Got the Colour Coded key from Mazda as a pre-order present

Went to the dealer to Code it. I saw them done on the spot...

HEY ... In fact... YOU DON"T NEED TO GO THERE! YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF!

Procedure to code key:

Require:
2 coded keys (not your service/valet key please)
1 Uncoded key (Your new key)
Your 8
Yourself with a working hand
Have you service/valet key ready. In case you F up

Steps:

1 - Put your 1st coded key. Turn on to standby mode/pre-ignition mode but not starting the engine. Wait for 4 seconds.

2 - Put your 2nd coded key. Turn on to standby mode/pre-ignition mode and wait for 4 seconds.

3 - Put your uncoded key in. Turn on to standby mode/pre-ignition mode and wait for 4 seconds.

4 - Test all the keys.

Should work. If you have F up the keys, use the service/valet key to drive up to the dealer. :)

Enjoy

P.S. Don't know what I am talking about still, the following thread may help

Um, "service" key? What the heck is that? I got two "master" keys (black head) and one "valet" key (grey head). How do you ID a service key? Or is that just an Australian thing, perhaps?

Great info tho, thanks!!! Now I may just have to go get that cool JDM key with case... :D

If that's all it takes, there is no way I'm giving my dealer the $38 for 2 minutes worth of work. :eek:

takahashi: Have you tried this and were you successful? Has anyone else tried this on a US-Spec 8?

?!? Whoa..

1) What's a Service Key (I'm guessing the Valet key with the grey head)
2) What's standby mode?
3) Have you successfully performed this procedure?
4) Can any old key place cut the key?

Pretty please..

Originally posted by RX-Nut

4) Can any old key place cut the key?


I don't know the answers to the other 3 questions, but no, you can't just get a key cut anywhere. The keys have some kind of RFID chip in them that identifies them to the car. A key without that simply won't work.

You have to buy the chipped key blanks from the dealer, but they usually can't cut them.....

Walmart is actually the BEST place to have the pattern cut - they use a foolproof 'cartridge' system. Ask them for a ($2) copy for your original, they use a set of identifying key-holes to find the right blank and the correct cartridge to cut it - then tell them you want to pay for the cut and blank, but to use YOUR new blank.

They sometimes squeal that they're not allowed/ no guarantee/ it won't work for chipped keys, etc. but it works GREAT, and fits like the factory stock. Worst case is you have to go to a different WallyMart to get it done!

S

I picked up the key, went down to a locksmith and got it cut - then went back and got them to code it. They didn't charge me anything and I watched ... seemed to be as Takahashi says.

I can't answer the 4th one... I don't know how to order a key - has to be through Mazda Australia I guess

For the other questions:

RX - Nut

1. It is the grey Valet for you. (1 - normal key; 2 - colour coded key; 3- Service (Valet) key)

2. Standby mode (Pre-Ignitiion mode???), turn the key just before ignition (so the aircon will be on and can opearate the windows.)

3. I saw the dealer did it for myself... so I think it works. :D

Sorry about the confusion before

And yes my10ae... it is a rip of to charge you for that.

So I guess I just need to get my new key cut and then I'll try to code the keys myself. If coding doesn't work, the valet key will work to get my butt down to the dealer?

I guess it won't de code your car - only de code your key...
But it should not - should be save -

By the look of the "MENU" of my RX8 mechanic at the dearship. There is no explanation to what to do if you F that up - I guess they will just try again and send them to Mazda Central if they need to - good luck - just follow the procedure it will be fine

Or maybe do it in the dealership parking lot, after you've got the key cut?

I deal with Mazda's on a daily basis, and I deal with cutting keys at least once a week. The Mazda immobilzer system is not an easy thing. Last week I had an MPV that took an hour and a half to program 2 keys because it didnt want to accept the keys.

Some RX-8s may be as easy as putting them in and turning the power on for a few seconds and repeating, BUT it depends on how many keys you are programming. Two things will happen if you screw up the Immobilzer System.

1. The vehicles computers will reset and you will be calling a tow truck to pick up your car and bring it to a dealership to have it reprogramed....out of your pocket.

2. The car will not start for a few hours and you will get stuck waiting on it.


I understand the frustration that the dealerships cause and yes it may seem like a rip off, but I know we personally use the Mazda WDS computer when we reprogram keys. RX8 keys cost $30 bucks a key and should take no longer that 1 hour to program. Yes, sometimes you can just stick the keys in and flip power on, but sometimes you cant. Before you do anything...CALL YOUR DEALERSHIP AND CHECK!!!!!! Just a recommendation.

That's useful info... thanks for chiming in!

And, welcome to the Forum. How are RX-8s selling in YOUR neck of the woods?

I would say average....right now being the slow season we have more supply than demand, but it will change.

Don't understand why you have to insert two keys before codeing the third?

I bought my car in Las Vegas but live in Los Angeles. My dealer gave me two keys (no valet key - will be calling dealer). When I took delivery, the second key was not coded, and their service department was closed and I had to return to LA.

I planned to code the second key on my next visit to Las Vegas. Can I code the second key with your method, with only two keys? If so, I will park just outside of Santa Monica Mazda and try re-coding.

BTW when I asked my dealer, Courtesy Mazda of Las Vegas, about coding my key in Santa Monica, they said it would cost $100, but they would code mine free of charge since it was their oversight. Hmmm were they bullshitting me?

Dang Snyder, thanks for taking the air outta the balloon!

Naw, good info.. thanks for the warning.

Rodmiester,

What you might be able to do, and keyword is MIGHT (I have to emphasize that strongly) is this....

Since it was an oversight from the dealership in Las Vegas, call them and them if they can arrange a payment with the dealership in Santa Monica. Basically, have them arrange a Purchase Order with the dealership for whatever it costs them to reprogram the key. I have dealt with circumstances like that myself where someone has purchased a car at another dealership and had parts ordered as apart of a New Car Deal. Instead of the customer driving 3 hours to the dealership where they purchased the vehicle they sent my dealership the parts with a purchase order and we did it. So, my thought is this....if the dealership in Las Vegas said they would do it for free, then they should be able to take care of something like that. It would save you time, gas, and long drive. Then again, I know how you RX-8 people are, whenever you get a chance to drive you do <grin>. Just an option that might save you some time.

Of course doing it in the dealership is safer but I don't think they should charge for it.

Period

The vehicle should come with 3 programed keys from the start. Thats what comes with the car. Any additional keys, are extra. You have to buy the key and it takes time to reprogram them. Ive talked to my techs about the whole " do it yourself thing " and they all laugh and say, " Its not that simple " We charge $105 dollars for reprograming a key (that includes the key). If it takes a 1/2 hour to do it because the WDS decides it wants to work, then thats all we charge, but if it doesnt and it takes 3 hours, then we charge $105 regardless.

Welcome to the new world of the Immobilzer system. You can thank Ford for it, its thier system. Ford dabbled thier fingers in that car. Its not 100% Mazda. Ford owns Mazda of America -- MPV is the Windstar, the 3 is the Focus/Escort, the Tribute is the Escape.

What you can do is this. I did this last week with an MPV. If you need a spare key in case you lock your keys in the car, you can go to Walmart and have them cut you a regular key to use in JUST THE DOORS! The immobilzer is just in the ignition.

It boils down to, we need to make a living to. 9 times out of 10 we put all of an hour into reprogramings. We also do Mazda Full Circle Inspections at no charge.

Weird, I asked my dealer and they dont know if they can do the programming. Is this something all Mazda dealers should be able to do?

They should have a photocopy of the RX 8 menu

Any dealership that sells RX-8s should be able to reprogram the keys.

The Mazda WDS system is something that the 6's, 3's, MPV's, and Tributes need to perfrom " Freeze Frame " date when doing warranty work (mainly with EGR systems, Cats, etc). All Mazda dealerships should have the WDS, but they might not have the updates.

The Mazda Dealer website, whic has access to all of the bulletins, tech tips, recalls, warranty information, training classes, and Mazda Customer Index - you can find out from there and if not there through the hotline.

I cant stress enough that the dealership you go through does have all this. If your dealership is primarily a Hyundai or Kia dealer and Mazda is just a " sideline " car. There is a chance they are behind on the updates and such. My dealership was one of the frist dealerships to get 8's because we are a primary Mazda dealer and have the highest amount of sales. But a small dealership in the middle of Kansas might have just gotten their first 8 last week, because they arent a big seller.

So, yes they should have the cabilbilties to reprogram the keys, but there may be a reason why they are unsure (ie updates for the WDS). I say schedule an appointment and see how it goes.

Us dealerships are still playing catch up with the -8's. Its a learning curve. I know thats now what you guys want to hear, but its the truth. We are trained on the cars, but we dont " understand " the car. Ask any Mazda Service Writer or Mazda Certified Techincian and he can tell you that 96-01 626 4 cylinder automatics are prone to transmission failure and we know that the RX7 (esp 3rd Gen's) are prone to excessive flooding, broken door handles, and turbo oil leaks. So, Im not surprised if a dealership doesnt know if they can reprogram a key, they probably havent done one. They will though, trust me.

So, just call and set up an appointment and play it from there. If they cant do it, then find another dealership who can.

PS - I dont mean to sound like Im preaching lol Im just trying to give you some insight into our world with the car when it comes to maintance and the 8's

How about cutting the key, does it require special cutting, or can we take it to Walmart (hehe) as suggested?

Jus making sure.. dont want my engine to explode cuz I cut the key wrong.. heehee

Mr. Takahashi, it is official - you da MAN!

Bought the chipped key from Mazda, took it to WallyMart to get it cut, then put the keys in, 1/2/3 DONE!

It needs both keys to recognize the code from the third one.

It didn't like it the first time round, the 'key in the car' warning light was flashing fast, but the second time I did it, I just turned on till the flashing stopped then tried the next key, and then the new one, and bingo! Started with the new key!

Thanks again Taki!

S

Originally posted by StealthTL
Mr. Takahashi, it is official - you da MAN!

S

and with "The Creator of Stealth-Pounds of torque"'s (yes, that's his official title) approval, this thread becomes a sticky :D

just yankin' yer chain Ray ;)

Oh Thank you I am blushed :D
I have edited the first thread to make it easier for people to read

lol it looks like Taki has disproved me <bows head> And there is nothing special about the key itself, just the top of the key.

This has actually been covered before in the Autralian forum... I don't think anyone has complained about problems.

I quote from this thread:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8035&perpage=15&highlight=sydney%20meet&pagenumber=3

Just for the one who missed the activation of their customer key.
require 2 sets of key which came with the delivery.
1. put in one set of key and turn the car on (don't start it)
2. wait until the immobilizer light on the desh turn off, then take it out.
3. repeat step 1 and 2 with a different set of key.
4. lastly put in that special key and turn it to ON position and wait till the immobilizer light turn off (take about 2 hours) and then the key is coded!!!


I think the 2 hours bit was a joke, btw

Originally posted by StealthTL
They sometimes squeal that they're not allowed/ no guarantee/ it won't work for chipped keys, etc. but it works GREAT, and fits like the factory stock. Worst case is you have to go to a different WallyMart to get it done!

I tried this at a Home Depot a while back for my GF's Tribute and the guy didn't cut it. He was afraid to ruin the key and have to pay me for it. I told him I wouldn't hold him accountable and would even sign something to that effect. I even asked him to take a walk while I cut it but he wasn't having any of that either.

If you never get down to 1 "valid" key the dealer does not have to use the WDS to program them. Just follow the post from "sco".

This is straight from the book...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Procedure


Have an additional key (key 3) ready for registration.

Using key 1, turn the ignition switch to the ON position.

Verify that the security light illuminates for approx. 3 s and then goes out.

Using key 1, turn the ignition switch to the LOCK position within approx. 4 s after the security light goes out.

Remove key 1

Repeat Steps 2-5 using key 2.

Repeat Steps 2-5 using key 3.

If additional keys need to be registered, repeat Steps 1-7 in the same manner as key 3.

Sounds liek a Courtesy Mazda thing to do.

Courtesy owns all 3 Mazda dealers out here in Vegas. Which one did you get yours from?

1. Courtesy Mazda, West Sahara
2. Courtesy Mazda, Auto Mall (Henderson)
3. People's Mazda, NW (still Courtesy owned)

Originally posted by markpmm
If you never get down to 1 "valid" key the dealer does not have to use the WDS to program them. Just follow the post from "sco".

This is straight from the book...


Straight from what book?

Can confirm that Takahashi's method works. I did this about 6 weeks ago when I got my special key from Mazda. Can't take the credit though. Richwu gave me the info at the first Sydney RX8 drive day.

Where did you cut your key at? I'm hoping my local Walmart can do it.

UH the Valet key will only get you 10 minutes worth of driving so you ought to be close to the dealer when you do this.

Jhouse... is that right? :eek: why is that do you think?

that color coded key looks sweet, any idea where to get one?

Go to your local dealer ... I had my key as a present from Mazda Australia but I guess you can order from them

Alternative is to buy it from Japanparts.com. I wonder if they need your VIN number to order as mine was sent to me already cut.

Originally posted by Jhouse
UH the Valet key will only get you 10 minutes worth of driving so you ought to be close to the dealer when you do this.

I've driven for over 10 minutes with the valet key, about three or four times. Once I'm guessing it was about 25 minutes, another time around 20 minutes. The other one or two times I'm not sure about -- I suppose it is possible it was less than 10, but I really doubt it.

I thought that the only difference between the valet and the regular key is that the valet will only (a) start the engine; or (b) lock/unlock the doors (i.e. it won't work on the trunk, the passthrough, or the glove compartment).

Originally posted by Jhouse
UH the Valet key will only get you 10 minutes worth of driving so you ought to be close to the dealer when you do this.

Jhouse,
What are you talkin' about here? I've drive with my valet key for 30 minutes quite frequently.

regards,
rx8cited

Originally posted by RX-Nut
Straight from what book?

The rx8 service manual.

BTW the only difference in the valet key and the others is...it won't open the glove box.;)

Oh.. cool.. now that's official!

Does it warn you that you could render your vehicle useless if you mess up?

If you follow the instructions it is almost impossible to "mess up".

If you don't gain access to the system it will not look for "new" codes.

If your car doesn't start you can fly me to Hawaii and I'll bring the WDS abd set you right up.:)

I hope everyone here gets at least 3 keys.

If you ever get down to 1 valid key money will be exchanged.

and you won't be gettin it.

I cant seem to find those keys anywhere :( oh well

Originally posted by Rx8Freehk
I cant seem to find those keys anywhere :( oh well What keys?

Valet key? Should ask your dealer

The code key from the site? Try this (no 091-010-005) (http://www.japanparts.com/shop/shop.cgi?mode=itemlist&maker=Mazda&type_car=RX%2d8+SE3P&type_second=Interior+and+Exterior&type_third=Interior+%2d+others)

I have another one for you....

Bought a new remote opener and found the way to code it from the dealers manual -

(The door switch is the little rubber one on the jamb of the rear door, which controls the interior lights.)

Key in,
Ignition On/Off, 3 times,
Push door switch, 3times,
- Car will lock, then unlock-
Push 'Lock' on first remote, 2 times,
~ ~ ~ second ~ , 2 times,
~ ~ ~ third (new) , 2 times,

Now all 3 are accepted by the car.

S

Originally posted by StealthTL
I have another one for you....

Bought a new remote opener and found the way to code it from the dealers manual -

(The door switch is the little rubber one on the jamb of the rear door, which controls the interior lights.)

Key in,
Ignition On/Off, 3 times,
Push door switch, 3times,
- Car will lock, then unlock-
Push 'Lock' on first remote, 2 times,
~ ~ ~ second ~ , 2 times,
~ ~ ~ third (new) , 2 times,

Now all 3 are accepted by the car.

S

Sheath - put it in another thread mate!
Sure it is a sticky! Where to get another remote? Dealer?

my10ae says the J-Spec key doesnt work with US cars.. can anyone confirm??

I just ordered mine a week ago.. noooooooooo

It is hard to imagine that yours would not work...

No change back now... you just have to cut it and code it - then you might be surprised.

Mine is from Mazda Australia and I hardly imagine that it is made in Australia :D

takahashi:

I was hard to swallow that the key I just spent big $$ doesn't work with my 8. The dealer said they tried twice to program the key and it would not work. If I'm feeling lucky, I might try your method.. but if it doesn't work then I'm out another $60 to reprogram my keys again. I'm already into this little venture $120.

RX-Nut if your willing to try Takahasi's method, let me know how you make out....

Arrrgh......... dont tell me we're the only US fools to try this. Dang.

I just p/u my new 8. I got one coded key and one valet key, was I supposed to get 2 coded and one valet key. What did you guys or gals get.

Thanks

I have 2 coded keys and valet key

Originally posted by MeZoomZoom
I just p/u my new 8. I got one coded key and one valet key, was I supposed to get 2 coded and one valet key. What did you guys or gals get. You should have gotten 2 coded keys, two remotes and one gray valet key.. claim what's yours!

Thanks Takahashi and brothervoodoo I am victorious in my quest for a second coded key. Thanks again for your input.

you are welcome glad to help. enjoying your car i suppose. i am washing my baby today. black ones need more wases

Has anyone with a US spec car had any luck with the special key? Either with the dealership method, or takahashi's? Hate to say it - I don't feel much like being the guinea pig, here. No dealership close-by, nearest one is 50 miles.

doccable... It is Mazda method. I publish it as I read THEIR manual while THEY are doing it. I was asking for a photocopy but they declined. There is a service manual selling in the eBay. Anyone think it will be worthwhile? They are asking US$90

Is that the "Service Highlights" manual? If so, I recommend it quite highly. I bought mine for $120(USD), and have already used it, and have found it to be a very good reference. The copy I got started out at around $90, but after much bidding, ended up at the price I paid.

ic... sounds like it worth the price

RX-Nut:

Did you get in your J-spec key? Have you tried to program it yet using takahashi's instructions? Please let us know.

Thanks...

I got it in but ran into a snag getting it cut. Do you know if an unprogrammed key can at least open the door and trunk?

If so, I need to go back and have that dang key shop recut this key.. I hope it's not f'd up, or there ends my multi-dollar saga.

RX-Nut:

Yes, an unprogrammed key can open the door and trunk. I tested the key myself before having the dealer "try" to program the key. Let me know how you make out.

Thanks,
Kevin

GOOD NEWS dudes. Takahashi's method WORKS!

At first I tried it twice and no go.. Didnt want to tempt the fates so I gave up and was ready to post the bad news. But I went out and tried it once more..

BAM.. She took!!

You gotta be pretty quick though. I think that was my first two mistakes..

Use Key 1, turn to ON, wait till the key icon disappears and count 2 secs..

Quick.. pop in Key 2, turn to ON... wait till the key icon disappears, count to 2..

Quick!! Slam in the new rotary key, turn to ON, and voila!!! If the icon disappears, your key is CODED!!

My first two attempts, I took too long between key swaps. I waited until the icon went out then counted to 4 and then swapped keys.. too slow I think. Then when I used the rotary key and turned it to ON, the key icon just flashed real fast. I was worried that I f'd the car.. If it flashes like that, the key is not working..

GOOD LUCK TO ALL.

Eureka at last! Good info to know..

I can see it now.. a mad influx of orders for these keys.. I think I should get a kickback.. hahahah Almost scared the sh!t outta me when the icon freaked.

Now I just gotta figure out how to carry that pretty key and the fob in one. This pretty key and it's leash dont really go with the fob. No real way to attach them. :(

It works.... good. Now it is offical that you can cut the key yourself and code it yourself.

RX-Nut:

That sounds great!! I wonder what my dealer was doing wrong when they tried programming the key twice? Did they not use the method described? If I go out and program that freaking key in under 5 mins, I'm going back to the dealer and have a little chat with them!! :mad:

Thanks for the posted instructions takahashi and for trying it out for us US folks RX-Nut. Might run out later and give it a shot.

Thanks,
Kevin

PS you mention you used your 2 keys to program the extra key. I have 2 regular keys, a gray "valet" key, and now my rotor key (4 total). Should I just add the valet key to the list when programming and leave the rotor key for last?

No.. just use the two black keys then your rotary key.

No need for the grey valet key.

Now I need ideas on how to carry this key along with the fob.. heheh..

Hey all:

I just went and tried programming my key... LOW AND BEHOLD IT WORKED!!! I will be having a chat with my Mazda dealer tomorrow regarding this. I am sorry if I "shied" people away from getting this key. I was going on what my dealer told (and charged) me. :(

Thanks for the info takahashi and RX-Nut

Kevin

Good to hear it!!

So how are you planning to carry the key and fob together? Are you keeping it separate? I was going to use one of those key rings, but man I think it'll scratch up the rotary key.. Hmm.

I think I might use my dremel to "open" up the foam area for the US spec fobs. I'm hoping to make it large enough to fit the fob so I can carry everything together. When I get the time, I'll try this and post up pics.

I wonder if that hole in the back of the case is meant for this.. hmmmm

I want the leather case that matches it but I cant find anywhere that sells this :(. I think you can put the remote in there as well?

what happened to the sticky?

Went looking and it wasn't there...

Do you know if this same method will work on the Mazda 3? My girlfriend just got one and we need a third key made. The key looks identical to the #1 key in the picture and i havent seen her other keys yet. The dealer wants $35 to program it and im hoping to do it on my own. Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!


Keith

I assume so... I saw the mazda mechanics use the "mazda" menu not the "mazda RX-8" menu. So I assume it is the same. Try anyway

Straight outta the book. Is this the tech guide for the RX-8. I'd love to get one, or at least a comprehensive owners manual. Any suggestions?

takashi has reason I used this method today to code a new key
it worked, second I used sthealth info to code a new beeper its works too
thanks folks my dealer ask me $85.00 for doing this.

my name is takaHAshi....

anyway I am glad to save you money. I wish there is a donate account for me --- I am sure Elara and Omi (the moderators) will be on my back then. ;)

I have another one for you....

Bought a new remote opener and found the way to code it from the dealers manual -

(The door switch is the little rubber one on the jamb of the rear door, which controls the interior lights.)

Key in,
Ignition On/Off, 3 times,
Push door switch, 3times,
- Car will lock, then unlock-
Push 'Lock' on first remote, 2 times,
~ ~ ~ second ~ , 2 times,
~ ~ ~ third (new) , 2 times,

Now all 3 are accepted by the car.

S

Tried this, but it doesn't work. :confused: :( I coded the key no problem, but the alarm part refuses to play...

Interesting thread first of all, I can't believe the prices dealerships are charging for this simple procedure... I'd be ticked if they were unsuccessful and billed me, only for me to do it myself in 5 minutes.

Now onto my personal gripe. I bought a used 2004 Tit. Gray with less than 10K miles. I only got one key and fob. No second key, second fob and no valet key. I am going to nicely request that I get these items again... but in case I don't... Can you run this procedure with only one key?

I see from most of the instructions it states 1st coded key, 2nd coded key. I of course only have one key. My assumption is that the progression and timing through ultimately the last uncoded key would work with one key... but that is only an assumption.

No one have tried using the same key for the first coded key and second coded key.

I suppose you can try to do that.

Otherwise you might have to code that from the dealer for the 2nd key. I am sure there must be a machine that can do that.....:rolleyes: because I suspect there is a fail safe mechanism just in case we lose all our keys. haha

GOOD NEWS dudes. Takahashi's method WORKS!

At first I tried it twice and no go.. Didnt want to tempt the fates so I gave up and was ready to post the bad news. But I went out and tried it once more..

BAM.. She took!!

You gotta be pretty quick though. I think that was my first two mistakes..

Use Key 1, turn to ON, wait till the key icon disappears and count 2 secs..

Quick.. pop in Key 2, turn to ON... wait till the key icon disappears, count to 2..

Quick!! Slam in the new rotary key, turn to ON, and voila!!! If the icon disappears, your key is CODED!!

My first two attempts, I took too long between key swaps. I waited until the icon went out then counted to 4 and then swapped keys.. too slow I think. Then when I used the rotary key and turned it to ON, the key icon just flashed real fast. I was worried that I f'd the car.. If it flashes like that, the key is not working..

GOOD LUCK TO ALL.

Thanks for your write-up RX-Nut... the mazda way followed to the letter was not working..but yours worked the first time... anyone wanting to do this.. don't use the book (word for word)...use this method... you just need to be quick about it.

thanks again!

my mazda dealer said they could get my both pieces for $47.00 and $42 to program it. why does it cost so much on that other site? it's like $180!

So will this will work for 04 owners who want to get the new 05 retractable key thing???

my mazda dealer said they could get my both pieces for $47.00 and $42 to program it. why does it cost so much on that other site? it's like $180!

i'm almost positive they were talking about the 04 key and transmitter...not the 05....double check

I have only one key, and like someone above said has anyone tried to use one key for the first and second and then try to code the new key as #3? It would be nice not to have to pay the dealer 40 bucks for the coding of one extra key.

So will this will work for 04 owners who want to get the new 05 retractable key thing???
I can't see the reason that it will not work in the 05 keys.

I have only one key, and like someone above said has anyone tried to use one key for the first and second and then try to code the new key as #3? It would be nice not to have to pay the dealer 40 bucks for the coding of one extra key.

i really don't see why it wouldn't work.. i think i may have in fact done it..but i can't remember.. i know one time trying it i accidently put in the same key twice.... nothing bad happened... so why not try it?

you can actually put the same key in however many times you like but the transciever still looks for 2 differant keys if you only have 1 your out of luck and have to use a scanner (wds or ngs+) to program them.

how many keys did everyone get? I only got 2 both black heads.

you can actually put the same key in however many times you like but the transciever still looks for 2 differant keys if you only have 1 your out of luck and have to use a scanner (wds or ngs+) to program them.
So it won't work using the same key twice? Is it possible to use the Valet key as the second one?

I recently lost one of my blackhead keys and am planning on getting the 05 switchblade

clmantis21, you should have gotten three keys. 2 black and 1 gray. The gray is the valet key.

On my car (1 year lease return) it was still wrapped in the original plastic in the glove box book. Search for it.. it should be there, if it's not, I _HIGHLY_ recommend you go and get an additional key. You need two keys (valet counts) to add additional keys to the system, without having to pay an arm and a leg.

So it won't work using the same key twice? Is it possible to use the Valet key as the second one?

I recently lost one of my blackhead keys and am planning on getting the 05 switchblade
I am not sure if coding a new key with the same one will work. No one has confirm either or ... or has someone done it.

I know for a fact that the valvet key (grey one) cannot be used as a seperate key to code the new one.

Mazda Japan made each car with 2 normal key and 1 grey key. I will be concern if you get less than that since there will be a key somewhere in the local neighbourhood that can open your car, or even drive it :eek:

Taka

I am not sure if coding a new key with the same one will work. No one has confirm either or ... or has someone done it.

I know for a fact that the valvet key (grey one) cannot be used as a seperate key to code the new one.

Mazda Japan made each car with 2 normal key and 1 grey key. I will be concern if you get less than that since there will be a key somewhere in the local neighbourhood that can open your car, or even drive it :eek:

Taka
It's my understanding that the valet can be used as one of the 2 keys required to program a new key. I'm pretty sure that the only thing different about the valet key is the phyisical cut pattern. Check earlier in this thread and I think you'll find that information.

think they used the same procedure as Fords...we used to 'borrow' peoples cars at college and park them in different places.....yes we where very bored!

THE VALET KEY CAN BE USED TO AS ONE OF THE NEEDED KEYS TO REPROGRAM

I just did a recode for my flip key. The first time i tried to reprogram my key it did not work, but i gave it another shot and bam it worked. Takahasi you saved me $110. That is what my dealer wanted to charge to do what took me 10 mins.

Takahasi you saved me $110.

You are welcome!
Cheque or money order to the usual place ;) if you like :p

I also got 2005 key and remote. It was a little pain to find someone to cut the key. Once cut, everything programmed just fine. Thanks a bunch.

Everyone keeps mentioning "coding" the keys. I don't believe anything is done to the keys, rather the procedure sets the car to recognize the keys. Each key is probably encoded with a unique number that the car is set to recognize as a "legal ID" that will allow the car to operate. That would be why you need two different keys to program a third. The car's electronics needs to see the two "Legal ID" numbers, each of which should be unique and already recognized) before it will register the third NEW Legal ID Number as a valid ID. The system in the car will also have a maximum number of ID numbers that it can store at one time and it may not be able to write over previously stored numbers if there is a lifetime maximum that is reached. If the new 2005 model keys meet the same standards as was used for the 2004 model keys for the embedded numbers and otherwise work exactly the same then they should work on the 2004 cars. It appears that they do, as "8 is Enough" gambled and found out, thank you.
I'm new around here but here is my 2 cents,
darkling

What happened if i only have one black key?
Do i have to get an additional key before programming the remote?




Got the Colour Coded key from Mazda as a pre-order present

Went to the dealer to Code it. I saw them done on the spot...

HEY ... In fact... YOU DON"T NEED TO GO THERE! YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF!

Procedure to code key:

Require:
2 coded keys (not your service/valet key please)
1 Uncoded key (Your new key)
Your 8
Yourself with a working hand
Have you service/valet key ready. In case you F up

Steps:

1 - Put your 1st coded key. Turn on to standby mode/pre-ignition mode but not starting the engine. Wait for 4 seconds.

2 - Put your 2nd coded key. Turn on to standby mode/pre-ignition mode and wait for 4 seconds.

3 - Put your uncoded key in. Turn on to standby mode/pre-ignition mode and wait for 4 seconds.

4 - Test all the keys.

Should work. If you have F up the keys, use the service/valet key to drive up to the dealer. :)

Enjoy

P.S. Don't know what I am talking about still, the following thread may help

What happened if i only have one black key?
Do i have to get an additional key before programming the remote?
You need two PROGRAMMED keys in order to self-program another key or remote. My understanding is that the valet key can be used as one of the two keys. The dealer can program another single key or remote for a sizeable fee.

I have another one for you....

Bought a new remote opener and found the way to code it from the dealers manual -

(The door switch is the little rubber one on the jamb of the rear door, which controls the interior lights.)

Key in,
Ignition On/Off, 3 times,
Push door switch, 3times,
- Car will lock, then unlock-
Push 'Lock' on first remote, 2 times,
~ ~ ~ second ~ , 2 times,
~ ~ ~ third (new) , 2 times,

Now all 3 are accepted by the car.

S


ok, apparently i'm one of the idiots trying to do this!! the new flip key words fine, but the remote won't!! here's what i'm doing, step by step, PLEASE, anyone, correct me or help me figure out what the hell is going on (my dealer wants $100 to do it!). oh, and i have 3 keys (two old and one new (flip key)) but i only have 2 remotes (i have 3 - two old and one new (flip key) but only one of the old one works, so that leaves me with 1 functional remote and my new one).

1. open door (and LEAVE open)
2. insert original key into ignition
3. turn from lock to on, then back to lock
4. turn from lock to on, then back to lock
5. turn from lock to on, then back to lock (ths is done quickly, not waiting in between)
6. leave the key in, at the lock position
7. press the door button 3 times (i think i read this was supposed to actually lock the doors ... it doesn't on mine ... ??)
8. test the door actuator (does this mean use the unlock/lock switch on my actual door??)
9. press any button twice on the remote i WANT to program (the flip key in this case)
10. test the door actuator again
11. press any button twice on my original remote.

... this is my understanding of the process. i've read mixed answers on whether or not i need 2 functional remotes + the new remote, or if i can do it with must the 1 functional remote i have.

WHAT AM I MISSING??!!!!

ok, apparently i'm one of the idiots trying to do this!! the new flip key words fine, but the remote won't!! here's what i'm doing, step by step, PLEASE, anyone, correct me or help me figure out what the hell is going on (my dealer wants $100 to do it!). oh, and i have 3 keys (two old and one new (flip key)) but i only have 2 remotes (i have 3 - two old and one new (flip key) but only one of the old one works, so that leaves me with 1 functional remote and my new one).

1. open door (and LEAVE open)
2. insert original key into ignition
3. turn from lock to on, then back to lock
4. turn from lock to on, then back to lock
5. turn from lock to on, then back to lock (ths is done quickly, not waiting in between)
6. leave the key in, at the lock position
7. press the door button 3 times (i think i read this was supposed to actually lock the doors ... it doesn't on mine ... ??)
8. test the door actuator (does this mean use the unlock/lock switch on my actual door??)
9. press any button twice on the remote i WANT to program (the flip key in this case)
10. test the door actuator again
11. press any button twice on my original remote.

... this is my understanding of the process. i've read mixed answers on whether or not i need 2 functional remotes + the new remote, or if i can do it with must the 1 functional remote i have.

WHAT AM I MISSING??!!!!
See the attached instructions for programming the remote. Note that you are pressing the wrong button in your #7. It should be the switch on the door post as seen in one of the attached images.

See the attached instructions for programming the remote. Note that you are pressing the wrong button in your #7. It should be the switch on the door post as seen in one of the attached images.

Go48 - i appreciate your help. that IS the button i'm pushing in step #7 - the rubber button on the rear door, right near the metal catch for the front door. after i push it 3 times, i hit the door unlock/lock switch (on the door next to the window controls), then i push a button twice on my new transmitter, bla bla ... it just won't work.

any more insight will save me a lot of money, but maybe i just need to go to the dealer ... :scratchhe

The instructions I posted were for the '04 model year, before the flip key came along. I assume these instructions will work for the flip key, but I have not verified that. Also, it is my understanding that you need TWO working remotes in order to program another remote, but I could be wrong. It's been a couple of years since I delved into this procedure.

All I can say is, keep trying. Read the pencil changes I made to one of the instructions. That change made the instructions clearer for me.

I don't think you need step #8. The doors should lock and unlock after pushing the door switch 3x. After they lock/unlock, program the remotes by pressing the lock button 2x.

We have a 2004 that I programmed a switchblade key/remote for.

Also, make sure the batteries are ok in the remotes.

I also just receives my blank and had it cut at lowes, it seems like it didnt take and may have be minorly miscut. So I took it to Ace hardware and they tryed to fix it. I have tried the D.I.Y. steps many times but its not taking. When I put the new key in the lock light flashes fast. Anybody have any suggestions before I hunt down a new key blank. Last time I got it on ebay from someone in th UK.
Thanks

Bought a switchblade key on eBay for my '04 RX8. I had all my original keys (2 full, and 1 valet)
Had the dealer cut it (they did it free of charge), then used the method in the original post to program the RFID code. Did it once, and it didn't take (security light flashes fast). Came back two hours later and tried the method again, and it worked.
Kick ass!

Hi there,
I ve tried to program the key and it was unsuccesful.

I ve used my 2 originals and then the new cutted key but the security icon blinks.

What am i doing wrong?

man worked like a charm...took all of a min and happy as happy can be :lol:

Im getting crazy, WHERE is the Push door switch? Please send me a picture of it, i get crazy descriptions of it, some say its a pin , some say you have to open the door to see it, some say its a button, omg where is that "push door switch"

I Asked A Question, How Many Years Will It Take To Get An Answer At This Forum????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????

You type funny....


S

You type funny....


S

Why? and is that really the main issue here?

Im getting crazy, WHERE is the Push door switch? Please send me a picture of it, i get crazy descriptions of it, some say its a pin , some say you have to open the door to see it, some say its a button, omg where is that "push door switch"

It's just the little rubber covered plunger switch that turns the light on when the door is open -
open door/push all buttons on door jamb/stop when lights go on/off.....


S

It's just the little rubber covered plunger switch that turns the light on when the door is open -
open door/push all buttons on door jamb/stop when lights go on/off.....


S


thanks

just bought my 04 RX-8 and it only came with one master key with remote. I would love to get my hands on the 05 flip key(it's just look way nicer), but to program it, i would need another programed key first (am i right)? So, i went down to the mazda dealership and this is what they told me: $28 for a blank key (no remote) and $90 to program it. :banghead::banghead::banghead:. That's crazy:Eyecrazy:. So, what should i do now??
Is there any better way of doing this?

That is strange... you can have a go for key 1 and key 2 as the same key. If it works, it is ok. If not, then you go to Mazda to get it programed.

With only 1 programmed key you're stuck paying the dealer to program another one. I think I spent about that to get a valet key so I could program my flip key.

I haven't heard of these available anywhere before, but I found a place selling the key part of the flip key/remote for $19 shipped:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16641
It's the key blade and the spring loaded flip part. Mine is in rough shape, (botched key cut, had to replace the blade by hand.)
Ebay also has just the key blades for $7. I think I may go the ebay route, as it's not that tough to push the retaining pin out.

That is strange... you can have a go for key 1 and key 2 as the same key. If it works, it is ok. If not, then you go to Mazda to get it programed.

Can a Mazda dealer program my flip key even though its not the same visteon number?
Do they program by computer? Or the way everyone else done in this forum.

The centre dealership. In my case will be Mazda Australia, will have a machine to duplicate keys since there has to be back up for lost keys.

Having said that where are my keys :dunno:

The centre dealership. In my case will be Mazda Australia, will have a machine to duplicate keys since there has to be back up for lost keys.

Having said that where are my keys :dunno:

No im not talking about the key itself, I managed to code my key, but I couldnt program the remote ( the flip key remote ). And I believe the reason is that the visteon numbers dont match. But I want to know, if any Mazda dealer could program my remote despite that the numbers dont match.

Does this work for the smartkey? ie the one that looks like a credit card?
Boubvht a new one ,.,ie used on ebay,. I had a key cut
and it unlocks the car and also turns the ignition
now how do I program the smartkey? creditcard thingy

OK, so I have a 2004 and have two keys. I just got a switchblade key off ebay and am having trouble getting the key to work. I followed the procedure and am seeing that the problem is that the security light is flashing instead of staying solid when I put the switchblade key. It will let me turn the car on, but not start it. I programed the fob and that works fine. Does anyone know the problem here?????

Thank you in advance.

so strictly speaking this is off topic, but for those of you w/ only 1 key, how much have you paid to have the dealer do the programming? what about the whole package from dealer, ie key + cut + programmed?

thanks

I feel silly even posting this...

But... again, another question.

I have an '04 - bought a switch blade key from what the guy said was a cx7 off ebay... I know its not a cx7 remote because it has a trunk release, so it was from an mx5, mazda6 maybe, or rx8...

That said... I got the key cut and programmed just fine. It opens the doors, starts the car no problem.

BUT, I can't get the remote keyless entry to program. I've tried about 5 times now. If anyone could provide a really really basic step by step instruction that would be very helpful, or just let me know the remote I have won't work.

(like in the picture post... what does manually verify mean? push the door lock button on the door to unlock both doors? or does it mean push the locking mechanism by the door handle??)

In tapping the door switch 3 times, nothing happens either.

Thanks!

come on, any thoughts? I really don't want to get flamed for posting a new thread about this.....

what's the fcc id on the back of your switchblade? i think the one that's supposed to work is kpu 41788, or at least it sounds like this is the one that other members have been able to get programmed... i believe there're at least 2 different fcc id's for the switchblades, altho i could be wrong

Thanks Roger Rabbit Quote man. I'm looking into this now.

EDIT:

My remote doesn't have a kpu #:

this is what I got:
02567 POSTEL 2005, IC: 662F - SKE12501, FCC ID : BGBX1T478SKE125-01

come on, any thoughts? I really don't want to get flamed for posting a new thread about this.....

vyndictive, i might as well save you $150~ bucks.

read my next post and follow it carefully

(09-14-33/ chapter 9, section 14, item page 33)
transmitter ID code registration (keyless entry system)

-start-
> remove key from steering lock
>close all doors and liftgate

>open driver side door

(perform these steps within 24secs)
>insert key into steering lock
>repeat following 3 times: turn ignition to on position, then back to lock position.
note: do not remove key from steering lock
>push driver door switch 3 times.
(verify door actuators lock/unlock, if not, wait 40s)

>push any button on any single transmitter TWICE
>verify that the door lock actuators lock/unlock

if you have only one transmitter, push any button twice.
if oyu have 2-3 transmitter, push any of the other transmitter (s) twice........

but it seems like you only have one... so i'll end right here.

thanks for tuning in.

have fun with that key, yah?

surprised this hasnt been well known. works with any PATS equipped car when you already have 2 keys.

turn key 1 to on, wait for the car & key sumbol (anti-theft symbol) to turn off
remove key and within 5-10 secs insert key 2 and turn on, again wait for symbol to go off
remove and insert blank key and turn to on and wait for symbol to go off. bam programmed.

of course only works with 2 already programmed keys.

when we do it at the dealer with only 1 programmed key we have to send a series of serial numbers and random generated codes from RKE, SKE or HCE modules to mazda and the send us back the proper incode to access the security system.

on fords you have to attempt to access PATS then wait for 10 minutes and it gives you clearance to do whatever you want.

kevin.

I feel silly even posting this...

But... again, another question.

I have an '04 - bought a switch blade key from what the guy said was a cx7 off ebay... I know its not a cx7 remote because it has a trunk release, so it was from an mx5, mazda6 maybe, or rx8...

That said... I got the key cut and programmed just fine. It opens the doors, starts the car no problem.

BUT, I can't get the remote keyless entry to program. I've tried about 5 times now. If anyone could provide a really really basic step by step instruction that would be very helpful, or just let me know the remote I have won't work.

(like in the picture post... what does manually verify mean? push the door lock button on the door to unlock both doors? or does it mean push the locking mechanism by the door handle??)

In tapping the door switch 3 times, nothing happens either.

Thanks!

step 1: open drivers door
2: sit in driver's seat
3: put your finger over, but dont press, the door button (turns off the dome light)
4: insert key into ignition
5: cycle key- on-off-on-off-on-off , wait about 1-2 secs between switching (on position of key, not ACC position) (some cars require removal of key after cycling, normally you can leave the key in the ignition in the off position after cycling)
6: press the door closed button on-off-on-off-on-off , again slow switching on (one on thousand) off, etc.
7: may take a few times to get perfect combo
8: door locks will cycle/click letting you know youre in programming mode
9: press the unlock(sometimes lock, but unlock normally works, if you dont get immediate response from the unlock button try the lock button the second time around) button on the remotes to be programmed twice in quick succession
10: doors will unlock in response to your remote if remote is working/correct part, if it doesnt sense an output it will cycle the locks a few times more

cant make it any easier, hope it helps. (this works on most newer mazdas, not mpv's or tribute tho)

lmao, sorry didnt notice guy above me wrote this out, wasted.

kevin.

well the fact that his fcc id doesn't start w/ kpu is a bit weird. i dunno if that would affect anything, but all the remotes and switchblades i've seen have the kpu fcc id. maybe it's a non-us remote and they have different frequencies or something?

well the fact that his fcc id doesn't start w/ kpu is a bit weird. i dunno if that would affect anything, but all the remotes and switchblades i've seen have the kpu fcc id. maybe it's a non-us remote and they have different frequencies or something?

Yeah... this is where I'm at... I've done the procedure about 10-15 times...

Like people didn't read that my remote was different. The real question is will my FCC number work with the car.... and my own case study tells me no: it won't.

. . . Unless someone else has this FCC number and it does work, which was sort of what I was looking for.

Ugh, have the opposite problem. I have one actual Mazda key, one duplicated key from Walmart, and one switchblade key that isn't taking the programming. I'm going to assume that Walmart sucks and basically just copied the code in my existing key so this probably won't work for me. But! I was able to program the FOB.... Stupid dealership is going to get their $160.....grrrrrrrrrr

Ugh, have the opposite problem. I have one actual Mazda key, one duplicated key from Walmart, and one switchblade key that isn't taking the programming. I'm going to assume that Walmart sucks and basically just copied the code in my existing key so this probably won't work for me. But! I was able to program the FOB.... Stupid dealership is going to get their $160.....grrrrrrrrrr


a walmart duplicated key won't have the digital code programmed in it.

if you only have 1 programmed key, you must have mazda program a 2nd one.

then with 2 PROGRAMMED keys, you can do this feature.

kevin.

Ok... well, my key itself works... starts the car, opens the doors, etc...

The keyless transmitter does not work. I'm assuming it is because it is for the wrong Mazdas based on the different FCC numbers.

I've tried the procedure here around 30 times total and had another local with an 8 read through it and try it, but no luck...

Does anyone know anything more about the FCC number being the problem for sure?

do your door locks cycle when doing the procedure. to let you know the car is in programming mode the locks will cycle. if they do and youre pressing the buttons on the remote and it doesnt program then yes the fob is broken or wont work with ur car.

kevin.

I just bought a 2007 RX for my daughter. Unfortunatly there was only one key with the car. I called the local Mazda dealer for a new key and was qouted a price of $47 for the key blank, $187 for the remote and he did not know how much for the programming but guessed it would be around $100. That $334 an extra key set but I got to have one. I have seen used sets with an uncut key blank on e-bay for around $50. Should I buy one of those and take it to the dealer saving $187or should I just suck it up and pay the dealer price because a used one probably will not work?

Because there is only 1 key that came with the car, you'll have to go eat the cost to have it programmed, but you can find uncut transponder keys on ebay and have them cut at Mazda and only pay the dealer for the programming itself.

Also, you can find used keyless entry remotes that you can program yourself also which you do not need the dealer for...

If you bought the car from a dealer I would tell them they need to give you 2 keys - period. Just because they took the car in on a trade (for example) and only got one key isn't your fault. They should eat the $334 and give you a 2nd key.

just my opinion...



I just bought a 2007 RX for my daughter. Unfortunately there was only one key with the car. I called the local Mazda dealer for a new key and was quoted a price of $47 for the key blank, $187 for the remote and he did not know how much for the programming but guessed it would be around $100. That $334 an extra key set but I got to have one. I have seen used sets with an uncut key blank on e-bay for around $50. Should I buy one of those and take it to the dealer saving $187or should I just suck it up and pay the dealer price because a used one probably will not work?

Somewhat related, somewhat off topic, may even be a repost...

My switchblade's (about 8 months old) battery died a couple days ago. I popped it open, tracked down a replacement at Radio Shack and had to redo the remote programming. I was a little surprised but was just glad to get it working again.

I had to use the regular key for a couple days and was really jonesin' (switchblade on an '04)

Somewhat related, somewhat off topic, may even be a repost...

My switchblade's (about 8 months old) battery died a couple days ago. I popped it open, tracked down a replacement at Radio Shack and had to redo the remote programming. I was a little surprised but was just glad to get it working again.

I had to use the regular key for a couple days and was really jonesin' (switchblade on an '04)


ShellDude, did you have to do anything particular to get the switchblade key to work? Because looking on e-bay, it seems that all of them are for '05 and up. I just recently purchased an 04 with only 1 key, and no remotes, so I want to pick up a switchblade if possible.

'04 should be the same procedure. You will need to get a second key from the dealer though to be able to program a key yourself.

Hi,

I have a Mazda RX8http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.rx8club.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=596330#) 2004 04 plate, the key fob stopped working so i took it to my nearest dealer, they tested it and said it was faulty and i needed a new one, i have bought 1 and was wondering if i need to take it back to the dealer to get them to program it or if there is anything i can do myself, i only have one ignition key and only HAD one key fob, any help/info would be great, i have tried the method in the threads on here but never seems to work.

you can defnitely do it yourself. The procedure is fairly simple and well documented here amongst the more lengthy "I've got a switchblade key" threads ... The actual mazda service manual is scanned and available too.

ok there is this place around home that told me they can cut and program any chipped key and all i need is my 1 chipped key, not 2 keys for 35-45 dollars. have not got the time to go check this out for sure probably would go this weekend. but it will be great if it works.

Hi,

I have a Mazda RX8 2004 plate 231, i have only got one key and the only key fob remote i had packed in the other day, i have bought 2 replacement remotes but am unable to program them with the directions listed on here, if anyone can help that would be great.

I have an 2004 and my switch blade key and remote programed/worked no problem...maybe 2 mins tops. You need to have two original keys....not one.....TWO!!!

Programing your key:

Use Key 1, turn to ON, wait till the key icon disappears and count 2 secs..

Quick.. pop in Key 2, turn to ON... wait till the key icon disappears, count to 2..

Quick!! Slam in the new rotary key, turn to ON, and voila!!! If the icon disappears, your key is CODED!!

FOB Programing:

Ignition On/Off, 3 times,
Push door switch (the button on the inside of your door well where the car door latches/button that turns off your dome lights when the door is shut), 3times,
- Car will lock, then unlock-
Push "Lock" on remote, 2 times,
Push "Unlock", 2 times,
Push Trunk button, 2 times,

Now all 3 are accepted by the car.