OK i was checking out newtiburon.com forums and in the racing section theres speculation over which car would win in a race...the tiburon GT 6 speed or the RX8 6 speed...i used to own an 03 tiburon (which i traded for my rx8 :D ) and to tell ya the truth it was a quick little car but not even close to my RX8...EVERYONE on the tiburon forums seems to believe the RX8 is slow and the tiburon would beat it...what do you guys think?

Yeah, the rumor is out there that the RX-8 is "slow" which non-8 owners are finding out the hard way isn't true when they challenge one. :D

At any rate, the '8 would win.

I know i try to explain to the ppl on newtiburon that i would know personally which car is faster since i've owned them both but apparently they dont believe me:p

The only way to prove it is to lay down a little dragstrip or autocross smackdown on their butts. :)

But I have no doubt the 8 is quicker.

The day my 8 arrived, I took it out on the highway. Low and behold a yellow Tuscani pulls up beside me and tried to drag me... Sadly I didn't take the bait for the sake of the break-in period. I wouldn't count out the tiburon because when Car & Driver tested it on the track, it posted the same time as a Porsche Boxster.

Aa the saying goes...

"you can't polish a turd Bevis!!":p

I have been having the same fight with the guys at Powerwheelchair.com, of course, since they are all senile I am not making any headway......

Keep in mind a V6 will always SEEM faster because of the torque.

isn't the tiburon FWD and...a stupid car?

Well I have both. My wife has a tiburon. It is kinda quick but nowhere near 8 status. I let me friend drive the tib and was in my 8 (he drags so he can drive) and well it was a no contest. As far as it being "a stupid car" that was probily the stupidest comment ever. So there is your answer.

I think what horde meant is that the Tiburon is a car that stupid people buy.

How can you even compare a Tiburon and an RX-8? Why not compare a Hyundai Accent with the RX?? How about a Geo Metro? BTW, if you're taller than 5'8", don't even think about sitting in the Tiburon...

i guess i just don't consider the tiburon a sports car or anything that would normally be in the same class as the RX-8, i mean it's a hyundai...i don't think most people around take a second glance at them.

Most people don't, but most people don't take a look at an Accord V6 240HP when considering a car either..

Originally posted by elmalloc
Most people don't, but most people don't take a look at an Accord V6 240HP when considering a car either..
If anyone's proof of that, I am. Wasn't even aware that the Accord was available with that many ponies, but then again I'm not the least bit interested in it. Every other car on the road seems to be an Accord or some other vanilla equivalent.

....say I have a Metro...


..okay, I let my nephew drive it to my work.

It gets him from point A to point B.

Tiberon's do that too.

My kid wants a Honda 80cc motorbike. It's like six times the value of a used Metro. It can only be driven off road (is this making any sense?).

...in other words: Driving the RX-8 is spiritual, compared to many cars.

I can't wait to drop a 13b into the Metro to create the ultimate sleeper....

...oh yeah, it has to have flames on the sides too. I'd better save up for the new paint job.

I think the Tiburon is a nice looking car with fairly nice performance, it turns my head whenever I see one because I think Hyundai did a hell of a job with designing the shell. Hyundai has also stepped up their reliability and it's a pretty good pakage for the price. Seems like the comparison isn't so far off as many of you would like to think. Sure the RX-8 is a nicer car, but I think similar shoppers would look at both cars with the main factor being which one can you afford. Keep in mind the Tiburon GT in 1/4 mi. acceleration is probably closer to the RX-8 than the RX-8 is to the G35 and 350Z. Yet when you bring up how the Z or G35 is faster on this site everyone likes to think the RX-8 is close in acceleration, but when we talk about a Tib suddenly the RX-8 is a rocketship and the Tib is slow...

Does anyone even have to give a second thought? Granted, the new tiburons look a lot better, and are a lot better than the older styles. I test drove one while looking for a car for my cousin a while back, and dayam... that thing drove like the 1986 Doge Prospector (conversion van) we had before it died in 1999 (it was old). But like I said, that was the older one. If you buy a Tiburon and like it, more power to you, cheap, and sporty enough.

Sure its a fast little car... but will it last longer than 3 months? I had a friend who went through 3 tiburons in 9 months. I can only hope they improved quality, after the 2nd lemon and problems with the 3rd tiburon my friend moved to a nissan (not a 350z, because he didnt want to shell out the cash).

I think it would be close with the new model, straight drag type race, probably come down to the driver, all things equal an 8 should win. Throw some curves into the course and naturally the 8 would spank that korean waiting to implode pile of aluminum into the ground.

Originally posted by Lufa
Sure its a fast little car... but will it last longer than 3 months? I had a friend who went through 3 tiburons in 9 months. I can only hope they improved quality, after the 2nd lemon and problems with the 3rd tiburon my friend moved to a nissan (not a 350z, because he didnt want to shell out the cash).

I think it would be close with the new model, straight drag type race, probably come down to the driver, all things equal an 8 should win. Throw some curves into the course and naturally the 8 would spank that korean waiting to implode pile of aluminum into the ground.

Hyundai in last years Consumer Reports ratings ranked equal with Honda and slightly behind Toyota in reliability. Not sure what year your friends Tib was but Hyundai seems to be making more reliable cars with each passing year.

man some of you really need to get out more. If the Tiburon was so unrealable why would they offer a 10 year warrenty. They even warrenty the paint for 5 years against fading or chipping. That is a hella lot more than the mazda offers now isn't it? I have had not one issue with the tiburon. The 8 is an awsome car and I chose it over the STi, Evo, and 350z but come on now it isn't the greatest machine out there. And when it is close to the 8 performace wise why are you so quick to knock it? No wonder why so many other people visiting the board get so mad and flame. Most of you have no idea what you are talking about, nor have your facts straight.

Ok, the Tiburon is drastically better than it's predecessor in every way. My relative owns a 2003 and I have spent a considerable amount of time behind the wheel....... in fact my 8 is parked right next to this Tiburon as I type.

At one point I was deciding between a Tiburon and a Sentra SE-R Spec V. I chose the Sentra and IT was better than the Tiburon in every way. I am SO glad I did not buy the Hyundai. I'm not knocking Hyundai. I like many of their cars.

The Tiburon may be improved, but it still is way behind the 8 in terms of driving dynamics, ergonomics, quality and general driver comfort. It is insulting to me to even mention the two cars in the same sentence.

Ike, the 8 has simliar 1/4 times to the G35
drove a 2003 G35 C today (shopping with a friend that owns one), and I'll tell yah, there is not alot of difference in accel. The power seems to pick up in the G35 when you shift to second? Just my observation. But a race between the two would be close.

I tested a tib and I will say it's a surprisingly quick nice little car. The problem is the little part. I was almost as cramped in it as a Miata and that put it out of mroe serious testing. But for a relatively cheap V6, it's not bad at all, and I think has much better looks than the everyplace cars like corollas, accords or camry's

Originally posted by Broker73
Ike, the 8 has simliar 1/4 times to the G35
drove a 2003 G35 C today (shopping with a friend that owns one), and I'll tell yah, there is not alot of difference in accel. The power seems to pick up in the G35 when you shift to second? Just my observation. But a race between the two would be close.

Considering high 14s seem to be the most common time for the RX-8, Mid 15s for the Tib, low 14s for the G35 and Z the difference is about the same if not more lopsided when comparing the G35/Z to the RX-8.

Road & Track has the G35 0-60 in 6.1 seconds compared to 5.9 for the RX8 (with the famous drop clutch) and 1/4 mile in 14.6 compared to the RX8's 14.5. Other magazines have them side by side.

Not only does IkeWRX like to have opinions, his opinions are consistently premature (reading more rather than sipping more wine would help here) and narrow (he has a penchant for straight-line speed at the neglect of other conditions and factors).

Dumb is dumb but dumb doesn't know it.

They are verywrong. Those guys must havebeen talking about the automatic Rx8. Tiburon V6 stick vs Rx8 automatic would be close buttheres a good chance the Tiburon would win. But the stick Rx8 weighs less than the V6 Tiburon and has much more horsepower. The Rx8 in stick wouldsmoke that V6 Tiburon.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Road & Track has the G35 0-60 in 6.1 seconds compared to 5.9 for the RX8 (with the famous drop clutch) and 1/4 mile in 14.6 compared to the RX8's 14.5. Other magazines have them side by side.

Not only does IkeWRX like to have opinions, his opinions are consistently premature (reading more rather than sipping more wine would help here) and narrow (he has a penchant for straight-line speed at the neglect of other conditions and factors).

Dumb is dumb but dumb doesn't know it.


Save for that is a pre production RX-8 and probably not a G35 coupe and maybe even an auto (pure speculation). C&D (a real car magazine) managed a 14.1 with the G35, compared to the 14.5 PRE PRODUCTION RX-8. You have a penchant for talking about speed and racing when you have probably never been on a track of any type in your life. This thread was about straight line acceleration, so I was simply staying on topic. I've been racing on road courses since I was 12.

Yeah, Ike, like are you going to start telling me that Santa Clause doesn't exist now? :)

Are we really serious here though? R&T gives the Tiburon 0-60 mph in 7.6, 1/4 mile in 15.9 sec, .78g lateral compared to 5.9, 14.5, and .88 in the rx-8. Is there much of a debate possible?

Look, I was never claiming the RX-8 wasn't faster. Just saying the difference between the Tib and the RX-8 isn't a whole lot different from the difference between the RX-8 and the Z. It was mainly a reaction to all the bashing for the Tib which is a decent bang for the buck car. You guys also need to stop reading R&T, it's pretty common for stock Tibs to run mid 15s.

Hey, I can definitely appreciate the bang for the buck factor. I wouldn't knock any car just because of the price. You have to understand people reacting like that when someone compares their $30k sports car to a <$20k car. Anyways, Hyundai's stock is quickly rising, especially with a 10year warranty. My parents just bought a Santa Fe, and it's a pretty good vehicle (although I hate suv's).

I like them R&T because they give a whole wealth of test data, like a whole range of accel data, braking, fuel economy, interior noise, handling.... Plus, they have all the data in pdf files online. I don't even read R&T, I just look up stats on their webpage to argue with certain non-rx8 owners that seem to hang around on this board (not naming names or anything ;) )

Originally posted by rabinabo
Hey, I can definitely appreciate the bang for the buck factor. I wouldn't knock any car just because of the price. You have to understand people reacting like that when someone compares their $30k sports car to a <$20k car. Anyways, Hyundai's stock is quickly rising, especially with a 10year warranty. My parents just bought a Santa Fe, and it's a pretty good vehicle (although I hate suv's).

I like them R&T because they give a whole wealth of test data, like a whole range of accel data, braking, fuel economy, interior noise, handling.... Plus, they have all the data in pdf files online. I don't even read R&T, I just look up stats on their webpage to argue with certain non-rx8 owners that seem to hang around on this board (not naming names or anything ;) )


Well start using C&D to argue with me because R&Ts test times are wacky and inconsitent :p

Is there some page that's more reliable? Or at least posts the results from every magazine?

I'm not sure if C&D has a section with test results or not, I subscribe so I don't visit their site much. There is a site that posts results from all cars that have been tested for the last 50 years or so from Motortrend but they seem to have some of the same problems R&T does.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Save for that is a pre production RX-8 and probably not a G35 coupe and maybe even an auto (pure speculation). C&D (a real car magazine) managed a 14.1 with the G35, compared to the 14.5 PRE PRODUCTION RX-8. You have a penchant for talking about speed and racing when you have probably never been on a track of any type in your life. This thread was about straight line acceleration, so I was simply staying on topic. I've been racing on road courses since I was 12.

The person who started this thread said racing. He said nothing about ONLY straight-line speed.

Pure speculation is what you are all about.

Your mind works at the 12-year-old level, that's for sure.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Considering high 14s seem to be the most common time for the RX-8, Mid 15s for the Tib, low 14s for the G35 and Z the difference is about the same if not more lopsided when comparing the G35/Z to the RX-8.

Here you make one assertion. Then, in your response to Rabinabo, you back-track.

You are pathetic and full of bravado, fish guy.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Here you make one assertion. Then, in your response to Rabinabo, you back-track.

You are pathetic and full of bravado, fish guy.


What happened to eunuch, 12 year old, troll, and gay? Or even some random insult because I work in the wine industry, now it's fish guy? I just can't keep up with your petty insults...


Edit: Just for you O great spellchecker!

For your information, Rabinabo has a Ph.D. in mathematics. He is into numbers, tables, graphs.

IkeWRX, you are into fish and wine. I rest my case.

Petty, not pety.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
What happened to eunuch, 12 year old, troll, and gay? Or even some random insult because I work in the wine industry, now it's fish guy? I just can't keep up with your pety insults...

You are all of those, a "man" of many trades and disguises.

If you can not keep up with all the insults, then how were you able to list them all down? hmm.

IkeWRX just can't win.

The tibrun is in a totally different class. The one with the SE-R, Toyota Celica, Focus SVT and The Mazda Speed protege. When they did a comparison test between those car in CAR and DRIVER, it came in last place. It can't even win in its own class let alone tried to compet with the RX8. Come on now people. The tribun does 0-60 in 7.5 second and the 1/4 mile in the high 15s.

Originally posted by rabinabo
Hey, I can definitely appreciate the bang the buck factor.

Rabinabo, if only you knew how much IkeWRX can relate to that statement.

Originally posted by zoomzooomp5
The tibrun is in a totally different class. The one with the SE-R, Toyota Celica, Focus SVT and The Mazda Speed protege. When they did a comparison test between those car in CAR and DRIVER, it came in last place. It can't even win in its own class let alone tried to compet with the RX8. Come on now people. The tribun does 0-60 in 7.5 second and the 1/4 mile in the high 15s.

Actually second to last place and it ran 7.1 and 15.6. The original poster is talking about a kills section on a board so there's no twisties involved, just straightline acceleration for the most part.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Rabinabo, if only you knew how much IkeWRX can relate to that statement.


Ahhh more insults, keep em coming! God forbid you have to engage in a fallacy free agrgument.

Originally posted by rabinabo
Hey, I can definitely appreciate the bang the buck factor.

Rabinabo, if only you knew how much IkeWRX can relate to that statement.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Rabinabo, if only you knew how much IkeWRX can relate to that statement.

Very original, posting the same thing twice. Maybe you should revert back to fish boy or eunuch.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Ahhh more insults, keep em coming! God forbid you have to engage in a fallacy free agrgument.

You still have not responded to my post pointing out to YOU that the originator of this thread does not focus only on straight-line acceleration.

I wonder why you're ignoring that post.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
You still have not responded to my post pointing out to YOU that the originator of this thread does not focus only on straight-line acceleration.

I wonder why you're ignoring that post.

Because if you had any clue the originator of this post was talking about a kills forum (I.E. street racing) which very very rarely involves turns and basicly involves only talk of drag racing on the streets.

Ike you drive a WRX so you get +2 cool points. But you're gay so you lose 4 cool points. You also troll this board way too much and lose an additional 4 cool points. You play with fish and drink bitch brew for a living, another -4 cool points. That puts you at -10.

-10= Not cool, go away. :D

Originally posted by LightEmUp
Ike you drive a WRX so you get +2 cool points. But you're gay so you lose 4 cool points. You also troll this board way too much and lose an additional 4 cool points. You play with fish and drink bitch brew for a living, another -4 cool points. That puts you at -10.

-10= Not cool, go away. :D


Don't you have a militia meeting to get up for in the morning? Oh, and say hello to your cousin/sister for me.

IkeWRX. I've reviewed the original post that started this thread and I've looked over the newtiburon site.

And again, your biases against the RX8 are clear. In your first post, why didn't you instead point out that autox should also be considered? You are clearly biased against the RX8. THAT is why you maintained focus on straight-line acceleration (which you often do), not because you wanted to stay within the originator's "boundaries." You continue to make adhoc adjustments but you can't even lie well.

You assume that RX8 owners would gloat over being faster than the Tiburon, that RX8 owners are contradictory in that they unconsciously maximize the RX8's advantages over other cars and minimize its disadvantages. But in all the threads on this forum, how many times have you even seen the word "Tiburon" mentioned? The Tiburon isn't even on the minds of the vast, vast majority of RX8 owners. We're thinking more about the 350Z, G35, and 3-Series.

IkeWRX loses again.

I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.

Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.

In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.

I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.

People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.

The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.

So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.

I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).

I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.

Jdwk, you're all mixed up.

You need to understand the development and progression of this thread from beginning to end.

The other troll, IkeWRX, fabricates some supposed connection between the Tiburon-RX8 debate and an unconscious bias in the brains of RX8 lovers. This is his premise, which he does not adequately support.

First, all human brains show a GENERAL bias of this kind (maximizing positives, minimizing negatives). It is not limited to RX8 owners. Second, this kind of psychological phenomenon happens when there is a true perceived threat, when the psychological distance between two competing constructs is too close. The thread on newtiburon.com specifically mentions the automatic RX8. Also RX8 owners simply do not worry on a daily basis about the Tiburon (when they have second thoughts about purchasing the RX8, they do not say: "Damn, I should have bought the Tiburon." So where is the perceived threat? No one here is unconsciously too concerned about the RX8-Tiburon comparison...except of course, IkeWRX (and that is a fact).

Yes, quite an intricate machination out of IkeWRX's noggin. But no match for my noggin.

As for jdwk, I don't even know what the hell you're doing here. You're going off on your own ego trip. I've heard you rant and rave about some day you can't wait for. LOL. Well, I can't wait for the day you finally put your lazy, dumb ass through junior college. Have your parents thank me for that one.

jdwk - Still doesnt explain how our Uk spec lower powered RX-8's got the same time rounds top gears test track as an M3 and a 350z (1-31.8) and the 3.2v6 AudiTT for comparison got 1-32.7.

Dyno runs do not make a car, 1/4mile does not make a car, (sports)cars need to go quick, but laso go round corners and stop quick too.

Originally posted by LightEmUp
Ike you drive a WRX so you get +2 cool points. But you're gay so you lose 4 cool points. You also troll this board way too much and lose an additional 4 cool points. You play with fish and drink bitch brew for a living, another -4 cool points. That puts you at -10.

-10= Not cool, go away. :D

Nice AL. That made me laugh.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Because if you had any clue the originator of this post was talking about a kills forum (I.E. street racing) which very very rarely involves turns and basicly involves only talk of drag racing on the streets.

Why do you continue writing checks that your ass can't cash?

All of you, quit it with the insults. This petty bickering is really getting old.

Originally posted by rabinabo
My parents just bought a Santa Fe, and it's a pretty good vehicle (although I hate suv's).
My wife has a 2002 Santa Fe. When she was shopping for an SUV, I recommended it to her based on her/our needs and its styling. I thought it was a great vehicle, too. After 2 years with it, I now think it is a piece of shit. I apologize up front for my language - I never use it in my posts, but I'm letting it slide this one time. We have had problems with the air conditioning almost since we first got the car. After cooling down the cabin, the air would stop blowing through the ducts. You could hear the fan blasting, but no air would come out. You have to turn off the A/C, and once it warms up, the vents would start working again - briefly. We've had it to the dealer twice so far to get it fixed (we are VERY busy people and can't afford to sit hours at a dealership every week). The 2nd time was right before a big road trip from FL to CA in July. The A/C stopped working again in the middle of that trip. Now the fan has stopped working altogether. It made some really loud noise when turned on with no air movement (this is without the A/C now). Now that the fan doesn't work, my wife has no heat in her car. And it's NW Florida, so yes it is actually cold here (in case someone wants to say something stupid about the climate in FL). If I could rewind the clock when the dealer was trying to compare the Santa Fe with similiar offerings by BMW and other luxury marques, I think I would puke all over the interior of this POS vehicle.

Edit: But that's just my experience with THIS vehicle. It wouldn't be fair of me to apply judgement to the company as a whole, though I can assure you I would never again buy a Hyundai anything. Oh yeah, the 1st time my wife brought the car in, the service people told my wife that she just didn't know how to use A/C. Great service, too.

I just say no to any comparison betweent the two because there isnt any.

Sorry for hijacking your thread. I don't know what's with all the rave about that 10 year warranty anyway. My friend sold his trouble-free, mid 80's Nissan Sentra for a 2002 Hyundai Elantra and he had nothing but trouble ever since then. Not to mention the person he sold his sentra to, is now "laughing all the way to the bank" sort of speak. On top of that, I know another friend who bought a Kia (owned by Hyundai) last year and started to fall apart 3 months after ownership... I don't care how much you praise about Hyundai or Kia's warranty but if it falls apart that soon, it doesn't really matter how many years warranty it has.

I have to agree with B-Nez's last statement

Klegg, great comment on page one.

I should have stopped reading this thread after that, though.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Don't you have a militia meeting to get up for in the morning? Oh, and say hello to your cousin/sister for me.

Yes yes, that is correct. I am a member of the Michigan Militia, you idiot. Wow, is that the best you could come up with? You're getting rusty on me Ike. Insulting me based on the state I live in? You have sunk to a new low. You lose 6 cool points. That brings the cool point tally to -16.

-16 = Not cool at all, go away

I own a tiburon, and I'm not gonna lie, I haven't even driven a rx-8.

But here's what I think, The rx-8 is a great car, far better than the tiburon, but the rx-8 lacks in the straight line acceleration category that we are talking about.

those high 14's that you guys are claiming, are because you're car is rear wheel drive, it has a great 0-60 time, but i believe if you catch a stock tiburon on the highway and drop down to about 30-35mph, whatever range it is that the rx-8 is revving low in 2nd gear, i feel confident the tib would pull hard at first and stay in front for as long as you want to go.

from a roll, your rx-8's aren't anything like what the 1/4 mile says.

Originally posted by jdwk
I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.

Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.

In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.

I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.

People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.

The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.

So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.

I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).

I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.

LMFAO!!! He owns an MX-6 (I am laughing so hard people are looking at me) Who the hell is this guy?? He owns an MX-6 and claims that a Tiburon and RSX can beat the 8..I hope you aren't a betting man because you will be a poor man soon enough. Good luck with your 6!! (still laughing):D

You guys are just out of control. Ike's point has not been disproven - the difference between the RX8 and Tiburon in the 1/4 mile is about the same as the difference between the RX8 and the 350Z/G35 Coupe. I'm not a huge fan of the Tibruon (though I think it looks good), but the hypocrisy here is quite apparent.

revhappy, I have spent a considerable amount of time in the G35 C, and the performance numbers are almost identical to the 8. The 5-60 time is quicker in the G35, but all in all, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are very close. The 350Z is quicker, but come on, the Tiburon?? Are we back on the HP cover-up thing again. Judge Ito put together a 14.3 1/4 mile time in his 8 stock ! Sounds pretty close to the G35 to me (even a little quicker). Man the 8 must be loved to attract so many people that don't own the car?

Rev,
no offense but 819 posts on a forum that doesn't involve your car? Both you and Ike (while I like the WRX and the EVO) have nothing in common with anyone on this forum, do you own or plan on owning an 8? I didn't think so. So what is your experience with an 8 (and this is directed at both you and Ike)? Have you owned one? I didn't think so. All of your posts (both of you) have always been biased towards your own cars or more so any car that is not an 8. The thread is titled RX 8 vs. Tiburon, not RX 8 vs all cars. The 8 would smoke a tiburon bottom line. If you don't like the fact that owners of the 8 like their cars and feel they are superior to other cars (notice I didn't say all cars) then maybe you should join an anti 8 club.

Originally posted by Broker73
revhappy, I have spent a considerable amount of time in the G35 C, and the performance numbers are almost identical to the 8. The 5-60 time is quicker in the G35, but all in all, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are very close. The 350Z is quicker, but come on, the Tiburon?? Are we back on the HP cover-up thing again. Judge Ito put together a 14.3 1/4 mile time in his 8 stock ! Sounds pretty close to the G35 to me (even a little quicker). Man the 8 must be loved to attract so many people that don't own the car?

Well, Judge Ito is a very experienced drag racer and his car was unusually quick. Just about every other member has gotten high 14s to mid 15s. In other cars that are notoriously hard to launch, I have seen numerous times equaling or exceeding the magazine times. That being said, I'm no fan of the Z anfd G35 and probobly would choose the RX8 over the G, but it'd be a pickem between it and the Z.

The difference between ~ 15 and mid to high 15s (Tib) and 15 and low 14s (Z/G35) is similar to me.

Originally posted by Bigcat44
Rev,
no offense but 819 posts on a forum that doesn't involve your car? Both you and Ike (while I like the WRX and the EVO) have nothing in common with anyone on this forum, do you own or plan on owning an 8? I didn't think so. So what is your experience with an 8 (and this is directed at both you and Ike)? Have you owned one? I didn't think so. All of your posts (both of you) have always been biased towards your own cars or more so any car that is not an 8. The thread is titled RX 8 vs. Tiburon, not RX 8 vs all cars. The 8 would smoke a tiburon bottom line. If you don't like the fact that owners of the 8 like their cars and feel they are superior to other cars (notice I didn't say all cars) then maybe you should join an anti 8 club.

If you have followed my posts you will notice I was on this board following the RX8 long before I ruled it out and bought the EVO. In fact, I started the thread "The Mazda RX8" on Edmunds in November 2001. Anyway, I posted the reason I am on this board a few days back, so look there to find out more.

Originally posted by jdwk
I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.

Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.

In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.

I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.

People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.

The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.

So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.

I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).

I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.

Well said.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
C&D (a real car magazine) managed a 14.1 with the G35, compared to the 14.5 PRE PRODUCTION RX-8.
You seem to be obsessed with numbers so I figured you'd want to be correct while defending C&D's. During a comparo between the 8, G35C and the Cobra, the G35C recorded a 14.2.

Originally posted by woah
But here's what I think, The rx-8 is a great car, far better than the tiburon, but the rx-8 lacks in the straight line acceleration category that we are talking about.

those high 14's that you guys are claiming, are because you're car is rear wheel drive, it has a great 0-60 time, but i believe if you catch a stock tiburon on the highway and drop down to about 30-35mph, whatever range it is that the rx-8 is revving low in 2nd gear, i feel confident the tib would pull hard at first and stay in front for as long as you want to go.

from a roll, your rx-8's aren't anything like what the 1/4 mile says.

I think we can all agree that pointing out times from one time to another can be misleading and doesn't take into consideration track conditions. Having said that comparos between one magazine and another are more misleading that ones done at different times at the same magazine. So with all that in mind, lets examine your statement with real world numbers. Now we all know that a 5-60 mph start is murder on a high reving engine, giving the advantage to a lower reving V6 with more torque (159 lb-ft vs. 177 lb-ft). So what are the two numbers for 5-60 mph?

RX8: 7.5s
Tib: 7.6s

Well no clear winner here despite the Tib's engine being more suited to the test.

Taking a look at the top gear test gives the Tib another advantage since 8's gears need to be rowed for the engine to sing

30-50

RX8: 10.8
Tib: 9.6

50-70

RX8: 10.0
Tib: 10.1

As you can see, as the speeds get closer to the sweet spot for 6th gear for the RX8, it starts to pull ahead.

So, although it's a mag race which isn't based on real life, unless we restrict ourselves to top gear accelerations, it shouldn't be difficult for the RX8 to keep up or surpass the Tib at any speed. The first comparison is probably the best way to look at it because it takes all the advanatge out of the launch of the 8, but the Tib's peak torque comes at less than half of the 8's RPM's.

Anyway, this is by no way concrete data, the only way is to test them back to back on a real track - but it's much better than, "Well I've only ever driven one of the cars here, so I think...:

Originally posted by 5Gen_Prelude
I think we can all agree that pointing out times from one time to another can be misleading and doesn't take into consideration track conditions. Having said that comparos between one magazine and another are more misleading that ones done at different times at the same magazine. So with all that in mind, lets examine your statement with real world numbers. Now we all know that a 5-60 mph start is murder on a high reving engine, giving the advantage to a lower reving V6 with more torque (159 lb-ft vs. 177 lb-ft). So what are the two numbers for 5-60 mph?

RX8: 7.5s
Tib: 7.6s

Well no clear winner here despite the Tib's engine being more suited to the test.

Taking a look at the top gear test gives the Tib another advantage since 8's gears need to be rowed for the engine to sing

30-50

RX8: 10.8
Tib: 9.6

50-70

RX8: 10.0
Tib: 10.1

As you can see, as the speeds get closer to the sweet spot for 6th gear for the RX8, it starts to pull ahead.

So, although it's a mag race which isn't based on real life, unless we restrict ourselves to top gear accelerations, it shouldn't be difficult for the RX8 to keep up or surpass the Tib at any speed. The first comparison is probably the best way to look at it because it takes all the advanatge out of the launch of the 8, but the Tib's peak torque comes at less than half of the 8's RPM's.

Anyway, this is by no way concrete data, the only way is to test them back to back on a real track - but it's much better than, "Well I've only ever driven one of the cars here, so I think...:

Very well said! However, and it's not for you 5Gen_Prelude, don't hate on other cars!

Originally posted by revhappy
If you have followed my posts you will notice I was on this board following the RX8 long before I ruled it out and bought the EVO. In fact, I started the thread "The Mazda RX8" on Edmunds in November 2001. Anyway, I posted the reason I am on this board a few days back, so look there to find out more.

So you don't own an 8 nor have you ever owned one yet you seem to think you (by reading Mag ads) have the knowledge on wether or not the 8 can beat any car? While I like the Evo (more than the WRX) and the STi I find no reason to go and start posting my personal opinions on your web forums considering I have a biased opinion towards my great 8. Thanks for your 819 posts of hmm oh yeah great info but keep your 8 flaming to your own web board.

Pretty good post 5Gen.

Look, a modded Civic can take the 8. Who cares. If you like Civics, you'll be geeked by it. Same with a clapped out 85 Mustang.

Same with the Tib. If it makes a Tib owner feel good to keep up with an 8 in acceleration, yipee.

But that will never hide the fact that the 8 is 1) a nicer car (as it should be for more $$), 2) better handling, and 3) rear-drive.

That (among other reasons) is why I'd choose the 8 over the Tib.

Should the 8 be faster? Yeah, I'd like it to have more mid-range punch.

But I ain't going to lose sleep over losing a stoplight drag race... if I even bother.

Originally posted by Bigcat44
So you don't own an 8 nor have you ever owned one yet you seem to think you (by reading Mag ads) have the knowledge on wether or not the 8 can beat any car? While I like the Evo (more than the WRX) and the STi I find no reason to go and start posting my personal opinions on your web forums considering I have a biased opinion towards my great 8. Thanks for your 819 posts of hmm oh yeah great info but keep your 8 flaming to your own web board.

This IS my "own weboard" as this is the one I have been on from the start of my "car board" time. Of course, if you think only owners of the car of the board are only entitled to an opinion, maybe my reasoning won't make sense to you.

I think people are just tired that your every post is something negative about the 8. You only talk about the negative aspects and only accept the worst available stats, doubting any favorable results. Like in the way you emphasize 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers. High rpm clutch drop, experienced driver, PRE-PRODUCTION model, blah, blah, blah. It's like a broken record. Your opinions have been expressed over and over. Find another board that gives a shit. It does matter if an annoying guy has been around forever, he's still annoying. :)

and that was well written, racerdave, I'm in complete agreement.

Originally posted by rabinabo
I think people are just tired that your every post is something negative about the 8. You only talk about the negative aspects and only accept the worst available stats, doubting any favorable results. Like in the way you emphasize 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers. High rpm clutch drop, experienced driver, PRE-PRODUCTION model, blah, blah, blah. It's like a broken record. Your opinions have been expressed over and over. Find another board that gives a shit. It does matter if an annoying guy has been around forever, he's still annoying. :)

and that was well written, racerdave, I'm in complete agreement.


I am merely pointing out the facts here. I'm sorry if you do not like my opinions, but I will express them and will not sugarcoat them to placate some egos. In fact, there are many people on this board that are considering to make a $30K + decision - I think they need to hear all opinions in order to make an informed judgement.

Originally posted by rabinabo
I think people are just tired that your every post is something negative about the 8. You only talk about the negative aspects and only accept the worst available stats, doubting any favorable results. Like in the way you emphasize 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers. High rpm clutch drop, experienced driver, PRE-PRODUCTION model, blah, blah, blah. It's like a broken record. Your opinions have been expressed over and over. Find another board that gives a shit. It does matter if an annoying guy has been around forever, he's still annoying. :)

and that was well written, racerdave, I'm in complete agreement.

Very well said. Revhappy Can you PLEASE come up with new shit to talk about? It is the same blah blah blah everytime. Are you REALLY trying to hurt our feelings with your always negitive comments? If so go find another board where people might actually care what you are saying.

Oh and Lightemup you are killing me:D Good shit keep taking those points away hahahahahha

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
Very well said. Revhappy Can you PLEASE come up with new shit to talk about? It is the same blah blah blah everytime. Are you REALLY trying to hurt our feelings with your always negitive comments? If so go find another board where people might actually care what you are saying.

Oh and Lightemup you are killing me:D Good shit keep taking those points away hahahahahha

Maybe I should just start talking about "Sh*t" ....sigh...........

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