's", or " some guys are happy with 15.5 times", I don't buy it. put to equal drivers in both cars, and the 8 would walk away.
Yea buddy nice mag racing.

Notice how I took real world times, not magazine ones?

Anyway I just saw the first 14 seccond RX8 timeslip in the racing forum.

And I never said judge itos times were BS, I just wanted to see a timeslip not some gtech crap.

I do agree stock for stock with equal drivers the 8 will probably win by a tenth or two...hardly 'walking away' as you say. It also gets its advantage off the line (rwd vs. fwd).

Im done with you now. You have the website (clubrsx.com) if you really want to check it out and not be ignorant. But i have a feeling you wont. Continue to mag race my friend...

JDM Lover -

Thanks for the support. I really like both cars, but just want to see the RSX get its own proper respect.

Broker 73 -

I understand alot of magazines are running mid 14's with rx8's. But ALL of them admit its extremely difficult to do. The fact is very few drivers can do this with a stock rx8, and the crappy times listed on this site times prove this. Why dont you go try to run a 14.5 stock? Even you have to admit its very difficult and you most likely cant do it.

RX8 Bliss -

Good summary / comments. Both cars are quite close in straight line, but the rx-8 definitely has the upper hand in cornering and braking. Like I said, I respect both cars.

Oh and also,

Any manual Rx8's in Houston wanna meet up and run just for kicks? Lemme know, we can meet up and do a lil comparo. I'd be very interested in seeing how it'd turn out.

about handling rx-8 is better than rsx TYPE-S but it is more likely even with TYPE-R (JDM rsx type-r)
i watched best motoring video and they were saying rx-8 and rsx type-R (integra type-r) is good match up!

i respect both of cars but i just wanna prove rsx type-s is not far behind in performance rather realy close to rx-8.

in other hand my G35 coupe is better
:)
A JOKE!!!!!!!!

i have the RSX-S before. Great Car. I still take RSX-S over RX8. ( just for my personal taste )

Nice pic. I liked a white RSX with the smoked out headlights look.

i hate the mod arguement...its rediculous...the 8 hasn't even been out a year yet, how much do you expect to be out for the car....give it a year and you'll see how easy it is to mod this car

I had posted befor that I had traded in my 2003 type S in on an RX-8. Here are some pics!

http://images4.fotki.com/v45/photos/1/140558/518873/rsxc-vi.jpg

http://images4.fotki.com/v48/photos/1/140558/518873/rsxh-vi.jpg

Can someone tell me why o why do people throw in the "mod constraint" when comparing??? what is it like a last cry for hope?

"yeah its faster BUT if they modded it, its a different story" ...... isnt it always gonna be a different story if its modded??? what if the other guy mods it too, what then? Money can buy alot. I could dump 000's, mod a K-car and beat ur ass with it, no it wouldnt be the best way to spend cash but a win is a win right? big deal.

I think we should just stick to stock for stock

Can someone tell me why o why do people throw in the "mod constraint" when comparing??? what is it like a last cry for hope?

"yeah its faster BUT if they modded it, its a different story" ...... isnt it always gonna be a different story if its modded??? what if the other guy mods it too, what then? Money can buy alot. I could dump 000's, mod a K-car and beat ur ass with it, no it wouldnt be the best way to spend cash but a win is a win right? big deal.

I think we should just stick to stock for stock


"holy thread revival Batman" :p

Why compare stock to stock or a fwd to rwd. It's all a waste of time. Like you said, you can lose to a $1000 civic with a swap. I say run what u brung. F@#k all that stock vs. stock garbage unless you want to talk interior or exterior design, options or refinement. Otherwise, power and handling can be bought.

why is this thread back?

"RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE"
-Altered Beast

I ate 2 slices of pizza last night.

i thought dead threads decomposed...or is there a resident Franinstein running around? lol:p

I am the ressurecta! :D

Can someone exlapin this to me? 200hp vs 238hp? FWD vd RWD?

how can it be close?


first of all its 210Hp for the RSX type S, and 2nd the Rx8 doesnt have 238Hp!!!



As you can see people, I'm still pissed off at mazda for claiming that the 8 has 238Hp :mad:

no wonder the Rsx type S is faster

ok, the type-s is faster??....oh my god. And stop griping about quoting mag times. Stock for stock, on every test done (by professionals), the 8 is faster. How can anyone dispute that? The latest test by motor trend (with the 238hp version, or whatever number you want to make up) had the 8 at 14.55 in the 1/4. Has anyone seen times for the type-s that are faster....nope. I have had real world experience with the 8 against a type-s and we do have the edge. I never said it was a blow out, but it is laughable that some of you want to think the RSX is quicker. And stop with the BS about only a few being able replicate mag times. How does anyone know what the average 1/4 times are. Oh thats' right, every 8 owner must post on here, so that makes a good comparison. :rolleyes:

And far far as the guy who said he raced an 8 and pulled on him in 2nd and 3rd? all I can say is the guy driving the 8 must have been a crappy driver. Stock for stock, with equal drivers, the 8 will win in the 0-60, and 1/4 mile. It amazes me that every other car can run times lower than mag times (or so they say), but the 8 consistently runs higher times (that's all I hear), and only the odd one can produce mid 14's....give me a break. Tell that to the RSX-S I showed my bumper to last week. And he couldn't catch me.

The type-s is quick, but it won't outrun an 8......sorry to burst anyone's fantasy.

ok, the type-s is faster??....oh my god. And stop griping about quoting mag times. Stock for stock, on every test done (by professionals), the 8 is faster. How can anyone dispute that? The latest test by motor trend (with the 238hp version, or whatever number you want to make up) had the 8 at 14.55 in the 1/4. Has anyone seen times for the type-s that are faster....nope. I have had real world experience with the 8 against a type-s and we do have the edge. I never said it was a blow out, but it is laughable that some of you want to think the RSX is quicker. And stop with the BS about only a few being able replicate mag times. How does anyone know what the average 1/4 times are. Oh thats' right, every 8 owner must post on here, so that makes a good comparison. :rolleyes:

And far far as the guy who said he raced an 8 and pulled on him in 2nd and 3rd? all I can say is the guy driving the 8 must have been a crappy driver. Stock for stock, with equal drivers, the 8 will win in the 0-60, and 1/4 mile. It amazes me that every other car can run times lower than mag times (or so they say), but the 8 consistently runs higher times (that's all I hear), and only the odd one can produce mid 14's....give me a break. Tell that to the RSX-S I showed my bumper to last week. And he couldn't catch me.

The type-s is quick, but it won't outrun an 8......sorry to burst anyone's fantasy.

Actually the new RSX Type-S is faster, the RX-8 is quicker, I thought you would have learned the difference by now...

....yawn..... :rolleyes:

To bad Acura had to use the mac strut set up.....snorr...;)

i think i have the answer you are looking for...
i'm here in school... i have an rx8 with intake, midpipe and exhaust, clutch to come soon and full suspension upgrades...
my friend has a black type-s with Injen intake... and hondata (kinda like our cz unit).

i was "f-ing" around and i floored it in 2nd gear at 3krpm, and he launched in 1st gear. We call know that our 8's Don't have low end, but he was slowly creeping up on me... very slowly -- up until the point i hit my powerband...

then, i pulled away, but he BITCHES saying, oh shit, my type-S was gaining on you...
i wanted to punch him in the face, but i realized we have a lady killer, and he has a rice cooker.

Bottom line - the ACURA TYPE-S is the car that is MOST -RESPONSIVE to mods... b/c it's so restricted from stock. A CAI itself gives the rsx type-s a whopping 13whp. His Hondata should be giving him 20 to the wheels... so, yea...

our cars barely get 1-3rwhp from a HKS racing suction kit ::SIGH::

but i have to comment: when the air box for the rsx is out, it is "ugly as aids." it's like 1/2 the engine bay got cut off!! sooo damn ugly. Also, for the rsx type-s, the headers are very restricted. So with all that power, the pressure bottlenecks at the headers and he won't be able to gain too much.
IN SHORT, our rx-8's are pimp, while the rsx begs to be comparable to the 8.

Just do what i do - if he says he can beat you --- say, your HON-DUHHH doesn't even belong with our whips...

Enjoy the 8 man...
CZ 1.1 w/ stage 2.0 with SR MOTORSPORTS' extreme clutch package to be installed within the next two weeks!! YES!

Even the RSX guys think the 8 is faster:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=261729&highlight=rx-8

...interesting, no?

And more:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=252837&highlight=rx-8

I love these silly debates. These arguments will never end because there will never be complete agreement over which car is better/faster when they are such close competitors. I'm lucky to have each in my household. Both are amazing cars, albeit the RSX-S has a great deal more potential, at least for now. I think it's generally understood that both are quick cars and they're numbers are pretty close. It is my understanding that the RX8 is slightly faster stock. I'm glad both cars are out, raising the bar for each other performace wise to keep making better cars.

i'd like to mention that changing the tires on an rsx-s makes a big difference=)

Whoever has more stickers.

I don't know if you guys keep up with best motoring videos, but there is a race where a Type S leaves the RX-8 behind. It took a little time, but the RX-8 fell back. Now I recognize that there are several other factors involved....but after a few hard laps, I think the 8 falls off due to heat or something. I will try to find a link to the video, but the 8 stuck with then for a while, then it got trounced. The Honda S2K was spanking all of them after a while...

So I agree that by the numbers, and corrected for altitude figures...the 8 might have a slight advantage, but from a track perspective...it couldn't keep up...escpecially in the Heat Races.

I don't know if you guys keep up with best motoring videos, but there is a race where a Type S leaves the RX-8 behind. It took a little time, but the RX-8 fell back. Now I recognize that there are several other factors involved....but after a few hard laps, I think the 8 falls off due to heat or something. I will try to find a link to the video, but the 8 stuck with then for a while, then it got trounced. The Honda S2K was spanking all of them after a while...

So I agree that by the numbers, and corrected for altitude figures...the 8 might have a slight advantage, but from a track perspective...it couldn't keep up...escpecially in the Heat Races.
I've seen that video. There were several other cars on the track and all of them (except the miata) passed up the 8.

It seemed pretty obvious that the driver was the issue when it came to the 8. He was shifting way too early. There's a sequel to that video (revenge battle) where the 8 takes on the S2k alone and wins.

I don't know if you guys keep up with best motoring videos, but there is a race where a Type S leaves the RX-8 behind. It took a little time, but the RX-8 fell back. Now I recognize that there are several other factors involved....but after a few hard laps, I think the 8 falls off due to heat or something. I will try to find a link to the video, but the 8 stuck with then for a while, then it got trounced. The Honda S2K was spanking all of them after a while...

So I agree that by the numbers, and corrected for altitude figures...the 8 might have a slight advantage, but from a track perspective...it couldn't keep up...escpecially in the Heat Races.

I believe that was a type-R, practically a factory track car. No shame in falling to a type-R. (especially when the 8 driver was driving with his head up his arse)

I've seen that video. There were several other cars on the track and all of them (except the miata) passed up the 8.

It seemed pretty obvious that the driver was the issue when it came to the 8. He was shifting way too early. There's a sequel to that video (revenge battle) where the 8 takes on the S2k alone and wins.
It was not driver alone: The 8 was anemic in the straights, and mushy on the turns. The 'revenge' showcased a properly tuned and shoe'd RX-8 against a stock S2K(??)

It was not driver alone: The 8 was anemic in the straights, and mushy on the turns. The 'revenge' showcased a properly tuned and shoe'd RX-8 against a stock S2K(??) actually it was a mazdaspeed 8 vs a stock s2k.
no engine tuning was done. Just the mazdaspeed suspension, kit, flywheel and exhaust.

EDIT: but if you watch the original video and the shifting of the 8, you'll see that he shifts way too early. It's like he thinks he's drivin a TT FD.

I think it was an MS8 that was in the revenge battle...I can understand the driver shifting too early in the first video, but it got lapped by the EVO and STI. LAPPED! The only car on the lead lap was the S2000.

Not that I am wishing I bought something else, I wouldnt trade it for anything short of a Ford GT or a TVR Sagaris, but I would hope that the MS8 would stack up better to an S2000 than in the revenge battle.

actually it was a mazdaspeed 8You are probably right. I know there are 2 that are very similar: the MS RX-8 spec-A (or something) and another one with a Feed tuned RX-8 against a Nissan Z.

ive actually been in this kind of match up before. I know 2 people with type s' but one is an 04 and one is 05. Now weird situation with both of them. With both RSX's on a straight away, the Rx-8 takes off a bit quicker, but both eventually pull on our 8 due to the less weight THEY have. The RSX-S is a good match up for the 8 on a straight away, but those cars dont KILL our 8, but in other words they give it a good run. By the time we reach 8k rpm the story changes a bit. On the track is a different story. I believe the Rx-8 will out turn the RSX-S any day, but thats what I just think. One other thing, the RSX-S is just another honda, we have an RX-8! Which one would you rather be seen in?

well I have had a run in a few times with a type-s, and if your shifting at 9k, they are not pulling on you? Hell I can break my tires going into third on my car, but it has always pulled nicely stock. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a blow out, in fact the S is quick, and it would be close, but the 8 wins in the straight away unless your grandma is driving it :p

ive actually been in this kind of match up before. I know 2 people with type s' but one is an 04 and one is 05. Now weird situation with both of them. With both RSX's on a straight away, the Rx-8 takes off a bit quicker, but both eventually pull on our 8 due to the less weight THEY have. The RSX-S is a good match up for the 8 on a straight away, but those cars dont KILL our 8, but in other words they give it a good run. By the time we reach 8k rpm the story changes a bit. On the track is a different story. I believe the Rx-8 will out turn the RSX-S any day, but thats what I just think. One other thing, the RSX-S is just another honda, we have an RX-8! Which one would you rather be seen in?

That's about right, from a roll the '04 or older should pull on the RX-8 just a touch and the '05 should pull just a bit more. And yes once you consider turns the RX-8 certainly has the advantage.

from "real World experience" Ike, the type -s does not pull when the 8 is in the upper RPM range. The type-s that tried to run with me was even a bit modded, and he was not pulling. He got in front of me at a light and thought he would get away once he took off but I was right on his ass.

from "real World experience" Ike, the type -s does not pull when the 8 is in the upper RPM range. The type-s that tried to run with me was even a bit modded, and he was not pulling. He got in front of me at a light and thought he would get away once he took off but I was right on his ass.

You also say you keep up with G35s... Trap speeds don't lie man and the '05 RSX Type S is consistently trapping higher than any stock RX-8 I've seen, the '04 and older are about the same as the RX-8 with a little egde to the RSX from what I've seen at the strip. It's close enough that the particular car and driver will be the deciding factor though.

from "real World experience" Ike, the type -s does not pull when the 8 is in the upper RPM range. The type-s that tried to run with me was even a bit modded, and he was not pulling. He got in front of me at a light and thought he would get away once he took off but I was right on his ass.
let's keep this one away from the concept of street racing. you're trading awfully close with this post.

trapping higher??




yah ok IKE

show me one mag that has the type-s higher than the 8

and yes IKE, I have a good friend that has the 2003 G35 S and I have kept up with him from 2nd to 3rd, and the type-s is quick, but not faster........and that's from real world driving

show me one mag that has the type-s higher than the 8
Broker, I am going to come through like an ass....but I know you can live with it and you know me better than this; however, I can probably show you more than a dozen timeslips for several RSX-S in different states of tune with traps equal to or radically higher to any trap obtained by any "magazine" or even by our bestest drag-stripper ( :p )PoLak.

Would you like to see?

everyone talks about 1/4 mile and 0-60...find me a curvy road, and ill show you my 8's ass

Last one...

everyone talks about 1/4 mile and 0-60...find me a curvy road, and ill show you my 8's ass
I don't think anyone is disputing that....but that's beyond the matter at hand at this very moment.

Who the Fvck cares guys. This is complete nonsense. These two cars are very close and it's a drivers race end of story. This bickering is getting retarded.

The RSX-S has some good HP and since it doesn't have a RWD driveshaft to overcome I would think that it would put more HP to the ground. But all that HP to the front wheels can come at a price of less initial traction from a dead stop.

Also, can someone verify the TQ numbers on the RSx-S vs. the RX8? It's TQ that wins off the line drag and HP that wins trap speeds.

For the love of God......

STOP RESURRECTING THIS THREAD!

I've seen a race from Best Motoring at Tsukaba with both the Type-R Integra and the RX-8 stock. The 8 came in ahead of the ITR if I remember correctly (got the movie on my PC). But I do remember being shocked at how well the ITR handles. That thing was moving. Heck, after seeing that race, I consider the RSX Type-S and mod it to be an ITR.

Stock for stock the 8 in all catagories. The ITR totally outclasses the RSX Type-S and the japan version RX-8 is really not all that different than the US 8. If the 8 beat an ITR then the RSX needs to get some mods to catch the 8.

I have to agree with Mugatu, let this thread die...mods close it! That being said, no the 8 lost that race even to the itr. They raced again a second time, and it lost again. Then they race the mx 8, and it finally won. Btw, I LOVE THAT JESSICA ALBA GIF Mugatu.

Dang! This thread is old!

http://www.spymac.com/upload/gallery/f_2/user_20625/upload_402110.jpg

Hey Guys!

I just traded my DC5 Type R (RSX-S) in for the 8.
Take it from me, the 8 is quicker, both straight line and point to point.
The R certainly feels quicker due to VTEC kick and FWD feedback through the steering, but the 8 is deceptively quick.
I can't wait to mod my 8 and make it even quicker.

what the hell, are you NUTS? if you werent lying and you really had a Hype-R then it should have been much faster htan the 8...and do you live in japan? because if you live in the usa you should be slapped, the car is no longer called integra and is not a "dc5" here and there is no "typeR" trim in the USA either, that only applies to a few european countries, australia, new zealand, and japan. so you better live in one of those countries

I believe that was a type-R, practically a factory track car. No shame in falling to a type-R. (especially when the 8 driver was driving with his head up his arse)

werd. :cool:
i'd have no problem with my stock 8 losing to a japanese imported dc5 Type-R, the car cost a HELL of a lot more than an 8 and like you said is like a factory track car. hell if i saw a real dc5 type r on the streets i would get out of my car and bow. now...my 450hp SFR turbo'ed 55hp ZEX nitrous, full bolt ons, headers, super hi flo cat/mp, turbo tuned catback, intake, lightweight pulleys and flywheel, ecu tuning, etc might be a different story... :rolleyes:

what the hell, are you NUTS? if you werent lying and you really had a Hype-R then it should have been much faster htan the 8...and do you live in japan? because if you live in the usa you should be slapped, the car is no longer called integra and is not a "dc5" here and there is no "typeR" trim in the USA either, that only applies to a few european countries, australia, new zealand, and japan. so you better live in one of those countries

For some reason Type S owners like to call their cars DC5 Type R's but they're just fooling themselves.

true, but i know many people that are really knowledgable about hondas and stuff and might say that just for "fun" i should ask one of my honda nerd buddys which trim the US type S corresponds to in japan and how that particular japanese trim compares to a Type R.

who cares...the 8 looks better..


"Its not how you stand by your car, its how you race your car, you better learn dat"

Lmao Ja Rule was a joke in that movie..

Can someone exlapin this to me? 200hp vs 238hp? FWD vd RWD?

how can it be close?

i think the 238HP is a lie..........well, just my 2 cents...
my friend had a RSX-S with cold air intake DC heater tanabe exhaust with tuned VAFC II. we always race at night back then, and i think he's a very good driver, but theres no chance he could catch up with my FD, i can smoke him in every gear beside 6 which i doesn't have. after my FD were sold and I got my 8, i raced with him once and i am faster about 1/2 car length in 3rd. and he gave up on 4th cuz there's a turn in front, basicly the car sucks at turns, really sucks. afterward i point to his car and laught, one week later he sold his and got a EVO MR, he point and laught at my 8 almost everytime we cruise :( so don't mess with those RSX owners......

Turbo it to a gazzilion horsepower for all you want... its still an FF car...

What is FF?

What is FF?

Front engine, front wheel drive.

fast furious.................... any stop ressurectuming this thread.

i think the 238HP is a lie..........well, just my 2 cents...
my friend had a RSX-S with cold air intake DC heater tanabe exhaust with tuned VAFC II. we always race at night back then, and i think he's a very good driver, but theres no chance he could catch up with my FD, i can smoke him in every gear beside 6 which i doesn't have. after my FD were sold and I got my 8, i raced with him once and i am faster about 1/2 car length in 3rd. and he gave up on 4th cuz there's a turn in front, basicly the car sucks at turns, really sucks. afterward i point to his car and laught, one week later he sold his and got a EVO MR, he point and laught at my 8 almost everytime we cruise :( so don't mess with those RSX owners......

yeah because all of them(this happens everytime) will turn thier back on you and go out and buy evo MR's to get revenge on you :rolleyes: