RX-8 AccessPORT Tuning WEBCast Seminar (http://www.mazdamaniac.com/cobb/seminar/seminar.htm)


This four-part WEBCast seminar offers the Cobb AccessPORT user/tuner the opportunity to interact LIVE with MazdaManiac and observe the operation and tuning of the AccessPORT in a variety of RX-8 modification scenarios, including naturally-aspirated AND forced induction. Participants will receive hands-on training in the creation of custom, application-specific calibrations and detailed explanations of every engine management strategy addressed in the Cobb AccessPORT AccessTUNER software.

Utilizing WEB Conferencing, participants can hear live-streaming lecture audio as well as see exactly how the software is utilized on real-time desktop. Participants can engage in live chat for group discussion and questions. Class size is restricted to 10 participants per session to maximize participant interactivity with each other and MazdaManiac.



Part One: Introduction to the AccessPORT Hardware, Software and MazdaManiac Custom Calibration Service

Participants are introduced to the AccessPORT hardware and software, including the AccessPORT Manager, AccessPORT Updater and AccessTUNER tools. Participants are guided step-by-step through the process of updating, installing and logging with the AccessPORT on the RX-8 and the submission process for the MazdaManiac Custom Calibration service is thoroughly explained. Datalogging is demonstrated as well as updating the AccessPORT firmware and using the AccessPORT Manager to move calibrations on and off the AccessPORT as well as downloading datalog files. As an introduction to the AccessTUNER software, participants are guided through the functions of the software as well as the individual tables and their use in the calibration process.



Part Two: AccessTUNER Software Functions and Engine Management Operation

Participants are guided through the function and manipulation of the AccessTUNER software tables and lists and their effect on drivetrain function. Individual tables are explained and the process of calibrating sensor response, commanding fuel values and calibrating actuator range is demonstrated. Understanding the effect of individual tables on the resultant engine output is emphasized and utilizing datalogging to monitor engine response is demonstrated. Engine management concepts are explained and demonstrated in the context of the AccessPORT AccessTUNER software. Open and closed-loop fueling tables are studied in depth as well as the ignition tables and actuator tables.




Part Three (A/B): Advanced AccessTUNER Calibration Techniques

Participants receive in-depth instruction on the AccessTUNER tables and their use in highly modified contexts. Modification of actuator scaling tables, offsets and compensation is demonstrated for RX-8 applications utilizing forced induction devices, larger injectors, aftermarket ignition systems and intake systems. Injector latency, ignitor dwell and MAF/injector scaling interaction is explained as well as limiting tables, OMP function and igntion and fuel modifier tables and their effect on engine output. "Problem" scenarios are identified and difficulties with table interactions are addressed, with emphasis on "real-world" tuning issues on modified RX-8s. So much information is covered in this last section that it is divided into two parts.




Additional dates for all three sessions will be added as necessary.

Sign up now! (http://www.mazdamaniac.com/cobb/seminar/seminar.htm)


Some answers to a few of the questions I've been asked:

1) You don't need any special software for the WEB Conferencing. Its WEB-based. After you enroll, you will be sent an e-mail with a secure WEB address. You just click on the link at the appropriate time and you will be taken to the site. You will want a decent internet connection, though. I have used DimDim in the past, but they have recently gone out of business, so other software by Adobe or another provider will be used.

2) The sessions will run between 2 and 2 1/2 hours each. We'll go longer if needed, but I doubt it will go much longer than 2 hours. Since its a live seminar, it is difficult to time it to work over a wide range of time zones. If there is sufficient interest in places where there is a 12 hour time difference, I'll conduct sessions to accommodate Europe and/or Asia.

3) You don't need to have the Cobb ATR or PRO software to enroll, but it would probably be useful. All of the demonstration will be done with the PRO software and the live desktop will be full resolution, so you will get a good look at what is going on, even without having the software readily available.

SH*T - I am moving in the middle of this.

If I sign up and miss can I get recorded sessions?

I am gonna be incommunicado for 1 and 2.

It will be repeated again in June.
It won't be recorded.
Besides, you'll miss the whole Q&A section and all the interactive stuff.

very interesting

Cool - I'll wait until June then.

wee....!

Sounds like fun!

wow. you're such a bad guy.

only 295 spare dollars to go.

Is it 9pm EDT and 6pm PDT? It looks like you have the time zones swapped. Monday night football and stuff.

Is it 9pm EDT and 6pm PDT? It looks like you have the time zones swapped. Monday night football and stuff.

Yep. Typo. Fixed.
Thanks!

So basically, after taking these seminars, we will be moderatly proficent with the Cobb AP and our RX8...enough so that we could make our own maps?

So basically, after taking these seminars, we will be moderatly proficent with the Cobb AP and our RX8...enough so that we could make our own maps?

Well, I'll be explaining the whole process in depth.

What you will actually be "able" to do is up to your abilities.

I am going to sign up either way so this is not an attempt to talk you down off your price, but I cant do (and dont want) May 12th date. Can you do a PartII-PartIII package?

The package is already discounted when you sign up for the complete thing, so missing the first night probably isn't going to affect you one way or another.

Done. Look forward to it.

Jeff- Have you considered making a DVD of the tutorials for us to purchase?
Maybe after your webcast you can also include a FAQ that you gathered from the live webcasts for the DVD too?
Just a thought.

WOW, this sounds extremely interesting. What happens if for some reason I dont have internet access that night and miss the seminar can I be in it on the next one? Just want to know this before I pay for the seminar.

Also do you think after this seminar we would be able to do some tuning on our own?

Well I just signed up for the web seminar

Ill be ready to learn as much as I can from this :D

Thanks for the opportunity Jeff

save a spot for the Fluid "mystery tuner" ;)

save a spot for the Fluid "mystery tuner" ;)

Guest presenter!

Jeff- Have you considered making a DVD of the tutorials for us to purchase?
Maybe after your webcast you can also include a FAQ that you gathered from the live webcasts for the DVD too?
Just a thought.

I have thought about it.
However, I think much of what will make this WEBCast useful is the ability of the participants to ask questions and interact.
At least, I'm hoping that will be useful!

Cant wait for the seminar :D

Should be fun.

I still have some spaces open and I HIGHLY recommend it to AP owners - especially the ones that seem to be having difficulties with the calibration process.

Ugh... only if I had the AP.

Ugh... only if I had the AP.

buy one, problem solved. :)

You don't need the AP to do this!

This is for EVERYBODY that is interested in understanding how the PCM does what it does and how to tune it.

I'd be in but I got a little one cooking so I need to save the extra unsaved cash. I guess i'll have to stay well tuned to this section to learn what I need to from those who have taken the class. Maybe that DVD will come out ;)

I'd like to join, but the Game 6 of Detroit vs. Anaheim starts at 10 p.m. ET.

MM how many spots are left?

MM how many spots are left?

Five.

I'd like to join, but the Game 6 of Detroit vs. Anaheim starts at 10 p.m. ET.

it's called a DVR... :)

LOL - yeah I got one of those things...

it's called a DVR... :)

It's called a "STFU"! :lol2:

:boid:

Of all the emoticons......... THAT one is my flat-out favorite. :)

Lol. Priorities.

Well, fortunately for me, it is unlikely that anyone attending the seminar will be terribly effective in relaying all the information that I am providing, so you will just have to take it the next time around.
That is, if there is a next time around.

Still 5 spots available (which, considering how completely confused people are at just reading a single page of instructions on e-mailing datalogs, is simply dumbfounding).

too bad you can't "require" certain people to take this before you'll tune their car.

too bad you can't "require" certain people to take this before you'll tune your car.

I actually thought about that.

I might offer just the first day session the next time around to troublesome AP customers.
They probably still wont get it. Or, they will refuse the help.

you should have a compulsory entrance exam. "You must be (holds up hands) this smart to buy my product.":lol:

BTW I can't make this session since it's Seattle Beer Week and I'll be otherwise engaged.

But I would definitely be interested in the next session. I'd like to be able to pick up and tweak my maps beyond what you've done at the dyno session. I think I can make some useful fine tuning on the top end.

who is to say that he can't. MAybe Jeff needs a powerpoint interactive instructions link on his web page.

Once you complete the course you get a certificate and include that with your google checkout! :lol2:

Oh, wait, nevermind. If he does that I won;t get anymore tunes....

Maybe I am alone on this but I can't seem to figure out how anyone is a troublesome AP user. My maps by MM I guess are tuned so perfect that I have never had a problem with any map. In fact I still use V_01 with zero issues. Did I miss something here? Not get off topic but for a year now I can't see how peoples cars don't run right.

Maybe I am alone on this but I can't seem to figure out how anyone is a troublesome AP user. My maps by MM I guess are tuned so perfect that I have never had a problem with any map. In fact I still use V_01 with zero issues. Did I miss something here? Not get off topic but for a year now I can't see how peoples cars don't run right.

The problem is that there is a LARGE contingent of people that wont read/follow the instructions.
So, I get submissions with no logs, bad logs (car is cold, on its first drive cycle or they simply don't log the right thing), no base calibration attached, no answers the to the 11 questions and people that have cars with major mechanical issues - bad coils, vacuum leaks, collapsed MAF screens, botched intake installs, clogged CATs, incorrectly wired injectors and other major issues - who then immediately turn belligerent, threatening charge-backs or simply refusing to even read the e-mails I send to them explaining what they are doing wrong.

The problem is that there is a LARGE contingent of people that wont read/follow the instructions.
So, I get submissions with no logs, bad logs (car is cold, on its first drive cycle or they simply don't log the right thing), no base calibration attached, no answers the to the 11 questions and people that have cars with major mechanical issues - bad coils, vacuum leaks, collapsed MAF screens, botched intake installs, clogged CATs, incorrectly wired injectors and other major issues - who then immediately turn belligerent, threatening charge-backs or simply refusing to even read the e-mails I send to them explaining what they are doing wrong.
Ah. I see. Sorta like my job without all the technical BS.

I have never had problems with Jeff on the calibrations, maybe only on having to wait without updates but that has been fixed and I am a happy camper. I just want to learn how this all works and maybe even learn to tune my own car. Tuning is something that has always intrigued me so maybe this will shed some light on it all.

This will be interesting, count me in.

I just noticed that part 1 was last week, how'd it go?

I just noticed that part 1 was last week, how'd it go?

Went well!
Part one was an "introduction" to the basic software.
Part two (tomorrow) will be a lot more "dense" as we will be going over all of the functions of the Tuner software.
Part three (next week) is when all hell breaks loose.

Everyone that enrolled over the past few days, look for an e-mail tomorrow with the link to the seminar.

We switched to DimDim from Adobe because of the multiple video link + audio that it provides. The e-mail link will be active 15 minutes before the start of the actual seminar, so feel free to log in and get your workspace organized.

I understand everything now. GRAVITY AND THE STRONG FORCE ARE THE SAME THING!! COLD FUSION IS REAL!!!!



You guys dont know what you are missing. We arent even in the good stuff yet.

Yeah, next week is gonna be even more dense. Take your Advil preemptively.

any chance of a price for doing part 3 only ?

You wouldn't want to do that.
Part two was very accelerated.
Part three is going to be absolutely a whirlwind.

I'm not gonna review anything and you already missed a bunch of important "gotchas" in the software.

New dates posted for the second round:
Part One - Tuesday, June 16h 6:00pm PDT (9:00pm EDT)
Part Two - Tuesday, June 23rd 6:00pm PDT (9:00pm EDT)
Part Three A - Tuesday, June 30th 6:00pm PDT (9:00pm EDT)
Part Three B - Tuesday, July 7th 6:00pm PDT (9:00pm EDT)

There was so much to go over in the last session, that I've split into two (without increasing the cost).
I think all the sessions actually went over by quite a bit - part three was nearly (or more than, I don't remember) 3 hours.

If you are interested in participating, go to the first thread and follow the links.

Thanks to everyone that participated in the first round. There will be a test that is worth 1/3 of your grade - closed-book!

Just signed up for the new dates.
Can't wait!

Bump
Oooo this threads been quite....
MM did I send my payment in time to get a seat?

Bump
Oooo this threads been quite....
MM did I send my payment in time to get a seat?

Of course!
You will receive an e-mail the day of the first session with a link to the seminar page.
It becomes active about 30 minutes before we start so that you can get your workspace adjusted (sound, screen resolution, etc.).

there's no option for just part 2.

^^^alright!!!!!!

there's no option for just part 2.

Uh, no. Why would I do that (or, more importantly, why would you want that)?
You can take just part 1 by itself, but its just an intro for folks that are only looking to maximize their Calibration Service experience by getting an understanding of the basics of the software.

well, i want to see 2 and 3, but not 1. price is the same for those 2 as for all 3?

well, i want to see 2 and 3, but not 1. price is the same for those 2 as for all 3?

Of course.
I throw in part 1 when you take the full seminar.
You are kinda thinking of this backwards.
Why would I give you a discount for wanting to drop the introductory part?

If you feel you are past the first part, just skip it and show up for part 2.

as usual, i understand your reasoning but still feel slighted. lol.

as usual, i understand your reasoning but still feel slighted. lol.

Really? wow.

You feel slighted because I won't give you something for nothing? Typical.

Just sign up. Quite actively looking for faults. Parts 2 and 3 are more than worth the money. Hell, I think I have already forgot more than half of what MM taught. (or it flowed right out my other ear.)

You realize that knowledge gradients dictate the direction towards which the flow of said knowledge flows, right? Otherwize teh wouldn't exist. You want it? Pay for it. It has value beyond the monetary...if you know what to do with it.

Jebuzz...




Is there a part 3b tonight?

Is there a part 3b tonight?

Yes. E-mail will go out shortly.

Really? wow.

You feel slighted because I won't give you something for nothing? Typical.

reason and emotion are not connected. i can feel one way even though i know i shouldn't.

i was only kidding anyway.

reason and emotion are not connected. i can feel one way even though i know i shouldn't.

i was only kidding anyway.

That's cool. I was just picking on you because you had the guts to say what plenty of people seem to think, but only put out there in some "justified" manner.

That's cool. I was just picking on you because you had the guts to say what plenty of people seem to think, but only put out there in some "justified" manner.

What the fuck does that mean?


And where is my fucking turbo.:confused:


And why dont you just tell us all what we want to know, when we want to know it, for free, right now, dammit.

And what are all the interactions with the baro sensor with the pcm. What is sealevel pressure in the ATR when you are in standard units? (I actually cant restructure your explaination from my notes.)

Why lock all your maps when I want to go look in them and see what you did. Your are interrupting my persuit of happiness. Just start unlocking them or tell us how to hack them. Now. Yesterday.

Why dont you answer all my emails; immediately? I mean, dont you have a blackberry? Just start typing when you hear the "bing." With dence verbiage. And will all your secrets.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO CHARGE ME AS MUCH AS I PAY FOR COFFEE EVERY MONTH FOR A FULL DAY OF A WEBINAR THAT I DONT INTEND TO ATTEND? EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER TWO DAYS ARE EASILY WORTH THE COST?

FUck you and your willingness to do work I am not willing or capable of doing.

That's cool. I was just picking on you because you had the guts to say what plenty of people seem to think, but only put out there in some "justified" manner.

heh. i felt the love.:cuddle:

What the fuck does that mean?
...


I lol'ed mightily. Thanks for that.

So lets say I'm a complete noob when it comes to engine management programming and yet I have an AccessPORT. If I wanted to take your webinar would there be any reading you would recommend before particpating so I'm not completely and utterly lost the whole time? Also, will taking this webinar give me the basic tools I need to create a base tune from scratch for a turbo'd 8 and maybe a little idea of how to optimize the tune from logged data? Please, dont verbally (in writing whatever) kill me, I just dont want to sign up and waste my money because I dont have enough knowledge to know what you're saying or what questions to ask.

Hey! got cut off on that last story about the 500hp STI!! I didn't get the end of the story. I guess we ran out of time from the server.



I hardly think that this needs seminar series needs a review, but I will state a few points.

MM is an excellent and generous speaker. I have taught many classes and understand what it feels like after 2 or 3 hours of trying to get very complicated concepts across to folks. You just want to run, but MM continued and even came back for a supplementary session.

The Webinar session audio is very good (not excellent) with rare dropouts, no distortion and reasonable latency. The video display of the ATR maps was very good on a larger monitor and only a little squished on a small laptop. Two monitors is nice so as to take notes. The seminars started on time.

If you have the ATR software, take a look at it real quick. See all those tables. How many are there? 40? 50? MM covered EVERY ONE! Every one with detail. There are LOTS of details. If you dont have an aptitude for absorbing and using information correctly, maybe this is not for you. Otherwise, I can't overstate how information-rich this series was.

There are lots of current questions running around the forums. SOme of them rather sticky wickets. What to know what is going on? Sign up. Ask.

In summary, the web software was more than adequate, the speaker was clear and easy to listen to and can only be faulted as underestimating the time necessary for the presentation. A clear outline of exactly what is to be covered, and sticking rigorously to it, might have been beneficial, but also might have removed the fun spontaneity of the seminars. The volume of information was incredible but was as advertized. All tables of the ATR software were covered in detail. All in all, worth the price of admission. I will be looking for any advanced seminars that might come up.

Hey! got cut off on that last story about the 500hp STI!! I didn't get the end of the story. I guess we ran out of time from the server.

Yeah. Sorry about that. I got a notification, but since the desktop was minimized while the software was open, I didn't see it until we go cut off.

The result of that STi thing was it only ran 3 seconds faster, even though it was putting down 25% more power and was on slicks. Power isn't everything.



I hardly think that this needs seminar series needs a review, but I will state a few points.

MM is an excellent and generous speaker. I have taught many classes and understand what it feels like after 2 or 3 hours of trying to get very complicated concepts across to folks. You just want to run, but MM continued and even came back for a supplementary session.

Thanks for the kind and generous review. I hope you took away with you everything you had hoped.

Next seminar is in less than two weeks.

Sounds like it's going good. Hope I can get some basic info on this tuning stuff next week.

5 slots left.

With all the speculation and second-guessing out there with regards to the MAF, dwell adjustments and injector scaling, I might suggest that a few days spent with your tuning brethren online is time well spent.

I'm just sayin'!

Well, I had two people back out, so I'm going to postpone this and refund everyone that signed up.
It just isn't worth doing with such low turnout.

If you signed up, I'll process your refund tonight.
If you are interested, I will announce new dates in a week or two, pending interest.

Depending on the dates and what my work schedule looks like I am very interested. I'm looking forward to seeing the posted dates.

Well, I had two people back out, so I'm going to postpone this and refund everyone that signed up.
It just isn't worth doing with such low turnout.

If you signed up, I'll process your refund tonight.
If you are interested, I will announce new dates in a week or two, pending interest.
Fuck! This sucks, I was all stoked and ready to go.

I'm sitting here in Chesterton Indiana now with nothing to do.... what a pisser.

Oh and count me in for the next tentative online training schedule.

(free post!)

Sorry S. I was looking forward to it too.
Just not enough people to justify it right now.

Indiana? Eeew.

I was just going to do it over four Tuesdays again in July.
If anyone has a better schedule, let me know. I'd rather do it when it works for everyone. I'm pretty flexible.

Well - you could quit wee-weeing in my Cheerios and wait until I am done with 1st Class School (September); so I can play too.... pretty please.

Sorry S. I was looking forward to it too.
Just not enough people to justify it right now.

Indiana? Eeew.

I was just going to do it over four Tuesdays again in July.
If anyone has a better schedule, let me know. I'd rather do it when it works for everyone. I'm pretty flexible.

I understand.
July is good, I'll be working between San Fransisco and my home office plus a week of holidays.

So it works for me.

MM if you're going to try and reschedule that quickly don't bother refunding my money just yet, unless of course that method works better for your financial book keeping.

Sorry S. I was looking forward to it too.
Just not enough people to justify it right now.

Indiana? Eeew.

I was just going to do it over four Tuesdays again in July.
If anyone has a better schedule, let me know. I'd rather do it when it works for everyone. I'm pretty flexible.

I'm interested but I guess missed the first one. If I'm interested in July, should I sign up now, or wait until you update the dates? Thanks!

Fuck! This sucks, I was all stoked and ready to go.

I'm sitting here in Chesterton Indiana now with nothing to do.... what a pisser.

Ah ha! I grew up in Chesterton! Nothing much there to do sadly.

There's always the state park and the beach! Nothing like rolling down huge mountains of sand. :ylsuper:

Ah ha! I grew up in Chesterton! Nothing much there to do sadly.

There's always the state park and the beach! Nothing like rolling down huge mountains of sand. :ylsuper:
LOL
Yeah the Indiana Sand Dunes aren't that interesting after awhile

I am in if this ever comes back...

I'm gauging interest in this again.
If there are enough people that want this seminar, I will set dates for it.

Post up, PM or e-mail for serious inquiries.

Go get these guys.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=190445&page=2

If I can't make it to NY - then you should hook them up.

wow .... :)

wow .... :)

Are you trying to start smack for no reason.......?

*waves*

I'm in.

wow .... :)

lol :evil_laug

For those who are not aware... I have gotten HAMMERED at Jeff's place with my wife and son, and threw Ray into Jeff's pool. So we aren't exactly strangers.

My only bitch with Jeff is that he won't beta test my software - LOL. He is a kick ass guy, and a world class tuner.

...and threw Ray into Jeff's pool. So we aren't exactly strangers.


Actually as I recall you threw each other into the pool since you went in with him. :rollingla

Actually as I recall you threw each other into the pool since you went in with him. :rollingla

My flip flop fucked me.....:sad: :D:


And you haven't tested my software either....ass!

My flip flop fucked me.....:sad: :D:

Just admit the bald guy got one up on ya!

Just admit the bald guy got one up on ya!

Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time!

Are you trying to start smack for no reason.......?


Huh? :squint:

Guess I'm not as easy to read as a data table ... :wavey:

Huh? :squint:

Guess I'm not as easy to read as a data table ... :wavey:

This is true; once a nerd...

The wife just punches me in the face to get my attention.

I was equating your comment due to the my comment about NY tuning class with the post by Jeff.

We sound like HS girls... at least I do. LOL

This is true; once a nerd...

The wife just punches me in the face to get my attention.

I was equating your comment due to the my comment about NY tuning class with the post by Jeff.

We sound like HS girls... at least I do. LOL


As far as I'm aware we've never had a disagreement or cross word, ever

http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Win-Cookie_Cream.jpg

As far as I'm aware we've never had a disagreement or cross word, ever

http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Win-Cookie_Cream.jpg

You and me? Nope never.

I guess me watching iSpy made me jump to conclusions.

However, if you posted more than a single word it would help in the EQ department.

It was directed to the other nerd, he got it :lol:

I don't even know what is going on anymore. lol

Kane: The only reason I haven't tried your software before is that you were using some MS thing that my computers didn't like. Is that fixed?

MM
You know I am interested.
Put me on the list.
I just need a date.

Cost is a non issue

Seriously interested. I'm guessing the event this friday with Kane isn't going to happen. I've got some mod money, and have no problem modding my brain.



...maybe a blow off valve?

I don't even know what is going on anymore. lol

Kane: The only reason I haven't tried your software before is that you were using some MS thing that my computers didn't like. Is that fixed?

What version of MS Office you got? The standalone should be out soon.

Seriously interested. I'm guessing the event this friday with Kane isn't going to happen. I've got some mod money, and have no problem modding my brain.



...maybe a blow off valve?

Let's see - but as of now there won't be enough people to make it cost effective.

what version of ms office you got? The standalone should be out soon.

2007

Do you have Access? If so you issue is likely due to the trusted location thing for 2007...

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA100319991033.aspx

I'll download and try again.

Thanks man.

Call me if you get stuck on something.

Jeff: are your seminars geared towards people who already have a good grasp of tuning or are they suitable for someone who is just starting to look into this stuff?

Jeff: are your seminars geared towards people who already have a good grasp of tuning or are they suitable for someone who is just starting to look into this stuff?

Well, the curriculum is listed in the first post.
That said, it is really completely flexible and I run it more like a conversation than a lecture.
So, you can influence the content as it goes along.

well depending on dates I'm in. If you can have it on Tuesday nights of each week I can do it. I have classes until 12 each day except friday and I work everyday of the week except tuesday. That being said. Tuesday is my only time to do anything and I would love to learn a little something about this AP

I've decided to base the dates on a consensus of the people enrolled.
If you want to take the seminar, sign up for it. If I get enough people to do it, I will post possible schedules and the participants can decide on the actual dates and times.
If not enough people sign up, I'll just refund your money and that's that.

In the past, I've set dates and got 10 people for every one that signed up who just said "Too bad - I can't do it on xx/xx/xxx dates, I have to wash my dog" or whatever.

^lol ... i m def interested.... but i don't have an AP yet ... would you suggest that it is better for me to wait till I get an AP and play around with the software a bit?

^ Get the AP even if you dont attend the webinar the calibration service and the cobbs other functions are well worth it. Read up dont "play" with the software when the webinar comes up hop on board and learn about how your AP has been optimized by MM. You can probably even go through your log calibrations and be able to say "oh thats what he did from calibration to calibration" and have a better understanding why and how you have befitted.

I'm in for any new seminar

Well, if I can get enough people to sign up, I'll hold one with flexible times and dates to fit everyone's needs.


SIGN UP HERE (http://www.mazdamaniac.com/cobb/seminar/seminar.htm)

^ Just curious how many people have signed up and how many do you need? I would like to sign up but i would hate to sign up and wait 6+ months after paying because there isnt enough of an audience I believe i might be able to entice some people as well to sign up.

MM if you are looking for dates
I`m good for
April 1st to April 8th
April 17-18
April 24-25
May completely open at the moment

oh +1 post
And Thread revival - BUMP!

OH I also want to get you and Ray to sign my copy of Street Rotary.

It was great seeing you guys mentioned in the Acknowledgments.
You`re actually the first person mentioned.

^ Just curious how many people have signed up and how many do you need? I would like to sign up but i would hate to sign up and wait 6+ months after paying because there isnt enough of an audience I believe i might be able to entice some people as well to sign up.

bump for an answer please.

Hes in LA right now so he prolly wont respond for a couple more days.

Yeag i saw Socal dyno day i just reposted since i posted the original on the 19th lol. I get it though hes always busy...

Too bad mine is JDM and cobb don't really support the end user.

Too bad mine is JDM and cobb don't really support the end user.

Have you confirmed that ATR doesn't work on JDM versions? The PRO software does.

Bump

MM - I seem to have sometime on my hands and well I don't want to jinx anything I don't see another class session happening.

Any chances for personal mentoring?
We can discuss an additional charge ....

Any chance maybe I could use the amount already paid as a credit towards a MM turbo setup?

Or just a reimbursement?

Suggestions?

Bump

MM - I seem to have sometime on my hands and well I don't want to jinx anything I don't see another class session happening.

Any chances for personal mentoring?
We can discuss an additional charge ....

Any chance maybe I could use the amount already paid as a credit towards a MM turbo setup?

Or just a reimbursement?

Suggestions?

Any of the above is acceptable to me.

Since there just doesn't seem to be any interest in this anymore, we can just do it as a one-on-one.

I would be very interested in a ciriculum containing parts 2 and 3. I clearly missed this last year while busy on other things.

Wow my wife just taught me how to make Sour Cream Coffee Cake, I'm ready for anything now.

One on one mentoring sounds great to me.
I don't know how much prep time you will need or what your schedule is like.
For the next week my evenings are completely open, while my day time schedule is a lil bit up in the air but not really busy.

Understanding that there is a 3 hour time difference between Toronto Canada and Phoenix Arizona, what time is most suitable for you to do the training Jeff?

I'm just getting to the point where I'll need this. Probably in June or July. How many are signed up so far? If it can happen for just a few people, I'll register and pay.

Figure the best way to support this is to put up.

Jeff I'm enrolled for:

1 RX-8 AccessPORT Tuning WEBCast Seminar - FOUR DAY RX-8 AccessPORT Tuning Seminar COMPLETE - June 16th, 23rd, 30th & July 7th

I will not be attending 6/16 session as I have a business trip down in DC... besides if I follow correctly that's the 101 class anyway.

The 23rd, 30th, and 7/7 all work for me. Just need to work out time of day. I prefer evening... Eastern time zone here so we've got a bit of lag.

Why do I get the feeling these are 2009 dates? :) :) :)

They are the 2009 dates, but they are ALSO 2010 dates.

WCS - Are these dates good for you as well?

The time will be around 7pm EDT, but I'm flexible.

Well, to be completely honest ..... I don't know
I will find out more about my up coming schedule this week but honestly, I could be in the middle east in June, really.

This is why i suggested this coming week as I know I will be available.... yes my work is that crazy .....

Anyways fuck all that..... I understand the value of making this happen as a group and I will try my best to commit to those dates.

So YES it works for me, make it so number one.

Bump

-- Are we all set to go then?

Shelldude, yes?
MM, yes?

Yes !!!

SWEET!!

What's mine say?

Damn....Wed suck for me..work till 7 :( Next time :)

I doubt there will be a next time.

I doubt there will be a next time.

Ruh roh. OK, I'm in. Those dates and times work for me. Paid.

Since this may be your swan song, make it the best-ever, record it, and sell the DVDs indefinitely. :)

(And give me one gratis for thinking of a way for you to make more money with little additional work. :smoker: )

:( Darn

Actually, I'm working a deal as an SME at UTI.
Probably offer the same course material, but at wildly inflated prices (that I'll only see a fraction of if I'm lucky).

Actually, I'm working a deal as an SME at UTI.
Probably offer the same course material, but at wildly inflated prices (that I'll only see a fraction of if I'm lucky).

Everybody loses except UTI? What would be the point? :dunno:

SME? UTI? what are we talking about?

Make the dvds Jeff!

In my area of things, SME = Subject Matter Expert

They are the 2009 dates, but they are ALSO 2010 dates.

WCS - Are these dates good for you as well?

The time will be around 7pm EDT, but I'm flexible.

Stupid question? How do I enroll in these webinar? What is the cost? I'm looking into purchasing the Cobb Accessport but would like to learn a little more first...
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First post - follow the link.

Any of the above is acceptable to me.

Since there just doesn't seem to be any interest in this anymore, we can just do it as a one-on-one.

I would jump on it in a heart beat if I had my access port already...
I guess I'll hit you up once I get it.

Jeff: did you get the full 2007 office yet to try and run Kane's software?
I'm sending you a care package tomorrow and can include a full 2007 Office suite as well if you like.

anyone else want it on a different day.....I can't do Wednesday..

Or Jeff....you going to DVD it? Even in a raw format would be good

I will do any day of the week that everyone can agree on, as long as it's a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday!

If Shell, Wankelbolt and WCS are OK with a different day/time, its fine with me.

Also, I can move the time around quite a bit. On all three of those days, I'm good from 3pm until 9pm Arizona time, which is 6pm until midnight EDT. (11pm - 5am GMT)

Current time and dates work best for me right now.
So I would really rather not change anything

Wednesdays are fine. Tuesdays might be even better than Wednesdays. Thursdays are track-prep or travel days. Two road-races at NJMP and Hyperfest at Summit Point those weekends.

The 7-9 times work fine. 8-10 PM would be OK too.

Dates could be moved forward one to five weeks, but no more and not backwards.

Tuesdays 8PM EST ( 5pm PST) would be awesome..I can be home by then ........

I've already come to terms with missing the first session on account of being out of town that week.

Huh?

The time and dates are set.

Part of the problem I suspect with getting people to sign up, has been MM's flexibility in training dates. People go and sign up then someone comes along and says I'll sign up but I can't do those dates can we do these dates instead? While people that have already paid are like WTF?

Jeff should have always had fixed dates, these are the dates and that's that.
This is how every single training course I've ever taken does it. The worse case is they don't have enough people and they offer a rescheduled date or a rebate. Students decision.

I've never moved the dates around before.
It's just that the enrollment for this session is small enough to merit asking, at least.

The time and dates are set.

Part of the problem I suspect with getting people to sign up, has been MM's flexibility in training dates. People go and sign up then someone comes along and says I'll sign up but I can't do those dates can we do these dates instead? While people that have already paid are like WTF?

Jeff should have always had fixed dates, these are the dates and that's that.
This is how every single training course I've ever taken does it. The worse case is they don't have enough people and they offer a rescheduled date or a rebate. Students decision.


WOW.......you could have just said that Wednesday was the only time that works for you...... ;)

Instead of looking like a complete ass...........

Or are you just an ass?........

Now now. Being the ass is my job. I will not have my authority on the subject usurped.

Ya...Kane told me I was being a " grumpy old man" :(

Name calling .....
I should expect as much ..... ;)
well met

I can do 8:00 pm est if that lets you get home in time ... but I need Wednesdays

Honestly, Wednesdays are best for me as well.
Plus, WCS gets preference because he signed up first.
I think he paid during the last Ice Age, actually.

Have a good one...I Just got home about 20 min ago....so Wed won't work for me....

I will try and get Jeff to video or something....or set up a quick Q and A session......


I talked to you after I missed the last one last year...but money talks...and I didn't pay ;)

I am talking with UTI.

Failing that, I've always wanted to do a DVD of this stuff, but it is too overwhelming to present the material, collect the media and then produce/edit a package.
Maybe once I get caught-up with everything else...

Just record it and send me the raw data...I`m not picky :)

You can even leave in all the pictures...and the bad jokes if there are any ;)

I'll be running Adobe Captivate during the session, so everything will be recorded as it goes out.
Maybe I can edit that into something useful.

So much of the sessions are based on conversation - everyone gets different questions and looks for understanding in different ways, so after I outline a concept, a lot of how it gets detailed grows out of a dialog.
That's why it takes 4 2-hour sessions.
All of the other seminars ran WAAAAAAY over. There is a LOT to cover.

I'll be running Adobe Captivate during the session, so everything will be recorded as it goes out.
Maybe I can edit that into something useful.

So much of the sessions are based on conversation - everyone gets different questions and looks for understanding in different ways, so after I outline a concept, a lot of how it gets detailed grows out of a dialog.
That's why it takes 4 2-hour sessions.
All of the other seminars ran WAAAAAAY over. There is a LOT to cover.

It would be cool to make a subbed version for the non english speaking folks.. a bit pointless though since there's no ATR available for non USA ecus to my understanding.

My only concern with the video is it will, almost certainly, get pirated, quoted and YouToobed the second it goes out.
With such a small market, the profitability of such a venture would immediately go down the tubes.

People who pirate stuff wouldn't have bought it anyway. I think that's been demonstrated in more than one study (that the RIAA and MPAA do their best to suppress or refute through shill studies). Those who pirate it wouldn't pay you even if was only a dollar.

But even if that wasn't true, the production costs are very low if you just use your last seminar as the source material. The first two DVD-Rs sold for $50 (say) could cover your costs. Additional sales are gravy.

If you are going to continue seminars, don't do the DVD. If you are done with seminars, it's low-investment residual income.

i would be down to purchase a video for 50.00 I cant do seminar due to my work scheduling, id miss most of it :( where the video i can watch some now and later.

The video can only give so much as you said before Jeff, you have the benefit of asking questions where the video questions cant be asked, just more researching.

My only concern with the video is it will, almost certainly, get pirated, quoted and YouToobed the second it goes out.

Have you considered digital watermarking?
There are watermarks that aren't even visible (so its not blocking the view) and require the watermark software and a key just to see it.
Assign each purchase with a unique serial number so its traceable if it ever gets out.
Just a suggestion... I wouldn't mind purchasing a copy if ever available.

How about bundling your DVD instructional video with the Cobb AP for an extra amount or slap the cost of the dvd ontop of the $550 you already charge... people that want it will still buy it.
I would have bought one from you a long time ago if it came with detailed instructions on how to use the cobb and understand the calibration.
video's are much easier to understand than a wall of text 10 pages long and you can miss stuff in seminars, im sure you can correspond via emails for additional questions not covered in the video.
im in Australia and would love to get in on the seminars but the time diff is to great, a DVD would be perfect for me to study as i don't know much about tuning i can pause and google/rewind as i follow along on the dvd to help me better understand. I cant take 4 days off work to take your seminars.

How about bundling your DVD instructional video with the Cobb AP for an extra amount or slap the cost of the dvd ontop of the $550 you already charge... people that want it will still buy it.
I would have bought one from you a long time ago if it came with detailed instructions on how to use the cobb and understand the calibration.
video's are much easier to understand than a wall of text 10 pages long and you can miss stuff in seminars, im sure you can correspond via emails for additional questions not covered in the video.
im in Australia and would love to get in on the seminars but the time diff is to great, a DVD would be perfect for me to study as i don't know much about tuning i can pause and google/rewind as i follow along on the dvd to help me better understand. I cant take 4 days off work to take your seminars.


Well, the AccessPORT already does come with a video that explains the "wall of text" that are the instructions.
If you read the instructions, there is a link to the video!

You can't go into work late? The seminar would run from 9am - 11 am in Australia.

I'm interested as well not interested more like committed if you let me know whats necessary to finalize and when i expressed interest before but since it involved needing others to proceed i wouldnt just toss out my money and wait for another however many people to need to be present to get it rolling however it seems now there are alternate options. MM feel free to shoot me a pm with any details or proposed methods of tackling this. Now that I am FI i would really like to experiment with tuning and have a better grasp of what is going on and how different aspects effect each other.

I'm interested as well not interested more like committed if you let me know whats necessary to finalize and when i expressed interest before but since it involved needing others to proceed i wouldnt just toss out my money and wait for another however many people to need to be present to get it rolling however it seems now there are alternate options. MM feel free to shoot me a pm with any details or proposed methods of tackling this. Now that I am FI i would really like to experiment with tuning and have a better grasp of what is going on and how different aspects effect each other.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Dates and times are set.

Wednesdays, June 16,23,30 and July 7. 7pm EDT.

I posted about 2 months ago looking for an update and asked a couple questions regarding how many people are necessary to do the webinar because i didnt feel comfortable spending money and just waiting without knowing when we would have enough people or what enough people was i stopped paying attention to the thread when it looked like nobody was going to answer but it seems it has been resurrected this month and like you said there are finalized dates for this to happen i didnt bother to go back and read the two or 3 pages in between.

free bump and +1 post
Anymore takers? Times and dates are set!!!!

Wednesdays, June 16,23,30 and July 7. 7pm EDT

I've started on my list of questions...

I've started on my list of questions...

Question 1: Does the AP mask a cel?

Question 2: How do you adjust the dwell?

•sigh•

why does my obd reader see two ECUs?

Is one the AP?

What are the different PIDs between them?

So my AFR is flatlined at 9 WOT. Where do you start... Fuel tables?

Why does my 8 not always honor the desired Idle Rpm? I tell it 1k but it always drops to 750.

I got dwell... Turkey :)

•sigh•

why does my obd reader see two ECUs?

Is one the AP?

What are the different PIDs between them?

So my AFR is flatlined at 9 WOT. Where do you start... Fuel tables?

Why does my 8 not always honor the desired Idle Rpm? I tell it 1k but it always drops to 750.

I got dwell... Turkey :)

Wow. Uh, seriously?

Those aren't tuning questions. You've got something wrong there in the electrical department.
Flat 9:1 AFR?
The car wont run like that and the WBO2S won't report AFRs that low, anyway.

And you can't have two devices on the OBD-II connector at the same time - they'll interfere.

MM, correct me if wrong, but I read that if your AFRs are flatlined, your front(?) O2 sensor has failed, and it is just reporting the last known reading?

Question 1: Does the AP mask a cel?

Question 2: How do you adjust the dwell?

LOL
That's a burn

MM, correct me if wrong, but I read that if your AFRs are flatlined, your front(?) O2 sensor has failed, and it is just reporting the last known reading?

If the front WBO2S fails completely, the OBD will report 14.7 and go into open-loop.
If it "mostly" fails (which is what it usually does), it will get stuck at one end or the other of its range and continuously report that value.
The RX-8's PCM will only report between 11.2 and 20.2.

Ah. Thanks. Education is handy :)

My "actual" afr is fine... Sheesh... But before tuning it would dip down in the 9-10 range quite a bit... I want to know what all you did to get me in the 11/12s...

I've got an odb reader that tells me I've got two ECUs... Two distinct addresses.. One with 130-140 pids and the other with 40 or so. I'm not looking for a lesson on the infinite details of obd but would like to know why readers think I have two ecus....

Tough crowd today

Tough crowd today

I guess we'll get a better handle on what you are talking about in a few weeks because I still don't get what you are talking about.

Cant wait for this im all signed up....

Can someone repost the sign-up link please? Thanks

Also, MM, I am on the fence for this course because I do not yet have COBB, do you think that will be a large handicap for me?

Also are there some things that we should read before taking the course? Like this? http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=100333

^^^^ The link is in the first post

^thanks

okay ... I am def in, just one question (it may have been answered before). We will be able to view past, recorded sessions right? As in, Will I be able to see this session in say November or something?

^ i thought it was a one shot deal..... so pay attention take notes lol. Cant wait!

All Participants:

Watch your in-boxes for an invitation from DimDim over the weekend.
This will contain your WEB address for the seminar and your passkey.

Have they been sent out yet? I just want to make sure i dont miss mine I've been checking spam and my regular inbox.

Can't find anything from DimDim in my email either.

@RX8YA
I'm guessing they haven't been sent out yet and that its not lost in your intertubes spam box

Just signed up :) Can one of you guys hook me up with the installer for access tuner race?
I don't have a Cobb yet and I want to familiarize myself with the software for the seminar. Thanks

Can't find anything from DimDim in my email either.

@RX8YA
I'm guessing they haven't been sent out yet and that its not lost in your intertubes spam box

Thanks lol just want to make sure.

Just signed up :) Can one of you guys hook me up with the installer for access tuner race?

Here is the LINK (http://www.mazdamaniac.com/dl/MAZDA_Race_Setup.exe)I posted earlier.

DimDim e-Vites should have gone out this morning.
There are six attendees. Please confirm receipt.

I received mine!Kenneth Jackson

Got mine too. However it says 4:00 PM MST, which is going to be 6 PM Eastern. I thought we were starting at 7 PM Eastern?

reciept confirmed . thanks for the link

Got mine too. However it says 4:00 PM MST, which is going to be 6 PM Eastern. I thought we were starting at 7 PM Eastern?

I thought 4:00 MST AZ time is 7:00 3 hrs behind us on the east coast.

Wow. Good catch. The brilliant folks at DimDim apparently forgot that Arizona doesn't have Daylight Savings Time.

I'll go fix that and you will receive an "updated" invite.

Now it says "11:00 WET". What the heck is that? UTC? That would be correct if it is...

Isn't "DimDim" another way of saying "StupidStupid"? ;)

Their Light is Dim.

Dumb dumb....

Yeah, well, "DumbDumb" monikers notwithstanding, the service itself is pretty cool.

It set the meeting to GMT, so you do the math.

I was commenting on isnt dim dim a way to say stupid i know it as dumb dumb.......the service is great and alot less pricey then others like citrix go to meeting. I use dim dim here at my office to demo all our our ecommerce websites to customers.

Receipt confirmed...
But who the hell is MazdaManiac and why does he want me to join his DimDim porno?

^lol

Confirmed, Jeff... But I'll likely be missing the first session. Will try to join in but have every intention to be boozing it up tomorrow night instead.

Everyone should take a look at the DimDim site and make sure that you have everything you need to participate installed on your computer.
The requirements aren't too heavy, but you might need a newer version of Flash or something like that and it's better to find out now instead of at kick-off.

Hello is anybody home?

Got a 10:45 WET invite.. Outlook tells me that is 645pm EST

Anyone?

^That's what I got too ... it should be ... now
This is what I am getting when I click on the link in the email .... " mazdamaniac has no active or scheduled Dimdim session"

Its telling me my email address is not authorized to join....?

Are people in?

ANYONE...ANYONE who is even remotely contemplating or just browsing and sees this thread i would highly recommend you sign up for the next go around even after the first session i have learned and been able to identify many aspects of the race tuner software i previously had no knowledge of. I say before thinking about your next mod unless its the cobb ap join this seminar learn the theory of properly maximizing your stock setup and the theory behind maximizing output for your later mods not to mention possibly increasing engine longevity.

^+1

ANYONE...ANYONE who is even remotely contemplating or just browsing and sees this thread i would highly recommend you sign up for the next go around even after the first session i have learned and been able to identify many aspects of the race tuner software i previously had no knowledge of. I say before thinking about your next mod unless its the cobb ap join this seminar learn the theory of properly maximizing your stock setup and the theory behind maximizing output for your later mods not to mention possibly increasing engine longevity.

Awesome!

I got a question ... MM mentioned that changing tires or rear diff with throw off the selection of the different AF tables. Where is the speed sensor located.? Also, how would larger or smaller sized wheels and tires make this happen. It is true that the car speed reported will not be accurate with what is really happening in the real world, but wouldn't all the ratios still stay the same as the entire car will simply "think" it is going faster or slower if your tire size is wrong.... I don't see how the selection of the gear by gear fuel tables would be affected by mismatched rim+ tire size ... please explain?
Thanks

PS: check this out http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=909118

The ECU uses the speed sensors and engine rpm to figure out which gear the car is in...changing the parameters too much will change the table the ECU uses to pick from :)

Can't see it as a big problem though.....

I am going to be 10 - 15 mins late this weds cause of another class

I should have my AP by mid July so I can get my BP engine in the car. Will you be having another round in July? Sucks that I missed this round, but I had to buy new motor mounts and a clutch.

Holy crap does this seminar rock! Pages and pages of notes. Just starting to scratch the surface of tuning, and it's complex and very powerful. Great that we have an ECU that's powerful enough to do it, great that Cobb broke it, great that MM is willing to teach us how to use it!

I'm only halfway through and I think this seminar is absolutely worth it. You guys thinking about tuning your stuff, get together and put up the money to convince MM to do another, you won't regret it.

Now I just need to figure out why I don't have the right size reducer for the MM turbo...

^^^I'm stoked too
Going to be doing some data logging this morning with the AP ....
However I'm curious that if I would be better served to use my laptop and the ATR software.

Opinions?

^^^I'm stoked too
Going to be doing some data logging this morning with the AP ....
However I'm curious that if I would be better served to use my laptop and the ATR software.
Opinions?

Just did some datalogging myself. I just used the AP. Fun to watch the LTFT and STFT and know what they mean! Easy to use STFT to see when it goes into open loop. Funny how those logs we were looking at last night you could tell submitters hadn't followed directions (RPM too low), but still got open loop. Definitely takes a couple of seconds above 4200 (about 4500 indicated) and steady load to kick out of closed loop.

Without an external WBO2, I don't see much benefit to the laptop. Records the same data.

If somebody else was driving, it can be useful to use ATR and watch the tables to see exactly where it is on the maps under different conditions. But if you are driving better to keep your eyes on the idiots surrounding you.

On the note about MM Clients not logging at a high enough rpm.
I'm just reviewing my logs for the 4500 rpm cruise.

I KNOW this morning the RPM gauge was reading 4500 rpm - 5000 rpm ....
And I've got a shit tonne of rpm readings below 4500 rpm ..... I'm guessing its the vehicle rpm gauge and not the AP.
Where I'm going with this is users may well think they are in the + 4500 rpm range but they aren't due to the RPM Gauge accuracy.

Thoughts?

^^^ Ok forget that, I was looking at the wrong log file.

Still .... how accurate is the RPM Gauge?

The stock tach reads 300 - 500 RPM below reality.

Where I'm going with this is users may well think they are in the + 4500 rpm range but they aren't due to the RPM Gauge accuracy.

Thoughts?

That is precisely why the instructions MM gives for datalogging with his tuning service say to look at the RPM on the AP, and not on the cars tachometer. Those were the instructions they might not have been following. :)

They have started to ignore the "instructions instructions" as well... :wallbash:

Time for the instructions instructions seminar seminar you were discussing before... :Freak_ani

^^^^ LOL
I've owned my AP for sooo long I've not gone back to see the instructions or the instruction instructions.
Honestly (really) its almost too dumb'd down. Over simplification in itself can cause complexities ....
but wow what a write up.

As per our last web session I've been doing some MAF calibrations.
I've stayed off the juice to avoid messing up my LTFT, however this got me thinking.

1) When I hit the juice, I'm in open loop. This impacts the HEGO readings. However in Open Loop STFT is always 0% (unless you're Cobb then its -0.16 lol). Therefore no amount of juice should impact my LTFT as long as I remain in open loop, yes?

Yes

Awesome, Thanks Kane

Running out to the garage now to heat my bottle on the BBQ!
w00t

OK, yet another outstanding session. Only one more left! :tear: I think I'll need another 4 sessions.

I'm pretty much convinced to meet my target date of a complete FI tune by August 25 I'm going to get the tuning service from The Professional (MM, of course) and build from there. Means I need to get the turbo in in probably by mid July or earlier. EEK!

I'm going to try to find some program that can scroll the data logs like a tape. Using a blowed-up chart in OpenOffice.org works but is not convenient. (No better in excel, btw.) Maybe a macro that changes the chart's row ranges on-the-fly. I'll check on MegaSquirt's log viewing tools.

I can't believe how much information I've been able to learn from these webinars.
Absolute must for any backyard mechanic wanting to do things on his own.

I've been compiling notes on the training in order to post a full review ....

I'm going to try to find some program that can scroll the data logs like a tape. Using a blowed-up chart in OpenOffice.org works but is not convenient. (No better in excel, btw.) Maybe a macro that changes the chart's row ranges on-the-fly. I'll check on MegaSquirt's log viewing tools.

OK, that was easy:
http://www.ideasandsolutions.biz/MegaLogViewer/

Says it can view any CSV file. Too late to try it tonight... :Drooling_

Edit: OK so I lied. It works with AP logs. You have to edit the title of the first column in the CSV to be "Time", then it works. Very cool.

^^^^ Nice find...
Thanks for the info!

Nice Bill thanks. I cant get the ya ya ya ya aya aya ya ya Boom out of my head wtf lol.

Yeah, I think it will be very handy. I think a bit more tweaking to the AP's CSV files will line things up better and maybe even make it possible to use some calculated fields like HP and TQ. It even allows custom calculated fields.

Maybe get a thread started here or on Cobb's forums about using it. I'd like Cobb to be aware what their customers are doing to work-around the lack of a graphical log viewer. They might think it's cool and help us use it better. Saves them the trouble and might help them sell more APs.

^+1 to everybody

Playing with it now.
I haven't decided if it is worth $25 yet.

Paying is optional. It's just nagware.

Since it's not really designed to be used with our logs and has some flaws like tiny "gauges" and weird x-axis behavior (could be PEBKAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_error)), I'm leaning towards living with the nags. If I find I can make some tweaks and really get some good use out of it, I'll certainly pay. If we approach the maker and ask for tweaks to make it more useful for us and they comply, I'll absolutely pay.

^ Agreed.

Hey Jeff what was the name of the OBDII scanner you were talking about from the guy in AZ?

The two names that come to mind are "Autotap (http://www.autotap.com/)" and "Autoenginuity (http://www.autoenginuity.com/)".

Irritating that we can't see the LTFT tables directly. Would save a lot of tooling around wasting gas...

Hey Jeff, had a chance to look for that pipe yet? (Impatient, sorry.)

More software. This looks interesting: http://www.scantool.net/obdwiz/

It can graph logs. Not sure if it can load other logs and play them back yet.

Might find it's way into my carPC regardless.

And so apparently there are ways to read the the LTFT and many other Mazda-specific tables in the ECU, it just takes a different OBD-II interface and about $160 in software...

http://www.palmerperformance.com/support/supported_vehicles/mazda_enhanced.php

Linked from:
http://www.scantool.net/software/scanxl-mazda-enhanced-diagnostics-add-on.html