Meant to post earlier but I woke up late and have been very busy most of the day. I just wanted to say that it was great meeting familiar and new faces as always. The turn out was great and it was a pleasure meeting Charles and Jeff again.

Razz,

Sorry to hear about your frustration. The Dyno did have a couple of corks however, aside from that it did serve it's purpose and provided the information necessary so that Jeff could fine tune the AP and help out the FI guys. Let's try to keep this civil and positive.

Still waiting...

patience damn you! -i'm resizing damn near 200 images and loading up the other half...:banghead:

use imagicmagick and batch the job!

patience damn you! -i'm resizing damn near 200 images and loading up the other half...:banghead:Still waiting...

are we there yet? :D:

I'm hungry... I need to use the bathroom.... Are we there yet?

Pics are up. :)

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2431386

^thank You Sir! Pic's Are Up Gent's!

Your picture taking skills sucks because missed my car!

Your picture taking skills sucks because missed my car!

ROFL

Thanks for taking the pics and posting them guys, good stuff.

lawl lawl law!

Sucks the AP wasn't compatible with the 08' A/T - i wish i would've stuck around to bug MM for a test on my 06. :(

P.S.- the picture taking was my pleasure :) - i just wish i was more of a photographer.

looks like you gave up on how to make you engine bay look neat. and the bumper.... =/ come on man its an 8 not a civic.

never give up, muhahahah

^ +1. that front bumper looks like crap. you still havent gotten wider tires either.

yea, lots of shit, but oh well, maybe i should accept donations?

go ahead and accept donations, but i dont know how well you will get them.

btw - VIVA THE 6SPEED A/T!111!! :)

+1 on that!

160 hp to my paltry 119 hp :*(

dont give us that crap taj. to me thats ghetto. but it is your car and im sorry, but again, it is not a civic.

haha, ghetto, lol, thats the first time in my life anyone uses that word on me :) I feel honored.

and yea, engine bay looking neat really low on my list of "to care", hey, it works and will probably outlast your car, so oh well :D

ps: you know its true since you has a turbo

that doesnt mean that your engine will outlast his.

it will trust me :), i rarely f'ing drive my car as it is

btw, Chet?!?!?

wtf happened to your acct?

that doesnt matter. if his engine it tuned and taken care of properly, it will last just as long as the others.

my account was banned cause of me being drunk and stupid.

damn man, that sucks :(

i was wonderin who it was :D

hopefully it does, ^^ his mazsport turbo is beautiful too :D

You So. Cal 8 owners put on a nice party - a little long but a great turnout with some of the nicest guys and gals I've ever met. I will not mention any names cuz I'd be sure of leaving someone out but thank you for making me feel so welcome. I hope to make you feel as welcome when you come Vegas.

you were awesome Phil! its nice to finally meet you, Ray and Jeff (the Latter 2 probably think I'm insane, if they havent already)

I liked this meet alot, got to see those great turbo 8s :D

I dont know whether that is a good or a bad thing :)

but it was an honor to see you work, hopefully I learned something, if there is one thing I admire about you, its your attention to details, I need that badly

you're my hero :) hopefully I can order somestuff by then

yea, I'm definitly going to Yoshiya to do some suspension stuff to my car soon :)

haha if lasting was an issue i wouldn't have gotten turbo to begin with. and no nitrous doesn't outlast a turbo. how it is maintained and driven is how long it will last.

while i was nitrous it was awesome. Ray told me not to spray until 4k.... i swear half the time on nitrous i used it at 1800-2200 at 65shot with racing beat race flash.

last of all if lasting long was an issue i wouldn't be trying to push it to 450whp in the near future. :spank:

haha, ghetto, lol, thats the first time in my life anyone uses that word on me :) I feel honored.

and yea, engine bay looking neat really low on my list of "to care", hey, it works and will probably outlast your car, so oh well :D

ps: you know its true since you has a turbo

Jorge(HorHay;)) is already working on another MM/CRH appearance and I would like to have a LOT of installs of my own to do. I can't let Jeff have ALL the glory!:lol2: We can line up some clutch/flywheel swaps, brake kits(pads and rotors), swaybars/suspensions, stuff like that..
Yup, stay tuned for something mid-june. I might even have some sway bars lying around for you to install.

Plus, Yoshiya, Jeff, and myself enjoyed each other and share a common desire to provide quality, detail-oriented, service and installation. You guys need to tell Yoshiya that I am right about his needing to raise his hourly rate. Honest people like him need our support and the best way to do that is to make sure he doesn't go out of business for having "given away the farm", as it were. Tip him when you can, too
^^^^ the absolute truth.
Glad you guys got along with Yoshiya, I know he really enjoyed having everyone around.

haha if lasting was an issue i wouldn't have gotten turbo to begin with. and no nitrous doesn't outlast a turbo. how it is maintained and driven is how long it will last.

while i was nitrous it was awesome. Ray told me not to spray until 4k.... i swear half the time on nitrous i used it at 1800-2200 at 65shot with racing beat race flash.

last of all if lasting long was an issue i wouldn't be trying to push it to 450whp in the near future. :spank:

I know Tommy, chill man, I pretty much like all of you guys, I know your comments are meant for the best, but I'm just f'ing lazy :D I'll re wire the thing when I do stuff to my engine compartment, right now I'm doing suspensions first :D

ps: dude, don't blow your car up!! that is one sick 8!

I'll make sure Phil is there with a cold drink in one hand and a stop watch in the other. ;)

Dont worry about me, lol. thinking about having scott build me a 20b Renesis NA. still following on crispeeds(i think thats how its spelled) thread than ill make my decision after that. i had a 20b but sold it to a local shop because it was too much hassle and work. now i regret selling it. :banghead:

I know Tommy, chill man, I pretty much like all of you guys, I know your comments are meant for the best, but I'm just f'ing lazy :D I'll re wire the thing when I do stuff to my engine compartment, right now I'm doing suspensions first :D

ps: dude, don't blow your car up!! that is one sick 8!

too much hassle so you sold it, but now you want another one??? You truly are a glutton for punishment. ;)

I say just have MM and CRH hook you up with some upgraded parts for your turbo kit and you'll be rockin'!

JeEeDiIii! Where art thou dyno results?

they be eth at Neptune Speedith. They are guarded by a brave and fierce Samurai

The Jedi Counsil have ordered you to go and retrieve them. May the Force be with you.

watch out for baba fett, he's not strong but very tricky he his..

^ this thead along with the media dyno thread has gone long in a short time, I got a lot of reading and catching to do :)

would you believe i'm reading books with most of the original star wars
characters. they all have kids now.

^ oldies are goodies.

haha cause i tried building one myself. turns out imma dummy. ill stick to my cheap honda parts. this time it will be built by a shop. still deciding. leaning towards mazsport but well see.

P.S. - dyno day was awesome!!! except for everyone hating on us turbo guys making us go last!!!! :rant:

too much hassle so you sold it, but now you want another one??? You truly are a glutton for punishment. ;)

I say just have MM and CRH hook you up with some upgraded parts for your turbo kit and you'll be rockin'!

haha cause i tried building one myself. turns out imma dummy. ill stick to my cheap honda parts. this time it will be built by a shop. still deciding. leaning towards mazsport but well see.

P.S. - dyno day was awesome!!! except for everyone hating on us turbo guys making us go last!!!! :rant:

haha but the turbo guys got like 10000 runs on the dyno as opposed to the normal 3 for NA!

haha cause i tried building one myself. turns out imma dummy. ill stick to my cheap honda parts. this time it will be built by a shop. still deciding. leaning towards mazsport but well see.

P.S. - dyno day was awesome!!! except for everyone hating on us turbo guys making us go last!!!! :rant:

yeah bro, your car was on that dyno for almost an hour! Besides, it's US who got jipped on that deal. You guys were supposed to be the "Grand Finale" to the night with your big 300 whp numbers. :icon_no2: (just kidding)

Still an awesome event!

My bad Ray for the poor shots - you're more in shape than i am so i guess i thought you looked fine? haha -

btw - vid's up later tonight :)

My bad Ray for the poor shots - you're more in shape than i am so i guess i thought you looked fine? haha -

btw - vid's up later tonight :)

I'm upset too.........you made me look fat and old!!:lol: Nice batch of pics, great group, the best host and a shop that truly liked us.

how about i ship you the whole crate and have you port and build me one ray? than when its ready we can have some fun? and jeff can come as well to do the tune? that would be awesome!!!

BTW i hope slavearm is doing ok. maybe he'll chime in and tell us hows his car coming along??

i hope fox and slavearm didn't get murdered by their ladies?

fox/slave ---> :Eyecrazy: :rant: <---their ladies.

lol jk jk

Either Jeff, myself, or both of us can come out and take care of ya, Tommy. Maybe a night or two before the next dyno meet or something(?).

No, she didnt murder me but She managed to break my left leg with the breaker bar....
Now i cant drive my car even its been tuned by Jeff...

fox's lady slept ALL day, not much to complain about. ;)

yea, and she also finished all the magazines, comics and whatever's in the waiting room, lol

haha! She should have helped us finish off the cake. I think there were like 6 pieces still left at the end of the night. :)

lol, i think there's somthing really serious happened to slavearm.
he hasnt been posting since saturday

he was able to drive his car away on Sat. night. He got the Int-X hooked back in and it started right up. :dunno:

^crap - i hope slave is alright...i know we kept him out wayyy longer than he was supposed to be :(

His wife probably made him sleep on the couch and put a password on the computer as a punishment.

I'm upset too.........you made me look fat and old!!:lol: Nice batch of pics, great group, the best host and a shop that truly liked us.

freakin' crap! EVERYBODY AVOID MY CAMERA! IT ADDS WEIGHT AND AGES YOU!! :banghead:

HAHA - definately a pleasure meeting you too Phil!

good job on the pics Atilla

haha i sat there for about 10 mins it was fing hot! iono how she could stand it and slept in there. we were talking and she asked if a turbo 8 can keep up with a 350Z :banghead:

oh yeah and why was she so struck when she found out i spent 8k on my kit? did you not spend close to 6k?? :squint:

yea, and she also finished all the magazines, comics and whatever's in the waiting room, lol

maybe she was thinking getting 8 designer handbags is a better investment than 1 turbo that can barely keep up with 350z, lol

haha i sat there for about 10 mins it was fing hot! iono how she could stand it and slept in there. we were talking and she asked if a turbo 8 can keep up with a 350Z :banghead:

oh yeah and why was she so struck when she found out i spent 8k on my kit? did you not spend close to 6k?? :squint:

barely keep up witha z?!?! by the time my tunes the way i want i will dominate the Z for always ruining my nice enjoyful daily driving by coming up on my ass and reving the crap outa me. hahahah. then again it was fun being dead side by side witha Z with my mods.

good job on the pics Atilla

Thanks ocho - hopefully the vid i come out with gets the same amount of praise :eyetwitch

yup, and I just realized that I could have bought a wiring harness from psycho fox at the damn meet!!! omgwtfbbq!! I suck at life

I wanna see tommy, psycho fox and the turbo #s pls pls!!

i have none hahaha jeff only tuned out as much as he can for daily driving. he didn't get to touch the boost area because his eyes got watery and he started crying. and mr yoshiya got high ff fumes and had a big fat smile at every flame my car shot.

As for fox i think hes having some bogging issues. not sure about gregs. and i dont know how slavearms doing.

god damn man, that sucks, I wasn't there for the latter parts cus I had to leave :(

I hope your cars get resolved soon!

All of us turboed 8s needed extensive tuning from Jeff but we only had so much time that night.

so you guys didn't go to razz's bbq afterall?

so you guys didn't go to razz's bbq afterall?
I don't think he was still having it at 11:30pm.

yeah we had a thought of driving up and down his street,
but figured it would better to let jeff,Phil, and ray get some rest.
plus we thought his neighbors might get just a tiny bit upset.

So, am I the only first batch AP user still running an original old school map now? I'm seeing Jeff and others post comments of different maps, and now there are dyno tunes to consider from your marathon session. Is it time for me to fly Jeff up here for a one day dyno tune for my setup now that is complete for NA?

what exactly do you mean by old school maps?

i went on the dyno and was unable to find a better map than the one i originally got on the dyno with. it was the 1b_2a map that ive had for a really long time now.

also got the highest dyno numbers out of the NA manuals that were out there. most had cats though, i had a straight pipe.

My car is running fine on the intx. It has some quirks, and I could nit pick, but realistically my car is running fine. The wife was quite upset to say the least, but had more to do with the whole blown engine thing than anything else.... but as you guys with women know, sometimes a small spark (late night) starts a big fire.

holy moly shane is still alive!!! awesome dude!

BTW... phil looks nothing like his avatar... he is much hotter!

Shane!! what happened to your car! did it finally work?

what exactly do you mean by old school maps?

i went on the dyno and was unable to find a better map than the one i originally got on the dyno with. it was the 1b_2a map that ive had for a really long time now.

also got the highest dyno numbers out of the NA manuals that were out there. most had cats though, i had a straight pipe.


I do not have the 1b_2a named maps. I only have the very first ones with the different naming conventions it seems. None of mine are like yours it seems, hence I'm "old school" now. LOL

Shane!! what happened to your car! did it finally work?

I thought the quote saying it is running on the intx kinda covered it =)

The AP Dongles that cobb sent out were running a FUBARd firmware version. Even once we got it flashing, we were not able to get it running on the AP.

I meant for the AP ofcourse, so in the end, AP no work huh :(

sucks

Sucks is correct... I gotta smog my car in a few months.

@.@ find a "friendly shop"

I meant for the AP ofcourse, so in the end, AP no work huh

AP worked. The car did not.
I'll bet a fingernail or two that an afternoon of digging into the harness would reveal the culprit - especially since I have other cars with similar primary injectors setups that run perfectly.

so, is Jedi posting the dyno sheets on this thread?
Jedi where are you?

I bet it was your avatar MM

so what was we has saying?

glad to have ya back Jeff

AP worked. The car did not.
I'll bet a fingernail or two that an afternoon of digging into the harness would reveal the culprit - especially since I have other cars with similar primary injectors setups that run perfectly.

It may cost you a fingernail or two! I have played harness fun before! Honestly, there was too much going on for Jeff or anyone else to devout enough attention to really figure it out.

Alright: Good News / Bad News time......

good news: I have the dyno files from Saturday
bad news: most of them were not saved properly.

For some reason most of us have all our dyno runes 'saved' but the files are all the SAME. ie; Jedi runs 1-6 are all 129.9. :dunno:

I guess there won't be a giant thread with dyno #'s after all. Besides, the real mission was to get most of the cars properly tuned and thanks to Jeff, that was taken care of.

I just wanted to thank EVERYONE who showed up on Saturday for the great support and fun. The event wouldn't have been what it was without all of you there.

THANKS!!!!

So, when are we doing it again?
When are we putting up a collection to buy Yoshiya-san a new dyno?

Alright: Good News / Bad News time......

good news: I have the dyno files from Saturday
bad news: most of them were not saved properly.

For some reason most of us have all our dyno runes 'saved' but the files are all the SAME. ie; Jedi runs 1-6 are all 129.9. :dunno:

I guess there won't be a giant thread with dyno #'s after all. Besides, the real mission was to get most of the cars properly tuned and thanks to Jeff, that was taken care of.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/r3v3r3nd_album/fail1.jpg

So, when are we doing it again?
Hopefully SOON. Say some time in this summer? Would really depend on your schedule

When are we putting up a collection to buy Yoshiya-san a new dyno?
I need to talk to him to see if he's planning on getting it looked at soon. Don't dyno owners often have service contracts? If he does, maybe we can get it looked at and see about a software upgrade as well.

everyone dynoed there should scan their dyno sheets and post, hehe

if people want to scan / email them to me, I'll put them all up in one thread.

No scanner...

VIDEO POSTED YOU GUYS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukomUo5R_s

sent you a pm jedi

nice vid...

nice one Paris!

thanx!

Yikes!

Razz did you talk to your cousin bout t3h paint yet?

hey MM!! good to see you back on the forum. i wanted to thank you again for doing my tune so late at night. car runs great out of boost up to about 6500rpm. cant wait for the next dyno day.

we should get him a dyno that youre familiar with jeff. :lol:

So, when are we doing it again?
When are we putting up a collection to buy Yoshiya-san a new dyno?

hey MM!! good to see you back on the forum. i wanted to thank you again for doing my tune so late at night. car runs great out of boost up to about 6500rpm. cant wait for the next dyno day.

we should get him a dyno that youre familiar with jeff. :lol:

Glad its better. We were just trying to get it to run clean at part throttle. We never got into boost.
It will take a real tune to get you where you should be.

A DynaPack would be nice!

that would be awesome hey. hey how far will you be from MM and both of you from vegas? i go to vegas a lot and figured if you guys are on the way or not so far out the way i can swing by and get that throttle body extension for meth injection and bigger radiator and throw it on a dyno for jeff to tune?(if i havn't had a tune by then)

I am hoping by next CA meet that Jeff and I will be driving our own cars in......I may be moved to AZ by then!;)

A DynaPack would be nice!

whoa! dynapack is close to 70k!! ok every has to donate and sell a kidney as well. :lol:

how far will you be from MM and both of you from vegas?

I'm about 5 hours from Vegas and also go there pretty regularly.
Ray will probably land about an hour south of me, closer to Tucson.

I'm about 5 hours from Vegas and also go there pretty regularly.
Ray will probably land about an hour south of me, closer to Tucson.

phil get the vegas dyno day going! MM make sure you dyno my car before we go hang out at the casino or else i might not have a car to dyno. :spank:

next time at Norcal

phil get the vegas dyno day going! MM make sure you dyno my car before we go hang out at the casino or else i might not have a car to dyno. :spank:

Well I am having a problem getting a date commitment from Jeff right now. He is a very popular guy. He used to come up here every few weeks but now I am having trouble getting him here in a month. I already have a date set up in May but he got waylaid to Lime Rock for tuning the race cars so now I have to reschedule it for later.

that would be awesome hey. hey how far will you be from MM and both of you from vegas? i go to vegas a lot and figured if you guys are on the way or not so far out the way i can swing by and get that throttle body extension for meth injection and bigger radiator and throw it on a dyno for jeff to tune?(if i havn't had a tune by then)

damn it Tommy! now I know where you got all that mod money from!!

beating up homeless people in LV!!

Dude, believe it or not. Homeless people make alot...

which is why tommy has the mazsport turbo!

haha or AM i a homeless person in LV during the weekends?? :lol:

but seriously it wwould be awesome to take a trip to las vegas and hang out with other 8s. make sure to put me on the list phil when you launch this thing!!

maybe we could meet them in baker and take over the town for a day..

yeah or we can cruise with 20 cars there for a once in a life time meet. hahaha

^ lol, yea the sherriffs there would be like

i aint want any troubles y'all so please, be civilized

oh and he's saying that from a speaker fone in a 1980 chevy SUV

what you say jedi. i know you got stuff on your plate, but that would be a heck of a drive for all, if we could get the vegas guys to meet there

I'd definitely be up for a weekend trip out to Vegas. Been a while since I've seen Sin City.

do i hear group rate

I'd definitely be up for a weekend trip out to Vegas. Been a while since I've seen Sin City.
I have a good friend who drives a blue 8 that may get a group room rate for a meet with the Cali crew. Let's see how many would be coming and when. If this is viable, set a date and lets see if we can make it happen. Vegas would not be that much further than Baker and a lot more to do.

might be interested depending on time and of course if work will allow

fucking

i cant

T.T i have finals + going back to Thailand

I'll be hanging out with bitches and pimpin cheap hoes why you guys can all bake out in the sun

but goodluck nontheless!

whoa whoa whoa!!11

road trip to vegas + possible group room rate??!!

where's my invite!? :(

Atilla: you are formally invited. :)

HELL YES!!11

Let me order (not pay) for the first drinks!

I have a great party starting shot you guys oughta try :)

wait...have we even set a date yet?? lol

HELL YES!!11

Let me order (not pay) for the first drinks!

I have a great party starting shot you guys oughta try :)

wait...have we even set a date yet?? lol

My suggestion would be to pick a couple of dates so that my room contact has some flexibility. We could then get a rate package together and set the meet with drives and events. My contact will need the date of arrival, single or double room, date of departure (some may wish to come early and stay late)

I would also suggest that one person handle it on your end (Jedi seems an excellent choice).

i second that^^

taj bring me back a wife. :)
oh wait did my girl friend see this..:uhh:

Alright: Good News / Bad News time......

good news: I have the dyno files from Saturday
bad news: most of them were not saved properly.

For some reason most of us have all our dyno runes 'saved' but the files are all the SAME. ie; Jedi runs 1-6 are all 129.9. :dunno:

I guess there won't be a giant thread with dyno #'s after all. Besides, the real mission was to get most of the cars properly tuned and thanks to Jeff, that was taken care of.

Jeez! No dyno #s? That sucks major balls. I was looking forward to something at least...is this the final word on this?

yes.

too bad I couldn't get my nawzzz tuned, I had all the 75 shot and 100 shot jets too :(

oh well, I guess I'll blow a manifold on my own

too bad I couldn't get my nawzzz tuned, I had all the 75 shot and 100 shot jets too :(

oh well, I guess I'll blow a manifold on my own

How would you tune an ECU without a Cobb AP? I guess you could have an Ultimate or an X but not you:lol2:

Vegas?!?! I'm there.
As long as it's on a weekend, count me in pretty much any time.
I will be in Vegas 4th of July weekend, and I have free nights offers in May and June. (Sorry, free nights only for 2ppl, and I'm not sharing a bed w/ any of you guys, so my wife wins that spot :) )

Jeez! No dyno #s? That sucks major balls. I was looking forward to something at least...is this the final word on this?

they don't want to put up any results because the dyno was reading so low it would be an too much of an embarrasment to all RX8 owners - we aren't the only ones who read these forums............ Just a hunch :eyetwitch

the Force is strong in Brettus

Nice try, Matlock.;)

over here we would say "Sherlock" not Matlock :lol:

@Jedi - Have you thought about doing another dyno somewhere else?
I'm half tempted to go dyno my car somewhere.
First run w/ the map that Jeff setup, then I would un-install the AP to put the Racing Beat Flash back on, then for the 3rd I'd flash back to Jeff's map.
I just don't know where to go for reliable dyno #'s.

Cesar: giving lots of thought to using the shop that did our dyno day last year. I need to see if he's available any time soon.

Cesar: giving lots of thought to using the shop that did our dyno day last year. I need to see if he's available any time soon.Give me some advanced notice if you are, I'd like to go too.

I'll let everyone know when the next dyno day is. We probably won't have as much run running a muck in the shop as we did at NeptuneSpeed but we'll hopefully have #'s that we can post.

but i like neptune speed, it was hilarious

I would argue that the dyno numbers are FAR less important than the opportunity to pick mine and Jeff's brains on any subject, bench-racing, dishing gossip, and having a marshmallow roast as well as the improved driveability of an MM tune.;)

Ray, of course it's far less important, but I couldn't make it because of my trip so it was all I was looking forward to :banghead:

Putting my emotional eggs into the wrong basket is just my luck.

Shesh, that was a lot of posts to read through. I have been intending to post sooner but had a So Cal Homebrew Festival to attend. Now I am finally sober enough to make sentances :Eyecrazy:

I find it a bit funny how the dyno must be screwed up because everyone got owned by an AT. Not to say that it is not possible it was having problems, but it seems that everyone is looking for a way to justify this not being possible.

First off, the numbers were 156, 160, 121. That means two of the pulls were higher than any non-FI car there. The next closest pull was 148 by Jedi on his best run. As Yoshi pointed out, on my last run the car was hotter than sh*t. I would also point out that several of the ATs and MTs had the same pattern where the last pull was significantly lower (also probablly due to overheating). The fact is, when the car gets hot, the HP goes down. That is the whole point behind a CAI.

I would attribute the HP difference to several things. The first one is that my car was the only '08 there. It is very possible that Mazda improved the performance on the engines due to all of the past complaints by owners. The second reason could very well be that the Mazda factory themselves performed the mods and tunes to my car (other than my rims). And last but not least would be that the car has 10k miles (so still tight) and was the first off the '08 production line so tolerances were probablly checked closely.

In any case, I think it is just AT envy. :banghead: Go return your MTs and get a better performing car :evil_laug

Shesh, that was a lot of posts to read through. I have been intending to post sooner but had a So Cal Homebrew Festival to attend. Now I am finally sober enough to make sentances :Eyecrazy:

I find it a bit funny how the dyno must be screwed up because everyone got owned by an AT. Not to say that it is not possible it was having problems, but it seems that everyone is looking for a way to justify this not being possible.

First off, the numbers were 156, 160, 121. That means two of the pulls were higher than any non-FI car there. The next closest pull was 148 by Jedi on his best run. As Yoshi pointed out, on my last run the car was hotter than sh*t. I would also point out that several of the ATs and MTs had the same pattern where the last pull was significantly lower (also probablly due to overheating). The fact is, when the car gets hot, the HP goes down. That is the whole point behind a CAI.

I would attribute the HP difference to several things. The first one is that my car was the only '08 there. It is very possible that Mazda improved the performance on the engines due to all of the past complaints by owners. The second reason could very well be that the Mazda factory themselves performed the mods and tunes to my car (other than my rims). And last but not least would be that the car has 10k miles (so still tight) and was the first off the '08 production line so tolerances were probablly checked closely.

In any case, I think it is just AT envy. :banghead: Go return your MTs and get a better performing car :evil_laug

I would have loved for the readings to be correct, it would have made my year.

lol no one was there to see my NA get 148, everyone only remembers jedi reaching that number =( oh well.

even though the numbers were wacky, everyone had a great time and it was well worth it in my opinion.

and i would never trade in my manual for an auto, manual is just too much fun =)

I would have loved for the readings to be correct, it would have made my year.

What makes you think they were not correct?

as a matter of fact, the AT was faster than all of us, it's true, I got 5 MTs to back it up

I am regretting my decision of getting an MT

me and some other people are waiting for the 2009 AT rx8s

it's the same engine as used in MT. If you want an AT, just get an accessport and set the redline to 7500 rpm. Now you're just as fast as they are. :P

What makes you think they were not correct?Because if the #'s were correct, the AT is faster than every MT that was there, including the Turbo'd ones.:uhh:
That also means that the fastest car there that day was Taj.:Eyecrazy:
Is that the kind of world you want to live in?:icon_no2:

lol the auto was getting the same horsepower as a supercharged 8 and turboed 8s and thinks its correct...hmm...lol...

so you're saying that a turboed 8 makes 160hp on that dyno when my nitrous made 170?

you have gotta be joking

yeah!!! and and and my 8 only made fire!!!

not anymore :(

Hey, since the guys were roasting "marshmallows" on a white car, doesn't that now make Tommy's car the Marshmallow Car?

haha my cars a blonde girl. =P

my 8 made everyone start coughing! =(

my car made 4 more hp than taj's, so that made me the winner that day~!!! yay

what the hell, this dyno is starting to sound real wierd............

why the hell r u turboed people making so crappy #s? did they get even crappier after the NA guys went?

what? huh? w3rd

and how the heck!! psychofox cant beat me!!! I refuse!!

*goes to put in 100shot jets* Ray! Pray i don't blow up!

I am the commissioner of blowing shit up around here... you don't get to blow an engine. It will cost you at least 3500 bux... which you might as well go turbo with !!!!!

^ I have 4k to blow!

enough to blow an engine, not enough to get a turbo!

shane, can i have permission to blow up my wedding? hahaha

Us here in the cold MW are having our own MM dyno tune day. Should be interesting to see what #'s we get though the main purpose is to get our cars dialed in and some installs by BHR. The dyno used is a Mustang Dynamometer Model MD-AWD-500.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=145472

uh oh.... the mustang dyno again....

I doubt it will be as archaic as Yoshiya-san's machine.

Yo Tommy, how much did you get on the dyno man?

^^ yeah, gotta see what I can get him to do about that. Software upgrade for X-mas here we come!!! ;)

lol the auto was getting the same horsepower as a supercharged 8 and turboed 8s and thinks its correct...hmm...lol...

Well, here is the thing ... There were cars that ran before, and cars that ran after mine. Their numbers all looked consistent, yet somehow the machine managed to throw inconsistent numbers right when the only '08 gets on it? Does that really sound likely to you?

I do think that it was reading very low across the board but it seems a little far fetched to me to think that it only read normal for a single car.

Even Taj's car was performing around the same level as the others on the runs w/o nitro.

It is easy to discount the readings just because you don't understand why, but that does not make them wrong. Proportionately the numbers all looked consistent with the modifications that were done to them except mine. I guess the next dyno day will either confirm or deny.

Don't hate ... Appreciate :grouphug:

Its a gearing thing.
Yoshiya-san didn't change the relative wheel speed to run time setting on the dyno when we put your car up.

^there's the answer.

i also thought it had to do with the AT tranny.

by chance, would it have made any difference to say that i noticed a lot of MT's doing their pulls in 4th gear instead of 3rd like the 6speed AT? and i know it's probably already been discussed about the dcs chip not being pulled right?

We did ALL of the pulls in 4th gear.
We tried one M/T car in third.

DCS chip?

i think he meant the fuse for the dsc..
mines was not turned off during my run.
some people think you have to pull the fuse
when you can just turn the critter off..

That was Jedi's car that was done in 3rd. It got 4 more HP.

I saw Konig get 148. His was the best until they chaged the map 3 times on Jedi's and then put it in 3rd.

so If tat dyno was off and you multiply by 1.5...

Blue Knight has 240 RWP. Don't think so.... But he can dream on.

We did ALL of the pulls in 4th gear.
We tried one M/T car in third.

DCS chip?

sorry - as screamn8 said i meant the dcs/abs fuse :banghead:

i understand we could simply push the button and it would suffice, i just read somewhere on here during my lurking that we are to pull the fuse. i'll see if i can bring it up to confirm.

When you find the "fuse-pulling" threads, you will also find my response.
Its not necessary.

^ I have 4k to blow!

enough to blow an engine, not enough to get a turbo!

seriously taj, where do you work? i want that job.

I work in the darkest pit of hell :D

taj is working on getting about 2 more k. lol

I think I have that sitting in between the cushions of my couch... LOL

so If tat dyno was off and you multiply by 1.5...


Where is this coming from? I am not sure that anyone knows how low the dyno was reading. We could pull any arbitrary number to multiply. I never made any claim of what the real HP readings "should" have been. My point is simply that they were consistent across the board.

In all honesty I don't really even care if my HP was higher or lower than anyone else. I am only interested in understanding the readings so that I know if I have improved my car (and by how much) when I make changes in the future. At the end of the day, who gives a rip if someone elses car performs differently other than to understand what changes will effect performance on your own car?

At the end of the day, who gives a rip if someone elses car performs differently ?

Me - I must be the only person :lol:

stfu brettus!! go hangout with the kiwi's and albatrosses Sheww!!!!

:D

btw, can someone loan me 1.5k?

lol @ Brettus

I liked the tag in someone else’s Sig ... the RX-8 is not the fastest car on the road, just the most fun. If having massive HP is the only goal, buy a Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster. 641 HP stock and you won't have reliability issues :ylsuper:

But seriously, what difference does it make if someone has more HP than you? The question is, do you like your car? If so, great. If not, change it or buy a new one.

Jeff, can you explain the relative wheel speed to run time setting? I understand torque and HP. What I don't understand is how the dyno's are configured. The load they exert on the car should be constant but the wheel size would change the ratio of the dyno wheel to the car wheel. The transmission does not make the reading more or less accurate. That in itself would be irrelevant since the RWHP is a function of how much load is applied to how fast the car's wheel can change the speed (acceleration). It does not matter what is in between the engine and the wheel as far as RWHP is concerned. Obviously it does matter for the transfer efficiency but that is a whole different topic (that MT guys like to focus on).

Oh, and for the numbers the Turbo guys were posting ... they are fairly meaningless. The Turbos rely on the air force which is not constant when changing speeds. On the dyno the air flow is only whatever the external fan is blowing at. That fan speed/air pressure is not changing at all. This means they are not getting the real effect of the turbo in comparison to what it would when the car is actually driving. I would expect that every turbo would have had low numbers simply based on that fact unless there were really strong fans blowing that would emulate the same volume of air as if they were driving.

For Phil's SC I would not think that to be the same. I would really love to know what his numbers were. Guess I should not have waited at the BBQ.

I'm considering doing yet ANOTHER DynoDay this summer and I'm curious to see who would be interested.

the Dyno will be at a different location and will cost roughly the same. (give or take a few bucks)

If there's enough interest I will pick a date and negotiate a price for us...

Jeff, can you explain the relative wheel speed to run time setting?

The dyno has to be set up to understand the effective gear ratio of the car being tested so that it knows the engine RPM from the drum speed.
It also is set to load the drums based on how long you want the run to be.
Since the dyno was expecting t lower gear ratio of a M/T 4th, it didn't load the drums as heavily fo the A/T 3rd and calculated the motor to be spinning way faster than it was.

Oh, and for the numbers the Turbo guys were posting ... they are fairly meaningless. The Turbos rely on the air force which is not constant when changing speeds. On the dyno the air flow is only whatever the external fan is blowing at. That fan speed/air pressure is not changing at all. This means they are not getting the real effect of the turbo in comparison to what it would when the car is actually driving. I would expect that every turbo would have had low numbers simply based on that fact unless there were really strong fans blowing that would emulate the same volume of air as if they were driving.


Air Force?
Huh? Turbos make their own air pressure. They don't care if the car is moving.

For Phil's SC I would not think that to be the same. I would really love to know what his numbers were. Guess I should not have waited at the BBQ.

the sc 8 did not get more hp then you, basically proof that your dyno sheet was off lol.

doesnt really matter either way haha

and i would be up for another dyno day

Yep, that certainly does sound likely. And Jeff's explanation makes sense.

I do think it is a bit strange that they would want to use the engine's RPM to calculate RWHP since it would be way more accurate and consistent to use the actual Dyno wheel RPM to calculate it.

And Jeff, air force is probablly a bad term for me to use. I have heard that the air pressure generated from the car movement has an additional effect on turbos and that you can alter the dyno read of a turboed car by increasing or decreasing the air flow generated infront of the car. I do not know if that is true or not but assumed that as a possible reason that the turbos could have performed lower.

Jedi, I would be up for another dyno. All I wanted it for in the first place was to have a baseline to compare mods to. If my last one was flawed then I basically dynoed last time for nothing :-(

I am down, if I can get more time with the tuner =). Otherwise, it really isn't worth it to me at this point.

I am down too

up and down and all around

hopefully by next dyno i have a turbo kitz

I have no problem making the trip.
I love you guys and SoCal is alright by me.

Might have to come up with a little per diem for me so I don't lose money on the deal, but I doubt it will be too painful since I drive out and I like shitty hotels!

we'll take care of you Jeff, I won't let you lose money on a deal, not on my watch. :)

And to be honest, if you want to come early, I will pay to have you hang out in my Garage for a little bit and shake down the car. I hear it is pretty hot in the AZ right now.... its a mild 86 in my garage right now.

never mind all this SoCal BS . NZ is where you want to come MM . I have a big garage (bigger than Slavearms) with central heating (i'll put a fan heater in the middle ) and a beautiful epoxy coated floor that is really comfortable to lie on . Waddayasay MM ?

never mind all this SoCal BS . NZ is where you want to come MM . I have a big garage (bigger than Slavearms) with central heating (i'll put a fan heater in the middle ) and a beautiful epoxy coated floor that is really comfortable to lie on . Waddayasay MM ?

I'm there!
Not sure what I can do for you and I'm not sure you want to sink $1400 USD just to send me on vacation.
But I'll go!

Maybe when you guys get your kit ready to go ... That would be a good deal for me :)

Ray...........help me sell the fidanza and exedy clutch

and I will buy your clutch and flywheel damn it T.T

(shouldn't have ordered it at that time, damn mee!!)

Well, I do have a complete kit sitting here, ready to go!

Probably not what you were hoping, though.

Well, I do have a complete kit sitting here, ready to go!

Probably not what you were hoping, though.

bret,

i think he has you cornered! :lol: ;)

and jeff, check pm. i need about 3 min of phone time. :)

beers :beer:

I am still interested in an AP if they add '08 support. Any chance of that happening before you come down?

I am still interested in an AP if they add '08 support. Any chance of that happening before you come down?

Almost none.
I don't expect the '08 support until I get a few other things I've asked for.
So, it might be a couple of months.

i will be there!! with no 8 though... will you guys flame me if i bring my little ricer honda? :eyetwitch

will you guys flame me if i bring my little ricer honda? :eyetwitch

Yes.

i will be there!! with no 8 though... will you guys flame me if i bring my little ricer honda? :eyetwitch

You have NOOOOO idea how bad the flaming will be. :FIREdevil

ill be there in the MS3. lol

TOmmy, if you don't show up with an 8 I'd wtfkill you

or maybe jsut your GF

idk, but hang on

large bills please taj. =X hahaha

The G8 will be there!