HELP HELP HELP!!

Wondering if anyone has the same issue. I seem to notice this much more since it is colder out.

Every morning around 7:15am I start my 8 up (manual), let it warm up for approx. 5 min while I have a smoke. I back out of the drive way and put it into first rev up the rpms to 3000rpmish at the same time letting out the clutch slowly to a full release and then it starts to drop the rpms fast like it's gonna stall. Push the clutch in rev up some more and away she goes chugging a bit then she's good to go.

I only seem to experience this in the morning. Not sure if it's because of the temperature drop or what and wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing.

Any input would be great!
Thx!!


***bad update!!!**

I just got off my train, started my car and let it warm up 2-3 minutes, back up put it in first and the rpm dropped again. I could barely move. Then YES the CEL came on FUK! I got home barely opened the hood and the was smoke coming out. WTF!! ANYONE HELP PZ!!

**UPDATE**

Well the coils are not covered and they HIGHLY recommend I don't drive the car until they are fixed. It's now been 6 days without my car, when this should have been all done and figured out last Friday (at the latest). I have asked to speak to the service manager when I get there.

I am going to have my 8 towed backed to my house where it will sit until my used OEM coils are delivered and installed (I hope to hell this weekend!!!!!!! ).

BTW - a high flow cat is only $450us, and an OEM one is only $1200us. Where they were gonna charge me $2000++.

Coils installed $426 how the hell is that? OEM coils for $28us each = $112us. So a $300 plus mark up on these things and labour. It is NOT a 2 hour job!!! CRAZY

So in a wrap up:

First initial call from Ajax Mazda quote $3,050ish (CAT supposedly not covered under warranty).

I had to do the research to prove the CAT is under warranty.

Won't cover the coils.

They did the compression test for free, which was an argument about being covered in the first place.

Now my battery is dead!! They said because I had trouble starting it lol...what a load of shit!

Total cost so far was to diagnose the problem $98 plus tax.

No CELs?

Nope none at all. once it gets going it is fine

Sounds pretty standard.. I've never had a car that liked getting going in the morning, even after being warmed up. I think I have to give about 500-800 more RPM than I would usually to start moving in the morning.

Wondering if anyone has the same issue. I seem to notice this much more since it is colder out.

Every morning around 7:15am I start my 8 up (manual), let it warm up for approx. 5 min while I have a smoke. I back out of the drive way and put it into first rev up the rpms to 3000rpmish at the same time letting out the clutch slowly to a full release and then it starts to drop the rpms fast like it's gonna stall. Push the clutch in rev up some more and away she goes chugging a bit then she's good to go.

I only seem to experience this in the morning. Not sure if it's because of the temperature drop or what and wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing.

Any input would be great!
Thx!!

are you on a hill?? :-P

Sounds pretty standard.. I've never had a car that liked getting going in the morning, even after being warmed up. I think I have to give about 500-800 more RPM than I would usually to start moving in the morning.

Agree, but don't think my old manual car did this. I can't even remember if it was doing the same thing last winter.

are you on a hill?? :-P

It's a slight incline I guess, but don't think that's it. I do my best not to rev it to hard when it is just warming up.

Thumper...best way to warm up your car is to drive slowly and rev less than 4k...not idling for 5min and smoke a fag man.

You got more wear and tire idling than driving slowly...

Thumper...best way to warm up your car is to drive slowly and rev less than 4k...not idling for 5min and smoke a fag man.

You got more wear and tire idling than driving slowly...

Thanks man! and I do that as well after I let it idle for a bit. I have read lots on here about taking care of our cars, and one thing I have read is to let our car's idle to warm up a least for a few minutes before driving them. If this is wrong please correct me.

But I like my fags, kinda why I like u ;) ;)

I only let me car idle in the morning until it stops idling around 2000rpm and returns closer to 1000. Then I pull away with no problems.

My Blue is better then yours

lol fags! :P


The best way to warm your car up is to drive it. With computer controlled, fuel-injected engines, you need no more than 30 seconds of idling before driving away. Things like wheel bearings, steering, suspension, transmission and tires only warm up when your car is moving.


Some FYI articles (http://www.wcr.ab.ca/news/2002/0128/warmitup012802.shtml)

damn 3k rpm you must have a heavy foot...i only rev to about 1k then slowly let off the clutch

Vehicle Warm-Up, Natural Resources Canada (http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/idling/warm-up.cfm?attr=8)

^ Kafka is correct, never let your car just sit there and Idle especially in the winter, people think that idling their car will warm up the car and the climate control. They don't realize that when you start driving the car it warms it up faster.

when your leading coils are dying, you'll find that the car will want to stall at low rpms, so you end up having to rev it up higher to prevent it from bogging. If it's the coils, this issue will slowly get worse till you're forced to go to 4k range to move the car without it stalling.

I agree with mysql, I assumed it was your coils, its up at above 100K, and Mazda ever says replace your coils in the maintenance schedule, yet guys on this forum know you should do it at 50K if you can.

I think its time for ignition mod.

cool thx guys!! I will do the the ignition mod if it gets worse. Once it's warmed up no problems tho, it's only first thing in the morning.

Pros have you done the ignition mod?

Rx8thunder did the Mazsport ignition coil upgrade. I think afterwards, he decided to sell it cause he didn't like it?

Proper ignition upgrade that doesn't require tuning to function:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=145128

Haha no, i think he sold the sprintbooster. No one would sell an ignition mod. I could be wrong I dont dwell the FS forum too much. But ya, if it was warm enough I would come by and just check the coils for you. Maybe ask Al, he might have an idea.

wow, its out now. I blew the cash I had for that on useless stuff. Like I said best bang for buck mods, Accessport, Midpipe and Ignition Mod and you will toast have the 8s on this forum.

when the engine is warmed up it idles around 800 rpm..ish. when it's cold it idles at about 2000 rpm...ish.

so when you go to let out the clutch when it's idling at 2000 the rmp dropping is going to be much more noticable. maybe that's all it is.

i have the same thing happen to me in the mornings when it's about 30 degrees outside. later on when i get in my car abou 65-70 degrees i dont notice anything.

Proper ignition upgrade that doesn't require tuning to function:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=145128


I followed thelink, and even watched the video you posted. The npeople started posting about wanting "option 3, and option 1, and 4 etc.. etc..."

I refer to the first post, and it doesn't mention that. What are these options people are talking about?

he was going to sell it with different coils and stuff. He's since narrowed down what he offers. Everyone wanted the GM coils (what people upgrade corvettes with) as they would perform as good if not better than the more expensive coils. And the new coils even have heat sinks on them.

$370 including wires, coils, brackets, etc.

Looks like I'll get mine mid Nov.

I am going to store my FD very soon, and my RX-8 is my daily driver car now, every morning i start it up, the Engine oil level light is on for like 20 secs, then it goes off. I checked the engine oil level on the dipstick, it's not near low......... is it due to the cold weather, cold start or something? Anyone got this happen as well??

oil sensor gone bad? I think there's a TSB for this, but maybe I'm confusing it with the coolant sensor tsb..

I'm gonna start saving up some money for that BHR upgrade.

damn 3k rpm you must have a heavy foot...i only rev to about 1k then slowly let off the clutch

**Update**

Well this morning I started her up and had a smoke (3-4 min), yes Kafka I like my fags and that's why I like you ;) backed out of the drive way and tried what dozer mentioned. Before backing out of the drive way my 8 was revin around 1250ishrpm. I reved her up to just over 2krpm and let the clutch off slowly and little to no hesitation. I guess at the higher rpms on a cold start, the A/F is working it's best or something like that. I am use to revin up my old car (V-tech).

Pros if you know how to check the coils, by all means let me know when. When it's plus 20 again? :) lol.

Will be doing some research on the ignition upgrade in the mean time.

Thx again for everyone's input! Cheers!

You drove a telephone before?? V-tech (http://www.vtech.com/)?

:P

Updated first thread...need advice plz!@!! fuk!!

smoke from where specifically? did it smell? was the CEL flashing? does it start up and run fine still?

Greg

Smoke was from the engine, seemed to be at the back behind the oil dip stick. Yes the CEL was flashing, then when I was driving with the rpms up it would go off for a bit slow down and back on again. I haven't tried starting it again.

It must be blown up from owner abuse!:naughty: Im sure we could sell you a nice peripheral port.............................lol

thats important, flashing or not. flashing means the ecu detected multiple missfires. that means get your foot out of it. also, if you are missing that bad sounds like its time for a the very least plugs. maybe coils. I noticed mine had a miss the other day when i beat on it before it was all the way to operating temp (it was 1/2 way to OT or 1/4 on the gauge). Then today leaving work it happened again, but this time at about 4500rpm instead of at like 7 grand like last time. im gonna do plugs for sure and see what happens.

Also, was there one side of the engine bay the smoke was coming from more? what im getting at, if you are missfiring, all that extra fuel gets dumped into the exhaust, or it can be burning late out into the exhaust and cause it to get really hot. Ive seen a car do it once so bad that the cat had a red ring around the center of it because it was so hot.

Greg

Eddie and me are heading over. What CEL is popping up is the question. Footman pick up your phone. I'm at town, might need Scangaugr.

if his cat is clopghed, it would be burning hot, peaking underneath would confirm.

pros, its more important that its flashing or not. like i said, flashing indicates a missfire, regardless of the other codes it keeps.

whens that last time you did plugs thumper?

Greg

It must be blown up from owner abuse!:naughty: Im sure we could sell you a nice peripheral port.............................lol

What the hell Al that's not even funny!!

pros, its more important that its flashing or not. like i said, flashing indicates a missfire, regardless of the other codes it keeps.

whens that last time you did plugs thumper?

Greg

I got new plugs and wires from Ajax mazda this past Marchish. So shouldn't be that?

flashing is bad, if you did 4502F, which would have been done when you imported in, since it was a mandatory recall and recalls need to be done when importing. On the basis of his join date, I assume his leading were replaced last year.

I'm really thinking it's his coils.

thats important, flashing or not. flashing means the ecu detected multiple missfires. that means get your foot out of it. also, if you are missing that bad sounds like its time for a the very least plugs. maybe coils. I noticed mine had a miss the other day when i beat on it before it was all the way to operating temp (it was 1/2 way to OT or 1/4 on the gauge). Then today leaving work it happened again, but this time at about 4500rpm instead of at like 7 grand like last time. im gonna do plugs for sure and see what happens.

Also, was there one side of the engine bay the smoke was coming from more? what im getting at, if you are missfiring, all that extra fuel gets dumped into the exhaust, or it can be burning late out into the exhaust and cause it to get really hot. Ive seen a car do it once so bad that the cat had a red ring around the center of it because it was so hot.

Greg

What do you mean by "get your foot out of it"?

I wasn't beating on it at all, like 2000rpm.

I guess more the leftside that I noticed first. Left when looking at the engine.

flashing is bad, if you did 4502F, which would have been done when you imported in, since it was a mandatory recall and recalls need to be done when importing. On the basis of his join date, I assume his leading were replaced last year.

Which recall was the 4502F? I got the papers stating all recalls done.

When u guys headin over?

right, not on forgot that part. even still, when it happens on mine, i take my foot right off the gas and let it coast (usually pull off on the next sideroad) until the light stops flashing, then i gingerly get on the gas little by little. mines only acting up when its cold though...

and the passenger side of the engine is where the exhaust manifold is, so the smoke that you saw was likely from that being so hot....any water or moister or anything that gets near it is gonna roast right away. as long as it didnt smell like something bad was cooking, i wouldnt worry about the smoke. its effect, and you need to fix the cause. if you just did the plugs, then coils would be the next guess. mightneed plugs again though if youve been missfiring a bit recently the plugs can get fouled pretty bad

Greg

Marc,

Got your message. I really don't know. You should take it to a dealer to check. The coils seem likely since if they are not providing sufficient voltage, the sparkplugs will not spark, and your fuel will not ignite, which in turn means you are dumping raw fuel into the CAT. That would actually "cool down" the CAT though, so it wouldn't glow red.

do you smell unburnt fuel vapours from your exhaust? If you stop by my condo, I can hook up the scanguage to read any stored DTC codes you may have.

Thx guys!!

We did a scan and it was a miss fire. Started up again and idling really rough and really bad gas smell so turned it off. Towing it to the dealership tomorrow. Hope it is covered since I only just had the plugs and wires done by the dealership this last June.

Thx to Pros, ThIef and Neo for coming to help me out!! Really appreciate it! The brotherhood here is awesome!!!

Haha no, i think he sold the sprintbooster. No one would sell an ignition mod. I could be wrong I dont dwell the FS forum too much. But ya, if it was warm enough I would come by and just check the coils for you. Maybe ask Al, he might have an idea.

You're correct Jay, I sold the SB. I love the ignition mod!

So if I have to do coils I should do the ignition mod? What company is it from again? Don't have time to search.

Go with the BHR Ignition System from Charles R. Hill.
$405 CAD shipped to Canada. Includes coils, wires, harness.

405 shipped! thats a good deal, it would cost that for stock coils alone, would it not? i think they are about 100 a peice IIRC. and marc, good luck dealing with the dealership.

Greg

So if I have to do coils I should do the ignition mod? What company is it from again? Don't have time to search.

Thumper, I bought ignition mod from mazsport. (http://www.mazsport.net/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=140) It's more expensive ($599 US) than the BHR solution. Not sure what the differences are between the two solutions. Should check out both before you decide.

Thumper, I bought ignition mod from mazsport. (http://www.mazsport.net/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=140) It's more expensive ($599 US) than the BHR solution. Not sure what the differences are between the two solutions. Should check out both before you decide.

Considering the brouhaha going on between some forum members and Mazsport, I'm not sure if it'd be the best idea to go for a Mazsport product =\

Go with the BHR Ignition System from Charles R. Hill.
$405 CAD shipped to Canada. Includes coils, wires, harness.

That's good man! This thread? http://http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=145128

405 shipped! thats a good deal, it would cost that for stock coils alone, would it not? i think they are about 100 a peice IIRC. and marc, good luck dealing with the dealership.

Greg

Thanks greg!!

Thumper, I bought ignition mod from mazsport. (http://www.mazsport.net/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=140) It's more expensive ($599 US) than the BHR solution. Not sure what the differences are between the two solutions. Should check out both before you decide.

Thx Thunder, I will look into it. Any thoughts on either?

**Update**

Took it into Ajax Mazda on a flat bed of course ;) After talking with Pros, Thief and Neo last night, I told them that I had a hard time starting it and then it was idling really rough, gas smell, some smoke and CEL is on (which the counter girls didn't understand until I said check engine light scary!). I mentioned that my plugs and wires were done in June. They didn't have the best looks on their faces.

Pros mentioned to ask for a Vacuum test. I called them to ask for this (since I was in a rush and forgot) and they didn't know what that was, I explained an they said "Oh a compression test, that will be an extra $98." WTF?? I thought Mazda does this for free if a customer requests it? am I wrong? They said they will diagnose the problem and call me. Nothing yet.

Another question - Pros mentioned if I have a starter problem, that this should be fixed by mazda for free? Is this correct?

Thx again guys!!

**Update**

Took it into Ajax Mazda on a flat bed of course ;) After talking with Pros, Thief and Neo last night, I told them that I had a hard time starting it and then it was idling really rough, gas smell, some smoke and CEL is on (which the counter girls didn't understand until I said check engine light scary!). I mentioned that my plugs and wires were done in June. They didn't have the best looks on their faces.

Pros mentioned to ask for a Vacuum test. I called them to ask for this (since I was in a rush and forgot) and they didn't know what that was, I explained an they said "Oh a compression test, that will be an extra $98." WTF?? I thought Mazda does this for free if a customer requests it? am I wrong? They said they will diagnose the problem and call me. Nothing yet.

Another question - Pros mentioned if I have a starter problem, that this should be fixed by mazda for free? Is this correct?

Thx again guys!!


Pros tried to get me to go to Mazda to get the new starter too. Our '04's have weak starters. I like the adventure of starting up the car, and hoping it catches.

Thumper, sadly, it sounds like you may be joining me in the WB new engine club.

Pros tried to get me to go to Mazda to get the new starter too. Our '04's have weak starters. I like the adventure of starting up the car, and hoping it catches.

Thumper, sadly, it sounds like you may be joining me in the WB new engine club.

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O!!

I almost bought an extra engine off the sale's for a $1000 just for a back up lol.

Pros tried to get me to go to Mazda to get the new starter too. Our '04's have weak starters. I like the adventure of starting up the car, and hoping it catches.


Yeah... if you can get one under warantee then go for it. Thing is you need that extended 360 war and for there to be a valid problem with it before they'll replace it for free since it's only a TBS.. gayness. :icon_no2:

I'll just live with mine until it dies (which at this rate it wont be much longer).. hope my coworkers don't mind bump starting me in the snow :lol2:

Yeah... if you can get one under warantee then go for it. Thing is you need that extended 360 war and for there to be a valid problem with it before they'll replace it for free since it's only a TBS.. gayness. :icon_no2:

Shitty well don't have that warranty, no warranty left here, except for the parts I already bought from Ajax Mazda. So no free starter :(

The Mazport solution has dwell settings you can play around with. This is useful for fine-tuning the spark you want to achieve. Useful for FI applications. The BHR Ignition system is non-adjustable. The BHR solution is simply a more robust/powerful coilpack. It has integrated heatsinks PER COIL.

So for those that don't want to mess around too much, the BHR Ignition system is the way to go.

The Mazport solution has dwell settings you can play around with. This is useful for fine-tuning the spark you want to achieve. Useful for FI applications. The BHR Ignition system is non-adjustable. The BHR solution is simply a more robust/powerful coilpack. It has integrated heatsinks PER COIL.

So for those that don't want to mess around too much, the BHR Ignition system is the way to go.

Thanks footman!! hmmmm...simple might be good!!

Do you know the website where I can buy them?

www.blackhaloracing.com

Or alternatively, it's better to PM "Charles R. Hill" use here. He's the guy selling them.

The Mazport solution has dwell settings you can play around with. This is useful for fine-tuning the spark you want to achieve. Useful for FI applications. The BHR Ignition system is non-adjustable. The BHR solution is simply a more robust/powerful coilpack. It has integrated heatsinks PER COIL.

So for those that don't want to mess around too much, the BHR Ignition system is the way to go.

You have your facts wrong.

BHR coils work with the vehicle out of the box and require no changes, HOWEVER if you so choose, you can adjust dwell settings if you had the desire.

Ultimately it is up to you - do you have the hardware necessary to change how your car's fuel management system function and to tell the coils to use a different dwell setting? The coils themselves do nothing of the sort. They require the car to tell it what settings to use.

bhr has a tread set up under performance, look on first page of this thread, mysql posted link. They, Ajax MaZda, told me if I towed my car in having ingnition issues I was eligible for the starter. Get your compression numbers. Tell them your with the 8 club, a lot of past members used to service there. They used to disco parts, but Scarborough Mazda is way better.

Keep us updated.

disco parts?

You have your facts wrong.

BHR coils work with the vehicle out of the box and require no changes, HOWEVER if you so choose, you can adjust dwell settings if you had the desire.

Ultimately it is up to you - do you have the hardware necessary to change how your car's fuel management system function and to tell the coils to use a different dwell setting? The coils themselves do nothing of the sort. They require the car to tell it what settings to use.

no I don't have a cobb right now :( Cool, so sounds like BHR is better?

bhr has a tread set up under performance, look on first page of this thread, mysql posted link. They, Ajax MaZda, told me if I towed my car in having ingnition issues I was eligible for the starter. Get your compression numbers. Tell them your with the 8 club, a lot of past members used to service there. They used to disco parts, but Scarborough Mazda is way better.

Keep us updated.

Really!!!! They have said nothing of the sort. If they get it running I will ask them about it, but doubt they will give me the upgrade :(

They said they aren't going to compression test it yet, and if i want it done another $98, if they require it to be done another $98 wtf is that?

Agree!! Wish I could have brought it to Scar Mazda (Sorry Al), but it's far had to get to work and I bought the plugs and wires off of Ajax so hoping if they need replacing that should at LEAST be covered :uhh:

No call from them yet :squint:

www.blackhaloracing.com

Or alternatively, it's better to PM "Charles R. Hill" use here. He's the guy selling them.

thx footman, but that site doesn't have jack on the ignition upgrade :(

yeah it doesn't, but you wanted the official site. That's why I say you should PM Charles R. Hill. he's the owner anyways.

look at the post mysql posted on the first page of this thread for link

compression should be covered, tell them to call Mazda Canada if they have a porblem with it.

yeah it doesn't, but you wanted the official site. That's why I say you should PM Charles R. Hill. he's the owner anyways.

True!! :lol: Thx man! I will see what Ajax Mazda has to say first and if it's that, then I will upgrade. Wish Al would make a comment about the upgrade ;) ;)

look at the post mysql posted on the first page of this thread for link

compression should be covered, tell them to call Mazda Canada if they have a porblem with it.


Will do!!

That is what I was explaining to the counter girl and she's like "what, what recall, engine problem? it will cost etc etc.." I will see what they come back with.

Now 11:46am and nothing yet. Had it there at 7:30am fuk!

Also tell them you have a US vehcile, technically they were supposed to go the engine cleaning as ordered in the states and that other big recall and flash (K flash, which Footman managed to get).

The K flash is for 06-07 models...
The 04 cars USDM have a different revision level.

Depending on the amount of work they have scheduled for the day, it's not uncommon for the dealers to get back to you sometime in the afternoon.
Also, the service girl doesn't know anything other than to charge the customer. You have to be really specific with these people. They just want your money. Always keep that in mind.

I shouldn't cost you too much. I thought Mazda extended the warranty for the engine just awhile ago? Or is it because you're over the KM's on the car?

Last time I had it in, they said there were no recalls for my vehicle searched by my vin.

It isn't even in the shop yet, this afternoon it is going in.

Depending on the amount of work they have scheduled for the day, it's not uncommon for the dealers to get back to you sometime in the afternoon.
Also, the service girl doesn't know anything other than to charge the customer. You have to be really specific with these people. They just want your money. Always keep that in mind.

I shouldn't cost you too much. I thought Mazda extended the warranty for the engine just awhile ago? Or is it because you're over the KM's on the car?

Very true!! They are pushy too!!

They did extend it to 160,000 km and no i'm not over it :)

**update**

Just heard back and they said my cat is plugged. They are putting in a call to Mazda canada and Mazda US i guess because they don't know what is covered.

Pros I said the compression test should be covered and they replied it isn't covered unless it's in the 3 year 80,000km warranty. I told them the warranty has changed to 160,000 and they replied they don't know what is covered being a US vehicle. I said that goes for both Can. and US. I have to wait till tomorrow to get the compression test so no car :( If the cat is gone and I have to pay for it, high flow cat?? :)

CAT is covered by 128,000km or 8 year warranty.
Your CAT probably got clogged when massive amounts of fuel was dumped into it following that car wash flooding incident in the parking lot.

I guess when you pay dealers to deflood, perhaps part of their procedure is to disconnect the CAT so it can crank and not worry about dumping fuel into it.

CAT is covered by 128,000km or 8 year warranty.
Your CAT probably got clogged when massive amounts of fuel was dumped into it following that car wash flooding incident in the parking lot.

SWEET!!!! You are probably right!! Didn't even think about it, figured it would just burn off. Makes sense why it stank crazy gas last night, and why it is hesitating. I am surprised it doesn't burn out of the cat tho. I'm just under the 128,000 :)

I guess when you pay dealers to deflood, perhaps part of their procedure is to disconnect the CAT so it can crank and not worry about dumping fuel into it.

Don't know what they do, but would make sense!

Thx!!

Just an FYI,

They thought my coils were shot, they were replaced, it wasn't the issue.
They thought my CAT was clogged, they replaced it, it wasn't the issue.
They thought my engine was shot, it was replaced, it was shot.

Just an FYI,

They thought my coils were shot, they were replaced, it wasn't the issue.
They thought my CAT was clogged, they replaced it, it wasn't the issue.
They thought my engine was shot, it was replaced, it was shot.

LOL...I hope it ain't that!! It does make sense tho, and fits into the scenario. They are gonna do the compression test to double check the engine so I should know before they make any other changes. Fingers crossed!!

when I was at Ajax, they said they would replace my cat if it was clogged. Keep in mind, mine is US too. Mazda Canada does jack shit sometimes, Mazds US I find is always on the A game.

when I was at Ajax, they said they would replace my cat if it was clogged. Keep in mind, mine is US too. Mazda Canada does jack shit sometimes, Mazds US I find is always on the A game.

So if they say no, they won't replace it, then what?

when I was at Ajax, they said they would replace my cat if it was clogged. Keep in mind, mine is US too. Mazda Canada does jack shit sometimes, Mazds US I find is always on the A game.

Well you didnt buy the car from Canada...I do concurr that Mazda USA, especially Mazdaspeed USA cares about motor racing much more than Mazda Canada most of the time...

There are exceptions tho right Al? :P

take it to Mazda of Toronto, they will or ask Al. It's in the manual what thry have to cover.

federal law requires them to cover it, check mto.

What law? Good find

Cool thx again! Will see what they say tomorrow.

I guess when you pay dealers to deflood, perhaps part of their procedure is to disconnect the CAT so it can crank and not worry about dumping fuel into it.


working for a dealer, this is not the case. deflooding isnt really a big deal on these cars unless its automatic, but you dont disconnect any part of the exhaust. also i dont agree with what you said about all the fuel clogging the cat....our cars are designed to run extra rich so that there is a fuel rich environment in the exhaust which is designed to deal with the extra fuel. cats are normally clogged by oil, which could theoretically be from the flooding you had at the car wash. if the gas isnt burning, neither is the oil thats being injected and while the exhaust should be able to deal with the gas, the unburned oil is another story. it should be easy enough to tell if the cat is actually clogged, but the way dealerships work these days, they will likely just throw parts (and your money if there is no help from warranty) at it. there are gauges that can be used to check exhaust back pressure. also, if they can get it to run, they could check to see how the 02 sonsors are working. ive used this to diagnose bad catalytic converters before (not at mazda though, but im positive they have the same diagnostic capabilities). good luck again, and i hope warranty comes threw for you. i would hold off on a compression test until its a last resort. save the 100 bucks unless the dealer deems it necessary. also, you can compression test it yourselft if you can borrow a gauge from someone, or hell, i could do it for you after the tire season is over if you are just curious at that point. too bad you werent closer to guelph...

Greg

Edit: ive rethought part of my issue with what you said footman about the fuel in the exhaust after looking more at renesis manifolds. i forot that the renesis doenst have the same "thermal reactor" that the older 13bs had and juts have a normal cat, so excess fuel could hurt it. Insert foot in mouth. lol.

Thx again greg!! Well they didn't really ask me if I wanted to do the compression test, they just said they are going to do one. I said it should be covered. I never said go ahead and do it after they told me it was the cat. Either they are after more money, or I don't know what. Bah!!

sounds like they just want your money. get it on a flat bed to guelph city mazda or to scarb mazda. haha.

If oil was being burnt off it would of had a distinct smell. Plus trace of blue smoke. They'll swap the cat for you, if not, I will find that law that requires them too. If not run catless. There is actually a program set up by the minstiry where if you cant pay for a new cat, they will be kinder to you regarding doing your emissions. But emissions arent required on this car yet.

Did they set you up with a rental at least?

sounds like they just want your money. get it on a flat bed to guelph city mazda or to scarb mazda. haha.

I know and wanted to take it to Scar mazda, but since I had the plugs done there I didn't want to have to buy new ones in case they were fuked. Also had to get to work and home etc. It is so much more convenient :(

If oil was being burnt off it would of had a distinct smell. Plus trace of blue smoke. They'll swap the cat for you, if not, I will find that law that requires them too. If not run catless. There is actually a program set up by the minstiry where if you cant pay for a new cat, they will be kinder to you regarding doing your emissions. But emissions arent required on this car yet.

Did they set you up with a rental at least?

Cool pros thx!! Hope so!! Nope no rental, shuttle service so far tho. Couldn't get my booty call again tonight :( damn!!

Question - should I tell them to forget about the compression test if they are going to make me pay for it?

I know and wanted to take it to Scar mazda, but since I had the plugs done there I didn't want to have to buy new ones in case they were fuked. Also had to get to work and home etc. It is so much more convenient :(



Cool pros thx!! Hope so!! Nope no rental, shuttle service so far tho. Couldn't get my booty call again tonight :( damn!!

Question - should I tell them to forget about the compression test if they are going to make me pay for it?

well...i thought you had asked for it...i mean if they think its really necessary for diagnosing the problem i dont know...could be 100 down the drain, alternativly, could find out the motors kaput and then the extended engine warranty takes care of a new engine. just comes down to how much you trust them. they said the problem was the cat being clogged...then why are they trying to charge you 100 dollars for a seemingly redundant test? if they told you they found the problem why check the compression?

Greg

I wouldnt want any surprises down the road. Ask them for a compression, get them to do it out of courtesy if they will. Your at like 125K, there already doing work on the car, might as well. I wouldnt pay for it thou.

well...i thought you had asked for it...i mean if they think its really necessary for diagnosing the problem i dont know...could be 100 down the drain, alternativly, could find out the motors kaput and then the extended engine warranty takes care of a new engine. just comes down to how much you trust them. they said the problem was the cat being clogged...then why are they trying to charge you 100 dollars for a seemingly redundant test? if they told you they found the problem why check the compression?

Greg

I did ask at first, then they said they they would charge me blah blah, but first they would check the CEL and then see if the technician recommended. When they called me they said the CAT and they are ordering the tester. This is when I brought up both points that it should be free. I never once agreed to paying for it!!! I think I will call them in the morning and make sure they don't do it if they are charging me for it, think it is a load of shit. If the engine is gone they are suppose to do the compression test for free which is included in the swap of the engine. Think that's what they are checking into and are suppose to notify me (I believe) before anymore work is done. They better or I am going to lose it!!

I wouldnt want any surprises down the road. Ask them for a compression, get them to do it out of courtesy if they will. Your at like 125K, there already doing work on the car, might as well. I wouldn't pay for it thou.

I want them to do it for free for sure, but thinking it is going to be really pointless. If the engine is blown it is blown they will test it then for free. We shall see!

I think Al should just become Manager of Ajax Mazda ;)

So I called this morning to verify whether they are charging me for the compression test, and they said yes it is not covered. I asked if the mechanic recommended it, she said yes (of course). I said I wanted the compression test if it is covered, and if it isn't I DO NOT want it done. Still waiting to hear about the warranty on the CAT. I said leave it with the CAT for now, see if that fixes the problem, if not then we go from there. They are waiting for a call back from Mazda Can. still.

You know when you get that feeling when dealers are trying to squeeze money out of you, I FUKIN hate it and if I get any more BS going to be losing it on them and it will be showing up at Scarb. Mazda.

So I called this morning to verify whether they are charging me for the compression test, and they said yes it is not covered. I asked if the mechanic recommended it, she said yes (of course). I said I wanted the compression test if it is covered, and if it isn't I DO NOT want it done. Still waiting to hear about the warranty on the CAT. I said leave it with the CAT for now, see if that fixes the problem, if not then we go from there. They are waiting for a call back from Mazda Can. still.

You know when you get that feeling when dealers are trying to squeeze money out of you, I FUKIN hate it and if I get any more BS going to be losing it on them and it will be showing up at Scarb. Mazda.

Why even bother wasting time with them? Just drag it in to Al's.

Why even bother wasting time with them? Just drag it in to Al's.

One cause it is there now, two bought my wires and plugs there (in case they were shot), three close to where I live. If Scar mazda loaned me a car or something I never would have gone to Ajax mazda in the first place.

**update**

Just heard back, they did the compression engine is fine. They ran the car with out the CAT and still rough, so recommend ignition coils to be done and have to replace the CAT.

Quote $3,039.00 WTF!!! They said the CAT is $2,000 something.

Oh they said the CAT is only covered up to 3 years, 96,000km?? WTF?

Recommendations PLZ!!!!!

Footman said CAT is covered by 128,000km or 8 year warranty...right?

Why are they charging you?

Footman said CAT is covered by 128,000km or 8 year warranty...right?

That's what he said, not what the dealership told me. BS!

I am looking for the number to Mazda US.

**UPDATE**

The STUPID MOF are wrong!! I called Mazda US and YES we are covered to 96 months/80,000 MILES = 128747.52km. Stupid fuks!! She thought I said miles, when she puts in her computer KM. Anyhow, they are going to get the CAT done for me over the weekend. They said they said the back fire is still caused by the ignition, which they still want to do.

So...no car for the weekend, no rental car :( fuk, but not paying $3gs. Going to order the ignition mod that Footman mentioned. Anyone know how to install these or should I take it to the shop?

I can't post the link to the Mazda.ca website because they use java and frames. But look under the factory warranty section. It states "specific emissions equipment covered for 8 years or 128,000km whichever comes first"

Then below, it states what "specific emissions equipment" is and here it is cut and pasted:

Emission Defect: Only 3 components are covered: Catalytic converter, Electronic Emissions Control Unit (P.C.M) and the On Board Emissions Diagnostic Device.

Ajax Mazda PWNED!

Are they on f'in crack. Stop wasting your time with the service advisor. Talk to Geoff the service manager. Federal mandate requires a brand new cat on a cat be covered for 8 years. It's the freaking law. Even MOT said they would cover of for me. I'm on iphone give me a sec so I can tether and find it for you. Call Mazda Canada directly. I went thru the same bullshit with MoT, Ali at the front desk is a douche, I went straight to the service manager. Even last year when I went to Avante, hearing how good they were, they wanted me to pay for warranty work, drove straight over to Mazda Can, literally 10 mins away from me, they said WTF is qrob with svante and called them directly.

BHR ignition mid just came out, you won't get yours till like Dec, you could talk to Charles ask him to make an exception, he might, might not. I can install it to you, it's straight forward.

There's a huge preorder on that mod, it's like the wii of car mods.

that dealership used to he so awesome, guess they new business plan has made them lose sight of quality over profit.

Charles said he'll give great pricing on subsequent replacement Yukon coils as well, i'm really looking forward to the mod, signed up for it this week....

So when Al leaves scarboro Mazda, will that turn into shit too?
Al when is your retirement plan?

I'm saving money for BHR next year. by summer/fall 2009, I should be at 40,000km.

BHR ignition mid just came out, you won't get yours till like Dec, you could talk to Charles ask him to make an exception, he might, might not. I can install it to you, it's straight forward.

I msg Charles waiting for a response. I want to get it obviously over night kinda thing ready for Monday. Thx pros I might just have to take you up on that install :)


Thanks to all....yes I dealt with Lynn in service not to happy with her. Not sure if they will be charging me yet for the compression test even tho I said DO NOT!! I will not pay for it, and I'm sure after this will be heading out to scarb, it will be worth a little headache of traveling compared to this kind of big one.

they should have left Sam in advising, thw tohwr one has been mind wiped for profit instead of service.

No worries, Footman you sure you wan to do it at 40 K, any ignition related failure will be blamed on the ignition mod. I would double check with Al first. I think he said it doesn't matter, but if your under 100 K, I would double check first.

"thw tohwr one"???

Pros, you really gotta work on your iphone fingering skills.

that's not what she said

You know...I really think we should all go to one dealership, having a dedicated rx8 mechanic. He may not be the head mechanic there, but he should be really really good around the rotary.

The problem I see for our rotary cars is that most of the mechanics in the dealership are not familiar with the rotary...and its a very delicate engine. Little screw up will fck up the engine big time.

Moreover, it is a very small market. If you are a tech, why do you want to learn rotary engine anyway unless you are passionate about cars. If its just a job, I would rather go for the skills where it will applied to the largest market -- normal engines.

Anyway, the idea is this:
If we all go to that "dealership", and in thee process build the reputation of best rotary service dealership in Toronto, it will

1)Help us, the bitchy rotary owners to be free of noob mechanics who don't know the way around a rotary
2)Help the dealership by giving them more business while having peace of mind that their mechanic is compotent enough to handle the car

Frankly, its a win win situation...we spend MONEY on our cars (AccessPort anyone lol), compare to customers with other models. To them its just a car, to us, its more than a car...

That's why I am going to Scarboro Mazda. Colin is a great guy who is passionate about cars, and he learn fast. Also, we have Mark from Mazauto for super hard problems. He built Al's 13B rotary RACE car, so we got it all covered.

Of course this is just my opinion, but I do think its best for all of us to band together since rotary engine is a rare barnd...

we need to make this club more united, imngonna spear head a local club for us, TREX, or TRX ; Toronto rotary experiment, why do you think none of the dealership fuck with the mazda 3 guys those guys are banded tighther than well , (insert something tight here), rumour has it those guys got 85% of the staff at Agingcourt fired.

the brotherhood of the north needs to unite.

Al shall be our Furier.

it's that or you guys paint a silver tiger, on your car, go into a dealership and no one will mess with you, if they do, you tel them you know a tiger, when they say bs, you tell them to call me.

Agreed guys, it is such a pain in the ass getting there is my only thing. I am working on what I am doing about my coils and hope after the CAT is installed it will at least be ok to drive it home. If pros and I and anyone that would like to help ;) do the ignition install great, if that can't be worked out, will be taking it to Scarb.

Al shall be our Furier.

Der Fuhrer?

More like Rabbi.

I am the China man nazi...Al is the big russian rabbi...tag team yo! :P

Regarding to Rotary group, I remembered we have this discussion a few months before. We just don't have enough people to form a official rotary rx8 GTA/tronto group. HOWEVER, we do have enough ppl to have a unified voice for better services from dealership - in this case, a dealership that actually cares about motorsports and have people in there who are passionate about cars.

And everyone knows people who drive rotary cars are crazy...

More like Rabbi.

I am the China man nazi...Al is the big russian rabbi...tag team yo! :P

Regarding to Rotary group, I remembered we have this discussion a few months before. We just don't have enough people to form a official rotary rx8 GTA/tronto group. HOWEVER, we do have enough ppl to have a unified voice for better services from dealership - in this case, a dealership that actually cares about motorsports and have people in there who are passionate about cars.

And everyone knows people who drive rotary cars are crazy...

Starting to sound like a cult...are you our leader?? All HAIL Kafka ;) lol

kaf....KA....kaf...KA!:bowdown: i remember seeing the mock-up banners you guys made up, looked pretty good!

Agreed guys, it is such a pain in the ass getting there is my only thing. I am working on what I am doing about my coils and hope after the CAT is installed it will at least be ok to drive it home. If pros and I and anyone that would like to help ;) do the ignition install great, if that can't be worked out, will be taking it to Scarb.

I'll gladly give ya a hand installing it. Hopefully you get it soon while the weather is nice.

I'm actually going to wash n wax my car tonight... yay.

OK. You fuckers be the ones to drink the poisoned fruit punch.

i would suggest guelph city mazda for your group if not for two reasons. obviously guelph is pretty far for most of you, also we are a small shop, so its hard to deal with drop ins. other than that, our techs all know alot about rotaries. all of them have owned and loved one at one time or another. all of them are enthusiastic about motorsports in general. hell, even a few weeks back we had a VR 8 come in with a greddy exhaust. when i pulled it in the shop and gave it a little blip, all work in the shop stopped for everyone to see why it sounded so awesome. our parts and service department is very friendly and fair. they always explore any warranty possibilities before even considering the cost going to the customer. Like i said though, small shop so you need an apointment if you want something done in any sort of timely fashion. and also, im there, so you have a rotary owner and enthusiast keeping everything in check. haha.

about this ignition mod...so is it even out yet? from the sounds of it noo ne has run it yet (or at least not for very long) and everyone is acting like its the be all and end all of rotary modding....ill wait and see what happens after its on the market for some time...for now mazda OE is good enough for me.

Oh, also marc, if you need another set of hands to help with the install i will gladly make the drive from guelph to help out. i'd like to see the setup myself anyways.

Greg

I'll gladly give ya a hand installing it. Hopefully you get it soon while the weather is nice.

I'm actually going to wash n wax my car tonight... yay.

Ya today would have been nice. Thanks man I would really appreciate it. Have you installed them before?


Only prob Greg it's far for everyone to go there. Thx man!!! Waiting to hear about the coils then set up a coil install meet :) I'm really interested to work on the install as well.

another update

Unfortunately I will be waiting (hopefully only a couple weeks) for the BHR upgrade. There is a list of people and Charles has to follow it which I completely respect. Great guy to talk to btw!!

So I'm picking up some used working coils to hold me over, until I get the kit. Just waiting for them to show up now.

Ya today would have been nice. Thanks man I would really appreciate it. Have you installed them before?


Only prob Greg it's far for everyone to go there. Thx man!!! Waiting to hear about the coils then set up a coil install meet :) I'm really interested to work on the install as well.

no.. but I stayed at a Holiday Inn once.

Seriously though.. from what I can recall it's not that bad... a bit of a pain in the ass... but not difficult. Really it's all down to RTFM.

no.. but I stayed at a Holiday Inn once.

Seriously though.. from what I can recall it's not that bad... a bit of a pain in the ass... but not difficult. Really it's all down to RTFM.

Cool!! Might need your help twice with some used OEM coils until I get the BHR's shipped to me.

Will I be the first GTA/Ontario boy to have these? or has anyone else put their name on the list?

Cool!! Might need your help twice with some used OEM coils until I get the BHR's shipped to me.


No worries dude... just let me know when you have em...

Got the car back yet?

No worries dude... just let me know when you have em...

Used OEM ones supposed to be shipped out today. Hope to get them by the end of the week (latest).

Got the car back yet?

Nope :( :( The CAT is supposed to be installed today, awaiting a phone call. Very interested to see if they are charging me for the compression test.

Anyone want a free USED fuked up CAT? You could bore it out and be like pros :)

Question - Under this Service Bulletin from Mazda, should my coils not be covered under the warranty??

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/pdf/rx8/bulletin/01-014-08-1924g.pdf

**update**

I called Ajax mazda and they couldn't find or have this bulletin! I had to fax it to them :lol2: weak!!

Question - Under this Service Bulletin from Mazda, should my coils not be covered under the warranty??

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/pdf/rx8/bulletin/01-014-08-1924g.pdf

short answer. No.

If it's not a recall, you're not covered. TSB's are suggestions.

short answer. No.

If it's not a recall, you're not covered. TSB's are suggestions.

Did you read the bottom of it? It says warranty covered. Worth a shot any how and see what they say. It is a 8 year, 100,000 mile warranty covered issue, lack of engine power, which I got when the CAT was fuked.

I believe coils are classified as normal wear/tear items along with stuff like plugs, oil filters, etc...

In addition, stuff like fuel pumps are also not covered by the powertrain warranty! I just read that in the fine print!

I believe coils are classified as normal wear/tear items along with stuff like plugs, oil filters, etc...

In addition, stuff like fuel pumps are also not covered by the powertrain warranty! I just read that in the fine print!

Well they put in the warranty claim, will wait and see. Maybe they are only covered the engine is blown. The way it reads it sounds like they are, but I don't know. Again they didn't even know about the CAT for christ sakes!!

best of luck to you on that..

**UPDATE**

Well the coils are not covered and they HIGHLY recommend I don't drive the car until they are fixed. It's now been 6 days without my car, when this should have been all done and figured out last Friday (at the latest). I have asked to speak to the service manager when I get there.

I am going to have my 8 towed backed to my house where it will sit until my used OEM coils are delivered and installed (I hope to hell this weekend!!!!!!! ;) ).

BTW - a high flow cat is only $450us, and an OEM one is only $1200us. Where they where gonna charge me $2000++.

Coils installed $426 how the hell is that? OEM coils for $28us each = $112us. So a $300 plus mark up on these things and labour. It is NOT a 2 hour job!!! CRAZY

So in a wrap up:

First initial call from Ajax Mazda quote $3,050ish (CAT supposedly not covered under warranty).

I had to do the research to prove the CAT is under warranty (which it was) and they did it for free.

Won't cover the coils.

They did the compression test for free, which was an argument about being covered in the first place.

Now my battery is dead!! They said because I had trouble starting it lol...what a load of shit!

Total cost so far was to diagnose the problem $98 plus tax.

Speak to Geoff Thompson directly, he is the Ajax Service Manager. I believe email is geoff.thompson@ajaxmazda.com.

Dont waste your time with a high flow cat, a search on the forum will reveal most turn to shit, essentially straight pipes. Get them to cover it through the warranty, if not got double resonated midpipe. The car runs rich in the winter moreso, so no problems regarding the smell in the winter. Maybe next year you could invest in the Cobb, considering your looking into the ignition upgrade, the Cobb will lean out the mixture and less reak.

If you still need to get your CAT replaced call Mazda Canada directly, ask for Mikhail, a Russian dude, he helped me resort everything when I was looking to get the CAT replaced at Mazda of Toronto.

Speak to Geoff Thompson directly, he is the Ajax Service Manager. I believe email is geoff.thompson@ajaxmazda.com.

Dont waste your time with a high flow cat, a search on the forum will reveal most turn to shit, essentially straight pipes. Get them to cover it through the warranty, if not got double resonated midpipe. The car runs rich in the winter moreso, so no problems regarding the smell in the winter. Maybe next year you could invest in the Cobb, considering your looking into the ignition upgrade, the Cobb will lean out the mixture and less reak.

If you still need to get your CAT replaced call Mazda Canada directly, ask for Mikhail, a Russian dude, he helped me resort everything when I was looking to get the CAT replaced at Mazda of Toronto.

I am going to talk to him tonight!

No no man...they did cover it after I had to prove it was covered. Just not the coils.

Wonder if driving home 5 min with bad coils would really fuk my new cat that much?

since this is a public forum I say "NO"

since this is a public forum I say "NO"

LOL...I don't want to chance it anyways so gonna tow it. I hope to shit I get the coils for the weekend.

Greg from Ajax Mazda seems like a good guy!!

I guess a year ago, you would of had a rental car and new coils. That dealership needs to sit down and think about how things were a year and a half ago.

Qaulity over Money.

I guess a year ago, you would of had a rental car and new coils. That dealership needs to sit down and think about how things were a year and a half ago.

Qaulity over Money.

Agree!! From now on Scar Mazda is where my sexy little blue girl will be heading.

Now bring on my coils damn it!!!!!!

Thank again for everyone's input!!! It's awesome how this club helps each other out.

Cheers!!

Thank again for everyone's input!!! It's awesome how this club helps each other out.

Cheers!!

Assuming no one oversleeps :P :evil_laug

Assuming no one oversleeps :P :evil_laug

:lol2: I knew I wouldn't live that down. If you really wanted someone to install stuff on your car with only 1 hour of sleep in the past 30 hours, I was your man :p

Ah don't worry about it. Just make sure you help me with the BHR ignition next year ;)

Ah don't worry about it. Just make sure you help me with the BHR ignition next year ;)

haha...I never was :-p

Think I will be helping out a few peeps. That upgrade is a little different install. Hope to get it by the end of Nov. and at that time a garage I'm sure will be needed.

Wow i think our cars are destined cuz I just had the same problem as you thumper...

Yesterday morning I tried starting the car and the same symptoms that your car had occurred...
I started it, held onto the ignition for like 2 seconds before it caught, and when it did, it was BARELY running, like the engine sounded like it was half running, the CEL started to flash, I got out of my car to take a look and there were NO exhaust fumes coming out from the back, got back in the car, it was idling really rough, started to smell smoke, opened the hood and saw some smoke coming out, put the car into 1st gear and tried to move her a bit on my drive way but the throttle was barely responding...

I had my car towed to the dealership yesterday morning, I called them this afternoon and they scanned it, but they STILL don't know whats wrong with it. They said they have to call the tech ppl at Mazda to find out what tests to do before they can find the problem...
I think that is PURE BS...what are those mechanics at the dealership good for if they don't even know how to fix one of their own cars?

So from reading your ENTIRE thread, I guess the coils and CAT needs to be replaced eh? I just had them change the plugs in july so those are still under warranty, should I ask them to change them again anyways?
Also I read that you talked them into giving you a free compression test? Should I ask them to do a compression test too and if they try to charge me I'll just argue with them explaining that it suppose to be covered?

I also read you ignition coil install post, so your girl is running like brand new again right? No more problems?

Wow i think our cars are destined cuz I just had the same problem as you thumper...

Yesterday morning I tried starting the car and the same symptoms that your car had occurred...
I started it, held onto the ignition for like 2 seconds before it caught, and when it did, it was BARELY running, like the engine sounded like it was half running, the CEL started to flash, I got out of my car to take a look and there were NO exhaust fumes coming out from the back, got back in the car, it was idling really rough, started to smell smoke, opened the hood and saw some smoke coming out, put the car into 1st gear and tried to move her a bit on my drive way but the throttle was barely responding...

I had my car towed to the dealership yesterday morning, I called them this afternoon and they scanned it, but they STILL don't know whats wrong with it. They said they have to call the tech ppl at Mazda to find out what tests to do before they can find the problem...
I think that is PURE BS...what are those mechanics at the dealership good for if they don't even know how to fix one of their own cars?

So from reading your ENTIRE thread, I guess the coils and CAT needs to be replaced eh? I just had them change the plugs in july so those are still under warranty, should I ask them to change them again anyways?
Also I read that you talked them into giving you a free compression test? Should I ask them to do a compression test too and if they try to charge me I'll just argue with them explaining that it suppose to be covered?

I also read you ignition coil install post, so your girl is running like brand new again right? No more problems?

Hey man shitty deal!! That pretty much sounds exactly the same dealio I had to the tee! Yes call them and tell the to check the CAT, 99% sure that will be the cause. Also ask them to run the car without the CAT on to see if it is idling smooth or not. They ran mine with no CAT and came to the conclusion the coils were gone, since it was still running rough. They can also do a test on the coils to really see if they are fuked or not, but doubt they will do that. As I posted your CAT (depending on how many miles/km you have on your car) will be replaced for free. You can ask them to check your plugs, but most likely they won't say they will need to be changed (since that will cost them money) and that they should be ok cause they were only just changed. I did get a free compression test via lots of bitching, but originally they said they were going to charge me. Via the engine replacement procedure, they are suppose to do the compression test to make sure your engine is alright. Ask for it, but don't pay for it!! Also mention you are part of this forum and everything happening with your car at this dealership is going to be posted. :)

That is pretty weak they have to make a call to find out what to do next. One thing and only thing I can say about Ajax Mazda, the mechanics seem good and nice guys to talk to. The front desk, different story.

What CEL did you get btw? Sounds like a miss fire. Yup once I got the CAT and new/used OEM coils installed runs like gravy!! But can't wait for the BHR kit to make her run even smoother.

GL!

Hey man shitty deal!! That pretty much sounds exactly the same dealio I had to the tee! Yes call them and tell the to check the CAT, 99% sure that will be the cause. Also ask them to run the car without the CAT on to see if it is idling smooth or not. They ran mine with no CAT and came to the conclusion the coils were gone, since it was still running rough. They can also do a test on the coils to really see if they are fuked or not, but doubt they will do that. As I posted your CAT (depending on how many miles/km you have on your car) will be replaced for free. You can ask them to check your plugs, but most likely they won't say they will need to be changed (since that will cost them money) and that they should be ok cause they were only just changed. I did get a free compression test via lots of bitching, but originally they said they were going to charge me. Via the engine replacement procedure, they are suppose to do the compression test to make sure your engine is alright. Ask for it, but don't pay for it!! Also mention you are part of this forum and everything happening with your car at this dealership is going to be posted. :)

That is pretty weak they have to make a call to find out what to do next. One thing and only thing I can say about Ajax Mazda, the mechanics seem good and nice guys to talk to. The front desk, different story.

What CEL did you get btw? Sounds like a miss fire. Yup once I got the CAT and new/used OEM coils installed runs like gravy!! But can't wait for the BHR kit to make her run even smoother.

GL!

They said it was like 301 or something, yes a miss fire, but they just gave me the same story...miss fire, could be the plugs, could be the coils, could be the injectors blah blah blah...and so they need to wait for the mazda tech ppl to call them back to tell them what tests to run...

Did the mechanics tell you how to prevent your coils or crap like this from happening again? Like I love this car but it's so fragile...I want to ride it till it dies but I don't want it to die like in a year ya know? I can't afford to have the coils changed like every other month...

So instead of getting the stealership to do the coils for you, you bought OEM ones and installed it yourself? your DIY SEEMED straight fwd and idiot proof...heh heh

They said it was like 301 or something, yes a miss fire, but they just gave me the same story...miss fire, could be the plugs, could be the coils, could be the injectors blah blah blah...and so they need to wait for the mazda tech ppl to call them back to tell them what tests to run...

Did the mechanics tell you how to prevent your coils or crap like this from happening again? Like I love this car but it's so fragile...I want to ride it till it dies but I don't want it to die like in a year ya know? I can't afford to have the coils changed like every other month...

So instead of getting the stealership to do the coils for you, you bought OEM ones and installed it yourself? your DIY SEEMED straight fwd and idiot proof...heh heh

Doubt it's the injectors, haven't heard of really any problems with them. Sounds like they have to wait for mazda to get back to them, so they can sign off on their time and get paid for it. Your plugs should be fine since you had them done in July.

You have to drive the card hard, redline every day and such, stop the carbon build up. It builds up in the CAT and then starts clogging it and melting it. The OEM coils suck!! Get the BHR upgrade as I'm doing and by the sounds of it will last your 3 times longer, better for the plugs, burn, engine etc...

Ya I got used OEM ones for right now so my car was back on the road and waiting in line for the BHR coil kit upgrade. Yup it's pretty straight forward install. Where you from btw?

It seems to be a bit fragile, but with the best parts, coils, plugs, wires, battery, starter etc...she is all good! :)

Doubt it's the injectors, haven't heard of really any problems with them. Sounds like they have to wait for mazda to get back to them, so they can sign off on their time and get paid for it. Your plugs should be fine since you had them done in July.

You have to drive the card hard, redline every day and such, stop the carbon build up. It builds up in the CAT and then starts clogging it and melting it. The OEM coils suck!! Get the BHR upgrade as I'm doing and by the sounds of it will last your 3 times longer, better for the plugs, burn, engine etc...

Ya I got used OEM ones for right now so my car was back on the road and waiting in line for the BHR coil kit upgrade. Yup it's pretty straight forward install. Where you from btw?

It seems to be a bit fragile, but with the best parts, coils, plugs, wires, battery, starter etc...she is all good! :)


ICIC so unlike piston engine cars, redlining is good for our car lol... ensures carbon gets burned up and keeps the tubes clear, thats always important =)
Good thing gas prices are dropping =D

I'm in scarlem, near pacific mall, ya know? where all the asian ppl congregate there on weekends and the parking lot is full of drivers that CANT drive....
I'll definitely look intothe BHR coil kit, I guess I'll just go to the same link that one of the other members posted on your thread right?
Any idea how much longer the wait is gonna be?

So I just spoke with the service guy and he said the engine was flooded with gas... =O
So they drained it now and waiting for it to dry b4 they try running the car again.

I told him about your situation and how you got the cat replaced and the service guy said he can't do it cuz the code saying that the CAT is shot didn't come up. He said if the CAT was dead, a code would come up showing that, and if that code doesn't come up, it's not covered under warranty. So do you remember if the ajax guys replaced your CAT under warranty b/c you had the code that said the CAT was dead? Or how did they determine that your CAT was dead?

So I just spoke with the service guy and he said the engine was flooded with gas... =O
So they drained it now and waiting for it to dry b4 they try running the car again.

I told him about your situation and how you got the cat replaced and the service guy said he can't do it cuz the code saying that the CAT is shot didn't come up. He said if the CAT was dead, a code would come up showing that, and if that code doesn't come up, it's not covered under warranty. So do you remember if the ajax guys replaced your CAT under warranty b/c you had the code that said the CAT was dead? Or how did they determine that your CAT was dead?

Those are weird symptoms just with the engine flooded, especially with nothin coming out of your exhaust. Hope that's all there is to it, but usually if the engine is flooded it won't start, and if it does start as yours did it will clear itself out by pushing the gas out and burning it off.

There is a code that says your CAT is fuked lol... haven't heard of that one. There is a list of codes and what they mean on this site, gonna see if I can find that one. Maybe a back pressure code or some shit. Ask them what code number comes up when the CAT is fuked? It is so covered under warranty if it is fuked, regardless of the code. There was NO code that said my CAT was dead, I was getting miss fires, thx to the back up from the CAT and the coils. They looked at my CAT and it was melted. Sounds like they don't want to look into it much for you. Once you are done with that dealership, I wouldn't be taking it back there, since they don't know shit, by the sounds of it.

They will know more when they start it up again, and if it's still running like crap they will have to do more investigation obviously.

Where are you located?

Those are weird symptoms just with the engine flooded, especially with nothin coming out of your exhaust. Hope that's all there is to it, but usually if the engine is flooded it won't start, and if it does start as yours did it will clear itself out by pushing the gas out and burning it off.

There is a code that says your CAT is fuked lol... haven't heard of that one. There is a list of codes and what they mean on this site, gonna see if I can find that one. Maybe a back pressure code or some shit. Ask them what code number comes up when the CAT is fuked? It is so covered under warranty if it is fuked, regardless of the code. There was NO code that said my CAT was dead, I was getting miss fires, thx to the back up from the CAT and the coils. They looked at my CAT and it was melted. Sounds like they don't want to look into it much for you. Once you are done with that dealership, I wouldn't be taking it back there, since they don't know shit, by the sounds of it.

They will know more when they start it up again, and if it's still running like crap they will have to do more investigation obviously.

Where are you located?

Yeah you're right, after they drain it and try starting and if the car is still screwed, it means its something else, does this mean they are gonna bill for all the time they are spending on this?

I guess u missed the msg i posted before my last one, I posted 2 in a row heh, I'm in scarborough, kennedy/steeles area.

ICIC so unlike piston engine cars, redlining is good for our car lol... ensures carbon gets burned up and keeps the tubes clear, thats always important =)
Good thing gas prices are dropping =D

I'm in scarlem, near pacific mall, ya know? where all the asian ppl congregate there on weekends and the parking lot is full of drivers that CANT drive....
I'll definitely look intothe BHR coil kit, I guess I'll just go to the same link that one of the other members posted on your thread right?
Any idea how much longer the wait is gonna be?

Ya missed this msg my bad! LOL...more or less! ya just use that link and msg Charles Hill nice guy!! Dude why aren't you taking your car to Scarb Mazda? It will be a night a day difference I'm sure on what the mechanics know there compared to where your car is now.

Yeah you're right, after they drain it and try starting and if the car is still screwed, it means its something else, does this mean they are gonna bill for all the time they are spending on this?

I guess u missed the msg i posted before my last one, I posted 2 in a row heh, I'm in scarborough, kennedy/steeles area.

It should only be the diagnostic on it. Which is around $100 depending on the place. That BETTER cover diagnosing the car and from there you get charged the big bucks to fix it. I'm surprised they drained it tho. I have heard of dealers just doing the deflood on them, but that's after they aren't starting. huh...wait and see. Tell them to start blowing into the engine to dry it out ;)

Ya missed this msg my bad! LOL...more or less! ya just use that link and msg Charles Hill nice guy!! Dude why aren't you taking your car to Scarb Mazda? It will be a night a day difference I'm sure on what the mechanics know there compared to where your car is now.



It should only be the diagnostic on it. Which is around $100 depending on the place. That BETTER cover diagnosing the car and from there you get charged the big bucks to fix it. I'm surprised they drained it tho. I have heard of dealers just doing the deflood on them, but that's after they aren't starting. huh...wait and see. Tell them to start blowing into the engine to dry it out ;)

Yo I never knew Scarb maz was the place to go! If only work didn't take up all my time, I would've surfed the forums more and found out. I used up my friends last tow on his CAA so any more towing after this will be $$. If these guys at agincourt still can't figure out the problem, I just might pay to tow it to Scarb maz.

haha blow on it, they called me back and said they will replace the plugs, still under warranty so don't have to worry bout that.
keep ya posted...

Yo I never knew Scarb maz was the place to go! If only work didn't take up all my time, I would've surfed the forums more and found out. I used up my friends last tow on his CAA so any more towing after this will be $$. If these guys at agincourt still can't figure out the problem, I just might pay to tow it to Scarb maz.

haha blow on it, they called me back and said they will replace the plugs, still under warranty so don't have to worry bout that.
keep ya posted...

replacing the plugs good shit!! Surprised they are doing that! how many km on the car? hope you get the new CAT. Get that, new plugs, BHR kit and wires, she will run sooo smooth!! :)

replacing the plugs good shit!! Surprised they are doing that! how many km on the car? hope you get the new CAT. Get that, new plugs, BHR kit and wires, she will run sooo smooth!! :)

So they changed the plugs and it started fine, looks like it was just cuz the engine was flooded with gas.
That's a sigh of relief....
Guess I'll order the BHR kit now incase the coils die out in the near future...

Anyways, keep me posted when you're gonna install the BHR, I'd definitely would want to see how to do it.

How many kms on your 8 nugimus?

How many kms on your 8 nugimus?

65k's and it's an '04

Sorry thumper if I'm jacking your thread lol

FYI to all rx8 owners if you don't already know, you CANNOT let go of the ignition until it catches, even if it takes 10 secs, if you do you flood your engine and you'll be scccccrreeeewed x 100

I never did that but my engine still got flooded, don't know why but oh well....the dealer said its running now so I can't wait to pick her up and see how she feels now.

65k's and it's an '04

Sorry thumper if I'm jacking your thread lol

FYI to all rx8 owners if you don't already know, you CANNOT let go of the ignition until it catches, even if it takes 10 secs, if you do you flood your engine and you'll be scccccrreeeewed x 100

I never did that but my engine still got flooded, don't know why but oh well....the dealer said its running now so I can't wait to pick her up and see how she feels now.

NP man lol!!

But you said you had it running which is weird, it should have cleaned it's self out. I did last night by accident :-p and tried again and np. MT has an easier deflood procedure, push start it :)

Plugs fowled up would case unburnt fuel for sure. Two 8's two plug problems lol. Prob a good idea on the BHR kit, especially since you just got new plugs. I will put up a thread as to when I am going to install them, and all will be welcome to come.

Good shit man!!

So finally picked up the car this morning from the dealer. It was caked on with snow....
They didn't change me anything, not even the scan.
So I'm happy.
She feels strong, gave her a good boot coming home.
Need to get winter tires on this weekend though, pulling out of the dealership I was already fish tailing lol

One thing the service guy told me was I gotta drive the car harder. This car is meant to be pushed.
So if I ever get pulled over by the cop, I'll just tell him the mazda guy told me I had to do it. LOL I'm sure the cop will understand =)

Actually, I believe 8 owners are the only drivers exempt from the 150kmh racing law. "Listen officer, I was just decarbonizing the engine", "Ah, right..you got one-a them no pistons whacka-ma-trons aintcha? No worries then, continue."

So finally picked up the car this morning from the dealer. It was caked on with snow....
They didn't change me anything, not even the scan.
So I'm happy.
She feels strong, gave her a good boot coming home.
Need to get winter tires on this weekend though, pulling out of the dealership I was already fish tailing lol

One thing the service guy told me was I gotta drive the car harder. This car is meant to be pushed.
So if I ever get pulled over by the cop, I'll just tell him the mazda guy told me I had to do it. LOL I'm sure the cop will understand =)

Wow! awesome man!! Sounds like a good dealership after all!! When they replaced my CAT under warranty, I was still charge the diagnostic of course $110.00. I was sooooo going to the wrong dealership.

Yup don't ya luv having a car that they say drive the shit out of it ;) That's why I luv track days, it's GOOD for the car lol.

Actually, I believe 8 owners are the only drivers exempt from the 150kmh racing law. "Listen officer, I was just decarbonizing the engine", "Ah, right..you got one-a them no pistons whacka-ma-trons aintcha? No worries then, continue."

HELL YA!! we should be exempt damn it!! Or at least allowed to push her hard going do the road, instead of it being considered 'street racing'.

I just did about 2 hours of reading and research on this forum to come to figure that my CAT is melted. I'm going to book an appointment with St. Catharines Mazda tomorrow to try to get them to take a look at it. After that I'm going to probably get a quote of near $2000. I'll follow that up by arguing tooth and nail. I'll let everyone know how I make out.

How you figure it is melted? What's going on with your car?

Ask to have Steve Oddy work on the car.

I raced the last 2 years with him, he's a fellow die hard rotary guy,
has an old 85 Rx-7, and older MGB with a 12a.

I don't go there anymore personally, got in a fight with the blondie
about the rim that was curbed when I dropped the car off for an oil change.

The first time it was done it looked like shit, the second time looked almost ok,
but still like ass.


The paint is flaking off now :(

I don't know if this is many people's first rotary but from going through this thread I think it would be worthwhile to note many things. I do not know the 8 very well you but intend on doing so through ownership but many hard lessons learned from the FD I hope can be transitioned over to the FE.

Firstly of paramount importance to the rotary is in not any particular importance:
-Exhaust backpressure
-Ignition Quality
-Lubrication Systems
-Fuel Lubricant Additives

In generating an engine which makes close to the same power from Mazda as the turbocharged 13B-Rew, Mazda looked to maximize each and every area it could all while trying to build an "affordable" sportscar, I think we can see the paradox coming.

Added to the problem of maximum performance and maximum value is that of maximum profit for service station operators. I would be curious to see the reaction the face of the Head of Service of your local stealership when you ask him what the ZDDP count is in the oil that he uses to service your rotary. Or even ask him what kind if he knows of any zinc additives used in the motor oil they use to service your car, once again eugh ahhh ummm should be the answer you receive. Probably they are using the black bottle that says Mazda 10w30 or w/e on it and that is as far as their concern extends.

For those of you wanting to learn more from someone who knows more I suggest you search 'howard coleman's oil analysis' thread on rx7club.com.

Now what does this all mean, first your local dealership doesn't have the heart/business logic combination to make informed decisions on the life of your rotary engine. Second they blame problems related with the above points I have given on user error rather than acknowledging it as service incompetence.

The use of crappy oils can be tolerated, if that is the right word in a car in which the rotating assembly bathes in oil. But in a car in which the rotating assembly injects oil and the combustion chamber sees oil injection this is unacceptable.

Shitty oil and service intervals that are too long lead to carbon deposits in the combustion chamber which means shortened catalyzer life, foul plugs, shortened injector life, seal problems due to improper seating of the sideseals and improper apex seal performance. Naturally all of this is your fault:eyetwitch

The first step in solving your problems is to be either performing your oil changes yourself or insuring that your mechanic is using an oil that contains zddp or more than 80 (bare minimum). Also you should be premixing with a good two stroke (Idemitsu for example) and changing your plugs and coils MORE often than the service schedule calls for.

I change plugs at each oil change (3000km) or every second oil change and every 4th oil change change the fuel filter for example.

I am stunned to see the price of your coils FD coils are like 160$ EACH, at the price they are on the 8 my maitenance schedule would probably include changing them every 25,000kms.

I know there is more I want to say or maybe I am confused in what I am saying it is late:lol2:

Wow i think our cars are destined cuz I just had the same problem as you thumper...

Yesterday morning I tried starting the car and the same symptoms that your car had occurred...
I started it, held onto the ignition for like 2 seconds before it caught, and when it did, it was BARELY running, like the engine sounded like it was half running, the CEL started to flash, I got out of my car to take a look and there were NO exhaust fumes coming out from the back, got back in the car, it was idling really rough, started to smell smoke, opened the hood and saw some smoke coming out, put the car into 1st gear and tried to move her a bit on my drive way but the throttle was barely responding...

I had my car towed to the dealership yesterday morning, I called them this afternoon and they scanned it, but they STILL don't know whats wrong with it. They said they have to call the tech ppl at Mazda to find out what tests to do before they can find the problem...
I think that is PURE BS...what are those mechanics at the dealership good for if they don't even know how to fix one of their own cars?

So from reading your ENTIRE thread, I guess the coils and CAT needs to be replaced eh? I just had them change the plugs in july so those are still under warranty, should I ask them to change them again anyways?
Also I read that you talked them into giving you a free compression test? Should I ask them to do a compression test too and if they try to charge me I'll just argue with them explaining that it suppose to be covered?

I also read you ignition coil install post, so your girl is running like brand new again right? No more problems?


OH MAN samething happened again guys.....
You know how cold it was last night, I tried starting it and it barely started, same symptoms as stated above from a few months ago.....
I had the car serviced at Againcourt mazda, so if its the plugs again, they will probably replace them free cuz of warranty on them (they were replaced in like Nov), but from being on this forum, I can tell that Scarb Maz is the place to take your car to...so Al, if I bring the car to you, will Scarb Maz recognize the warranty on the plugs?
I'm guessing none of the dealerships are opened today so probably have it towed on Sat. Let me know Al and I'll bring the car to you...

OH MAN samething happened again guys.....
You know how cold it was last night, I tried starting it and it barely started, same symptoms as stated above from a few months ago.....
I had the car serviced at Againcourt mazda, so if its the plugs again, they will probably replace them free cuz of warranty on them (they were replaced in like Nov), but from being on this forum, I can tell that Scarb Maz is the place to take your car to...so Al, if I bring the car to you, will Scarb Maz recognize the warranty on the plugs?
I'm guessing none of the dealerships are opened today so probably have it towed on Sat. Let me know Al and I'll bring the car to you...

I stopped going to Agincourt cuz they really don't seem to care too much about your car. And they don't seem to be the most knowledgable either.

I stopped going to Agincourt cuz they really don't seem to care too much about your car. And they don't seem to be the most knowledgable either.

Good call, I'll give scarb maz a call tm...hopefully they will honor the warranty on the plugs....

OH MAN samething happened again guys.....
You know how cold it was last night, I tried starting it and it barely started, same symptoms as stated above from a few months ago.....
I had the car serviced at Againcourt mazda, so if its the plugs again, they will probably replace them free cuz of warranty on them (they were replaced in like Nov), but from being on this forum, I can tell that Scarb Maz is the place to take your car to...so Al, if I bring the car to you, will Scarb Maz recognize the warranty on the plugs?
I'm guessing none of the dealerships are opened today so probably have it towed on Sat. Let me know Al and I'll bring the car to you...

That sucks! Doubt it is your plugs tho if they only got replaced in Nov. Keep us posted!

That sucks! Doubt it is your plugs tho if they only got replaced in Nov. Keep us posted!

Looks like it's the coils....have to get 2 of them replaced...

Dude I wouldn't do two, do all four. Don't do a dealer (sorry Al) it is crazy expensive and you can buy them new for just over $100 and it's a 10-15 min install or a $400+ dealer job.

Dude I wouldn't do two, do all four. Don't do a dealer (sorry Al) it is crazy expensive and you can buy them new for just over $100 and it's a 10-15 min install or a $400+ dealer job.

speaking of which... you get your new ones yet?

Heh... Scarb Mazda was 8 central yesterday... went to get some stuff looked at for my car (looks like I need a new CAT) and there was like 7-8 of them just sitting there..

speaking of which... you get your new ones yet?

Heh... Scarb Mazda was 8 central yesterday... went to get some stuff looked at for my car (looks like I need a new CAT) and there was like 7-8 of them just sitting there..

NOPE :icon_no2: and it went up another $110 us!!! NOT happy about that!

Man what's going on lately!! So many problems it seems. Get the CAT before warranty is up :)

NOPE :icon_no2: and it went up another $110 us!!! NOT happy about that!

Man what's going on lately!! So many problems it seems. Get the CAT before warranty is up :)

Really? Did you pay a deposit before or what? Sucks dude.

Mehhhh.. for the cat I'm not really all that surprised. I don't actually think the place I bought the car from did the safety / emissions tests on the car. I think they paid someone off to pass it. Hell... the rear passenger tail light bulb was rolling around in the light assembly when I picked up the car (didn't notice until the second day I owned it)... that would normally flag a failure.

In terms of the cat... i've been getting EXTREMELY crappy fuel economy (more so then usual) ever since I got the car... would average like 225 - 275 km out of a tank... driving around at 3000rpm all day. Plus there is a noticable lack of power in first and second now... bpth. Anyways.. hopefully this takes care of things.

Dude I wouldn't do two, do all four. Don't do a dealer (sorry Al) it is crazy expensive and you can buy them new for just over $100 and it's a 10-15 min install or a $400+ dealer job.
The coils were about $100 something each + another $100 somethign for labor+ another 100 for the scan. I got no choice but to let them do it, who am I going to ask to tow the car back to my house, plus I don't know how to install the coils.

Really? Did you pay a deposit before or what? Sucks dude.

Mehhhh.. for the cat I'm not really all that surprised. I don't actually think the place I bought the car from did the safety / emissions tests on the car. I think they paid someone off to pass it. Hell... the rear passenger tail light bulb was rolling around in the light assembly when I picked up the car (didn't notice until the second day I owned it)... that would normally flag a failure.

In terms of the cat... i've been getting EXTREMELY crappy fuel economy (more so then usual) ever since I got the car... would average like 225 - 275 km out of a tank... driving around at 3000rpm all day. Plus there is a noticable lack of power in first and second now... bpth. Anyways.. hopefully this takes care of things.

If you are replacing the cat, they won't do it under warranty unless the warning light for it is on right?

If you are replacing the cat, they won't do it under warranty unless the warning light for it is on right?

Well... they hooked it up to the scanner and the readouts were pooched.. apparently there's a recall or TSB or something for the issue I was having. The emissions system is under an 8 year warantee so I don't see how they could charge me for something that's still falls under that...

Really? Did you pay a deposit before or what? Sucks dude.

Mehhhh.. for the cat I'm not really all that surprised. I don't actually think the place I bought the car from did the safety / emissions tests on the car. I think they paid someone off to pass it. Hell... the rear passenger tail light bulb was rolling around in the light assembly when I picked up the car (didn't notice until the second day I owned it)... that would normally flag a failure.

In terms of the cat... i've been getting EXTREMELY crappy fuel economy (more so then usual) ever since I got the car... would average like 225 - 275 km out of a tank... driving around at 3000rpm all day. Plus there is a noticable lack of power in first and second now... bpth. Anyways.. hopefully this takes care of things.

No no deposit, but waiting list since Oct I guess it is now and told I would have them at the end of Nov. :rant: Don't know if I really wanna pay an extra $110us for them, total then is $700ish cad :icon_no2:

Shitty that is bad fuel economy!! Mine is much much worse in the winter it seems.

The coils were about $100 something each + another $100 somethign for labor+ another 100 for the scan. I got no choice but to let them do it, who am I going to ask to tow the car back to my house, plus I don't know how to install the coils.

That's not so bad. The quote I got just for the coils and install was $405+ tax, plus $98 scan. One guy mentioned he left it at a dealer, installed them there and drove away lol. CAA tow home, I did a write up on this thread on how to do the install. Pretty ez!

If you are replacing the cat, they won't do it under warranty unless the warning light for it is on right?

NO!! If the cat is gone it's gone, but if it's gone the warning light will be coming on. You have up to 128,000km under warranty.

Well... they hooked it up to the scanner and the readouts were pooched.. apparently there's a recall or TSB or something for the issue I was having. The emissions system is under an 8 year warantee so I don't see how they could charge me for something that's still falls under that...

What was the issue? What are they trying to charge you for?

No no deposit, but waiting list since Oct I guess it is now and told I would have them at the end of Nov. :rant: Don't know if I really wanna pay an extra $110us for them, total then is $700ish cad :icon_no2:

Shitty that is bad fuel economy!! Mine is much much worse in the winter it seems.



That's not so bad. The quote I got just for the coils and install was $405+ tax, plus $98 scan. One guy mentioned he left it at a dealer, installed them there and drove away lol. CAA tow home, I did a write up on this thread on how to do the install. Pretty ez!



NO!! If the cat is gone it's gone, but if it's gone the warning light will be coming on. You have up to 128,000km under warranty.



What was the issue? What are they trying to charge you for?

Yeah I was reading your write up on DIY to change the coils, 15-30min job....but I got my hands tied so can't do anything but bend over and let the dealer give it to me....