Hello, Im new to the forum. I recently made a deal on an 04 RX-8. Red, 6M,GT.
The evening I made the deal, I came home and started to research in depth the short history of the 8. The boards I have been on have all shown the same issues, some major, some minor. I was so scared to get stranded by a brand new car that I called the dealer and told them I was not taking the car.
Heres the thing, I really loved the car. Are the problems with it enough to warrant not buying it, IYO?
I drive an 03 Accord V-6 coupe now, that I love, its reliable, smooth, just not FUN.
Any opinions??

Yes, you made a very big mistake. The 8 has no more problems than any other new car model, and if that's why you didn't take it, I can respect that. However, if you're saying you didn't buy the 8 because you have decided that there is something intrinsically wrong with it, you made a very uneducated and silly decision.

No regrets at all from my end. And I am sure you will get similar replys in very short order.

I have had no problems, and love the car....Sounds like you are worried needlessly, best get a car with a few years under it's belt, you will sleep better.

Try a mustang.

Had mine a month now. Haven't been stranded yet. If you can walk from a deal so easily, I'd advise using that talent in negotiating your final price. You should be able to put the dealer's nads in a vise with an attitude like that :) Good luck dude and if you decide against the 8, at least the Honda will crank (I hope).

I have absolutely no regrets in my purchase, over 10,000 miles later on one of the RX-8s from the first month of US production. Do some searching on this forum and you will find more folks like it than not. And there is nothing to compare in my experience to the head-turning attention this car gets. I would not hesitate to recommend the RX-8 to any one that wants style, fun, reliability and a dash of practicallity in their sports car.

Repeat after me, "The rotor is my friend. Renesis is not a dirty word. The RX-8 is good enough for me. And by golly I am good enough for the RX-8." Now, call your dealer. Tell him the medication has worn off and you have regained your senses. :D

5 months, 8100 miles, 0 regrets.

6 months, 6000 miles, and still wake up thinking about her. No problems, no regrets, and lots of fun. This car makes getting a loaf of bread fun.

Every car purchase is about compromises. Research them and figure out how they weigh in on your descision. But don't think just becasue you haven't heard things about other cars they are fine. Take a closer look and you will see all have some compromise involved in either design or issues.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
6 months, 6000 miles, and still wake up thinking about her. No problems, no regrets, and lots of fun. This car makes getting a loaf of bread fun.
Chuck, you're laggin, buddy. I'm at 5 months and 10,500 miles. No complaints and no regrets. Still love it to death. I just got my insurance check (from the other guy) to fix the dents on the door. By the end of the week we will be at 100% again.

My wife and I waited almost three months between placing the order and taking delivery. We used that time to scrutinize this web site (and others), but mainly this one, and though we can't boast thousands of miles under our tires, we can say we love this car. The RX-8 is a beautiful machine that promises to provide reliable transportation for years to come. We sold our '93 Honda when we bought the RX-8. As the others have said, "no regrets."

Just look at the poll results in the sticky re: customer satisfaction.

thanks for the advice guys. I may reconsider. But, like I said, I sleep well at night knowing theres a Honda parked in the garage, knowing itll run in the morning. Its just not a fun car to drive.
The deal I worked out...
They agreed to sell me the car for 500 over invoice. After they agreed to this, the finance manager came out and told the salesman that Mazda just gave dealers $1500 dealer cash to do with it what they deem necessary. The sales manager informed me that they were willing to put all $1500 into the deal, so it turns out it would actually be $1000 below invoice. What are your opinions on that deal.
I just went back to the dealer to look at it again, and I swear, it was talking to me. Idunno, we'll see.
Again, thanks for the opinions.

$1000 below INVOICE is probably about as good as you could hope for (other's may disagree). $1000 below STICKER sucks. Don't mean to insult you but people get dealer invoice and MSRP criss-crossed all the darn time. Mine was $500 over dealer invoice and I thought I was getting a good deal. As I said, others have done better but $1000 below Dealer Invoice is a deal I'd go for.....

no, not msrp, INVOICE, its about 3000 off sticker.

There's a poll about who has flooded more than once. The way it came out, 90 percent have never flooded. Half of them try to never flood (like, they warm up properly) the other half just don't worry about it and do nothing special.

Of the 10 percent that have flooded, only two have had it happen more than once. This problem got lots of talk on this forum, but I just don't think it's a huge problem. I can say this and my car is in the shop right now cuz of flooding. it's my only time and I expect it to be my last time. They're putting in new spark plugs that are supposed to fix it.

I respect what you did, and agree with Firstspin that you have increased your bargaining power by showing your willingness to walk. Go back to the same dealer, tell 'em you like the car, have serious reservations, you're willing to think about it but want concessions on their part. You'll get an even better deal and you will never regret it.

Originally posted by CatchMe
They agreed to sell me the car for 500 over invoice. After they agreed to this, the finance manager came out and told the salesman that Mazda just gave dealers $1500 dealer cash to do with it what they deem necessary. The sales manager informed me that they were willing to put all $1500 into the deal, so it turns out it would actually be $1000 below invoice. What are your opinions on that deal.

Run, don't walk, back to the dealer (ok, walk long enough to not appear winded when you get there). That is a fantastic deal, and it sounds to me that they're having difficulty selling theirs. This has been a problem for many dealerships, as they've been refusing to budge very far from MSRP for months. Many are now finally understanding that MSRP doesn't put new cars on the road for people to see and get interested in them (except for our die-hards here who were among the first to get theirs :D ). I've seen no local affiliate commercials for the car - only a couple on Speedvision, etc. in four months. Except for these, the only way they'll get more people interested in the car is to get them on the streets where they can be seen.

Sleep well with your ACCORD! :p

This is the MOST amazing, fun and cool car I have ever owned. It can play BWM luxury, RX-7 handling, 12 cylinder smoothness, S2000 REV, sport sedan cargo/passenger capacity and NOTHING looks or drives like it.

This is such a great car. its not going to leave you stranded.

Originally posted by klegg
I have had no problems, and love the car....Sounds like you are worried needlessly, best get a car with a few years under it's belt, you will sleep better.

Try a mustang.

I'm not religious...but AMEN.

As for the flooding issue, I've never had mine flood. I do the following to avoid the flooding issue; start it without touching the accelerator pedal, yes this can and should be done, and then I let it warm up for at least five minutes, (probably don't need as much warm-up time in warmer climates). Depending on what my next activity is, i.e.; moving the car out of the garage, or making a trek out, I make sure to run the revs up to at least 5krpm. This clears any excess fuel out of the chambers, and therefore prevents flooding. If you make short trips, be sure to get it out on the highway once a week where you can open it up, and run the revs high, to avoid condensation. Of course, all of this is either in the owners manual, or one of the Mazda service techs told me, or maybe I just remember doing this with my RX-3 and never having any problems with it either. :D

Ah, but that's right. You decided not to buy one based on things you read over the internet, right?

I've had mine for two months now, with 1200 miles, haven't really paid much attention to MPG, but am always "chomping at the bit" for the snow and ice to melt on the streets and highways around here so that I can get out and enjoy my car.

We all have to make decisions based on whats right for each of us.

Me? I went with the 8. No regrets. Except the length of this borderline rant...:D

If you want a car that you sleep well owning -- keep the Honda. Personally I like having a car that keeps me up at night thinking about and makes me jump out of bed in the morning looking forward to the drive to work :D

Sounds like a good deal; I think you should just get it. In all probability you'll love it and, in the unlikely event it's not reliable (highly unlikely, I believe), it's not the end of the world - you can simply sell it.

CatchMe: If it makes you feel more comfortable,I came from a 03 EXV6 accord as well and I can tell you that I am so much happier with the RX8 6 M.T. I have not had any problems and although People are having MPG concerns, I didn't find it much worse than the Accord. The gas light comes on but you still have about 3 gal left in the tank. By the way, Honda of America repurchased my car, It was a lemon!

Absolutely thrilled with my car.

Now, to be fair, what else did he expect to hear from owners of the car on this site? Anyone who regretted the car or had issues with it are probably no longer owners and are no longer here anymore. I don't know why people always ask a specific car enthusiast forum whether they like the car or not. Everyone already knows the answers they'll get.

hey jim w, what was wrong with the Accord???
Mine has 20k, and no problems as of yet.
28.5mpg avg.

Originally posted by CatchMe
Hello, Im new to the forum. I recently made a deal on an 04 RX-8. Red, 6M,GT.
The evening I made the deal, I came home and started to research in depth the short history of the 8. The boards I have been on have all shown the same issues, some major, some minor. I was so scared to get stranded by a brand new car that I called the dealer and told them I was not taking the car.
Heres the thing, I really loved the car. Are the problems with it enough to warrant not buying it, IYO?
I drive an 03 Accord V-6 coupe now, that I love, its reliable, smooth, just not FUN.
Any opinions??

CATCH ME - that's the problem with putting too much stock in forums like this - problems get blown way out of proportion - resulting in a "Chicken Little" type atmosphere. You will always find the majority of posts relating to problems. My car has no problems, so I spend most of my time reading about the few unfortunates and trying to put things in perspective. This car is the best value out there in a practical sports car, and it's a blast to drive. If you're really concerned about it, hang onto your Accord for one more year and see what changes happen with the 8. As for me, I have no regrets about getting one of the 1st 8's off the line. I did it with the 2nd gen 7, too, and loved that car for 16 years. Of course, now I never want to drive it because the 8 has spoiled me too much :)

$3000 off sticker is a nice deal. It must be harder to sell a sports car in the winter, but good for buyers! Next winter she's on my list. My current two cars are both paid off next November, and then I can go shopping. :D

I do enjoy reading owner's comments! All of you have been very helpful, but it's getting hard to wait...

CatchMe,

I assume you were doing a trade as well. The extra dollars were probably there. Like they undercut your trade by 1-2 K and subtracted it from your new purchase to make it look good. Not knocking your deal. That's just typical sales method. If you got retail for your trade, then you got a heck of a deal!

Having owned 4 Hondas, I know the feeling. but every vehicle just gets older with use and more unreliable. There will come a time regardless of who built the vehicle. For me, I don't buy Honda's anymore because of the "fun" factor. of course they have picked some of that up with the Acura line. But I never had an issue with any of my Hondas. So i know exactly where you are coming from.

Again, thanks for the opinions folks.
Just a note, the deal was figured with Edmunds trade in value. They looked at NADA, KBB, and Edmunds, and said they would take the highest trade value and use that. Usually they use True Market Value, ie call the auction guys and see what they go for at auction. These guys didnt do that, they said the car is resalable, and they would use Edmunds price, sounds fair to me.
Also, I know theyre spot on with my trade value because Ive been looking at trading for a used BMW 330, and those guys are horrible to try to deal with. Mazda is allowing me $2000 more than BMW is for my trade.

NO YOU MADE A MISTAKE NOT BUYING IT----4 months, 6K + miles, still would buy another, no problems, just keep your oil checked every 2nd fill up if you drive hard, less if you baby it, and you too will have this feeling we have when we look out at, or get into our cars. This is a beautiful car with lots of class, it's been the most fun to drive, I took it on the Dragon, (it's 129 South out of Knoxville into North Carolina, apprx. 318 switchback curves in 11 miles, car handled great, never had as much fun in the car, no brakes, just 2nd to 3rd to 1st and back. I do now have calluses on my hands.

Originally posted by CatchMe
no, not msrp, INVOICE, its about 3000 off sticker.

That's about the deal I got, $3k off MSRP. Hell, I'd jump on it. Come to think of it, if I had the money, I'd come out there and steal your deal out from under you. That's how well sold on the car I am. :D
You'd be fairly hard-pressed to find very many other people on this forum who'd disagree with me.
Buy the car.
-Doccable

Love my 8. Love it, love it, love it! No car is without a little risk. I'm not a big risk taker myself, but would I rather have a boring well-established car (a Corolla, perhaps?) or one that I love to drive and look at? Excellent buy for you, it sounds like!

wow $1000 under invoice sounds pretty good. like someone else said, in the unlikely event you regret buying it you could sell it and probably at a very minimal loss considering the low purchase price.

CatchMe,

I'm not sure what your financial situation is like. Do you plan to trade in your Accord because you don't want two cars or because you can't afford two cars?

If it's simply a case of you don't want two cars or don't want to make monthly payments on two cars concurrently, I would suggest that you wait until the Accord is paid off before you buy an RX8, while keeping the Accord. You'll need the security of having a Honda to back you up. How do I know? Because in order to justify my "taking a chance" on the beautiful piece of engineering called the RX8, I had to first decide to keep my 10-year-old Honda instead of selling it. Speaking for a Honda owner, I KNOW that not only will reliability be constantly on your mind, but also, if you buy the RX8, gas mileage. Having my Honda around with my RX8 provides me the necessary peace of mind.

If however it's because you can't afford to keep two cars, then I would suggest that you keep the Accord and forget about the RX8 until the financial situation changes.

From one Honda owner to another.

After driving for about 25 years and having owned.....

--'67 GTO
--69 MGB-GT
--'71 Trans Am
--'78 VW Sirocco
--'85 Toyota Corolla GTS
--'89 Toyota Celica GTS
--'91 Honda Accord
--'93 Toyota Camry
--'97 BMW 325i
--'99 BMW 328i

I can say that the RX8 is the best car I've ever owned....hands down. I've got 6K miles and bought mine in August.

Aside from the CEL (fixed under warranty....no further problems) and the false "low oil level" light (fixed under warranty....no further problems) and the hard to find trunk release button, mine has been perfect. I drive it like I stole it. I get about 17 MPG in town and 22 MPG-24 MPG on the highway...18 MPG -19 MPG in mixed driving. In all kinds of weather and at temps ranging from 17 degrees to 95 degrees, I've started-stopped the engine after a few seconds numerous times and no flooding issues.

I can't think of another car I've enjoyed as much as this one.

I wouldnt let all the negative posts your read discourage you from buying. I know it may seem like lots of people are having problems, but you will see more of those post verses the people that have had no problems what so ever. I bought my car in August and have 10,000 miles on it not a single problem. This car is just plain fun to drive.

So hurry and go get the damn thing. You wont regret it trust me

Originally posted by CatchMe
Hello, Im new to the forum. I recently made a deal on an 04 RX-8. Red, 6M,GT.
The evening I made the deal, I came home and started to research in depth the short history of the 8. The boards I have been on have all shown the same issues, some major, some minor. I was so scared to get stranded by a brand new car that I called the dealer and told them I was not taking the car.
Heres the thing, I really loved the car. Are the problems with it enough to warrant not buying it, IYO?
I drive an 03 Accord V-6 coupe now, that I love, its reliable, smooth, just not FUN.
Any opinions??


Big mistake, in my opinion. Go to the dealer and buy and 8.


By the way, I'm curious to what problems you, and some others are talking about???


THe only minor problems are flooding and gas mileage issues, both which only happen to some of the cars and even when they are happening, they are not that big of a deal..


FOr most people, including myself, the gas mileage gets better as the car ages.

Should have checked this poll out before deciding dude.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15032

Originally posted by rotarymagic
Big mistake, in my opinion. Go to the dealer and buy and 8.


By the way, I'm curious to what problems you, and some others are talking about???


THe only minor problems are flooding and gas mileage issues, both which only happen to some of the cars and even when they are happening, they are not that big of a deal..


FOr most people, including myself, the gas mileage gets better as the car ages.

Well, the flooding, oil consumption, and fuel mileage are the issues.
As for the flooding not being a big deal...having to call my boss to tell him I wont be in to work because my brand new 31000 dollar car is dead in the driveway is definately a big deal. I just am not willing to take that risk right now. This, in my book, is absolutely unacceptable.

Originally posted by CatchMe
Well, the flooding, oil consumption, and fuel mileage are the issues.
As for the flooding not being a big deal...having to call my boss to tell him I wont be in to work because my brand new 31000 dollar car is dead in the driveway is definately a big deal. I just am not willing to take that risk right now. This, in my book, is absolutely unacceptable.


Yes, if that happened, it would be a big deal. In the real world, car trouble is no excuse to be late or miss work.

I am trying to point out that flooding th RX8 does not happen as much as people think. And when it does happen, it is usually due to human error. The owner's manual tells how to prevent such a thing from happening.

Also, what is the oil consumption problem? Using too much oil? As far as my RX8 is concerned, it doesn't use that much more than any other car I have owned. Just to note though, I have gotten the oil changed on the RX8 every 2000 miles, so maybe the majority of the oil consumption is happening at or after the 3000 mile mark.

As a previous rotary owner, I can attest to the fact that rotary engines have always used/burned oil. This one, so far (1500 miles), has barely used 1/2 qt. IMHO, this rotary uses much less oil than the 12A ever did, (approximately 1 qt/2k miles). As far as flooding issues are concerned, if you follow the instructions that are in the owners manual, or talk to a competent rotary tech about how to avoid it, you shouldn't have problems. I still think you're making a huge mistake by not buying the car. But, that's just me. :cool:
-Doccable

I don't mean to be rude, but I fail to see how spending $2 on a quart of oil every 2k is any kind of issue. Surely, if you can afford a $30k car, you can afford to buy oil occasionally.

And since the majority of us have not had any kind of flooding problems (watch me jinx myself on this one) I don't think you need to worry about that either. And if your boss gets mad because of a problem you can't do anything about, you need a new job :p

I can, however, understand the fuel consumption, especially if you drive in the city a lot.

CatchMe: Sorry I responded so late. My problems with the Accord were Emissions related ( fumes in car), bad MPG related to emissions prob, rattles, bad paint (swirls,scratches) interior components breaking(change holder, C.D. storage cover) leather seating was falling apart and discoloring, CD player broke twice and was replaced as well as exterior molding problems, in short the car was a total lemon, I was very dissapointed as it was my first Honda and it was not reliable like I thought it would be, but overall I have friends that have the car and they have zero problems, so like any new car, it's the luck of the draw.

Originally posted by JimW
CatchMe: Sorry I responded so late. My problems with the Accord were Emissions related ( fumes in car), bad MPG related to emissions prob, rattles, bad paint (swirls,scratches) interior components breaking(change holder, C.D. storage cover) leather seating was falling apart and discoloring, CD player broke twice and was replaced as well as exterior molding problems, in short the car was a total lemon, I was very dissapointed as it was my first Honda and it was not reliable like I thought it would be, but overall I have friends that have the car and they have zero problems, so like any new car, it's the luck of the draw.


Holy smokes!!!
I guess it was a lemon. Im very surprised. I know no car is perfect, but damn, thats sick. Sorry your spoiled from another Honda, they really are great cars. Kinda like Vanilla ice cream. Very sensible, nobody hates em, most like em, but not too exciting.

Originally posted by CatchMe
Again, thanks for the opinions folks.
Just a note, the deal was figured with Edmunds trade in value. They looked at NADA, KBB, and Edmunds, and said they would take the highest trade value and use that. Usually they use True Market Value, ie call the auction guys and see what they go for at auction. These guys didnt do that, they said the car is resalable, and they would use Edmunds price, sounds fair to me.
Also, I know theyre spot on with my trade value because Ive been looking at trading for a used BMW 330, and those guys are horrible to try to deal with. Mazda is allowing me $2000 more than BMW is for my trade. If you can ever get KBB trade-in value, TAKE IT!

KBB's values are around 10% higher than what the real auction value of any given car is, so if a dealer is actually willing to give you that, TAKE IT...

I know this is an old thread, but just wondering what your decision was. Sounds like most of the owners on here love their RX8s. And the flooding problem, I've never had after 4000 miles, but I've always been told that you NEVER step on the gas when you turn on the car, only turn the key. And make sure when you turn off the engine, you rev it up and remove the key so the rotors will spin and generate enough heat to burn up what's left in the engine. We had a 1979 RX7, probably one of the first ones to ever come to this country and we drove it and loved it. Then we sold it to my sister and she drove it forever, even replaced the engine, drove it even more and it finally died about 2 years ago. The point being, if you want nothing but reliability, drive a Honda, or a Toyota - we've had both of those too, good cars, but not nearly as fun as the RX7 or RX8. And those cars have to have their times in the repair shop as well.

Any time you get in on the first year of a new model, there will be some "adjustments" most likely. But having an engine that has won the International Engine of the Year award goes a long way in my opinion. Anyhow, I love my RX8, and I would buy it again with absolutely no second thoughts. The only problem I have is that I no longer can park anywhere close to the front of where I'm going because I hate getting dinged by inconsiderate drivers who just fling open their car doors into the side of the car next to them.

i just bought mine today and i LOOOOVE IT...i cant see any problems with flooding the engine as everyone is saying as long as you let it warm up wich take a matter of minutes. this car is amazing!

Originally posted by Elara
Yes, you made a very big mistake. The 8 has no more problems than any other new car model, and if that's why you didn't take it, I can respect that. However, if you're saying you didn't buy the 8 because you have decided that there is something intrinsically wrong with it, you made a very uneducated and silly decision.

Without knowing his driving habits, needs and concerns I'd say your remarks define "very uneducated".

"The 8 has no more problems than any other new car model". True. Different and perhaps of greater concern to some drivers (especially those in colder winter climes like Rochester, NY)? I'd say, yes.

I'm not going to rehash the flooding issue here, but to say that no driver should be concerned about the possibility or propensity of the 8 to flood (as compared to an '03 Honda Accord) would be ignorant. Some car owners just don't want to think about the issue. Should flooding be a concern for this potential owner? I don't know and neither do you. So, to say that he made an "uneducated and silly" decision is both uneducated and silly.

Educate him and then let him decide. There's nothing silly about asking for information. He can still go back to the dealer and buy the car after he's made an informed decision. To say "no, don't worry about it", however, assumes you have full knowledge of his needs...which you don't. IMHO, the best thing anyone here can do about flooding is educate people about the issue and let them make a decision.

-Eric

Edit: Wow, this was a REALLY old thread. lol :D

Originally posted by Sue Esponte
Without knowing his driving habits, needs and concerns I'd say your remarks define "very uneducated".



And your point in bringing up an old thread and attacking me for fussing at what was essentially a trolling post would be what?

Originally posted by Elara
And your point in bringing up an old thread and attacking me for fussing at what was essentially a trolling post would be what?

I didn't bring up the old post to the top of the board, RXilar8ed did. I didn't notice the date on the original post which is why I later added the note about the age of the original post. AND, I wasn't attacking you. I was attacking your comment about the initial query and concern. I think that was made very clear in my post.

It's nothing personal but attacking someone's decision to hold off on a purchase as "uneducated and silly" because they learned something about a car that caused them some distress is wrong. In fact, I'd say the buyer had an intelligent response.

I also don't know how the original post could be interpreted as trolling. The guy said he loved the car and wanted it but read a few things that made him nervous enough to hold off on an order. He was merely asking for opinions and information from owners before he made the plunge to buy. How is that a troll? Sounds like a potential buyer to me. Isn't that part of the point behind this board?

-Eric

This is the first car I have owned (out of 5) that I actually look forward to driving! I can not believe that this car is in my driveway. Absolutely no regrets, none, zip, notta!!!

Good God man, BUY the car!!!!!!!!!!! HOW MUCH MORE OF A DEAL DO YOU WANT?? I have had my 8 since Sept., 2003, have put 8, 000 miles on him and I absolutely love the car. No regrets here. You should follow your heart and listen to what us experienced 8 owners are saying and get the car. There is no other car out there in any price range that I'd rather have than my 8. The rotarys are very reliable.

I read catchme's 11 posts from 1/4 to 1/6 -- he certainly looks to be pretty far on the Honda/Acura side of the fence. The only good thing I recall him saying about the RX-8 was to agree it would be more fun than to drive than a TSX, and then lists 7 reasons the TSX is better, takes shots at the RX-8 every chance he got, yet shows great sympathy to Honda problems. I don't know what he was, besides flash in the pan; I would rate much closer to troll than buyer.

Not too sure if you are still reading this thread. My last 2 cars were a Golf GTi and BMW 320i. I had NO (ZERO) problems with these cars. I bought my RX8 in Dec 03 because it was one of the best drives I had experienced. The practical issues I have encountered since then have been a surprise. In particular the flooding problem. This is very poor design and had I really known that this was a real issue, I would have thought twice. (Particularily since I have had it towed last month for that exact problem). This also leads me to really question the advantages of rotary, of which I have found none. The recent recall regarding the driver airbag was also a surprise. Oh, I forgot about the dampner on the stick shift - the list will probably grow as the year goes on.... I guess my 12/10 experience before I bought the car downgraded to an 8/10 - there are better alternatives and I will probably change this car later this year.

I traded in a 2003 Accord Coupe EX V6 (juts like Catchme’s) for the RX8. But before I treaded the Accord in, I got a recall notice that had something to do with the locks. Yes, Hondas get recalls as well!

I have no regrets about buying the RX8, but I don’t believe this car is a good fit for the average driver. So, when people I know are on the fence between the RX8, and say a TSX, I tell them to get TSX (or whatever sedan they are looking at). If they can’t tell how much better the RX8 handles over most anything else at its price range, then they’re not ready for a sports car. They are usually point-A-to-point-B drivers who need an appliance on wheels.

If they are on the fence between the RX8 and another sports car, then I tell them to let their heart decide. Sports cars are not about practicality and convenience, they are about how they make you feel when you drive them.

Don't be so paranoid, its a rotary....it is not like most cars out there with valves, pistons, cylinders, etc. You made a very big mistake....if you take care of it, an RX-8 can last you a very long time i am sure of it. Just ask owners on here that have 15,000+ miles on their machines, and see what "serious" problems they have encountered. Don't worry...be happy!;)

Three moving parts in the rotary vs. 144 plus in the piston engine. Why can't we get past our fixation with the standard piston engine that's been around forever? BTW, I love that rotary hum, and the sound it makes when you come to a stop, like a jet engine slowing down.

Viking, I don't really see any bias, this is the RX8 forum, not a court of law. You can't expect the original poster to get anything other than the opinions of a bunch of avid RX8 owners here. If you want impartiality, check out Consumer Reports or Motor Trend or Car and Driver. Obviously, the RX isn't the car for everyone, thank goodness, or they would be all over. And truly, if he has reservations, it's better that he not get one than be angry every time one of the car's idiosyncrasies comes up. And all cars have idiosyncrasies, it's just whether or not you are willing to live with them on balance. Iwould never presume to suggest that someone buy a car on how I like it. I just tell them my experience; let them use it as they will.

Are these lasts posts directed at?
- CatchMe, who started the thread and didn't buy an RX-8
- roberto, who recently posted and did buy an RX-8 that has flooded

Guys, the thread has been dead for two months...

You know, reading a forum is like watching the nightly news. The news only shows you all the bad things going on in the world. Very rarely do you watch a feel good story on the news. The same applies to this forum. This is a place for RX-8 owners to come together, discuss their problems to gain insight and solutions, and express their love for their car.

If catchme is only reading the posts containing problems, then he's not reading all of the other posts from people who love the RX-8. I personally have NEVER experienced my RX flooding and I start it and stop it all the time without letting it warm up. I move it in and out of the garage with no problems. She's never left me stranded.

And catchme, you say that no one hates Honda's...Well I do...Could a car get any more vanilla than a Honda??? Yes they're reliable and that's great and all, but if that's your main goal in buying a car, then just buy another Honda...A fun, quirky(?), stylish, fast and well-balanced RX-8 is not for you...go get an S2000...but then you might be the type of person who buys a convertible but never puts the top down...

warrenty till 100000km ,so giver shit till then ,then trade er in

no probs with mine yet 2500 km.just giver shit.drive the fuckr hard .warrenty till 100000km.then trade er in

You are missing out on one of the best cars to own and drive.

no regrets and no problems

I had a 2001 Celica GTS that was fabulous! Action package, pristine white and perfect! Saw and test drove the 8 ..... turned in the Celica that day!