http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2484343#post2484343

got your car back yet?

Should be on the dyno next week and I believe Roland is coming down! You should call them Chris, might be easier to get update.

that is awesome news!

Should be on the dyno next week and I believe Roland is coming down! You should call them Chris, might be easier to get update.

ok so i saw vicki and roland looking for a truck......you must have dyno'd the car by now.....either that or this is the longest week in the history of all time....post the sheets please :) ...im sure we all wanna see the results of this long wait

No dyno yet, Chris.

no dyno??? ¿porque?

it takes time to dyno a car properly i guess

Roland will be picking it up in the next 2 weeks.

the count down begins...............

the count down begins...............

zero............................

where's my calculator!

:rollingla

Is there any legal action that can be taken to retrieve your car?

Hey guys I wanted to chime in and let you know the car is done, actually it's been done. After the dyno tune it's ready to ship!

good that the car is almost ready to ship.

bad that it should've shipped over a year ago at this point....:icon_no2:

i cant make up my mind about Mazsport... on one hand they offer great products and services. and i fully understand backorders for new products like the midpipe etc.

on the other hand, releasing products without ALL the information i.e. coils

and the fact that stories like this are ALL too common.... ANY business no matter how good will run into issues like this at some point, but it seems there is CONSTANTLY a forum member who is having issues over MONTHS of waiting.

... just makes me feel shady about them. i dont think i could ever hand my car over to them. their products on the other hand, with enough research, sure.

i agree paul.....so i guess we will see if roland and vicki finally get the car...i would love to see it for rotorjam and im sure all the others in the northeast are interested as well.....

i agree paul.....so i guess we will see if roland and vicki finally get the car...i would love to see it for rotorjam and im sure all the others in the northeast are interested as well.....

thats prolly not gonna happen chris....it will take a week(or close to it) to get up here if traveling by enclosed commericial trailer....AND...it hasnt been dynoed yet....

oh wait....let me get my slide rule :Freak_ani

I went through this entire thread started 3 months ago looking for that one post saying the car's back and it's perfect and here are the pix and dyno and and...

fail :icon_no2:

Hope you get it soon....

i would check back in another week and 5 days and then you might get an answer.......but then again i dunno

Good luck getting the car back. :-\

thanks kimmi
im hoping my bumper comes in tomorrow as well if so dropping bumper to kenny then going to wayne to pick up 8 and then dropping off to kenny

So i'll probably be there carless.....the bus will be my friend that evening so i may not stay long at all

hey Jeff...r u sure you have the right thread?

:)

hey Jeff...r u sure you have the right thread?

:)


nah that was my bad lol

But it would be nice to see the car back in working condition and dyno sheets to prove that this hard ache and pain suffering was worth it. How long has it been 1, 2 years?!?!?!?!

This is soooooooooooooooooooo unacceptable. Im sorry but this log for a finished product is straight BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:

Roland & Vicci God bless ya'll for the paitance i wouldve gone to jail for killing their children first and then killing them.....

I really hope you can make it to Rotor Jam and at least show off your investment....

Roland & Vicci God bless ya'll for the paitance i wouldve gone to jail for killing their children first and then killing them.....


Great contribution!

no problem lol

but on a serious note this whole situation is NUTTS. Seriously...i dont even know what kind of money they spent on what they are doing...not to mention car notes, insurance etc etc DUDE IT ADDS up.

Besides the monetary....i mean just the phycological stress it takes on a person...is mazsport gonna even gonna address that?

^^ I think 3 visits to a shrink of choice would be good for you....;)

i dont doubt it especially since i stopped going and stopped taking my prozak....lol

obviously that was an exagerated emotion expressed above. I dont wish their children death nor do i wish mazsport employees/owners death...

but imgaine being dicked that hard w/a spiked metal condom...over and over again wouldnt you feel the same way?

As of now i have yet see mazsport own up to their mistakes. it is straight lunacy. What kind of a business are you guys running?

And do you sincerely think your rep here on 8 blub is intact? Seriously?

So who ever took offence to my previous comments - I'm sorry - But why aren't you more concerned w/the customers who got ass raped for far too long? Dont you care about the integrity of your business? The good face of your company? Customer service? Better yet better morals when it comes to dealing w/peoples and promises you offer and fail short of even having a small penis?

Seriously -- GROW UP.

The part I don't get is WHY people like yourself are on here all indignant and pointing the finger.........when those of us that have bought/waited tend to be relatively silent.

Dunno........from my perspective, it has always been worth the wait for me, however long that has been

This does appear to be a much more involved case than normal......we probably will never know all that has transpired between both parties

i can assure you i have had lengthy discussions via pm, im and in person with one and some pm's through the other......i am being far from indignant and know that regardless of the situation the wait is unacceptable....there is no excuse

its simple when its people that is close and good people that get ass raped even if it is just a spectator voicing an opinion in reality it is the person who is getting ass raped saying it through an outter body experiance.

I agree there are always two sides to a story. But when other people get theyr stuff sooooooooooo much more quicker and then all of a sudden you see soooooooooo many more parts beign designed wouldnt it spark a light bulb as to hmmmmm.....maybe all that money was used for R&D and promises for dead lines to be maybe all BS?

I havent purchased from them. I may have been interested at one time. but seeing and reading the horror of what is going on to two seperate situation unrelated to eachother....makes you think wow MAZSPORT = CROOKS.

And its sad....cause if in deed their products are top notch A quality they certainly don't present that through their business practices. And people who sit there and defend them....well maybe there is more than meets the eye. People would wonder (and this has been voiced by several rx8club members -- new and old vets) "How much dick must one suck to get their purchases in a timely fashion?" So does anyone want to elaborate on it?

Seriously....

i ithink what is fair is that all the facts be layed out. both sides of the story. Have mazsports put the trueth from their side out in clear air.

Lets tie these loop holes. OR maybe when every one actually gets their stuff the TRUTH will be revealed...who knows....

The part I don't get is WHY people like yourself are on here all indignant and pointing the finger.........when those of us that have bought/waited tend to be relatively silent.

Dunno........from my perspective, it has always been worth the wait for me, however long that has been

This does appear to be a much more involved case than normal......we probably will never know all that has transpired between both parties

Are you serious?

Turbo: $13,000
Car Payments: $5446
2 Years Insurance: $724
Not having your car for 2 summers: Priceless

Worth the wait my ass. I'm pissed.

maybe everone who is waiting shouold post their original expected dates? Whatcha think? And maybe locations of where they are...I'm sure we'll find a pattern....just thinking out loud!?!?!?

and compare it to everyone who has been received it.....!?!?!?

Just trying to weed out the lies from the truth...

Just trying to weed out the lies from the truth...

Or stir up a bunch of crap :(

Are you serious?

Turbo: $13,000
Car Payments: $5446
2 Years Insurance: $724
Not having your car for 2 summers: Priceless

Worth the wait my ass. I'm pissed.

You have a right to be pissed...it's the not involved that should leave the complaining to you...........

its simple when its people that is close and good people that get ass raped even if it is just a spectator voicing an opinion in reality it is the person who is getting ass raped saying it through an outter body experiance.



So your saying that your friends are being ass raped and they can't speak up for themselves......and they are channeling that experience through you ???

I'm really confused ;)

come on guys, let's be real.....

we know what SHOULD happen, we also know based on what we read that everything was paid in full but let's cut the BS and be real here.

in this business, money talks so we all know how this goes..

if the business operates normally and accepts half or does full on the parts but waits for the completion to get service or some combination that leaves a signifcant balance to be paid on delivery, you bet your ass they'll push to deliver on time to get that rest of their dough.

if the business is adamant they want all your money and you GIVE them... if you dont stay vigilant, threaten to burn shit down or call every day and be on ppls ass u'll most likely get didly squat cuz guess wat, we all hav families and we all need to make ends meet so if something else comes in now to get shit done guess wat, ur gonna get pushed to the back of the garage cuz all ur money's been spent already.

so Mazsport may been at fault here but so have the owners, its YOUR car, its YOUR right to be dealt with in a timely fashion -- i spend that kinda dough you bet ur ass i got enuff for a plane ticket and a can a whoop ass.

my 2 cents...

i think Mazsport just has too much on their plate. They do so much business they cant keep up, so when they have a car that is paid for, and customers driving in/calling and asking to drive in/parts to make to ship out.....
they cant say no, why should they? they already have the other guys money and arent in a hurry to push his car out the door.

this is just an uneducated position, but from all the stories and other fair assumptions to be made from what is presented here, its a valid theory. they simply cant turn away business as much as they should/dont have the man power to do it all.

^Thats right...Too much to handle..Maybe they should get more employees and communicate to each other cause now Only Scott is working his a@@ off....

I ve alway-AAAAAALWAYS waited many months for mazsport parts but the quality is top everytime...Thats still a problem though..Cause now i wait for 3 more new parts and still no note for exact shipping date..

Anyhow having your car just for a bolt on kit installation for almost 2 years is totally unacceptable..

I mean i m installing my turbo kit 3 in around 10days with veeeeeery slow speed and with only one mechanic!!!!

^Thats right...Too much to handle..Maybe they should get more employees and communicate to each other cause now Only Scott is working his a@@ off....

I ve alway-AAAAAALWAYS waited many months for mazsport parts but the quality is top everytime...Thats still a problem though..Cause now i wait for 3 more new parts and still no note for exact shipping date..


yeah thats exactly what i'm thinking.

that said i also agree on their making TOP NOTCH parts.... the only issue i have in that arena is the releasing of coil dwell information, but everybody makes mistakes and i'm not judging on that one yet. they arent the cheapest or fastest around for parts, but the do make some good stuff!!

after I get my midpipe from them(if ever) I will never get anything from them again. period. for something like that.....how about keep them in stock and decide to release them once they are stocked?! have they ever heard of a pre-order thread so they know how many to make/stock? not like mazsport wouldn't know this would be a hot item for the 8 community anyways.

rain rain go away, come back another day

:rollingla

i don't get it.

hehe....its an inside joke...between me and the OP....
not meant to be complimentary :lol2:

10 days and counting......

I remember posting in this thread 4 months ago.. and yet.. still.. no car.

supposedly and rumor has it the car is done......im trying to get them to come to rotorjam too so they can show off the motor at least

Are you serious?

Turbo: $13,000
Car Payments: $5446
2 Years Insurance: $724
Not having your car for 2 summers: Priceless

Worth the wait my ass. I'm pissed.

:Eyecrazy: :uhh: :Eyecrazy: :uhh: :Eyecrazy:

Seems to me to be to LONG a time to wait for anything that you paid for. I would be a bit upset, to put it mildly, too.

Guys offcourse so much time is unacceptable..We ve already said that but remember Scott is by his own...Short of employees as far as i know..So dont get so much pressure on one person cause remember without him we would still talk about emanage and greddy turbo!!!!

Are you serious?

Turbo: $13,000
Car Payments: $5446
2 Years Insurance: $724
Not having your car for 2 summers: Priceless

Worth the wait my ass. I'm pissed.

i really wanna know who your insurance company is... thats not even half of a year for me... hell thats less than 2 months for me.. but most people im sure its less than a year! crazy...

i think mazsport is a little unbalanced. If you are having problems, making new parts, taking new orders, spending time elsewhere than your prior commitments is completely unacceptable. Unfortunately the people on here dont really care as long as its not their car. We cant just stop shopping through mazsport or stop going there for service. Although that would probably be the most effective way of helping the other people who have their cars their for 2 years and what not.

Guys offcourse so much time is unacceptable..We ve already said that but remember Scott is by his own...Short of employees as far as i know..So dont get so much pressure on one person cause remember without MAZDAMANIAC and others we would still talk about emanage and greddy turbo!!!!

fixed that one fer ya' :D:

i really wanna know who your insurance company is... thats not even half of a year for me... hell thats less than 2 months for me.. but most people im sure its less than a year! crazy...

i think mazsport is a little unbalanced. If you are having problems, making new parts, taking new orders, spending time elsewhere than your prior commitments is completely unacceptable. Unfortunately the people on here dont really care as long as its not their car. We cant just stop shopping through mazsport or stop going there for service. Although that would probably be the most effective way of helping the other people who have their cars their for 2 years and what not.

insurance might be cheaper if you don't drive it every day? I know here in Tx you can get "show car" insurance, it has some sort of mileage restriction or something but it's a lot cheaper than a regular policy :dunno:

nah PA is pretty cheap for car insurance....its not much more than that for my car too.....but every one is saying this takes time....sure i can appreciate that but not as much time as this took......and how on earth do you keep labor records on a project that takes this long to complete.....absurdity is what i say

In this case the customer decided to wait for the new version in exchange for no additional R&D costs Chris. I keep track of the new more expensive components, the extensive man hours of R&D and additional costs and hope it all works out in the end.

BTW the customer is scheduled to pickup his car next week!

scheduled???

i believe the customer is fed up and decided to pick up the car next week with or without dyno etc....

:icon_no2:

scheduled???

i believe the customer is fed up and decided to pick up the car next week with or without dyno etc....

:icon_no2:
I believe you should speak to Roland and he can bring you up to date! Do you have his # Pat? If not, call me and I will be happy to help you, Scott

pat i got his cell number and house number if you need it....saw him last sunday actually......let me know

i really wanna know who your insurance company is... thats not even half of a year for me... hell thats less than 2 months for me.. but most people im sure its less than a year! crazy...


My insurance company is Erie. The car is not driven 6 months, Nov-March.:)

In this case the customer decided to wait for the new version in exchange for no additional R&D costs Chris. I keep track of the new more expensive components, the extensive man hours of R&D and additional costs and hope it all works out in the end.

BTW the customer is scheduled to pickup his car next week!

We were not offered the new version until November, I believe, after the car had been there for six months.

scheduled???

i believe the customer is fed up and decided to pick up the car next week with or without dyno etc....

:icon_no2:

I believe you should speak to Roland and he can bring you up to date! Do you have his # Pat? If not, call me and I will be happy to help you, Scott


I scheduled the pickup. The car will be picked up on July 10th, with or without a dyno.

I believe you should speak to Roland and he can bring you up to date! Do you have his # Pat? If not, call me and I will be happy to help you, Scott

i have their #s Scott....we have been very good friends long before they decided to get your turbo....

that is why i have the correct info....

i have their #s Scott....we have been very good friends long before they decided to get your turbo....

that is why i have the correct info....

pwned

as best said by the owner........

wow, come on guys, lets keep it professional here. I dont see a reason to be bashing Scott on this level. Its one thing to be pissed. 12 months+++ is a long time to go without your pride and joy. But mazsports got a lot going on right now. This isnt the only car theyve had there, i agree vicki you should be upset and its good that you have now put them under a timeline. But my question is why didnt you say 5 months ago. Ok i want my car done by x date in contract. It seems to me like this is a case where "i want a custom job done, i want it different then the other kits out there, im willing to wait" then 5 months later your saying ok i dont want to wait hurry up and finsh it.


Ive been in the same situation *not with mazsport* it sucks. but in the long run everyone learns lessons. Scotts not a bad guy and definately not a crook, he just is a perfectionist and sometimes can spend too much time, and a lot of us dont like it.

I feel like scott took alot a time on this car for a reason, he knew you were going to be showing it, and he took great pride/time in making this the nicest install probably on the forum. IMO

good luck and cant wait to hear about what you think of it.

Nick

But my question is why didnt you say 5 months ago. Ok i want my car done by x date in contract. It seems to me like this is a case where "i want a custom job done, i want it different then the other kits out there, im willing to wait" then 5 months later your saying ok i dont want to wait hurry up and finsh it.


Let's not try and blame Vic and Roland. That's ridiculous. They have sunk huge amounts of time, money, and attention into the car. They have other shops involved doing highly custom work. The long and short of it is Mazsport is best at the ideas part of the business. They see issues and they love developing ways to fix them. They have developed high powered tubro kits, an efi controller, various small products to fix issues with stock equipment, a 5 speed conversion kit, etc etc all for the 8. This doesn't even count what they might be working on for other cars. That's a fantastic amount of work. What seems to be their weak point is logistics. They do not keep anything in stock. They run initial purchase waves like bulk buys getting cash in had to be able to purchase the components they need to deliver. They may be under capitalized and simply can't afford to hold a couple 10k turbo kits in stock. I know because I've bought one of their kits and communicated with them a number of times.

I know some of what was going on last summer to start the initial delays but it's not my story to tell. Personally, I would not have taken delivery of the car until I had all the components there to turn the car around. Had that happened, Vicki and Roland would have the exterior of their 8 finished before they shipped the car down and the T2 kit would have been a few months closer on the horizon.

I can't say this type of scenario is unique to Mazsport. I have seen it from a lot of small company shops with grandiose plans. On one side you have people who put a lot of time, effort, and thought into the cars they work on and love what they do. Sometimes, they need to bite the bullet and actually finish the car. For this car, that time was probably in December or shortly after the ignition upgrade was viable.

On the other hand, though, you have the almost-chop shops who will crank out your car in a week and you'll find stuff wrong with it for months. They just want your money and to get rid of you.

My suggestion for Mazsport, because I do love the ideas and solutions they come up with and I'd like to be a customer again some day, would be to hire someone who is not a car enthusiast - someone to watch the clock and organize. Launch your new products as bulk buys where you want to sell X units and the expectation of the group is that it will take a couple months to get product. Set agreed upon deadlines with people getting extensive work and provide them with thorough feedback at least once a week. When something happens to make a deadline impossible, set a new deadline negotiated with the customer. Lastly, remember that there is always something more to be done to a car so at some point you have to declare a job finished.

Enough said guys...They r taking their car finished so we shouldnt say anything more than good summer rides..

I m sure they ll be crazy when they ll drive it again so everything will be past and i know how they feel cause after 11months i m taking my car again from exterior-interior jobs and several times i was sooooo pissed that i could "kill" but no1 cant predict how much time they need for a custom job they ll do for a first time...

6/28 was 10 days ago.....did you dyno the car yet?.....

2 more days til pick up

YAH!!!

Yeah, and I bet this is the best looking turbo kit on any RX8.

Yeah, and I bet this is the best looking turbo kit on any RX8.

i am anxious to see what it looks like, see what all this waiting was about...

I have pics of maxxdamigz that i got last night...so far he is the only one in the north east with this kit and running......sort of...needed a tune

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=121615&page=142

there is the link

I have pics of maxxdamigz that i got last night...so far he is the only one in the north east with this kit and running......sort of...needed a tune

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=121615&page=142

there is the link

correct me if im wrong, thats not a stage II??? or is it???

and im sure thats not what vickis car will look like...

its not the same stage as vicki's car...but it is the only mazsport up here....so yes you are correct

yeah.....im hopin vic's car will have a little more bling... :rofl:

Vicki's car should look a lot more like Blue Monster's 8 did when he posted shots last year (probably in the mazsport t2 thread in the mazsport forum). I have a very low bling approach to car building. However, should I put in a little work, I can still put my plastic covers back in the engine bay (the air box and battery cover would go in if I cut out the walls and mounted them to something). My car (I got it back Saturday) is running on a slightly tuned base map so that I can drive it around safely and get it ready for RotorJam. Post RotorJam, I'll be shopping on Dynotime. For the time being, other than bringing it to meets/shows, the car will sit in my mom's driveway. I'm sure she'll be thrilled about that but it's her own fault for living in a convenient location I say.

i am anxious to see what it looks like, see what all this waiting was about...

I'll bet it looks a lot like THIS (http://www.mazsport.net/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=15)

I'll bet it looks a lot like THIS (http://www.mazsport.net/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=15)

ok ok, that was a stupid comment... :squint:

I'll bet it looks a lot like THIS (http://www.mazsport.net/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=15)

for what they paid, it better look a lot better than that...

no dyno yet?

im told elvis left wilkes barre at 7am this morning

that dyno should be ready soon then i guess......

pickup was set up for tomorrow by vicki...

its tomorrow.....think it will be up here for sunday?

He talked to Scott last night. The dyno hit 380 from what I understand. And then it broke again.

We are hopinng and wanting to make our way to Island on Sunday, the car will be on a trailer, tho!

Elvis should be sighted at Mazsport sometime this afternoon!

PS...the air conditioning in his truck doesn't work!:FIREdevil

i so can not wait to see you guys there!......and its a shame that ofcourse there was a broken dyno involved.....as for the dyno hitting 380 at this point only way i would believe them was if it was on video....

i so can not wait to see you guys there!......and its a shame that ofcourse there was a broken dyno involved.....as for the dyno hitting 380 at this point only way i would believe them was if it was on video....

whats that expression Chris?

"without pics, it didnt happen"

or something like that?

He talked to Scott last night. The dyno hit 380 from what I understand. And then it broke again.


It broke again? What broke this time and what has broken before? Just trying to get an idea of when & what things are breaking. Thanks!

apparently there is only one dyno in the state of florida and every time this poor guy tries to take it there it breaks......its tough....

^:lol2: Thanks!

^:lol2: Thanks!

anytime!...glad to be of service :)

broken dyno > broken car.
You had me worried there for a sec..

^ My thoughts exactly!

broken dyno > broken car.
You had me worried there for a sec..

that's initially how I read it... if the car broke after all that effort and time to get it running correctly... that would just suck. I'd be ready to give up lol

I'm all moist with anticipation now. I want to see what all the bitching was about.

380 Whp??daaaaaaaamn

380 on a broken dyno.....i wonder if it was ever on a properly working one

Its the best period..I m sure they ll fall in love again...So just waitin for impressions...

380 on a broken dynojet is nothing to jump for joy about. Hopefully the owners can get her on a dyno soon to see what this thing puts down

Well wouldn't that be the highest powered Renesis on this site if those are the final numbers?

If by broken dyno that means it actually will dyno over 500whp then I think its badass.. if not *whomp whomp...**

The car should be here sometime tomorrow afternoon. (Then back to NY to the body shop on Monday!)

The dyno sheet is with it.

The car should be here sometime tomorrow afternoon. (Then back to NY to the body shop on Monday!)

The dyno sheet is with it.

so...is it safe to say that the car has left the shop?

so...is it safe to say that the car has left the shop?

Tis!:)

woo hoo! time to change your sig :)

tg....i feel sooo much relief (especially for you and roland)....it has been a long and arguous ordeal...

like the shackles have been removed...
tgam....she's free at last....


i am happy for you vic!!!

oh..btw....how much extra was it to have it there for over a year??
did you have to pay rent to the shop?

so how much more did it cost you beyond the what 15k you put down in advance?........please tell me it was negligable for all that down time

Well, it cost.....$4000 more. :eek:

WTF!!!!

im breathless!!!

i hope all of the mazport fanbois take heed!!!!

this is complete bullshit!!!

1. Mazport stage II turbo kit $13k
2. 13 months of car payments $5446
3. 2 years insurance $724
4. another $4k on delivery
5. getting screwed by Mazport - PRICELESS

now the only question will be if the ransome was worth it.....because i can assure you i know of some local shops that would have done it for less and have done the same kit i believe for less and in less time.....

You can have it fast, cheap, or done properly ....they are not going to happen at the same time.

Get your shop to step up and see what happens...

We have seen very little in RX-8 development despite quite a few very dramatic announcements..........

We know which camp a few of you are in.......

Play nice....

You can have it fast, cheap, or done properly ....they are not going to happen at the same time.

Get your shop to step up and see what happens...

We have seen very little in RX-8 development despite quite a few very dramatic announcements..........

We know which camp a few of you are in.......

Play nice....

camps dont have anything to do with this...its black and white here...you just must have blinders on

would you place nice if it was YOUR car..and you had to pay another 4k when
you picked it up because you opted for the ignition upgrade....
f...ck that shit

PS....IM NOT PLAYING!!

did roland at least get lube first?

it was prolly bone dry!!

:rollingla

hey Vic
why dont you tell Roland to stop off at EVO on the way home...
put it on a real dyno that will go to 850 whp...and let John tweak the tune

Nelson would love to help ya!!

1. Mazport stage II turbo kit $13k
2. 13 months of car payments $5446
3. 2 years insurance $724
4. another $4k on delivery
5. getting screwed by Mazport - PRICELESS

Wow, you could have bought Slavearm's Mazsport Type 1 turboed car for about the same total cost, and you'd have TWO RX-8s.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=150495

You definitely have my sympathy. If you're ever in Central Florida, I'll buy the drinks.

didnt his car blow up shortly after his install?

hey Vic
why dont you tell Roland to stop off at EVO on the way home...
put it on a real dyno that will go to 850 whp...and let John tweak the tune

Nelson would love to help ya!!

I think that would be a great idea. We just may have to plan a weekend for that!
~Nelson:naughty:

didnt his car blow up shortly after his install?

Yes, like me he started having issues shortly after installing the ignition upgrade.

Yes, like me he started having issues shortly after installing the ignition upgrade.

yes thats right...yours went too not too long ago huh? :uhh:

19k? wow.

WTF!!!!

im breathless!!!

i hope all of the mazport fanbois take heed!!!!

this is complete bullshit!!!

camps dont have anything to do with this...its black and white here...you just must have blinders on

would you place nice if it was YOUR car..and you had to pay another 4k when
you picked it up because you opted for the ignition upgrade....
f...ck that shit

PS....IM NOT PLAYING!!

I have read this thread several times, and to the observer not attached to this situation it is clear we have only 1 side of the story. And at that, we don't even have the customer's complete story.

There's zip that is black and white regarding an argument on an internet forum. Especially when the main participants are the ones that are friends with the customer.

I remember reading with interest a while back all your feedback on Pettit and their SC install. And how happy you were, etc...etc...etc...

Having been around rotary engines and this community for the past 11 years, the horror stories I could tell about Pettit would've made you think twice before ever shipping your car to them. But to that point, by now I honestly can't name a prominent rotary shop in North America that I haven't heard horror stories about. And after all of it, I'd still send my car to Mazsport or Pettit.

that's one expensive turbo.

Just a note about my car to set the record absolutely straight.... it did run great when I got the car back from FL. Scott tuned my car quite well, and it ran amazing on the Tank of FL91. I beat the living crap outta my car at 13lbs of boost no knock no ping nothing just pure 353hp of driving bliss.

When I started using CA fuel... that is when the issues showed up. I blew my car about 6 weeks after its return from FL. Was I pissed... yah... is it because of the ignition.... only if you consider the fact that my engine didn't blow out the spark above 330HP any more.

Was Scott's tune bad? Nope... it just wasn't the right tune for a car running on CA gas. I can prove that because, as I stated, I drove the hell out of that car on FL 91 octane and it ran GRRRRRREAT! GuitarJunkie used to say... you can run 11.8-12.1 just about anywhere else in the nation, but in CA you probably want to keep it closer to 11.1-11.3AFR. Scott actually did stick it about 11.5-11.8 which is a pretty conservative tune. The only issue I had was the transition into WOT when slamming on the GAS after shifting (heh heh car is pretty damn fast)

As pissed as I was when my engine blew... I had a hard time blaming Scott. Had it blown or had any issues at all right when I got it back, that would be one thing. But since I didn't have any issues UNTIL I starting having to use CA gas, it is hard to blame Scott or the IGN solution.

Also, I am not sure everyone who is posting here about there "terrible" experience is being completely open and honest about what all went down. There certainly seems to be a few details about what happened that have not been disclosed that might change the way things look a little bit. I will be the first to tell you that when I had my car there, they really lacked the ability to deliver a car in a period of time that one might expect. I was pretty pissed about the wait. I doubt the issue is as bad now as it was when I was dealing with them... as they have staffed up and seem to be a bit more responsive.

Long story short, don't use my car as an example to further your own motives, without disclosing everything. Because someone certainly did. Reread my dead renny thread again, and you will see I posted the same things there that I did here.

that's one expensive turbo.

yessir, this being a show car and all or whatever, I would have used that cash for paint/interior/suspension long before engine upgrades, shit, most of the shows I go to people don't even clean their engines much less pop the hood or show them off :lol: In any case, someone spent a shitload of money on something that took longer than expected, won't be the first time that happens or the last, if homedude got the car back, let's /thread and move on to the next great 8club dramafest...wherever that may be, and let this thing die already.
Me personally, I can't see what all the fuss is about, then again I've never had 15-20k laying around waiting to be spent on a turbo, because if I did, that fact alone would make me so f-in happy that even if the work did take a year I probably wouldn't even care.

I don't know the complete list of what Vic and Roland had done to their car but I know from my turbo project that the $17k price tag does not seem outlandish to me assuming the results are show quality. It's 10k for the kit right up front and at least 32 hours of labor in addition to that for just the kit install. Now, those two things don't add up to 17k (probably 4k short), but it could be a lot of things. A clutch/flywheel parts+install could be 1500. Did they get charged for the ignition solution or was that one of the free upgrades. The cannisters are a couple hundred bucks. Did they get charged for dyno time? I hope not as the dyno broke. Did they get gauges or gauge pod work to complement the kit? Starting with a stage 2 Mazsport kit, I could build a parts list and installation time that I would expect to pay $17k for. What I don't know is how much Vic and Roland had done. So the price should be balanced out. When it's all said and done, my turbo install (type 1) could probably be totalled out to $15k and I'm not building a show car.

Now, if they have an invoice for a t2 kit and just installation and were charged 7k labor despite the recommended installation time, that would be ridiculous (and that might be the case). I very much hope to see this car at rotorjam if it goes to see what 380 whp looks like. Mazsport isn't really actively participating in this thread so I don't see this reaching any sort of resolution.

At least people will have a somewhat complete idea of what can happen.

Its interesting how a small hand full of people try to taint a quality company... If I am not correct one of the major reasons the sc guys and girls were even able to take there cars home when they did was because of Mazsport.

Its very easy to talk trash about a company when you don't even know what there quality is like. I expect that some people will change there minds after they see the car in person. The detail, care, quality, and ingenuity that has gone into that car is beyond anything you guys have seen on an 8. I am not sure how much experience some of you have with performance companies but there are only a few that produce high quality products and Mazsport is among them.

I believe this thread was for Roland to vent on not everyone else to chime in on a company that they probably don't have any experience with. I have multiple products from them and I am more impressed with each one that I purchase.

Its interesting how a small hand full of people try to taint a quality company... If I am not correct one of the major reasons the sc guys and girls were even able to take there cars home when they did was because of Mazsport.

Its very easy to talk trash about a company when you don't even know what there quality is like. I expect that some people will change there minds after they see the car in person. The detail, care, quality, and ingenuity that has gone into that car is beyond anything you guys have seen on an 8. I am not sure how much experience some of you have with performance companies but there are only a few that produce high quality products and Mazsport is among them.

I believe this thread was for Roland to vent on not everyone else to chime in on a company that they probably don't have any experience with. I have multiple products from them and I am more impressed with each one that I purchase.

It's just that Pat is friends with them and feels their pain. Whether she's entitled to complain or not is her business. I don't think anyone is saying that Masport puts out low quality stuff, I think people are just griping about the constantly changing deadlines, and the increases in cost. The vast majority of us have had good experiences with their products (I have with their cooling fan mod, and the interceptor-x). The only person I've seen on here trying to taint the company's product image is the guy that said he blew his engine because of their ignition solution.

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someone pass the popcorn ...

no one is questioning the product...timeline and business ethics maybe....cost possibly.....

Always a petty pissing match around here. Too much drama.

With the dealings I've had with this company in the past week, I will Not be getting anything form them again :(

With the dealing I've had from them the past week, I'm definately going to order from them again. Less than one week from order to delivery...and I'm in Canada.

It's just that Pat is friends with them and feels their pain. Whether she's entitled to complain or not is her business. I don't think anyone is saying that Masport puts out low quality stuff, I think people are just griping about the constantly changing deadlines, and the increases in cost. The vast majority of us have had good experiences with their products (I have with their cooling fan mod, and the interceptor-x). The only person I've seen on here trying to taint the company's product image is the guy that said he blew his engine because of their ignition solution.

I think you should cool it Bastage. This is NOT your thread and you don't need to continue the whole Bastage vs. Mysql crap. If it flares up again from this post, it is your fault. I don't think people want to go to every thread and see Mysql did this or Bastage did that (or didn't do that or didn't do this). In any case, lets listen to the kid who is telling you what to do :) (and most everyone else I think is in agreement with me on this one!)

Everything else is interesting to read though :)

I think you should cool it Bastage. This is NOT your thread and you don't need to continue the whole Bastage vs. Mysql crap. If it flares up again from this post, it is your fault. I don't think people want to go to every thread and see Mysql did this or Bastage did that (or didn't do that or didn't do this). In any case, lets listen to the kid who is telling you what to do :) (and most everyone else I think is in agreement with me on this one!)

Everything else is interesting to read though :)

My comment was directed to whoneedspistons. I have no argument with mysql, but if there was an argument it would be pretty ironic...

My comment was directed to whoneedspistons. I have no argument with mysql, but if there was an argument it would be pretty ironic...

aside fom that whoneedspistons didnt even know who was really venting....its vicki not roland.....roland is jusanb on the forums.....i know the one side of the story thats for sure......the other side chooses to evade confrontation and always has slick excuses it seems to me.....not good when people are dropping heavy money on thier offerings

Its interesting how a small hand full of people try to taint a quality company... If I am not correct one of the major reasons the sc guys and girls were even able to take there cars home when they did was because of Mazsport.

Its very easy to talk trash about a company when you don't even know what there quality is like. I expect that some people will change there minds after they see the car in person. The detail, care, quality, and ingenuity that has gone into that car is beyond anything you guys have seen on an 8. I am not sure how much experience some of you have with performance companies but there are only a few that produce high quality products and Mazsport is among them.

I believe this thread was for Roland to vent on not everyone else to chime in on a company that they probably don't have any experience with. I have multiple products from them and I am more impressed with each one that I purchase.

My comment was directed to whoneedspistons. I have no argument with mysql, but if there was an argument it would be pretty ironic...

Umm...I don't see it here :dunno: Anyways, it was an inflammatory comment nonetheless.

I'm OK with us just moving on. I don't want to start anything either.

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so since mazsport stuff are of such high quality, and you wait 500000000000 billion trillion years for their stuff

I think it's best to buy their stuff used......or slightly used, or better yet, NIB but the guy sold his car before he received the stuff he ordered when his car was new....... I think Mazsport should extend their support to people who buy their products second hand, that way we would all make the economy go round :)

more people will be pushed to buy mazsport products, and they can rest assured that when they sell them second hand, 100+ people will wait to salvage their parts for about 1-2k off the MHSRP (Mazsport Holy Shit Retail Pricing) and that way in the end, more people will buy Mazsport stuff, especially the noobs :D

I'm OK with us just moving on. I don't want to start anything either.

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^ in order to be correct you must have 20,000 of this picture

I think you guys should understand how busy they're.

I had a problem with my fuel pump, Scott just pm me and offered to lend me the tool for the filler cap for free, no questions asked.

and there are so many people calling Scott everyday for products that's "totally" unrelated to Mazsport.

So just give them time.

i thought i would clear up some things because, as some have said...the whole story is not in this thread....and granted i am close with vicki (OP) and roland but that has afforded me some facts that have not been laid out in this thread because Vicki was kind enough not to get too nasty, and i held off posting for her
sake...

1. this is NOT about a Pettit vs Mazport complaint...just want everyone to know that because some think because i have a pettit blower, that im a fangirl of pettit and not of mazport..

2. this about a customer service issue (not product, so much - but much more could be revealed about that, but i will only do that if vicki gives me the ok)

3. the OP (and SO) kept quiet about this for the first 6 months for fear of recrimination...ie slowing of production etc or anything else that might happen since living in PA they could not just stop in and see the progress of the vehicle in FL...

4. originally Scott promised them the car would be done in 4-6 weeks...at that time their car was in ny in the midst of a custom body work job that was gonna cost upwards to 5k...widebody with custom paint...

5. scott requested that they have the car there on the 14th of may to allow for that 4-6 wk job (it was a scheduled appt)

6. they yanked the car (fenders off etc) out of the shop in ny and had it shipped to mazport..

7. the $13k payment was paid in advance of receipt of the car...(ive never heard of full payment up front on a job like that before)

8. to shorten the story a bit, needless to say, the car wasnt ready in 4-6 weeks
and updates where not given even when requested...emails werent responded in a timely manner...no pics forthcoming...just statements like "the car is staying cool in the air conditioned shop"

9. of course, he had the car for over 6 months when the ignition upgrade was LAUNCHED...and roland was asked if he wanted to WAIT for that...

10. that was nov/dec if im correct on that...so, now its July, over a year later, and they are just getting their car back...with an added 4k to the price tag...
total $17k..

11. it still has to go back to ny which its on its way, not sure how long that job will be, but they are without the car for 2 show seasons....and too me...no amount of money can subtract the pain of not having my car for 14 months...

this is just waaaay bad business in my eyes...and it doesnt even seem as though he did anything to make up for it.....if he wanted to make it right, he could have done something...this lack of customer service is what im referring too...
perhaps not charging him the 4k (whatever was done to add that to the mix)
would have been the right way to go...

if it were my business, i would want to do something to regain some confidence
within the rx8 community...as it stands, i think its done more harm than good...no matter what the product looks like or how much whp...

:)

.i know the one side of the story thats for sure......the other side chooses to evade confrontation and always has slick excuses it seems to me.....not good when people are dropping heavy money on their offerings


I would think that evasion and slick excuses are far from the truth...........

I would think that evasion and slick excuses are far from the truth...........

THAT I CAN TELL YOU IS "NOT FAR FROM THE TRUTH"


if you want, i'll make a list!! but only if its ok with the OP

I would think that evasion and slick excuses are far from the truth...........


then why does it take months to get to a dyno?.....cmon seriously?.....why does it take so long for one shop to put in a turbo and not another?......why not defend yourself in here when others are calling you out?......i hope roland got a full detail on the exhorbitant labor rates and an explanation of why 4-6 weeks turned into over 52 weeks....

As I have said before the delay was because of development work on the Type2 V2 kit. Roland and I had numerous lengthy conversations during this process giving him an insider view of what was going on. During those conversations a TON of information was shared between he and I that will remain behind the scenes due the confidential nature of the development process. It did take longer than expected, the customer did agree to be part of the development process and did receive a significant discount for this. I spoke with Roland an hour ago, he had a safe trip back BTW and has already taken Vicki for a ride.

Thanks for your time, Scott

then why does it take months to get to a dyno?.....cmon seriously?.....why does it take so long for one shop to put in a turbo and not another?......why not defend yourself in here when others are calling you out?......i hope roland got a full detail on the exhorbitant labor rates and an explanation of why 4-6 weeks turned into over 52 weeks....


It takes a certain amount of self control to not defend yourself when you're " being called out" as you call it...It's called professionalism and maturity...

As for the other.......Let's leave this for Roland to respond too...seems the "women" folks ;) can't let this go

the car is vicki's not roland's....so i think she might have a say.....and my questions were danced around not answered....dyno?....reason?.....delay?.....come on...im still not gonna let this go and im being professional and courteous...i have yet to say anything rude that wasnt factual...unless your calling me a woman?

Problem is your " facts" are based on one side of the equation!

And as to the other I'm not going to go there......Unless you start acting like one ;)

disclaimer....these last few posts contain stereotype portrayals not intended to defame or belittle women, just to point out that women tend to talk about there problems...... not necessarily trying to get a male to try and fix them. Men on the other hand tend to bring up problems to seek a solution

hahahahaha...way to change the subject!!!!!! Men rule...women talk...hahahaha...

JUST KIDDING!!!

Members - Don't forget this is a GoodGuy/BadGuy post - peoples' reputations are at stake here. Let's keep our posts factual and cut the hype.

.....and anyone who has never had dealings at all (taja?) can take their comments elsewhere.


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I had dealings with them before, and granted my ignition is mostly (well used to be) mazsport

I had dealings with Scott b4, to me he seems like a pretty cool guy.

and Im sure he already did what he can do to speed the process up asap,

If Scott just sit there and answer every single call looking for him, I dont think he will have any time to do anything else.

If he never answer calls and just concentrate on making things "happen" in the store, people will say Mazsport has no customer service. (yeah I know other ppl can answer questions too, but people looking for "scott", so only he can answer them)

Not to mention the OP agreed to be part of this process. Yeah sure it probably took way longer than expected, but its all part of the R&D.

Would any of you guys want Mazsport to just rush something out ? If thats the case any of you can go ahead and get the Greddy kit. No need to get Mazsport's kit.

Go ask companies like AMD that, is it easy to stay on schedule ?

If they have the car I would like to hear there opinions... I am sure that will clear the air.

nycgps... I completely agree with you. Mazsport seems like they would never turn out a poor quality product. Therefore you are always going to run into delays. R&D for the fastest renesis motor will always take some time.

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dang it, where's a good popcorn smiley when you need one? :lol:

i would love to see this new kit. i miss my rx8 =(

i saw the kit and i must admit it was nice....i will post pics soon in the rotorjam thread......i wouldnt say 19k and 14 month nice.......but what can you do

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=150783

Did he take anyone for a ride?

no the car has expired tags and i dont believe it was ready to be beaten on.........it did sound kinda groggy as you started it up and it ran......so thats a plus

Did this car get the transmission upgrade as well?? any clutch/flywheel mods

I think a list would be in order before the bashing gets too intense.

I'm sure it is all ceramic coated up the ying yang and the extra pretty install takes a lot more time

no trans

Ceramic coating takes a few hours. Usually you drop it off and when they have enough parts to justify starting up the oven, they do a big run. For allamerica down the road that happens every 1-2 days.

Much like a car dealer getting your windows tinted, or extended warranty, many steps in the process is farmed out to external sources. They just become the middleman.

Evolution, significant refinements to something that already worked very well. I discussed it with the owner on multiple occasions and he wanted ver. 2.0.Since when is keeping a car for 10 months and an unhappy customer "evolution"?

Obviously you have done custom fabrication and R&D...


It takes a good bit of time to make everything work up to its optimal potential... you cant just slap stuff on and call it a day. To get something to work propperly and correctly it takes time.

Since when is keeping a car for 10 months and an unhappy customer "evolution"?

The catch is, the customer did agreed to be part of the R&D.

if someone wants crap, go get Greddy.

yet again i agree with you

This thread has run it's course. EVERY company has customers at some point who are happy and who aren't. That's just the way it goes. I think we know who feels what way here. Closed.