What do you guys think of the new MAZDASPEED MIATA? Would you consider one? What kind of response will people have? Are they too late? Because it will be here shortly.......at least the current generation miata will go out with a bang!?!:p

i love it!

it'd be a serious alternative to any of the BMW roadsters (performance-wise, and then some, i'd hope).

If the 8 hadn't come out, I'd be waiting for the Mazdaspeed Miata, I think. I STILL want one, even with my 8.

It should be a hot car..... Im excited, but I hope they sell better than the MAZDASPEED PROTEGES

it might be kinda expensive. a spec'd out miata now costs ~26k, so the mazdaspeed probably'll cost around ~28k? that's enough for an rx-8 6mt w/ sport package :D

Originally posted by chinx
it might be kinda expensive.~28k?

i don't know how you can think that's expensive when it's twice as much for a BMW or Mercedes that's half the driver's car...

This is the car that my wife has been holding out for. But I've told her that we're getting me back into an RX-8 before we trade-up her Miata.

anyone got a pic of it?
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178 HP/166 torque
17 in Hart Racing Wheels- Toyo tires
IHI Turbo - 7.25 llbs of boost
Denso Intercooler
6 speed manual
Bosch LSD

No price set yet, states should be mid 20's (i find that hard to believe)

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=specials&loc_code=&content_code=03219091

Apparently it only comes in two colors: Titanium Grey or Velocity Red Mica. Looks like the "signature" RX-8 color won't be exclusive to the '8 for too much longer.

One word: S2000

wat, its gonna be competiton to the s2000? this car has no competition under 30k

The S2000 is $5000+ more expensive than the Mazdaspeed, if they stick with their mid $20k price range. That is a pretty big price difference when talking about twenty-thousand dollar cars.
But yes, they do seem very similar in performance, stlye, handling, etc.

anyone know what itll LOOK like?

i was thinking itd have more power though
damn that cars gunna be hot

edit:
ok, im an idiot, shouda clicked the link
but i was right, the car IS hot
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to answer your question... "are you considering one?"

Yes, in fact my deposit is already in :D

The world’s best selling two-seat roadster is making history…again! Mazda is proud to announce the new MAZDASPEED MX-5 Miata.

The all-new MAZDASPEED MX-5 Miata incorporates superior performance and pure unadulterated fun to create the ultimate fun-to-drive experience. Performance features include:

· Turbocharged & intercooled 178-hp, 1.8 liter engine
· MAZDASPEED sport-tuned & lowered suspension
· Bosch torque-sensing limited-slip differential
· Short-throw 6 speed manual overdrive gearbox
· 17-inch Racing Hart alloy wheels
· 6-speaker Bose audio system with in-dash 6 disc CD changer

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Just got a note from mazda about the new Miata.

Here are some numbers for us 8 owners to chew on

1.8 intervcooled, turbocharged
HP 178 @6000rpm
Torque 166 @4500rpm
Curb Weight 2529lbs

Doesn't that mean, well it sure sound like, they are now going to wamp us on the street AND at the track? And they are our own family!!

Check out full specs:

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/flash/upcoming/MXS/download/mazdaspeedMiataSpecs.pdf

I don't think the Miata will "womp" the 8... ever. I still think the 8 is the better car... and the 8's base engine still has more power than the Miata's with a turbo!

So, not so sure what you're talkin' bout... but thought I'd throw my opinion in there too.

Happy Holidays!!

Originally posted by PetersonPeleRx8
not so sure what you're talkin' bout... but thought I'd throw my opinion in there too.

Happy Holidays!!

Well, we are supposed to be 238HP 159ft-lbs torque. Most dyno tests give us 178 RWHP (some higher, some a little less). Thats about a 25% drivetrain loss. Others may say there never was 238 to begin with, but that's been beaten to death so let's not go there (at least here).

So given the weight difference, roughly 500 lbs, the Miata will have more torque, and only a little less RWHP, perhaps approx 146 (using 18% loss - I don't know what current Miata's diretrain % is).

Since it weighs less, acceleration could be very similar, at least til speed gets up there. I doubt the Miata will exceed the 8s top speed.

All I'm saying is that the new Miata might start getting some newfound respect from far more 'powerful' machines, not to mention the 8s out there! Congrats to the Miata and Mazda!! :)

Hopefully, the Miata engine and turbo have been designed with the aftermarket tuner crowd in mind.

http://www.roadster.mazda.co.jp/limited/turbo/img/concept_photo2.jpg

I'd really love to have it with the red/black interior they're showing on the JP site. Sweet looking car.

The "2004 TURBO MIATA 178hp 166 TORQUE" has been merged with this thread.

Just a side note to keep you guys from getting confused.:)

Originally posted by Red Devil
Hopefully, the Miata engine and turbo have been designed with the aftermarket tuner crowd in mind.

The Miata engine has always been pretty strong consider it was made for turbo charging. The old mazda 323 awd turbo was using the same engine.

I believe Flying Miata has a turbo kit for the current miata good for 290 some whp and 250 some lbs of torque. I would say it's a pretty solid motor.

Originally posted by cueball
The S2000 is $5000+ more expensive than the Mazdaspeed, if they stick with their mid $20k price range. That is a pretty big price difference when talking about twenty-thousand dollar cars.
But yes, they do seem very similar in performance, stlye, handling, etc.

You can get a used S2000 with 5000 miles for 27-8K. You can get a new one for 30K. A loaded Miata LS is probably around 26K. If you add the Mazdaspeed package, it'll be close to 30K. S2000 all the way.

I think they will price it just under S2000, otherwise there is no competition.

Do you guys think that a S2000 is going to handle as well as this Miata with an extreme suspension setup?
Let's not all be power freaks here. There are other things to keep in mind other than power.............
The Mazda Miata: "the most reliable sports car in the world"
and has just got the power boost it needed!

Miata = Overrated, slow and ugly. I just have a problem with those cars mainly because there are too many of them, the people who own them think they're fast, AND I HATE THAT ZOOM ZOOM KID!!! OHHHhhhhh lord that song pisses me off for some reason.

The Miata has no right to be called a sports car, I'd pay a few extra grand for my S2000 anyday of the week.

Edit : Oh, and the turbo version? 178 horsepower is sad, I'm pretty sure they're building the engine so it wont be able to handle much more then that. I have 200 more CCs in my S2000 minus a Turbo and it still is going to be faster stock for stock.

Sad.

Originally posted by Spin9k
Well, we are supposed to be 238HP 159ft-lbs torque. Most dyno tests give us 178 RWHP (some higher, some a little less). Thats about a 25% drivetrain loss. Others may say there never was 238 to begin with, but that's been beaten to death so let's not go there (at least here).



What do you mean others may say there never was 238 to begin with??? Did anybody else not get the letter from mazda stating that the horsepower was incorrect, its actually more around the ballpark of 210. Don't get me wrong, but a 25% loss in power through the drivetrain? Thats a pretty crappy Transmission and rear end. I'd rather take the less horsepower then take that kind of loss through the drivetrain because of future modifications.

Hate to upset you guys , however read this:

MAZDA MX-5 SE: JAPANS MAZDAS ROADSTER TURBO debuts here in australia as the MX-5 SE with a sticker price of around $46k.
Side by side with the now departed 149kw MX-5 SP, its cheaper by about 10grand - but it is 24kw less potent.

Here in Australia we already had an AUSSIE VERSION OF THE TURBO MX-5 WHICH IS STILL 24KW MORE POWER THAN THE ONE COMING FROM JAPAN , by the way the AUSSIE turbo MX-5 was under warranty and totally approved from mazda japan .

So this news to aussie mx-5 drivers is a step in the wrong direction.

michael

Originally posted by KooK
Miata = Overrated, slow and ugly. I just have a problem with those cars mainly because there are too many of them, the people who own them think they're fast, AND I HATE THAT ZOOM ZOOM KID!!! OHHHhhhhh lord that song pisses me off for some reason.

The Miata has no right to be called a sports car, I'd pay a few extra grand for my S2000 anyday of the week.

Edit : Oh, and the turbo version? 178 horsepower is sad, I'm pretty sure they're building the engine so it wont be able to handle much more then that. I have 200 more CCs in my S2000 minus a Turbo and it still is going to be faster stock for stock.

Sad.

The Miata is not a sports car? What universe are you living in?

If it were not for the Miata then there would probably not be many sports cars around now. The Miata brought the pure sports car back into the mainstream. A sports car does not have to be the fastest thing on the road. And yes, I have a Miata, I've had two in fact. I also had an S2000,an RX-7 Turbo, a 300ZX Twin Turbo, an Integra GS-R and others. My Miata was not the fastest car I have owned but it is definitely what I and most others consider a sports car. Open you mind a bit man. The RX-8 is a great car and so is the S2000 but there are plenty of other sports cars out there.

You are entitled to your opinion on the Miata of course but I don't think you will have a lot of people agreeing with it.

Kirk

Kook,

Miata not a SPORTSCAR? Take a powder. Is that what the Lotus guy will be telling you next year about your S2000?

I wouldn't pay close to 30K for a 178 hp car when I can get a faster, better looking, better engine, tranny, and overall better car in an S2000. Miatas are overpriced, plus they're for women.

Or this? I have to admit, I love the Rx8, but the Miata, nahhhh. Just my opinion...

Miata Madzaspeed

Even the interior is much better..

Boring

Originally posted by f1 tech
I wouldn't pay close to 30K for a 178 hp car when I can get a faster, better looking, better engine, tranny, and overall better car in an S2000. Miatas are overpriced, plus they're for women.

Oh geez, here we go again and you don't even have your S2000 anymore. Plus your "they're for women" comment really shows your intellect on this topic.

Good lord, when will this end?:(

Kirk

Originally posted by hondas2k
Oh geez, here we go again and you don't even have your S2000 anymore. Plus your "they're for women" comment really shows your intellect on this topic.

Good lord, when will this end?:(

Kirk

You're so sensitive....

:(

Originally posted by f1 tech
You're so sensitive....

:(

And you are such a troll about this topic:D

Kirk

Originally posted by KooK
Miata = Overrated, slow and ugly. I just have a problem with those cars mainly because there are too many of them, the people who own them think they're fast, AND I HATE THAT ZOOM ZOOM KID!!! OHHHhhhhh lord that song pisses me off for some reason.

The Miata has no right to be called a sports car, I'd pay a few extra grand for my S2000 anyday of the week.

Edit : Oh, and the turbo version? 178 horsepower is sad, I'm pretty sure they're building the engine so it wont be able to handle much more then that. I have 200 more CCs in my S2000 minus a Turbo and it still is going to be faster stock for stock.

Sad.

Obviously you don't know diddly about true sports cars. The S2000 is a very good sports car without doubt. In SCCA autocross, it runs in B Stock (where it has been beaten by at least one RX-8 in the houston Region that I'm aware of). The Miata runs in C Stock, but if you check out such things as the SCCA Valvoline Runoffs in Topeka (it will be on the Speed channel starting tomorrow), you'll see that the Miatas win almost everything and are faster in autocross than most, including the S2000 which is in a higher class. I've witnessed a 2000 Miata sport, completely trash a new S2000 in SCCA autocross this year. Drivers have much to do with it, but the Miata IS a great sports car in its own right. For the uninitiated, weight is the enemy and Mazda knows this both in the RX-8 and the Miata. While the RX-8 likely will run faster than the Mazdaspeed Miata, I won't be surprised to see the Miata on Kumos beat the 8 in autocross. As with the 8, the Miata will be 400lbs +/- less than an S2000 and will be competitive. I'm sure they will all be in B stock...the RX-8, Mazdaspeed Miata and the S2000. Oh, lets not forget the Toyota's MR2, also very competitive in C Stock, but will be no match for the turbo Miata...can't beat the non-turbo today. Mazdas ain't about straight line racing, but you have to know how to drive and I suspect you don't or you wouldn't post such tripe.

Your not paying for a "178 HP car" your paying for spirited handling and all-around performance handling..........
something that S2000 rice fans don't understand while they're racing eachother down main street stoplight to stoplight....
try taking that s2000 on a S curve somwhere in the boonies and see how much fun it is not being able to use all that power

The Miata is a bit over priced in my opinion. That's why most dealers offer $3-5K off of MSRP. I think the MS version will sell well since it's addresses the low power concern for many buyers.

Yes, the power is still 178 but it's a 2500 lb car. Personally, I would get a used one and put a supercharger for $3k to avoid higher insurance bill and keep the cost down. But then again, if a new car is what you want, it's an attractive package. It's nice to know that Mazda is taking more steps to make more power in its engines.

you can always add a boost controller and crank up the boost...

gunna be such a sick car, id take one over the stook any day, and thats not to put down the stook, which is a damn fine automobile.
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You can get a used S2000 with 5000 miles for 27-8K. You can get a new one for 30K.


Let's just stay focused on retail price comparisons (obviously hypothetically right now for the miata, but we can guess). You can get a slightly used miata for less than retail and can possibly talk dealerships down from retail as well, so these statements don't mean a whole lot in an objective sense.

Not to mention I've never really known honda dealerships to haggle on their prices much at all - you'd be pretty darn lucky to find a S2000 for $30k.

If I was in the convertible market, I would probably want to go with the S2000, but would probably settle with the miata as a pretty darn good consolation if it was in the 26-27k range.

What they should really do instead is bring the mx-5 coupe over to these shores :) That, or if Honda made some coupe incarnation of the S2000, would probably be very hard for me to resist. Of course, the 8 is technically in that buying category for me (light, rwd, coupe-ish enough) so I'll at least have something when I'm able to shop :)

"Mazdaspeed MX-5 Miata Gets 178 HP

Today (Dec, 30th) Mazda unveiled the Mazdaspeed MX-5 Miata at the Los Angeles Auto Show. It is the tenth new model for Mazda in 12 months. The Mazdaspeed Miata has 1500 different parts compared to the base version. Under the hood is the well-known 1.8-liter engine that got revised heads and the assistance of a turbocharger to generate 178 hp at 6000 rpm, up 25 percent from the normally aspirated Miata. New is the use of ball bearings instead of floating bearings for the turbo.

The turbo engine generates 166 lb-ft of torque at 4500 rpm (up 33 percent) and is teamed to a six-speed stick shift transmission. Furthermore this Miata has a different differential and a tuned suspension. The car has been lowered 7 mm and uses 17-inch wheels and high-performance Toyo tires.

A new front fascia, rear lid spoiler and a new diffuser mark the exterior. The two-tone cloth interior, a new instrument cluster and center stack are the most significant interior changes.
The Mazdaspeed Miata will go on sale in the spring and is priced at $25,500 with cloth interior and $26,200 with a leather interior. -Henny Hemmes
"

Great price if you ask me.

awesome price if you ask me
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so is that the only option available for the MS Miata? leather interior?

$25.5k for the kind of performance i expect from such a light car, it is a BARGAIN

kinda out-there question, but has anyone did some calculation on the power-weight ratio difference between a MS Miata and the upcoming Lotus Elise? Should be an interesting comparison...

Why are people comparing the damn s2000 with miata...
s2000 is 33 G's.
miata is 26 G's.. s2000 is overpriced... miata is perfectly priced....
Also.. i saw a turbo s2000... get smoked by a maxima... i dont know what it had under the hood... but at NOPI... hahaha... maxima was manual though... and s2000 had turbo in it... man it was so funny...

Originally posted by CMG13
Why are people comparing the damn s2000 with miata...
s2000 is 33 G's.
miata is 26 G's.. s2000 is overpriced... miata is perfectly priced....
Also.. i saw a turbo s2000... get smoked by a maxima... i dont know what it had under the hood... but at NOPI... hahaha... maxima was manual though... and s2000 had turbo in it... man it was so funny...

If you've driven one you would change your mind, the S2000 is worth the price. Remember S2000 and Miata is not about drag racing.

That will be a great price...but they plan to only build 4000 this year.

I got to drive it at MotorSport Ranch yesterday. Here is my quick write-up from the Miataforum.

I was at MotorSport Ranch yesterday and it was a blast! The Mazdapseed Miata is so much fun to drive and the extra power and other touches are, IMHO, exactly what the Miata has been needing. If I were in the market for a fun sporty convertible and did want to spend a bunch of money then this would be it.

When I first got there, I took a few "hot laps" with the professional drivers on the big track and man could these guys drive. They were flying around the corners at 90mph with ease. I then got to drive through a small autocross course and later got to drift around a slalom.

We then headed over to the big course and followed the pro driver around the track going faster and faster each time with the car behind the pro dropping back to the end after each lap. We didn't go nearly as fast as they did obvously but it was still way too much fun.

After that, I got to drive an S2000, BMW Z4, and MR2 Spyder through a small autox course and then we took a few laps each with the Mazdaspeed Miatas. The extra power, suspension changes, transmission, and tires and wheels all work really well together and really help to enhance what is already a great car.

I know there are those who are plenty happy with the stock Miata as well as those who want way more power than the Mazdaspeed has, but for everyone else the Mazdapseed should be what you are looking for.

Kirk