View Full Version : VividRacing/B&B Cat-back Exhaust Info


VividRacing.com
11-11-2003, 02:13 PM
We have droped off our Project RX8 at B&B Exhaust and they are making a custom cat back and test pipe for our 8. If you aren't fimiliar with B&B thier full name is Billy Boat Exhaust. The company is known for thier Porche and Corvette exhausts in the road racing world. They have worked wiith us before to produce an EVO and WRX exhaust and now prototyping one for the RX8. This is a quick pic I snaped while thier head fabricator was welding up the muffler.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p048d0596324949c890c911621d1d8e0d/fa959053.jpg

I should have more to report later today as I should have dyno #s and more pics.:D

Digisan
11-11-2003, 02:34 PM
Looks good! Do you have a target price?

mikeb
11-11-2003, 02:46 PM
sweet
that tip looks HUGE

rxeightr
11-11-2003, 02:50 PM
Very clean shop -- impressive. Look forward to the dyno's & sound clip.

moRotorMotor
11-11-2003, 03:28 PM
I know I'm not suppose to assume things, but doesn't the tips looks a little too big to fit in the hole of the bumper?

Sin
11-11-2003, 04:12 PM
probably 4"in diameter, but double edged so the hole is 3"...should fit fine

savedsol
11-11-2003, 04:36 PM
I wish someone would do a center exhaust. Or at least do away with the giant heavy can.

VividRacing.com
11-11-2003, 06:52 PM
Here's a few more pics from the B&B shop and the exhaust.

Front to back -cat back
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p192fc18b2c763875631a4044e57225f2/fa95368e.jpg

Another....
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p872f7127fb2a360d4867939bc29d8f9d/fa953684.jpg

More comming soon.........

M-ster
11-11-2003, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by savedsol
Or at least do away with the giant heavy can.

Racing Beat have got something that's quite neat.

bureau13
11-11-2003, 10:26 PM
If you recall, the picture's of the Rotary Extreme exhaust prototype utilized two smaller muffler cans, only they weren't perpendicular to the car like ever other exhaust I've seen, they were sort of angled back so there were fewer sharp bends in the exhaust flow.

jds

Turborex
11-12-2003, 01:48 PM
I say for the most performance get rid of the dual tip, and do one straight pipe all the way back. Catless of course.:D

bureau13
11-12-2003, 03:30 PM
Probably true, but aesthetically it will look horrible without major body work on the back end.

jds

VividRacing.com
11-14-2003, 01:09 AM
It's a double edge sword, maximum effeciency with a single tip...odd unfinished look of rear end.

I'm not sold on the split muffler style like in the pic. Seems heavier and restrictive. But I could be wrong.

XDEEDUBBX
11-14-2003, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Turborex
I say for the most performance get rid of the dual tip, and do one straight pipe all the way back. Catless of course.:D

yea but not if you live in southern Cali... you'll get busted in an hour!

XDEEDUBBX
11-14-2003, 01:25 AM
is anyone running without there catalyctic converter?? if so how does it sound??

VividRacing.com
11-14-2003, 01:30 AM
Here's a few more pics of the tips...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p3397879aa09357aae2db8c977fc606d4/fa953668.jpg

Full on rear view. Love the look. I don't know why but this pic reminds me of a Star Wars ship or something. You can see the diff with the new paint better in this one too.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p02859e476d65c1e795ec3be7e4a813cd/fa9536a3.jpg


Everything has gone according to plan so far. Fitment was good. Gaskets seal nicely. Sounds incredible. Next step...dyno.

and before you all blow a seal...yes, we'll post the #s as well as a sound clip ASAP.:)

mikeb
11-14-2003, 02:35 AM
vivid
that looks perfect
I'm interested already

rxtreme
11-14-2003, 04:27 PM
It's a double edge sword, maximum effeciency with a single tip...odd unfinished look of rear end.

Perhaps a high speed company such as yourself could design a single tip, straight thru design exhaust similiar to what is seen on the Porches AND make a redisigned bumper cover to accomodate such a modification. Tha would be awesome. Maybe even make the exhaust tip rotor shaped just to add a extra flavor of coolness. Costly, yes. Worth it; probably.

VividRacing.com
11-20-2003, 12:45 PM
Here's another pic...This one's of the Test pipe...

http://vividracing.chainreactionweb.com/catalog/images/bbrx8catpipe.jpg

Enigma
11-20-2003, 01:08 PM
MORE PICTURES!

DYNO NUMBERS!

More! More! More!

VividRacing.com
11-20-2003, 02:24 PM
Here's a dyno run. Remember this was done with 19" wheels so the base #s are a little low.

http://vividracing.chainreactionweb.com/catalog/images/bbrx8dyno.jpg

islandsoon
11-20-2003, 02:29 PM
Vivid...

Keep the info coming... Those are impressive HP and Torque gains! The price and sound clip revealing the decel popping (actually not popping is preferable) is what I'm looking for. Might take a fuel remap job to solve the popping/burbling?
Tom

islandsoon
11-20-2003, 02:53 PM
BTW Vivid...

I think you scanned the same dyno sheet for both the test pipe and the CAT back system above. Both are showing 12 hp gains where instead the test pipe should be showing a five hp gain over stock and a five hp gain over your new BB system?

Tom

VividRacing.com
11-20-2003, 03:20 PM
oops! Thanks for letting me know. I can't see half the pics posted.

Enigma
11-20-2003, 03:22 PM
This board is sooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooow I cant see half of the pictures either. Is there a trick to getting them to load?

Omicron
11-20-2003, 04:11 PM
DSL or Cablemodem. It's pretty graphics intensive, so without the bandwidth on your end, it's gonna be slow.

Enigma
11-20-2003, 04:24 PM
Yeah im on a T1 line here at work. Sometimes the graphics load right away sometimes they wont load at all. Not even the nav bars at the top of the page will load. Whacky forums, this is the only forums that is like this.

But back on topic! NICE SYSTEM!! Can't wait to hear a sound clip!

renesis_turbo
11-20-2003, 04:49 PM
Would love to hear a sound clip... most important to me is any drone at highway speeds...

Omicron
11-20-2003, 11:32 PM
Yes, I'd like to hear a sound clip too.

Originally posted by Enigma
Yeah im on a T1 line here at work. Sometimes the graphics load right away sometimes they wont load at all. Not even the nav bars at the top of the page will load. Whacky forums, this is the only forums that is like this.

The problem you're describing is related to using Microsoft Internet Explorer version 6.X as your browser. I have the same problem. What works when the graphics stop loading (for me, anyway) is to open a brand new browser window and start again.

XeRo
11-21-2003, 02:23 PM
yep...not to get off topic but IE6 is bad..if you have 5.5 stay with it because for some reason 6 does not like this forum...

now back to our regular scheduled program...

sound clips please...thank you

VividRacing.com
11-21-2003, 06:16 PM
Sound clip will be a few weeks yet as the exhaust it still in production. We'll update you as soon as we have something.

rxtreme
11-22-2003, 08:18 PM
Vivid-

Maybe you can answer this for me. Why does the exhaust tubing bend around backwards as it leaves the muffler to the tip? It seems like it would add unnecessary length and restriction for the exhaust.

Chieferx
12-03-2003, 08:39 AM
The test pipe diameter is 2.5 or 3 Inch

VividRacing.com
12-08-2003, 12:45 PM
You've asked for it, so here it is. We put the exhaust on friday night and took it out to the track on saturday. We'll have some footage of the event soon. Enjoy the clip.

http://www.vividracing.com/bbrx8exhaust.mov

my10ae
12-08-2003, 01:42 PM
Sounds awesome Huff!! Hmmm something to add to my Xmas list :)

islandsoon
12-08-2003, 02:13 PM
As usual, Vivid, Very Nicely done!

Thanks,
Tom

bia619
12-08-2003, 06:42 PM
that is a sweet sounding exhaust, and it definately does performs. one question, why does does Dan Mermelstein claim the 19 hp, when the dyno sheet shows only 12 hp for the cat-back, and 5 for the down pipe. $699 is a very reasonable price either way, although im not too sure how much hp the borla is putting out.

mikeb
12-08-2003, 08:17 PM
I thought the borla is only 3.2 hp

bureau13
12-08-2003, 10:07 PM
3.2? They were claiming something like 11 previously I thought, with a dyno to back it up.

jds

s1mike22
12-08-2003, 10:15 PM
sounds nice.

s1mike22
12-08-2003, 10:19 PM
btw, is that the autoexe bodykit? i didn't like it from the pictures, but in that video it looks pretty sweet.

Sin
12-08-2003, 11:59 PM
Wow, sounds just like my magnaflows!!

VividRacing.com
12-09-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by bia619
that is a sweet sounding exhaust, and it definately does performs. one question, why does does Dan Mermelstein claim the 19 hp, when the dyno sheet shows only 12 hp for the cat-back, and 5 for the down pipe. $699 is a very reasonable price either way, although im not too sure how much hp the borla is putting out.

Dan was using the numbers given as peak H/P from B&B. 12 is the average after a few pulls on the dyno.

Mazda man
12-09-2003, 04:29 PM
Sounds good, but I love that bodykit. I think that is the nicest kit I have seen for the Rx-8.

Dookie_Rx-8
12-09-2003, 06:31 PM
why is it not working for me?can anyone help me

Genom
12-09-2003, 06:49 PM
Probably, but you need to be a bit more specific about whats wrong.

While owning a RX-8 is a sign of great intelligence, telepathy wasnt an option in any of the packages :D

rxeightr
12-09-2003, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Genom
While owning a RX-8 is a sign of great intelligence, telepathy wasnt an option in any of the packages :D

Are you sure? My RX-8 talks to me regularly, as I keep hearing "drive me.....drive me....push me harder" in my head when I'm next to it.

Genom
12-09-2003, 07:10 PM
That isnt telepathy. Thats plain old mind control. I dont mind that aprt though :D

VividRacing.com
12-10-2003, 04:34 PM
That's funny!

Dookie_Rx-8
12-10-2003, 06:19 PM
its not working for me....it goes to a white screen with the quicktime logo th "Q" thingy and then it just says like that

mikeb
12-10-2003, 06:45 PM
you have to download the right program quickplay to see it

Dookie_Rx-8
12-10-2003, 10:50 PM
i downloaded it,same thing

slavearm
12-11-2003, 11:23 AM
right click on the link then choose "save target as"


Save it to your local pc and then try to play it.

Good luck grasshopper.

VividRacing.com
12-11-2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Dookie_Rx-8
its not working for me....it goes to a white screen with the quicktime logo th "Q" thingy and then it just says like that


Usually that means that the file is downloading. It isn't a big file and takes like 3-4 min to download. Next time leave the Q on the screen till it loads and it will play on it's own.

SDFLY
12-11-2003, 06:52 PM
Nice sounding exhaust, certainly gives the "Borla" buyers something to compare with now. Concur with the others, I'm usually not much of an aero kit fan but your set-up looks really clean and sharp.

Kevin

Dookie_Rx-8
12-11-2003, 08:25 PM
i did do it both ways.said quicktime cannot read it and the other one it didnt work

tommy12g
12-11-2003, 09:08 PM
to to www.quicktime.com and download the newest player that might be the problem

Dookie_Rx-8
12-11-2003, 09:46 PM
i did download it,,still wont work DAMMIT i wanna hear it ,can anyone like send me the file or something in a different version or something Dookster415@aol.com

XDEEDUBBX
12-12-2003, 12:11 AM
dam guys its not that hard....open it with "quicktime player" DL the newest version of it though...

VividRacing.com
01-05-2004, 11:45 PM
Dookie- did you get the link working and finally see the clip?