Anybody here building their RX-8 for drifting or does anybody have any info or pictures from Japanesse RX_8 dirfters?

Somebody pls fill me in on what "drifting" is?

Basically, drifting is getting your car sideways down a road. It doesn't sound very hard does it? Sounds a hell of a lot like power sliding huh? Well it isn't, it's much more complex. Instead of a drifter causing a drift and then countering to straighten out, he will instead over counter so his car goes into another drift. That is the reason many drifters do it in the mountains, because there are many sharp turns strung together. So in essence a good drifter has the ability to take five or six opposing turns without having traction at any point in time. To put it simply a good definition of drifting is, "Sliding your car through a set of opposed and grouped turns without having rear wheel traction as your car moves laterally through the turns."

So it's kind of like power sliding in motocross?

http://www.dazee.net/videos/drifter.html

I like my car too much to even think about drifting, on purpose...

ooh boy. i'll try to answer spdsapy's question early on or this could get redundant. drifting is a way of driving where the driver turns the car by depressing on the accelerator rather than turning the steering wheel (for RWD cars). for a car like the rx8 which is RWD, usually drifting is done when entering a corner the driver creates wheelspin in the back by braking (shifting the weight to the front and reducint traction in the back wheels) and accelerating to keep the rear wheels spinning, causing the back to slide outwards while turning.

I always refered to it as a '4-wheel drift'. I learned to do it in a 1984 300Z and got pretty good at it in my '79 Alfa Spider in 1985. It was *a lot* easier to do back when performance tires were 195/50 R14.

Having just driven my 8 through a torrential downpour here in GA, I'd have to say this car is too sticky and well mannered to easily break it into a drift. It's way easier when your HP clearly overpowers your tires, IMO.

I'd also have to admit I'm too frugal to purposefully shorten the life of these expensive tires. I drive hard up to the limit of adhesion...beyond is overkill.

- Eric H., Marietta, GA

2004 RX8 titanium
1976 Alfa Romeo Spider

Freakin stupid, sounds like a waste of tires, clutch, and oh yea, tires.

Here is another cool video
http://www.fastandfuriouseast.com/galleries/drift_library/drift32.mpeg

This one is the best drifting video ever
http://www.teamnightkids.com/videos/drift1221.asf

Wow, now that's wasting some tires... It sure looks like the general motocross rule of turn left to go right to me.

the whole point and purpose of a "drift" is to get your car around an apex or hairpin with the greatest entry speed, style, and technique in order to obtain a better lap time. The D1 judges base their decisions on entry speed, and technique..

Originally posted by spdspappy
Wow, now that's wasting some tires... It sure looks like the general motocross rule of turn left to go right to me.

its a little more complicated than that...watch a keichi tsuchiya video...or buy a copy of the "Drift Bible"

Here is a good video showing good drifting technics
http://www.nocamzmotorsport.co.nz/photogallery/general%20photos/r34vss15.wmv

Well...I just got rid of an AE86. It was an 86 Corolla GTS Liftback, I had TRD suspension, I/H/E, nice wheels. I drifted it. I will drift the RX8. There is an event every last wednesday of every month at englishtown raceway park. It is awesome. There's a bunch of FC's and Vosko drifts his FD. It's fun.

check it out:

www.dgtrials.com

You should get someone to record and post some videos in here dude. That would be awesome.

Check out Wired Magazine's recent article on drifting...

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.10/drifting.html

Here's the how-to guide:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.10/drifting.html?pg=5&topic=&topic_set=

Technically, I consider "drifting" to be a misnomer; what we're seeing here is a controlled powerslide or oversteer. The difference between that and a genuine drift is that a drift requires all four wheels to have exceeded their slip angles and lost traction, whereas what we see in "drifting" is simply breaking the rear end loose and countersteering to control the slide.

I'll grant that there's a degree of skill and finesse involved in linking a series of oversteer manoeuvers into a single flow, but it's still not a genuine drift in my book.

Resurrect the likes of Fangio, Brabham, Surtees and Moss, and they'll show you what real drifting is about!

Americans and their driving technique. I am sorry, but I really can't help it. Drifting have been famous in Japan since 10 to 15 years ago. beign able to drift in an FR is one of the requirements for a good FR car in Japan.

Some of you laugh and say that its a waste of tires, and I just laugh how ignorant Americans are.

Originally posted by XDEEDUBBX
the whole point and purpose of a "drift" is to get your car around an apex or hairpin with the greatest entry speed, style, and technique in order to obtain a better lap time.

If the point is to get around the corner the quickest, then a power oversteer drift is NOT the way to do it. You don't see Formula1, NASCAR, CART, or any sports car series "drifting" like that, do you? No, because it's the SLOW way around a corner. As Eccles said, a real 4 wheel drift is different (and faster) than a power oversteer drift. Drifting is only about style.

Regards,
Gordon

Originally posted by thanksgiving
Americans and their driving technique. I am sorry, but I really can't help it. Drifting have been famous in Japan since 10 to 15 years ago. beign able to drift in an FR is one of the requirements for a good FR car in Japan.

Some of you laugh and say that its a waste of tires, and I just laugh how ignorant Americans are.

You seem to be implying that drifting is a better driving technique than, well, whatever those crazy Americans do. "Drifting have been famous in Japan since 10 to 15 years ago," and it's very important for FR cars (what's an FR car?), but how is it better? Please enlighten; I don't want to be ignorant anymore.

I wanna build my car for drifting. But I'm still learning. It's one of the reasons why I love thr FR drivetrain so much. From what I've learned this car should be good for drifting because of it's 50/50 wieght distribution.

Front engine (F) Rear wheel drive (R)= FR

Here's an interesting video of a EVO doing some drifting, and then what happens if you lose your concentration while doing so...

http://www.angelfire.com/nb/zuumx/lancer_evo_vii.asf

drifting is NOT a better techinique, it's slow, and for show only.. anyone who tries to drift going downhill on the mountains is just plain suicide...

you kids should quit watching so much "Initial D". .. go back to playing your Grand Tourismo and try not to kill yourself as you try to "drift through the next hairpin."

anyone one dumb enuff to start learning to drift on a brand new rx-8 really needs to just grow up...

Looks like a usless waste of rubber if you ask me. :(

drifting is sort of senseless.
but that's one of its charms, how senseless it is.
a lot of things people do are senseless, but drifting is fun and it's pretty damn cool too.
people who drift are... different... sorta like how stoners are different, but in a different way.

Speaking of drifting, I just got a copy of the new game Need For Speed Underground! Parts of the game has you drifting and it's a lot of fun!!!!:D

When I was lucky enough to live where it snows I had all of this fun in a much safer way by going to a large lot at night and playing with the traction limits when there's a couple of inches of new snow on the ground. The tires would break at much lower inputs and speeds and with a minimum of wear and tear.

I don't know what "building for drifting" entails but it sounds like purposely compromising traction. To each his own but I hope not to encounter you operating outside the envelope as I come upon you in the mountains. Keep it safe, guys.

Ive been trying to drift and i just cant do it.
i can do it easily when is wet but not on dry roads :(

Someone teach me hehe :)

I pretty much gain speed, as i make a turn, i move the steering wheel real fast to the same direction im turning, then i quickly turn the steering wheel in the opposite direction to maintain control...however i dont use breaks, i simply downshift in second or third gear depending on the speed to maintain a grip on the road.....but it just doesnt work unless is wet! Im i doing something wrong??

Too funny. I've been in six autocross events with the RX-8 so far and I've gotten into drifts in at least half of them. Problem is I don't want to be drifting, yet it happens all over the place. Getting on the throttle, getting on the brake, even when shifting from first into second.

My impression is stock the RX-8 wants to drift far more than an S2000 or 540i. Since I'm used to driving the latter it makes the former a more "interesting" experience. I feel like I'm getting practical experience how to drift whether I want to or not. :)

Guys, you think drifting is easy? Hahahah, Initial D... do you know who made the cartoon? Keichi Tsychuya, the drift king in Japan. And what .... you think drifting is stupid... I thikn those who said driftin is stupid are the ones that are stupid. You are driving Japanese cars, they designed their cars to suit their driving style. Come on, admit it... Americans can drive shit. All they can do it drive the car in a straight line... and yes they are good at it... but what do you think is more stupid. Being able to drift cars through corners with style and speed or just accelerating in a straight line?
Yes Inital D is a cartoon, and you might think that is total bullshit. But sorry its not, watch Rally drivers... do they alwasy drive with grip? NO.... if they did... the prolly have crashed 100 times. There is always a mix between drift and grip to drive fast. IN road racing you use it less becasue there is more space avaliable so you find your racing line and be able to use it.
Sometime I wish Japanese will still continue to import crappy cars into America, cause you guys just dun appreciate our cars. And this is just not my voice, many designers agree to this... and that's why no high performance cars entered United States...and even if they do... they are not as good as the ones in Japan.

And please.. enlighten yourself if you know nothing about drifting. please visit www.d1gp.com

its the D1 Grand Prix USA...

and YES MOST JAPANESE FR CARS ARE MEANT TO DRIFT...

The RX7 ... NIssan Silvia (thank god they dun have this in America)...


haha scrwe the 350z... its an American Version of JApanese cars.. that;s why they can't turn as well.... RX8 rulz

Sorry to be a total bastard.. but I think America really is far behind in driving.

Originally posted by thanksgiving
Sorry to be a total bastard.. but I think America really is far behind in driving.

You're not a total bastard - you're just ignorant, and obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about with respect to Americans. Pretty unfair gross generalisations, don't you think? Are you trying to incite retaliatory insults about Japanese drivers? You won't get them, most of the forum members here have more class than that.

(BTW, I'm Canadian, not one of the Americans you attacked.)

Regards,
Gordon

For those in Wisconsin, this is like standard winter driving around any turn, since tires don't grip ice that well. The downside is that if you "drift" in Wisconsin in the winter, you'll end up in a snow drift if you screw it up...

Originally posted by thanksgiving
Sorry to be a total bastard.. but I think America really is far behind in driving.
You're not a total bastard, you're just stupid. America has marque clubs for BMW, Porche, Ferrari, Corvette, Viper, NSX, Miata and others that specialize in road racing, track and autocross events. We also have national organizations like the SCCA, NASA and various Karting associations that sponsor race events. How many japanese non-professional racing groups are there? How do their numbers compare to the stateside ones I mentioned?

Guys, you think drifting is easy?
Who in this thread has said drifting is easy? More stupid assumptions.

you think drifting is stupid...
Some people think graphics and stickers on cars are stupid. It's called diversity and it takes all kinds.

You are driving Japanese cars, they designed their cars to suit their driving style. And this is just not my voice, many designers agree to this...
I think japanese car designers design cars to make money. That's why it's called a business.

and YES MOST JAPANESE FR CARS ARE MEANT TO DRIFT...
Here I'm going to call bullshit on you. List all JDM FR cars and cite references showing their designers had drifting as a key requirement. Can't do it? You made the claim, you back it up with proof. Otherwise you're just spewing hot air.

To everyone else: sorry I responded to his troll bait but I couldn't resist.

Originally posted by thanksgiving

Sorry to be a total bastard.. but I think America really is far behind in driving. [/B]


You're not a bastard if you abide by the TOS you agreed to when you signed up for the forum. It's not difficult to post your opinion without insulting people. I think what you meant to say was "I believe that many drivers in the United States do not realize how much fun drifting can be. Please take the time to listen to my reasons, and I'll try to explain as best I can."


Yes, that's a hint.

Originally posted by Gord96BRG
If the point is to get around the corner the quickest, then a power oversteer drift is NOT the way to do it. You don't see Formula1, NASCAR, CART, or any sports car series "drifting" like that, do you? No, because it's the SLOW way around a corner. As Eccles said, a real 4 wheel drift is different (and faster) than a power oversteer drift. Drifting is only about style.

Regards,
Gordon

Drifting is an art. Just like doing a 180degree turns or what John Copper would do to a mini. I think it's for the fun of it rather than gaining advantage during compitition. It's true like what Gordon mentioned, drifting puts you in a 'loose traction' kind of mode. There's a small percentage of possiblity that the car could get out of control, that's why you don't see it being practised in races like the F1... The other reason why races don't use drifting technic is that it eats up rubbers! As race tyres are soft compond, the drivers are suppose to preserve the rubbers and keep the car on the track as long as possible.
People get a car for many reasons. For those who get a car to serve their basic needs of getting from point A to B, picking up kids and wify would probably thinks that drifting is a waste of rubber. Then again, they're probably missing out certain kind of fun. For those who have not try drifting, please try it on the track first, til you master it, never on the public road. Consequences are unthinkable!! Have Fun.

hey

oops forget i posted that

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Ohhh Boy,... You are certainly raising hell here dude. take a little advise. Most forums you are allowed to imput your opinion in order to get feedback and to create a conversation based on 2 different opinions. That doesnt apply to this site.
Ive tried that and everyone starts bashing you, as a matter of fact, if you want to stay in the site you have to suck up to everyone :)
Just my 2 cents on personal experience if you dont want to get kicked out.

Originally posted by RX7FD3
Ohhh Boy,... You are certainly raising hell here dude. take a little advise. Most forums you are allowed to imput your opinion in order to get feedback and to create a conversation based on 2 different opinions. That doesnt apply to this site.
Ive tried that and everyone starts bashing you, as a matter of fact, if you want to stay in the site you have to suck up to everyone :)
Just my 2 cents on personal experience if you dont want to get kicked out.

You can post whatever the heck you want, as long as you abide by the TOS and you're polite about it. Sorry I had to edit your post, but it can do nothing but get ugly if it sticks around.

Originally posted by thanksgiving
***mod edit- post politely or not at all***
This reminds me of a story about a guy visiting China on business. During his stay he observes two Chinese arguing very loudly with each other. He remarks to his host, "Those two are so angry I'm surprised they aren't coming to blows already." "Ah," his host replies, "In China we believe the first person to strike a blow is admitting he has lost the argument."

Come on thanksgiving, can't you reply intelligibly without resorting to variations on "you suck"? Tell me how Japan has more non-professional racing organizations (and amateur racers) than the States. Prove me wrong and cite references showing japanese car designers intentionally design most JDM FR cars to drift. Or are you going to resort to name calling and thereby admit you lost?

the whole point and purpose of a "drift" is to get your car around an apex or hairpin with the greatest entry speed, style, and technique in order to obtain a better lap time. Better lap time within the drifing realm yes, but not the fastest way thru most corners on paved roads. That's why they accrue style points to balance out lap times. It's fun to watch, like automotive ballet or ice skating, but I wouldn't put my own car thru the torture on tires, brakes, engine and driveline components.

The SCCA formally recognizes drifting as a competition class as of this month for next season. Regardless of what the purists think, drifting is here to stay and suppliers are tooling up components for consumer business. (Oh no...I can see it now, The Fast and the Furious III, drift demons)
:D

Originally posted by thanksgiving

The RX7 ... NIssan Silvia (thank god they dun have this in America)...


haha scrwe the 350z... its an American Version of JApanese cars.. that;s why they can't turn as well.... RX8 rulz



man... who died and made you drifting guru. anyway. the SILVIA in america would f*cking awesome. I'd take it over any car except the R34. 350z is an american version of a japanese car?? of course it is. Most import cars in America are american versions of japanese cars. 350z=Fairlady Z different name but basically the same great car. The only reason Japanese cars aren't showing up J-spec on Amrican soil is because of emissions standards.

Originally posted by lickity split
drifting is NOT a better techinique, it's slow, and for show only.. anyone who tries to drift going downhill on the mountains is just plain suicide...

you kids should quit watching so much "Initial D". .. go back to playing your Grand Tourismo and try not to kill yourself as you try to "drift through the next hairpin."

anyone one dumb enuff to start learning to drift on a brand new rx-8 really needs to just grow up...

Then I really have a lot of growing up to do. I'll try and drift any car with an FR drivetrain. Regardless of how new it is. I call it giving my car some love. It's like taking your girlfriend out for dinner. It's a treat. Besides even the CHP (california highway patrol) like to drift. Just go to their training track and watch the fun.

About as close as I come to drifting is breaking the rear loose on a few u-turns that were tight. I need to practice in a big empty parking lot before I take drifting to the street. Else, it may be drifting, sliding, crunching, serving (time)

Originally posted by thered1996
I always refered to it as a '4-wheel drift'. I learned to do it in a 1984 300Z and got pretty good at it in my '79 Alfa Spider in 1985. It was *a lot* easier to do back when performance tires were 195/50 R14.

Having just driven my 8 through a torrential downpour here in GA, I'd have to say this car is too sticky and well mannered to easily break it into a drift. It's way easier when your HP clearly overpowers your tires, IMO.

I'd also have to admit I'm too frugal to purposefully shorten the life of these expensive tires. I drive hard up to the limit of adhesion...beyond is overkill.

- Eric H., Marietta, GA

2004 RX8 titanium
1976 Alfa Romeo Spider
*nod* I have had the same experience in this regard... The only time I can get a semi-drift going, and it's really more of a powerslide with some control is first, when I rev it up and dump the clutch while in motion though I have had some scary experience in doing this because you don't know how much power will dump to the tires until it happens!!

And second, when it's raining I can simply take a turn, hit the gas in a lower gear and get my rear end out.

Aside from that, drifting without the proper tires is a futile task.

Dfrfiting realyl is great fun... and it requires more technique then just normal driving. If you have never drifted, then dun say I am BSing.. if you have you will know.


Hahah ... you guys are just too far behind to ever catch up!!

Japan will never import their top notch cars into US!! woohoo

the moderator got a green RX8 wow that is beautiful!! Never seen a green one around yet... I wonder why

In my opinion Drifting has its place in rally races. Only in rally or loose traction surfaces will drifting get you better lap times. Otherwise it is just for show. It is, however, a good idea to learn how to drift. In bad conditions you never know when your going to loose traction and if you know how to drift you will not be as likely to panic and you can bring the car back to traction quicker and safer. Plus it can be fun in safe circumstances.

-JiM

Not to be an ass Thanksgiving..but it's spelled don't....

"To Rice Or Not To Rice"

"To Drift Or Not To Drift"

"To Care Or Not To Care"

If you hate drifting that much don't post on a drifting thread....:cool:

Originally posted by j1mb0x99
In my opinion Drifting has its place in rally races. Only in rally or loose traction surfaces will drifting get you better lap times. Otherwise it is just for show.It's not just for show, it's a valid sport, just not necessarily one enjoyed by many folks here.

Drifting is to racing as ice dancing is to speed skating or mogul freestyle is to downhill racing - they're entirely different skill sets that happen to use similar equipment and venues. Saying one is more or less valid than the other is disingenuous.

pur nrg...

haha

nur nrg... what kinda name is that.. but anyways

Its understood, that Americans dun deserve to drive the top notch cars. The moderator was just stupid to take out my post cause I did post the links....

I dun wnat to spend my time and find the links again.. what you are tyring to say is there are more American's in love wiht cars then Japan. Hahah... that is just funny, try to find someone that will support that fact. I think you will have a hard time, cause no US company makes good cars... nor good mods... well maybe there is one or two... I can;t say there is NONE.

but yea... to prove my point.. NUR NRG... America really dun deserve the top notch jap cars.

Man.. people like you... its just understood what America does have idiots like you that dun understand things. I wonder why Subaru didn't import their STi Spec C, or the STi wagon... or why did Mitsubishi did not import their GSR... you guys have the crappy 5 speed version with NO AYC (you even know what that is...I dun thikn so). Why did US have the uglier and slower version of the RX7 and the cheaper and slower verison of even the normal WRX? Cause Japanese dun think you guys deserve to drive out top notch car. What do you think?

I am sorry.... I should not generalize all Americans... but just the whole world just hate america. The terriost attacks and wars against America... are great proofs. Can you find proof to back up the fact that peple dun? can you reply to that NUR NRG... guys like you are so full of themselves...

I love drifting ... dun take me wrong.

Man... I don't care if the moderator take this out... YOU, SIR, ARE AN ASSHOLE

Originally posted by sup3rbad
The only reason Japanese cars aren't showing up J-spec on Amrican soil is because of emissions standards.

And that they are right hand drive.

NO, how does the lancer evolution having a 6 speed and the AYC affect the emission standard?

And they are right hand drive? They made the STi left hand, why not the Spec C and the other ones. Do you guys know anything about spec C? They are the lighter version of the STi, wiht a different ECU... oh well see.. I am right... you guys know nothing about cars. And still dun deserve to drive the top notch cars in Japan. Go and drive the Mustangs =)

A trolling we will go, a trolling we will go, high ho the merry o a trolling we will go...

Originally posted by thanksgiving
NO, how does the lancer evolution having a 6 speed and the AYC affect the emission standard?

And they are right hand drive? They made the STi left hand, why not the Spec C and the other ones. Do you guys know anything about spec C? They are the lighter version of the STi, wiht a different ECU... oh well see.. I am right... you guys know nothing about cars. And still dun deserve to drive the top notch cars in Japan. Go and drive the Mustangs =)

I take it you are Japanese... So what about the Japanese people living in th US?

not a lot of Japanese people lives in America.

How's this TG?

1965 at a national guard helicopter paved 1/4 mile triangle known as Miles Square. "Drifting" just like in the vids posted here in my '58 Impala (bubble hood and no bumper) w/ punched, "blueprinted", 301 w/ 327 heads, balanced crank and alu pistons plus dual quads (6 MPG @ $0.25/gal for "high test"). Just ask the model airplane flyers who always seemed to scatter whenever I made it down to their end of the "strip." Yeah, we wuz have'n some smokey fun even back then and sure weren't the first. Even stuck my leg out the window once! Btw, I'm Japanese-American(great granpa caught one of the first "official" boats here), so there are a few of us around who appreciate your enthusiasm, but would prefer your keeping it in your pants, if you catch my "DRIFT." LOL

(Wha'd he say?)

Originally posted by thanksgiving
America really dun deserve the top notch jap cars.

Cause Japanese dun think you guys deserve to drive out top notch car. What do you think?

You are so right. I hide my head in shame. I am not deserving to drive your top notch car. :(

First I have no idea what MPG was trying to say, I think he was in a little world of his own... but lets all just forget about him.

that is just some shit that you can make up if you want. I dun thik Americans are known to be good drivers? What do you think? Who invented drifting first... its hard to say... how about you answer me who invented cars? Not the first production car, but the first car? Who?

Come on, just admit that you guys can only turn left and drive in straight lines. You guys deserve your Fords, Saturns, Mecury (why the hell do you guys name cars after planets? I wonder when Earth is goign to come out), and the Chevy that is just like a rock (that means that its heavy, can;t move, and has no value at all. Who the hell would use a rock to try help sell their cars.... interesting American ideas. I really have to bow down to that! =))

Let me think of some good american cars! the Mustang!! The Viper!! The Camaro!! and I am sure there are lots more... but guess what... the go like super very fast down the straights only to know that they hvae no brakes at all and their cars can turn at all. Woohoo and htey say hello to the wall.

But all your American heros!! my thumbs up, I mean if you guys actually go on a trip and see some parts of the world. I am sure what you will understand what I am trying to say. Some.. moderator I said some not all.. Americans are just so interested in bombing other countries. Woohoo, spend all the americna tax money on bombing targets that cost half the price of the missle you just fired. Great job

And drifing, can you guys tell me a few techniquews on how to start a drift?

Hail JDM!!!
All merican cars sucks go boom in to wall!!!!
They cant move!!!!
Nice going tg!!!

Hail King Tsuchiya!!!
Hail King Tsuchiya!!

i know the guys that run the drift events on the east coast and yeah we have 240sx's that are converted to 180sx's and silvia's and every kind of car that can drift does drift. its hard to do it well but its not brain surgery just takes lots of practice and trashed tires :)

Originally posted by thanksgiving
First I have no idea what MPG was trying to say, I think he was in a little world of his own... but lets all just forget about him.
maybe you are in a world of your own?

that is just some shit that you can make up if you want. I dun thik Americans are known to be good drivers? What do you think? Who invented drifting first... its hard to say... how about you answer me who invented cars? Not the first production car, but the first car? Who?
Dont know who invented the first car. There is alot of debate about that.
As far as americans not being good drivers...neither are japanese, or germans or anyone. Unless you are a professional race car driver (which america has more of than any other country BTW) I dont think you're a good driver. IM pretty sure youre not a prefessional...so you cant drive either.

Come on, just admit that you guys can only turn left and drive in straight lines. You guys deserve your Fords, Saturns, Mecury (why the hell do you guys name cars after planets? I wonder when Earth is goign to come out), and the Chevy that is just like a rock (that means that its heavy, can;t move, and has no value at all. Who the hell would use a rock to try help sell their cars.... interesting American ideas. I really have to bow down to that! =))
more on american race car drivers...
http://www.imp.mc/rocwebsite/index.htm
on the left menu click "the race" then click on "results"
the winners of the ROC nations cup...hmmm all americans who would've thought?
And the like a rock is refering to trucks...which should be tough...

Let me think of some good american cars! the Mustang!! The Viper!! The Camaro!! and I am sure there are lots more... but guess what... the go like super very fast down the straights only to know that they hvae no brakes at all and their cars can turn at all. Woohoo and htey say hello to the wall.
Great you show us your ignorance!
Lets compare the Viper (since you brought it up) to an NSX.
Speed: viper wins (duh!)
braking: viper wins (nsx 70-0 164 feet, viper 70-0 153 feet)
Skidpad: viper wins (nsx .93 g's, viper 1.03g's)
Slalom: viper wins (nsx 66mph, viper 68.6mph)
Now take a corvette Z06, and it will handily beat an NSX in any performance test, while costing 25-30 THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS. (basically you could buy an rx8 with the left over money)
Now these cars beat pretty much any japanese car that isnt a 'super car'.
RX7, Skyline GTR, Supra, NSX, 300zx TT, 350z, EVO, STi, S2k...all would handily get thier asses whooped on.
HMMM starting to look like japanese cars cant brake, turn or even go fast.

Oh how about the fact that a FWD neon (srt4) out accelerates, brakes (YES OUT BRAKES!!) your RX8...while costing $10,000 less!
Im not saying its a better car...just americans have some awosome cars as well.

But all your American heros!! my thumbs up, I mean if you guys actually go on a trip and see some parts of the world. I am sure what you will understand what I am trying to say. Some.. moderator I said some not all.. Americans are just so interested in bombing other countries. Woohoo, spend all the americna tax money on bombing targets that cost half the price of the missle you just fired. Great job
I've been to other parts of the world and lived in other countries. Never been to japan, but my brother lived there for a year.
I thought we were talking about cars; not politics.

And drifing, can you guys tell me a few techniquews on how to start a drift?
Why would you want to listen to us americans?

Oh and dont think im an american car fonboy...im far from it.
I drive a japanese car and my next car will probably be japanese (or german). You just need to learn that there is no one country that produces the best cars or drivers. You also need to learn that there a bunch of american cars that would handily whoop your ass in any given performance test or on a track...

Have a nice day.

Americans lie man... what the fuck. Lincoln said their car was better then BMW 5 series. There are always shit liek that. You believe advertisements, or results that are dun by car magazines? The magazine from Road and Track about the RX8 technical data is almost bs. The MPG didn;t match, the horsepower didn't match, the 0-60 was almost impossible to do and the 1/4 mile time is hard to achieve. Yeah yeah yeha, Germans are not good drivers... hmm I know Michael Schumacher sucks. He sucks so much.... just save it lawerence. Think about it, if the Vipers and the Corvetts really are that good. They would be famous around the world for racing. I mean just look at the viper for example. I mean its fucking nice, but the head of the car is so heavy. I am damn sure that it is fucking head heavy and will understeer like a fucker. And if u are so smart lawerence, can you tell me what the fuck MPG was trying to say. I really wanna know.

Hahah, I truely believe only the Supra and the GTR will kick you sissy ass man. WHAHAHAH sorry I jus thad to laugh.... how stupid to say that. I am sure a ferrari can kick GTR and Supra's ass... but American cars. Well of course you have to play it fair and let the GTR have a little bit of modification. Because in Japan, the cars are programmed so it won;t go pass 180kph (about 115mph). Just let JUN tune the car, and so it will be about 1000 horsepower. Lets see what will happen. I have seen the F50 race against the GTR in Hong Kong for a 1/4 mile. They were pretty close but the GTR still lost by .08 seconds or so. But that is against F50, not the shitty Americna cars.

You just dun want to admit that Americans can;t drive. Its okay. A lot of people think so. I mnea, getting a lisence in US is like so easy. You start the car, drive 3 blocks with all left turns (woohoo idiot nascar racers) and stop the car. And there you go, your lisence....

Originally posted by RX7FD3
You should get someone to record and post some videos in here dude. That would be awesome. Saul So you decided to buy one huh. A blue one at that. Guess I better get some rims so our cars wont look alike.

Thanksgiving used the "F" so much you know he's getting nervous. Round 1 goes to Lawrence. Round 2 anyone?

Originally posted by sup3rbad
Round 2 anyone?

Nope, not worth my (or anyone's) time arguing with this racist bigot (by that I mean the user 'thanksgiving'). He'll ignore any supported proven arguments you make and just spout the same racist, bigoted, profane garbage back.

Why, I'm sure he doesn't even know who Phil Hill, Dan Gurney, Richie Ginter, Peter Revson, or Mario Andretti are, much less realise that these American drivers have all won Formula1 races (2 of them, World Championships) in their driving careers. He probably doesn't know who Gilles Villeneuve or Jacques Villeneuve are either, or that they're Canadians who've won World Championships or F1 races too.

Not knowing them, he probably conveniently ignores the fact that there's never been a Japanese driver who's won a F1 race, in fact there's never been a Japanese F1 driver who's been good enough to make it into F1 without having a big sponsor or Japanese engine manufacturer pay a Formula1 team to have him drive. Even Takuma Sato, considered to be the best racing driver to ever come from Japan, can only get a Formula1 drive when Honda pays for it or bullies the teams they supply engines to let Sato drive.

See, if thanksgiving knew all that, then he could hardly claim such superiority for Japanese drivers over American drivers - how else could he ignore the obvious superiority of American (and North American) drivers over Japanese drivers at the very peak of automobile competition, where only the best of the best drivers ever make it?

Then again, he mentions Schumacher... maybe thanksgiving really is just a racist troll, and nothing more. Either way, he's definitely not worth arguing with.

Regards,
Gordon

guys, calm it..... before I have to moderate y'all... ;-)

I guess I qualify as as close to an outsider on this arguement as it's possible to be, so might I just point out that other forum members are complaining about the language and general bickering going in in this thread....

SO!... Please try to express your opinions a little more eloquently!

My personal comment is:-

"Lawrence" should watch some "Initial D"

and

"Thanksgiving" should watch some Autocross

Hopefully gain some appreciation for each others preferred way of enjoying their cars...

Idiot, why would I get nervous. Its not like i am talking face to face wiht anyone of you. Haha... round 1, is this some kinda fight?

Haha only diss the Americans, not another one else. So yeha, other drivers do rock. Read my other post carefully pls.

Sorry, I really never have herad of the guys that you talked about, only the current F1 drivers. And what cars do these guys drive. Forumla Race cars, do you drive those cars? No... you drive street cars, except for Formula Nippon other racing series drives street modified cars. I think in La mans 24 hours race, Keiichi Tychuya did win two. And so did other drivers. Woohoo, bunch of idiots.

im taking offense to all this "american drivers sucks" stuff, im am still learning how to drift and i will admit that i am not that good but i am getting better, and i will be very good.almost every car that is well built for drifting is japanese, but that doesnt mean that americans cant drive. in fact one of my good friends who is american just got signed onto SIGNAL AUTOS driver team, he will be their third driver, and he obviously doesnt suck. and you (thanksgiving) can talk all you want, but i guarantee i know at least 20 american drifters that are better then you. so before you go generalizing maybe you shoudl realize that you are in america, idiot. and about drifting, you may want to argue that it originated in japan, but that is totally untrue, it started in rally racing like what? umm 40 years ago? drifting in japan started in the 80s. they did turn it into a sport but all they did was transfer it onto paved race tracks and made it into a pointed style based competition, like a skateboarding comp or etc. i mean come on everything you are saying is just completly born of ignorance, christ.

Interesting RX7FD3, every topic you've been posting lately have haters in them. Maybe you should give it a break eh?

Originally posted by sup3rbad
Man... I don't care if the moderator take this outShouldn't that be "I dun care"? ;)

Originally posted by thanksgiving
Americans lie man... what the fuck. Lincoln said their car was better then BMW 5 series. There are always shit liek that. You believe advertisements, or results that are dun by car magazines?
Hmmm lincon compares the LS to the 5 series so all americans lie?
I fail to see a connection.


The magazine from Road and Track about the RX8 technical data is almost bs. The MPG didn;t match, the horsepower didn't match, the 0-60 was almost impossible to do and the 1/4 mile time is hard to achieve.
And you are blaming Road & track for that?
The MPG and HP didnt match because MAZDA (mazda of japan actually) overrated the car not R&T. And because they got a good 1/4 mile time they are liers? No. THat just means they can drive. (hmm americans that can drive...who would've thought?)
Yeah yeah yeha, Germans are not good drivers... hmm I know Michael Schumacher sucks. He sucks so much.... just save it lawerence.
Never said michael schu sucks...I said unless your a professional driver I dont consider you good. Geuss what; he is a professional driver. You on the other hand are not.

Think about it, if the Vipers and the Corvetts really are that good. They would be famous around the world for racing.
They are. If you dont see it you are just blinded by your hatred for america.

I mean just look at the viper for example. I mean its fucking nice, but the head of the car is so heavy. I am damn sure that it is fucking head heavy and will understeer like a fucker.
Are you trying to be stupid or are you joking? I mean, before this I gave you some credit...you know...thinking you can actually read. Now I see exactly how you are, you dont care about the facts (ie the viper handles awosome look at the #'s i showed you before) because you are so caught up for your hatred of everything american.

And if u are so smart lawerence, can you tell me what the fuck MPG was trying to say. I really wanna know.
WTF are you talking about. I didnt read this whole thread. I just read your babble and thought I would share some info. But now I know you cant accept facts because of your blind fanboy-ism.

Hahah, I truely believe only the Supra and the GTR will kick you sissy ass man. WHAHAHAH sorry I jus thad to laugh.... how stupid to say that.
They will kick my ass? In what? A race? A game of poker? How about you make complete thoughts?

I am sure a ferrari can kick GTR and Supra's ass... but American cars. Well of course you have to play it fair and let the GTR have a little bit of modification. Because in Japan, the cars are programmed so it won;t go pass 180kph (about 115mph).
Just let JUN tune the car, and so it will be about 1000 horsepower. Lets see what will happen.
Wait a minute...if these cars are so awosome how come you have to mod it when you compare it to a stock corvette?
If you want to compare a 1000hp skyline to something...fine; compare it to a Lingenfelter TT 427 Vette (1/4 mile in 8.9 @ 153mph).

I have seen the F50 race against the GTR in Hong Kong for a 1/4 mile. They were pretty close but the GTR still lost by .08 seconds or so. But that is against F50, not the shitty Americna cars.
Why are they shitty? Oh, thats right, because your ignorant.


You just dun want to admit that Americans can;t drive. Its okay. A lot of people think so. I mnea, getting a lisence in US is like so easy. You start the car, drive 3 blocks with all left turns (woohoo idiot nascar racers) and stop the car. And there you go, your lisence....
Actually you only have to drive 1 block and you dont even have to turn.
Go away troll. You cant possibly be as stupid as your pretending to be so you must be a troll. Regardless im done arguing because its like talking to a brick wall (actually, I think brick walls have more common sense than you).

I think this thread has run out of constructive comments...

Closing.